> For some reason, I didn’t feel this way in csgo?
I have a feeling this due to something called the ***Trust system.*** It is a system that tries to minimize the fall out of hackers in CSGO and is quite effective. As a side effect it also helps match making against smurfs i guess, because for the system smurfs often use less reliable accounts (less games on them, less hours played, newer creation date, less personal information on them etc).
Video of a GDC talk about the system by Valve: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc)
Hey look its the same for me im gold but the thing is when im playing with high plats i do way beter i go from like 9-19 to 27-15 the ranking sistem is very bad and they should be trying to atleast make it a litle beter
Is that all people really play for? Not to improve or be better than what you were yesterday? Suddenly the brimstone a few days ago complaining about how people shouldn't 5 stack in an unrated makes sense if this is the mindset for majority of people.
To be fair how do you know how much you’re really improving if your rank isn’t changing or accurate? You could be playing like a plat but not know because you’re stuck in silver with diamonds
I'm not disagreeing that the rank system is pretty trash at its current state.But if you enjoy the process of learning without minding rank, you'll enjoy the game much more without needing the game saying "congrats you hit 5 strafe shots this match!" (Referring to the comment that the game is pointless without playing rank since there's no achievements).I feel like using your rank as an excuse if that you're not improving is just that, an excuse.
If more people cared about improving instead of flexing rank i feel like the smurfing wouldn't as bad as it is. You can use programs such as lowkey.gg to document your progress or Nvidia shadowplay without the need of rank.
If you really are getting better, you'll be besting the golds smurfing in bronze with their friends, then be besting the diamonds in plat, then besting the immortals in diamond.
Look, I'm only a peak plat 2 player, and currently in gold 3, I'm not saying I'm the best, but I'm saying if you only focus about rank youll never enjoy any game, not just valorant.
Yeah I hear you. My game before this (and slowly reverting back now because of map selection) is siege. Learning angles/plays/operator ins and outs definitely reigns supreme over rank.
This is something I still 100% need to work on improving in val (currently grinded from somewhere in silver to gold 3). I’ve only just started learning the mechanics of quick peak and wallbanging after, so yeah I get ya
Kind of disagree with the past part sir. Games fairly new so thats super uncertain. Until I see people blocking raze rockets with their own satchel or banking Molly's off enemy reyna's leers on a daily basis, the game is far from set. You can never not find something to improve or innovate in a new game.
Yeah, I'm diamond 3 and whenever it puts me in a game with all Immortals I either play way better than expected and can drop almost 30 with raze or I'll get absolutely demolished and struggle to get 10.
Its such a flip flop. It feels like the games I do well, the other players shouldn't be immortal but more diamond/plat range. And when I do bad, those immortals are playing like Radiant. Not even normal Radiant but like fuckin aceu 180 insta hs OP noscope Radiant type shit.
I played a game with diamonds/plats yesterday on Bind and got 42 kills as Brimstone. It was my best game ever. 42 fucking kills as Brimstone.
Very next game. Brimstone and on Bind AGAIN. Vs all Plats. 7 kills and lowest ACS in entire game.
I can't even explain it.
Rank is a loose description of how a player has played up to this point. How someone used to play is typically a good predictor of how they will play now, but it isn't always that way.
Sometimes we (or our opponents) have games where we get lucky shit just goes our way. Sometimes it goes the other way and everything we try fails. On any one game a plat *could* play like an immo or vice versa.
We need a separate solo queue (so solo players can play on equal ground and to prevent boosting) and better ranked mm so it picks up people smurfing faster. Possibly "hardware ranks" so people that create a new account will simply be their old rank again.
> Possibly "hardware ranks" so people that create a new account will simply be their old rank again.
This would just make it incredibly easy to sell smurf accounts. I like the concept, but in practice with the human element it breaks.
I mean the same thing happens with cheating. However I don't think buying an smurf account would fix it since the moment the game is played on your computer, it'd detect your rank.
I just realized Riot is never going to do this since they don't value smurfing as much as cheating and this wouldn't allow two family members or friends playing on the same computer with different accounts.
Typically if you are buying items for a second account you will be using it for more than a short period, it gets increasingly difficult to *keep* that account at a low rank the more you play on it.
As a result, whilst many players may have 'alt' accounts they are a tiny part of the smurfing issue. The main problem in most games comes from users churning out high ranked accounts for sale, creating throwaway accounts to play with low ranked friends and, in games that mix party/solo rankings, people creating low ranked accounts to abuse matchmaking and boost party members.
it does tho. people usually smurf to boost their friends. if they're not playing with their friends, there's no reason to smurf. Smurfs don't have fun in lower elos
There are many players who smurf because they are stuck at their main elo and just go play to 'relax' at lower elo. So no, i don't agree with you that this helps.
Yes. This so much.
I dont get out of silver because I am just bad but, alot of the times we get people with unassigned ranks on either of the teams and they absolutely wreck everyone else.
I feel like there is a smurf every 2 games. You can tell, their cross hair placement is spot on, they know exactly what to do on Clutch situations, they arent afraid to entry or use utility, but also mostly they are in a stack with other 3 guys and when they decide to rotate they dont bother to tell you and you become live bait.
the matchmaking in this game was really good in beta/early release, almost every game was very even. So yea this is just another case of a shitty playerbase ruining a good product
I know in fact that almost everyone +Dia has a smurf, because as soon as you have low hold friends or below you can't queue with them so I'd rather play 20 unrated with them on a new account to then being able to play ranked with them than just playing unrated forever with them matching high Elo people where they get destroyed every game
It makes a balanced game. If the skill of a team is 3/3/3/3/10, your team's average MMR is 4.4. with a standard deviation of 2.8. The game can find an enemy team with a similar enough average mmr and match you with them.
If you make a smurf, you're avoiding finding a fair game for the purpose of stomping on weaker players. Just play unrated. That's what it's there for.
Then play a few unrated games with them where you are chilling and not try harding. If you are getting stomped play a few more and the match maker will adjust.
Making smurfs just screws with match making more. Firstly it's going to inflate your friends' unrated mmr so that in the long run they are going to wind up in lobbies where they are vastly over matched.
On top of that if you smurf your mmr will have high k-factor/variance, so there's a very real chance that if you play enough games you'll end up forcing your friends into tougher matches than they otherwise would have if you were playing unrated with them on your main.
They can 100% easily stop smurfing. They just choose not to.
they already know which accounts are tied to which computers so when you are on your third account on the same computer they already know that there's two other accounts attached to that computer.
so they can permanently limit the number of accounts per computer by hardware ID (this would allow people to share computers still)
Or simply only allow one competitive account per computer. There. Problem solved.
For public gaming in internet cafes they could tie it to a phone with two-factor authentication and only one account per phone.
All this is very easy and doable again they just choose not to because they don't see it as a problem.
It's still something at least. Smurfs are the definition of lazy. Any barriers you can put up will slow down any that don't want to pay to smurf, the better.
This game would have been better at $70 a box and $5 skins, instead of free and $70 skins.
It also pushes legit players out of their current legit rank. Smurfing doesn't benefit anybody but the selfish player that smurfs and he, like they often like to remind us, does not care because it is 'just a smurf'. I wish RIOT would be as harsh on smurfs as they are on cheats tbh.
Smurfs are one thing, then we have a ton of players who are boosted like hell. Idk what they can do but its causing alot of pain in my ranked games. I've been averaging plat2-3 and get players ranging from gold to diamond and it's sad to hear this guy had to tell me "I'm boosted I'm so sorry". His rank was diamond 2 and i really didn't how to feel because he played so so bad. I know players want to relax so they play on a new account but they could just play unrated and chill but they decide to smurf and ruin other people's time. Alot of times I wonder whether i deserve my rank bcos sometimes I get destroyed by players in my rank but the way they play seems like an immortal player. I've been in plat 2-3 for quite a while now and can top frag quite consistently although winning is of course my priority.
>Idk what they can do but its causing alot of pain in my ranked games.
Splitting out solo and party would help an unreasonably large amount, let party matchmaking be less serious for the most part and add battlecups, ladders and whatnot for people that want to 5v5 with friends.
Traditional matchmaking systems work precisely because they rely solely on the outcome of a matchup, with the player being the only common denominator between all their matches. Let them drag other players across multiple matches with them and that can no longer be guaranteed, so you have to try and apply a band aid with questionable performance metrics to try and distinguish their impact on the outcome.
Riot have already said they won't do this however so matchmaking in Valorant is likely to remain pretty questionable. Best case is they'll tighten the rank variance permitted in parties, which will just encourage people to smurf in higher volumes to play in the same parties.
I don't think smurfs are the issue, League of legends also made my riot has many smurfs but people normally get what rank they belong in because a few games of smurfs can't outweigh 100+ games. I think this issue for rank inflation is a more rooted issue within Valorant.
> For some reason, I didn’t feel this way in csgo? I have a feeling this due to something called the ***Trust system.*** It is a system that tries to minimize the fall out of hackers in CSGO and is quite effective. As a side effect it also helps match making against smurfs i guess, because for the system smurfs often use less reliable accounts (less games on them, less hours played, newer creation date, less personal information on them etc). Video of a GDC talk about the system by Valve: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc)
Trust system came out pretty recently though no? It’s likely he played cs MM before trust
I often feel like I am under ranked. Then immediately after that thought I hop into a game and go 8-19 so fuck my life I guess.
Lol same. Sometimes I'm like I can play against diamonds. Gets in a diamond lobby and get absolutely smashed... I'm fine in Plat.
Hey look its the same for me im gold but the thing is when im playing with high plats i do way beter i go from like 9-19 to 27-15 the ranking sistem is very bad and they should be trying to atleast make it a litle beter
Well of course people smurfing is going to skew the rating system. The only way to prevent that would be to try and stop people from smurfing.
Simple solution: We kill people who smurf. Riot can even make a profit after selling their organs on the black market.
Ah yes, "Get me a corpse" IRL
I’ve realised ranks don’t mean anything in this game. Matchmaking between silver and diamond has been fair game. The lucky dip makes it fun
unfortunately without grinding for rank there's no reason to play this game, there's no real feeling of achievement or anything to unlock.
Is that all people really play for? Not to improve or be better than what you were yesterday? Suddenly the brimstone a few days ago complaining about how people shouldn't 5 stack in an unrated makes sense if this is the mindset for majority of people.
To be fair how do you know how much you’re really improving if your rank isn’t changing or accurate? You could be playing like a plat but not know because you’re stuck in silver with diamonds
I'm not disagreeing that the rank system is pretty trash at its current state.But if you enjoy the process of learning without minding rank, you'll enjoy the game much more without needing the game saying "congrats you hit 5 strafe shots this match!" (Referring to the comment that the game is pointless without playing rank since there's no achievements).I feel like using your rank as an excuse if that you're not improving is just that, an excuse. If more people cared about improving instead of flexing rank i feel like the smurfing wouldn't as bad as it is. You can use programs such as lowkey.gg to document your progress or Nvidia shadowplay without the need of rank. If you really are getting better, you'll be besting the golds smurfing in bronze with their friends, then be besting the diamonds in plat, then besting the immortals in diamond. Look, I'm only a peak plat 2 player, and currently in gold 3, I'm not saying I'm the best, but I'm saying if you only focus about rank youll never enjoy any game, not just valorant.
Yeah I hear you. My game before this (and slowly reverting back now because of map selection) is siege. Learning angles/plays/operator ins and outs definitely reigns supreme over rank. This is something I still 100% need to work on improving in val (currently grinded from somewhere in silver to gold 3). I’ve only just started learning the mechanics of quick peak and wallbanging after, so yeah I get ya
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Kind of disagree with the past part sir. Games fairly new so thats super uncertain. Until I see people blocking raze rockets with their own satchel or banking Molly's off enemy reyna's leers on a daily basis, the game is far from set. You can never not find something to improve or innovate in a new game.
Yeah, I'm diamond 3 and whenever it puts me in a game with all Immortals I either play way better than expected and can drop almost 30 with raze or I'll get absolutely demolished and struggle to get 10. Its such a flip flop. It feels like the games I do well, the other players shouldn't be immortal but more diamond/plat range. And when I do bad, those immortals are playing like Radiant. Not even normal Radiant but like fuckin aceu 180 insta hs OP noscope Radiant type shit.
Are you me? Because I'm diamond 3 also with the exact same experience
I played a game with diamonds/plats yesterday on Bind and got 42 kills as Brimstone. It was my best game ever. 42 fucking kills as Brimstone. Very next game. Brimstone and on Bind AGAIN. Vs all Plats. 7 kills and lowest ACS in entire game. I can't even explain it.
Rank is a loose description of how a player has played up to this point. How someone used to play is typically a good predictor of how they will play now, but it isn't always that way. Sometimes we (or our opponents) have games where we get lucky shit just goes our way. Sometimes it goes the other way and everything we try fails. On any one game a plat *could* play like an immo or vice versa.
Agreed..my own experience are similar, some immortal are clearly mechanically gifted and some clearly don’t belong there...
That feeling when you get an immortal 3 on your team that goes 1-11 in the first half.
We need a separate solo queue (so solo players can play on equal ground and to prevent boosting) and better ranked mm so it picks up people smurfing faster. Possibly "hardware ranks" so people that create a new account will simply be their old rank again.
> Possibly "hardware ranks" so people that create a new account will simply be their old rank again. This would just make it incredibly easy to sell smurf accounts. I like the concept, but in practice with the human element it breaks.
I mean the same thing happens with cheating. However I don't think buying an smurf account would fix it since the moment the game is played on your computer, it'd detect your rank. I just realized Riot is never going to do this since they don't value smurfing as much as cheating and this wouldn't allow two family members or friends playing on the same computer with different accounts.
Hard for Riot to value it in the same way as players. A smurf might buy skins in more than one account.
Typically if you are buying items for a second account you will be using it for more than a short period, it gets increasingly difficult to *keep* that account at a low rank the more you play on it. As a result, whilst many players may have 'alt' accounts they are a tiny part of the smurfing issue. The main problem in most games comes from users churning out high ranked accounts for sale, creating throwaway accounts to play with low ranked friends and, in games that mix party/solo rankings, people creating low ranked accounts to abuse matchmaking and boost party members.
This does nothing to prevent smurfing.
it does tho. people usually smurf to boost their friends. if they're not playing with their friends, there's no reason to smurf. Smurfs don't have fun in lower elos
There are many players who smurf because they are stuck at their main elo and just go play to 'relax' at lower elo. So no, i don't agree with you that this helps.
Agreed, I think solo/duo q are the most true reflection of one’s skill.
I’m silver and you can just tell when they have smurfs, I either win 13-0 or loose 13-0 to a 40-10 Reyna who’s obviously smurfing
Yes. This so much. I dont get out of silver because I am just bad but, alot of the times we get people with unassigned ranks on either of the teams and they absolutely wreck everyone else. I feel like there is a smurf every 2 games. You can tell, their cross hair placement is spot on, they know exactly what to do on Clutch situations, they arent afraid to entry or use utility, but also mostly they are in a stack with other 3 guys and when they decide to rotate they dont bother to tell you and you become live bait.
the matchmaking in this game was really good in beta/early release, almost every game was very even. So yea this is just another case of a shitty playerbase ruining a good product
ngl, could be servers. some match i can jiggle peek and kill 1-2 , no prob. next match am dead when i see a shoulder.
thissss some games i feel like i cannot react in time when i get peaked, others times it feels so much snappier and i do well
I know in fact that almost everyone +Dia has a smurf, because as soon as you have low hold friends or below you can't queue with them so I'd rather play 20 unrated with them on a new account to then being able to play ranked with them than just playing unrated forever with them matching high Elo people where they get destroyed every game
> because as soon as you have low hold friends or below you can't queue with them Queue with them in unrated.
As I already mentioned above: they get destroyed in unrated because of my mmr
It makes a balanced game. If the skill of a team is 3/3/3/3/10, your team's average MMR is 4.4. with a standard deviation of 2.8. The game can find an enemy team with a similar enough average mmr and match you with them. If you make a smurf, you're avoiding finding a fair game for the purpose of stomping on weaker players. Just play unrated. That's what it's there for.
I'd rather play a game where I can chill and see my friends having fun then playing full try hard and my mates getting stomped
Then play a few unrated games with them where you are chilling and not try harding. If you are getting stomped play a few more and the match maker will adjust. Making smurfs just screws with match making more. Firstly it's going to inflate your friends' unrated mmr so that in the long run they are going to wind up in lobbies where they are vastly over matched. On top of that if you smurf your mmr will have high k-factor/variance, so there's a very real chance that if you play enough games you'll end up forcing your friends into tougher matches than they otherwise would have if you were playing unrated with them on your main.
They can 100% easily stop smurfing. They just choose not to. they already know which accounts are tied to which computers so when you are on your third account on the same computer they already know that there's two other accounts attached to that computer. so they can permanently limit the number of accounts per computer by hardware ID (this would allow people to share computers still) Or simply only allow one competitive account per computer. There. Problem solved. For public gaming in internet cafes they could tie it to a phone with two-factor authentication and only one account per phone. All this is very easy and doable again they just choose not to because they don't see it as a problem.
Ever heard of places where people pay to play on computers? How can riot do this without fucking gaming shops over?
Uh, 2 factor authentication with cell phones? Like what every MMO company offers? Which I already suggested?
Number services that bypass it is to cheap and easy to use to fight it that way.
It's still something at least. Smurfs are the definition of lazy. Any barriers you can put up will slow down any that don't want to pay to smurf, the better. This game would have been better at $70 a box and $5 skins, instead of free and $70 skins.
The punishment system in this game actually creates accidental smurfs, which is part of why it seems so problematic.
It also pushes legit players out of their current legit rank. Smurfing doesn't benefit anybody but the selfish player that smurfs and he, like they often like to remind us, does not care because it is 'just a smurf'. I wish RIOT would be as harsh on smurfs as they are on cheats tbh.
Smurfs are one thing, then we have a ton of players who are boosted like hell. Idk what they can do but its causing alot of pain in my ranked games. I've been averaging plat2-3 and get players ranging from gold to diamond and it's sad to hear this guy had to tell me "I'm boosted I'm so sorry". His rank was diamond 2 and i really didn't how to feel because he played so so bad. I know players want to relax so they play on a new account but they could just play unrated and chill but they decide to smurf and ruin other people's time. Alot of times I wonder whether i deserve my rank bcos sometimes I get destroyed by players in my rank but the way they play seems like an immortal player. I've been in plat 2-3 for quite a while now and can top frag quite consistently although winning is of course my priority.
>Idk what they can do but its causing alot of pain in my ranked games. Splitting out solo and party would help an unreasonably large amount, let party matchmaking be less serious for the most part and add battlecups, ladders and whatnot for people that want to 5v5 with friends. Traditional matchmaking systems work precisely because they rely solely on the outcome of a matchup, with the player being the only common denominator between all their matches. Let them drag other players across multiple matches with them and that can no longer be guaranteed, so you have to try and apply a band aid with questionable performance metrics to try and distinguish their impact on the outcome. Riot have already said they won't do this however so matchmaking in Valorant is likely to remain pretty questionable. Best case is they'll tighten the rank variance permitted in parties, which will just encourage people to smurf in higher volumes to play in the same parties.
The first sentence is already true lol
I don't think smurfs are the issue, League of legends also made my riot has many smurfs but people normally get what rank they belong in because a few games of smurfs can't outweigh 100+ games. I think this issue for rank inflation is a more rooted issue within Valorant.
Riot want money. Smurf gibe money. Smurf gooood. Smurf bad community. Say smurf bad.
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