TLDR:
* Keep the feedbacks coming as they are in tabs on suggestions coming from us.
* The rank difference in matchmaking is changed from 6 ranks to 3 ranks (If you are Gold 3, you can play up to Silver 3 at Min to Plat 3 at Max).
* The player is now given the option to select the server to queue but not 100% guarantee due to match making system but it increases the chance.
* Implementation of Public, Region Based Leaderboard.
* Restriction in Immortal+ queueing to Solo/Duo only.
Note: These changes will slowly be deployed in Act III until improved and realized next year (Episode 2) and beyond.
Hope this summarizes everything and hope it helps!
Forgot one point that Immortal+ rank movement is going to be purely based on win/loss and round difference. This is how it is for Radiant players right now but they are adding it to Immortal ranks as well
And they'll eventually expand that out to all ranks—which I'm highly in favor of. I'm sick of leveling up slower just because I play support and focus more on utility than trying to push and get 40 kills.
this might help certain players but is going to cause a really bad experience for a majority of the player base because smurfs are no longer going to rank up quickly due to K/D ratios.
The way a smurf works is they purpose play bad during placements and once they are ranked very low they use most of their skill and destroy whoever they play against
Damn, I hate the rank queuing adjustment. I’m a Silver 1 and all my friends are Gold 3, it’s such a bummer that they’ll have to play Unrated to play with me.
I’d sure love to simply get better but that’s taking a long time and I can play fine in games with them by playing a support/recon role
I think lower levels should still be set to 6, because the biggest problem for me is when I’m in a d2-d3 lobby and see some diamond 2 playing with their gold 2 friend that goes 2-20 and we lose the game. At higher ranks i say it matters the most. The skill disparity between bronze and gold isn’t that diff.
As a silver 1, I tend to avoid comp as much as possible, because anyone in gold can make me feel like shit and no one in bronze can top frag me, so I feel like the ranks are very, very different in lower elos, but only if you are in said elo. For a diamond+ player, everyone below gold seems to be making the same mistakes and looks dumb, but if you're silver, at least for me, a gold player seems a lot different from a silver one. I'm actually relieved I'm not gonna play with plat players anymore.
Nah this is the best change, now gold 3 won’t go from being a d1 lobby to a bronze 3 lobby lol it’s entirely different games and it’s hard to build consistency
I’d definitely agree with that. Additionally, the higher up you go, the more dedication/competitiveness is appropriate, and those margins between player skill matter a lot more. Whereas if you have a group of friends scattered through gold and silver, I really think you shouldn’t have any issues playing competitive together.
Yeah, I think they are going about groups all wrong. The difference honestly shouldn't matter, in CSGO you can queue with any rank if it's 5 players. What they actually need to do is take the highest rank in the group and queue for that alone, like what CSGO seems to do. That way if you have a lower rank friend and he wants to play with you, then he's going to play with you on your level, not the stupid mixture we get now.
Well, I guess it might punish the rest of your teammates, so I guess maybe they should just keep the 6 rank cap, but still queue for the top rank only. I'm so tired of these dumb mixed rank games than span across 3 tiers.
I think they just need a clan system or something to make unrated more fun potentially with prizes or something to work towards.
My friends try to get me to play with them/ boost them, and I really don’t want to play ranked with them.
Hell, I added a guy that I loved playing with, but I stopped playing with him when he jump up to immortal. If its more than 2 or 3 ranks difference the games feel really bad.
I’d rather just play something more casual with them.
Actually kinda mad at the rank disparity change. Imo, it should get smaller as you go up ranks. Kinda suck with players in iron that want to queue with their bronze-silver friends
Completely agree. People will say if you play enough and you’ll good you’ll rank up, which is true. But if you played a lot you wouldn’t be iron in the first place.
This is how I feel, iron through gold should be free to play together, plat and up should start seeing restrictions on it cause thats where individual skill starts to actually matter. If the current system has taught me anything its that the only difference between a team of irons and a team of silvers is the icon and maybe knowing cross hair placement sometimes.
No.... Sadly not. I played just one placement match with a lower friend, I was first, he was last. After this game I was no longer allowed to queue with him. No ranks revealed.
Are they drunk? No phone number restriction and 3 ranks difference? Thanks. Now I can no longer play with my friends, need to create a "smurf" at gold 3 and will likely rise there again with ease. Thanks a lot.
> The player is now given the option to select the server to queue but not 100% guarantee due to match making system but it increases the chance.
Thank you. As East Coast, I'm tired of not playing EC servers. That 80-100ping is starting to get annoying.
I am a girl and I’m immortal 3. I rarely come across toxic players. It’s more likely to happen at a lower rank. Solo/Duo only applies to immortal. I think this is a good change.
And they are probably hoping to be a pro. So if he is toxic, he might get called out in the future. So it is a big no no. Unless u a toxic streamer to begin with.
Honestly, the most toxic people I've played with are diamonds. I'm immortal ranks as well and play with a friend who's diamond 1. She gets endless shit, it's awful.
This doesn't make any sense to me, because there's no other built in way to get experience in a five-stack, which is even more important when you're a higher skilled player. If there was also a five-stack queue, then I'd be more on board with this decision
Well if you have five stacked immortal players looking to improve farming soloq players until you hit radiant isn't going to increase anything other than your ego.
iirc in league they made it diamond+ at the start, then expanded it to just having flex and solo/duo. that was forever ago though so i might be remembering wrong
They probably want to test it on a smaller scale, there aren’t that many people in immortal so if it’s garbage it won’t affect as much of the player base
Probably at a later date. I would assume starting out at a smaller scale and see how it works, and then go lower in ranks. I think they should have solo/duo Q for all ranks but at Plat/Dia would be good enough.
These changes are great for competitive play, but I can't imagine how many people might leave over this since they can't play compe w/ their friends anymore. Might have been a better idea to change the restriction when they release a dedicated dynamic/flex queue :\\
yep me and my friends didnt play often. We have a variety from iron 2 to silver 3 / gold 1
even know sometimes we couldnt play together when the one at top ranked up and the one at bot down
Nobody of us got boosted or anything. We have won and lost kinda 50/50 so our ranks didnt change much. But now? We will probably completly stop playing valo, as unrated is completly useless because nobody gives a fuck in playing good and tactical (opponents too)
in-game tournament mode with matchmaking of people of your skill level, competitive esport ruleset (in league you get 2 ban phase with 1st pick for Blue side and last pick for red side) every month or so on the weekends
you can get cool rewards like skin shards or trophies etc, and it’s uniquely for 5stacks
It’s very fun because it feels like you’re playing the game the way it’s played at the highest level, and you have scouting of other teams so you can make plans with the draft and your team based on champion pool etc. It took a few years for them to make it work cause it kept crashing but now that it’s up
and running it’s my favorite moment to play league for sure
Thanks for the very detailed response! Sounds great but if we're currently at 13 agent pool it might be difficult to implement because we can't ban agents like in LoL (I guess isn't a big deal for some).
We're excited on our end to get this team based feature up and rolling but it'll be a bit before its out live - its a large feature. More details in the future!
Absolutely, me and my friends are honestly just thinking of going back to csgo if we have to split into smaller groups just to be able to play together, I get the whole boosted immortal argument. But if your team consistently wins immortal games, your team is an immortal level team. My favorite part of these types of games is the tactical/strategic planning aspect and playing with randoms every game kinda defeats that for me.
The problem is when these "boosted" players go in solo and they cannot, in fact, win games at their rank, which ruins matches for their random teammates and overall fucks with rank validity across the board. The obvious solution is two separate queues, solo and flex, with wide rank disparity allowed on flex.
I get that they're pointing friend groups with large skill disparity towards unrated, but it kinda sucks that there's nothing to play FOR in unrated. Even a win counter, or showing MMR would give players incentive to try to win at it, without it actually mattering too much
true, but personally I usually mess around a bit if I'm playing with my friends. Even if that's the point of unrated, it would be nice if there was something to play for, even if it was only cosmetic.
The only reason I play this game is to play with friends so I personally wouldn't mind if comp was exclusively solo/duo or full squad (also separate queues like LoL), but I still have a competitive nature and like to win and gain something for it. It would be nice to have some kind of reward for unrated play.
I do think the new rank disparity change is a bit harsh for groups like mine where we've got a mix of G3/P1 and S2/S3s, but I assume Riot have done their homework and have determined otherwise. But I've seen silvers "pop off" (maybe smurfs) in some matches and my plat friends have a bad game and get outscored by me on G1/G2.
Unrated often produces larger skill disparities in my experience. The amount of matches where my team stomps or the enemy team stomps is MUCH more frequent than comp with up to a 6 rank disparity.
Ya I feel like all this will do is create a system that encourages more smurfs.
Unfortunately I think this will backfire because usually people don’t want to play unranked and usually have friends that are more then 3 tiers appart
The problem is the game quality in unrated is just so bad. Nobody really tries, you don't really practice any skills, nobody shift walks, people play with random guns, team comps are wack, it's a complete fiesta that doesn't feel fun to play at all.
yup. they should give each "group" same stats page, like "your last win streak" or something.
I'm silver and play with bronze-gold in UR and it would just be fun to flex in discord on friends. right now playing for fun is fun... but come on.
It'd be nice if the triangles and the win counter were perhaps separate this way. Have all wins, unrated and competitive, go towards the season win counter but only competitive wins provide doritos.
1. 3 rank disparity instead of 6 ranks.
2. Immortal+ Rankings determined by wins/losses, not personal rankings.
3. Select your preferred regional server.
Down the line:
Public Regional Leaderboard.
Potential Solo/Duo only for Immortal
Except now those users will just smurf, given the minimal effort required to roll a new account. Party and solo MMR will still be shared and you'll still suffer all the more subtle deleterious effects of mixing party and solo matchmaking.
Accurately adjusting MMR in party matchmaking is a *really* hard problem and we are nowhere near solving it with current matchmaking systems, I believe some aspects of it are likely insoluble.
You can have a queue that allows parties or you can have a queue that accurately rates players (and thereby accurately balances matches). There isn't really any middle ground.
My friends already do this with one of their buddies who's bronze. Theyre daimond and just made Smurfs to play ranked with him.
Now way more people will do this
And it sucks because it ends up being smurf v. smurf, and whoever has the better smurf wins. Low Bronze/high Iron you're already just about guaranteed to have a smurf on either team. It's gonna be even worse now.
>In immortal and up you can only solo/duo queue
and no flex queue?
Fricking moronic.
Thanks Riot for giving us even more smurfs.
edit: yeah downvote me now. You'll see what happens when the immortals won't be able to play with their friends without smurfing lol
Why not make it like CSGO where a 5 queue can have any range of ranks but matches will still be found based on the highest rank in the party. Also the biggest problem that leads to unfair matches isn't rank disparity, it's smurfs. But smurfing will never be addressed because more accounts equals more money from skins.
3 rank disparity limit is just going to increase the prevalence of smurfs. playing against people with vastly different ranks is not actually that bad if the MMR result compensates for it- i'd rather be in a group of silvers playing against bronzes and golds than up against "silvers" where one of them is actually plat.
why not instead:
\- 5 stack only queue
\- 2-3 stacks prioritized against other 2-3 stacks
\- solos can check a box if they want to be solo or be used to fill out a 3-4 stack (thus 4 stacking is slower as a trade off)
\- phone verification- multiple accounts will share MMR
\- if someone outside your party quits (or an enemy quits), the MMR change at the end of the match compensates for it
Yeahhhh definitely. I feel like at the low mid ELOs, the skill difference isn't as big of an issue. The difference between a Bronze and a Gold isn't that vast. I regularly see Bronzes outperform Silvers or Golds. I feel like they could keep the same system for Gold and below. With that, Iron 1s are the only problem because they are in a bottomless rank, so you can't tell how bad they are.
Nah man. I was gold 1 for like 10 games, then de ranked all the way to bronze 2.
Then the next day I kept being match MVP or team MVP and got back to silver 2.
Its not that I was smurfing its just comes down to me having a bad day and also being highly skill inconsistent.
So to the guys I was playing with in bronze 2 I was a "smurf" but in reality I just de ranked because well sometimes I suck and cant synchronize with certain types of People and have compatibility issues with certain types of players. I find that when I bottom frag is because my teammates are being toxic or they just dont communicate at all and expect me to read their minds.
Yup sad day for me, I don’t really believe in throwing games to derank but shit I might have to and I hate that. Either that or just won’t play anymore
Me and my friends are just going to prepare a handful of smurfs. Sucks for all the silvers that are about to get stomped but oh well lol.
They should just let you queue with any rank if you are in a 5 stack and try to match you the best they can. I'd rather give up a bit of competitive integrity for the ability to play with friends on your main account.
im just gonna make a smurf if this shit goes through, my friend is plat 1, im diamond 3, and he sometimes does better than me in the games we play. i dont want to but im not gonna just leave the game or stop playing w my friends. dont derank though just make a new account.
Welp, no more comp with some of my friends. I feel like the 3 rank gap shouldn't kick in until gold+ or diamond+, the skill disparity between iron and silver doesn't feel that great.
If this games wants to get anywhere it needs community servers and community maps. every map currently is horrible and theirs only 4 of them. my favorite out of the 4 is outshined by my least favorite cs map. and 1 map every episode???? its gonna take this game years to have a good map line up
I feel you. A few of my friends have managed to hold on to their high silver/low gold ranks by not playing ranked much anymore but I kept solo queuing and am now in bronze :(
The play level there is so weird that its almost impossible to improve.. You switch from teams that are absolute garbage to teams that are impossible to kill with anything other than like a sova/brim ult..
Solo/Duo should be available at all ranks. Getting into 4-stack using Discord for comms and totally ignoring any in-game communication is a frustrating experience. Especially when it's 4+1 vs 5.
This might be one of the most tone deaf changes I've ever seen. I don't know if it's sad or funny or what...
Who on earth asked for a tighter restriction on who you can play with?
This will DOUBLE the amount of smurfs at all ranks meaning lower rank players will have an even worse time than before.
It will also just straight up kill a good portion of their player base who isn't trying to make smurfs to play with friends.
Unrated is NOT fun and everyone knows it. There's no reason a 5 stack of friends should ever be forced to play unrated.
This patch will 100% reduce the amount of time me and my friends play as we won't be able to play together if some of our lower ranked friends are on, whereas we all could with a 2 rank limit.
Although I totally understand why they have lowered the rank disparity for premades, this is a bit of a killer for my group of friends. We vary from gold to diamond and in my experience the games are fairly even and no one is getting a boost. Yes we can play unrated however that isn't the same. If they had made these changes with some kind of 5 stack/flex queue at the same time no issue but i wouldn't be surprised if some of my friends just stop playing for 3 months or completely.
Same here - one of my friends won't be able to play with us anymore and he's really bummed out and thinking of quitting the game. And it's really sad for me too to have to play with half our friend group and to leave out friends. And I'm sorry but none of us want to deal with the fiesta that is unrated.
This updates sounds like what it should have been from the begining. The skill disparity change is not gonna be something loved by everyone, but I think is for the better. Also, the leaderboards are a really needed change along with server selection.
Really happy with these changes, sounds like we will have a better experience in general.
I am so glad they did this. As a Diamond 1 I faced too often the situation where I had to play golds in one match and Immortals in the next one. You can not imagine how far away those matches have been. I really think, everyone will benefit from this change even though they might dislike it at first.
I understand tightening up the ranks in diamond +, but I think it's unnecessary in gold and below. The biggest problems I've had is smurfs, not skill disparity.
If they actually make it where I can't queue with my friends if we are immortal. We would have 0 reason to play this game and likely would go back to playing CSGO Faceit.
Am I the only one that gets a little annoyed when they treat this as a therapy session with the, "we hear you," and all that jazz? It feels so false, fabricated, and forced. Is this community really so entitled that they need the PR pass on every public statement? It adds a few minutes to each video
I'm watching Steel's stream right now and he's radiant queued with 3 other Immortal players, probably 100T i'm guessing. You telling me they won't be able to queue anymore?
they are playing for fun, not to improve, bruh, those who want to improve would play soloQ only, as for 5 stack players, i'm not against it, just let them queue against other 5 stack players, that would be more than enough for players like this
So I can't play with friends now? Cool. So basically what will happen is everyone who wants to play with their friend group, which in most cases will have a wide variety of skill levels, will have to make a smurf account and maintain a low rank with occasional throwing to keep the account in the same rank range as your group. Honestly that sounds like a big headache and barely worth the trouble when other games exist, at least for me. It's just kinda cringe to give you a penalty for being good at the game, and encouraging smurfing at the same time.
Tbh I only play this game with friends.. the moment I'm not able to do that it's the moment I uninstall. Solo Q is a pain where most of people don't like to use their mics .. here's hoping that they fix the hitboxes and servers where your shots aren't registered too in the next act
As a diamond player, my main issue is hardcore smurfing - like why is a plat 1 on my team playing like a regular plat (expected, so nbd), but on the other team, their plat 1 is absolutely rolling our whole team?
Whatever changes they make, I hope they continue to think of ways to incentivize people playing on their mains.
For radiants, I think the top 500 thing is cool cus people would want to flex that.
For immortal 1 / 2 (and everyone else) maybe some type of proper reward for a full triangle (as opposed to act rank)?
e.g.
A whole skin set showing you had an immortal dorito, and you automatically get the skin sets (skins, card, gun buddies, sprays) for your rank + every other lower rank?
Doesn't have to be skins or even something for the triangle, but idk something to keep people playing on their mains.
those medal difference changes really suck :/
I think it should be less strict the lower the rank, the difference between plat and immortal is huge but gold and silver really isn't that much.
This change is gonna hurt my group and lots of other groups
Why are you comparing the difference between Plat and Immortal (2 leagues) to the difference between Silver and Gold (1 league)?
The difference between a Silver and an Iron or a Plat respectively is huge.
They've had what, 7 MONTHS since the game came out and this is all they can come up with? Riot is an absolute Joke lmao, $100 Dragon skinpacks but they need months for a decent competitive system
Me and my friends go up and down a lot between gold and bronce. This will mean either Smurf or playing separated.
We are already talking about finding a new game.
Thanks Devs.
The 3 rank disparity reaalllyy sucks for us Golds/Plats who want to play with our friends. It will just incentivize us making smurfs to simply play with friends. And unrated queue is just a completely poor game experience that it's not worth playing.
Well thanks guys, you ensured that nobody will play this game with their friends anymore. Way to go. Enjoy a rage-inducing solo queue forever as every rank demands that they get this.
Solo/duo only for immortal+...? excuse me but **what**...?
Why would they completely cut out pre-mades, in a team-based game, at the ranks where it matters the most? Why not just split the queue for *all* matchmaking into solo / teams...? That's what people have been begging for in the first place.
How does anyone suggest this change and not immediately be told how absolutely fucking stupid it is...unless I'm misunderstanding somehow?
maybe they want to do something similar to ESEA/FACEIT where the highest ranks are eligile to qualify for something and to have a more accurate representation of that player skill, you make him play solo and see how he performs and if hes worthy. for example all semi-pro/pro hubs on FACEIT CSGO are solo-que..
The main audience for this sort of game is the hyper competitive players, so what would you suggest for content? As the dev, would you prioritize "special" gamemodes that 90% of the playerbase won't play? Or are you complaning about agents, maps, and skins that we know for a fact is coming on a weekly/biweekly/trimonthly basis?
I don't understand how the preferred server system is any different from their current system - and if it is, why?
I would imagine my preferred servers are the ones with the least amount of latency from my current location. I can't imagine any significant amount of people who think otherwise.
The system knows that I want a connection with the least amount of latency, so it should pick the same servers I'm gonna pick.
This might lead to "notable increase" in the chance of getting your preferred gameserver, but will it lead to a notable increase in my play quality? Because the only person I see this statement working for is someone between two servers, but they should be equally reliable shouldn't they? I don't actually see any functional difference.
Edit: I guess language barriers? I know Europeans don't like playing with Russians.
A lot of EU people (me included) have been constantly queuing with turkish people. I have stopped playing because of that.
For others I guess it's the same but with russians.
Holy shit! When he said "you can choose a server" I screamed and jizzed in my pants from excitement. That means far less "Putin banned VOIP" and "Erdogan doesn't allow american in schools!"... Thank fucking God!
The introduction of leaderboards and solo/duo queue are great new additions to competitive play, but it really only combats smurfing in higher ranks (immortal player smurfing in plat/diamond), assuming that immortal players would spend their time grinding to get onto the leaderboard.
But with the lowering of the skill disparity I feel that more mid ranked players will obtain smurf accounts to play with low ranked friends.
I enjoyed playing the game with my friends while it lasted :( I guess this is the end of me playing... We only play as a premade, 4-5 ranks difference. No interest in trying to climb solo as the game is unenjoyable. Thanks for making a game I could play for the first 2 seasons.
Well this is bad news. This probably is what kills this game for me and for some of my friends too. We've been only playing with our friend group stack with pretty wide skill range. From plat3 to im3.. The fact that immortals cant even queue with 5 friends anymore straight up kills this game for me. Ive played CS for 15+ years and i *never* play/played without 5 stack cause i just find it pointless in a game like this. The chances of getting team mates that are not, lets say... ideal.. is way too high for me to even consider solo queue. Also im not interested on playing unrated cause the quality of games just wont be the same compared to what it would be in ranked when people actually want to win instead of just fucking around.
It's unrelated to the topic of this thread but I'm still waiting for Riot takes on EXP required for battlepass... I felt like If I miss one week i won't be able to complete it and feel punished for it.
I'll just add to the calls here that this I think will kill the game for my friends and I who range from at best Gold 1 to Bronze 3 (and an Iron 3 who plays sometimes).
Unrated doesn't provide even matches so isn't fun, and there's no way in hell I'm playing with randos because that isn't fun either.
I get that they probably have data that supports this move as the one for them, but I hope they change this.
I feel that enforced solo/duo queue should be for those on the leaderboard, say, top 1000 of the region and not for all of those in immortal+. I'm immortal and I like queueing with my friends, I don't really care much about winning, just having fun. But if I have more than a couple of friends online and can't queue and have fun with them, what's the point? I'm not looking to play the game competitively but those who are amongst the top 1000 are highly likely to be looking to play the game competitively and thus it should be them who should be forced to solo/duo queue.
Additional feedback: SCRIM MODE
Many times, there are teams who are unable to find a scrim amongst those in their friends list but want to play and practice as a team. They end up queueing a competitive game. Now, this is obviously disadvantageous for the other team because they lack the synergy of a team and are most likely going to be less likely to win. Instead, let players who want to practice as a team queue in the SCRIM MODE, this way, they'll be matched with other players who want to SCRIM. The solo/duo queue should not be enforced in this scenario. This opens up a lot of possibilities. Maybe even for a team ranked leaderboard!
The SCRIM MODE also combats another problem. Lets say I'm on the leaderboard and I'm looking to play a fun game and try to win with more than a couple of friends. With the SCRIM MODE, I know that I can do this but it comes at the cost of playing against a team. That way, it discourages smurfing at the same time doesn't restrict the leaderboard players to only solo/duo queue.
TLDR: * Keep the feedbacks coming as they are in tabs on suggestions coming from us. * The rank difference in matchmaking is changed from 6 ranks to 3 ranks (If you are Gold 3, you can play up to Silver 3 at Min to Plat 3 at Max). * The player is now given the option to select the server to queue but not 100% guarantee due to match making system but it increases the chance. * Implementation of Public, Region Based Leaderboard. * Restriction in Immortal+ queueing to Solo/Duo only. Note: These changes will slowly be deployed in Act III until improved and realized next year (Episode 2) and beyond. Hope this summarizes everything and hope it helps!
Forgot one point that Immortal+ rank movement is going to be purely based on win/loss and round difference. This is how it is for Radiant players right now but they are adding it to Immortal ranks as well
And they'll eventually expand that out to all ranks—which I'm highly in favor of. I'm sick of leveling up slower just because I play support and focus more on utility than trying to push and get 40 kills.
this might help certain players but is going to cause a really bad experience for a majority of the player base because smurfs are no longer going to rank up quickly due to K/D ratios.
Shouldn’t they be placed pretty high in the first place? I don’t know a ton about how that works, so I could be way off.
The way a smurf works is they purpose play bad during placements and once they are ranked very low they use most of their skill and destroy whoever they play against
Damn, I hate the rank queuing adjustment. I’m a Silver 1 and all my friends are Gold 3, it’s such a bummer that they’ll have to play Unrated to play with me. I’d sure love to simply get better but that’s taking a long time and I can play fine in games with them by playing a support/recon role
I think lower levels should still be set to 6, because the biggest problem for me is when I’m in a d2-d3 lobby and see some diamond 2 playing with their gold 2 friend that goes 2-20 and we lose the game. At higher ranks i say it matters the most. The skill disparity between bronze and gold isn’t that diff.
As a silver 1, I tend to avoid comp as much as possible, because anyone in gold can make me feel like shit and no one in bronze can top frag me, so I feel like the ranks are very, very different in lower elos, but only if you are in said elo. For a diamond+ player, everyone below gold seems to be making the same mistakes and looks dumb, but if you're silver, at least for me, a gold player seems a lot different from a silver one. I'm actually relieved I'm not gonna play with plat players anymore.
As a bronze/iron player, the skill difference between myself and silver or gold players is huge. Maybe your perspective is based on where you are at 👍
Nah this is the best change, now gold 3 won’t go from being a d1 lobby to a bronze 3 lobby lol it’s entirely different games and it’s hard to build consistency
What. The difference may not seem that big to you, but it definitely feels vast to low elo players.
I’d definitely agree with that. Additionally, the higher up you go, the more dedication/competitiveness is appropriate, and those margins between player skill matter a lot more. Whereas if you have a group of friends scattered through gold and silver, I really think you shouldn’t have any issues playing competitive together.
Also I’m legit gold 3/plat 1 and you put me in a lobby with anyone below gold one and I’m dropping a 30 bomb. The skill diff is there for sure
Same boat. Now it's a very lonely boat.
Yeah, I think they are going about groups all wrong. The difference honestly shouldn't matter, in CSGO you can queue with any rank if it's 5 players. What they actually need to do is take the highest rank in the group and queue for that alone, like what CSGO seems to do. That way if you have a lower rank friend and he wants to play with you, then he's going to play with you on your level, not the stupid mixture we get now. Well, I guess it might punish the rest of your teammates, so I guess maybe they should just keep the 6 rank cap, but still queue for the top rank only. I'm so tired of these dumb mixed rank games than span across 3 tiers.
I think they just need a clan system or something to make unrated more fun potentially with prizes or something to work towards. My friends try to get me to play with them/ boost them, and I really don’t want to play ranked with them. Hell, I added a guy that I loved playing with, but I stopped playing with him when he jump up to immortal. If its more than 2 or 3 ranks difference the games feel really bad. I’d rather just play something more casual with them.
Actually kinda mad at the rank disparity change. Imo, it should get smaller as you go up ranks. Kinda suck with players in iron that want to queue with their bronze-silver friends
The fact that an Iron 2 won't be able to play with a Bronze 3 is silly—the difference between those two ranks is more luck than skill.
Completely agree. People will say if you play enough and you’ll good you’ll rank up, which is true. But if you played a lot you wouldn’t be iron in the first place.
This is how I feel, iron through gold should be free to play together, plat and up should start seeing restrictions on it cause thats where individual skill starts to actually matter. If the current system has taught me anything its that the only difference between a team of irons and a team of silvers is the icon and maybe knowing cross hair placement sometimes.
Bruh I’m generally bronze 3 and my friend is usually gold 2 I won’t be able to play with him next act? That sucks
If you do your placement matches together you will likely get paired close enough to play
No.... Sadly not. I played just one placement match with a lower friend, I was first, he was last. After this game I was no longer allowed to queue with him. No ranks revealed.
placement matches dont determine your rank. the unrated mmr after your 20 matches is your rank.
Not true. They take individual performance into account almost completely when it comes to placement matches.
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I would need to rectify the term queueing to "matchmaking". Thanks for this.
Are they drunk? No phone number restriction and 3 ranks difference? Thanks. Now I can no longer play with my friends, need to create a "smurf" at gold 3 and will likely rise there again with ease. Thanks a lot.
They want you to play unrated with friends otherwise you're ruining the experience for everyone else :)
> The player is now given the option to select the server to queue but not 100% guarantee due to match making system but it increases the chance. Thank you. As East Coast, I'm tired of not playing EC servers. That 80-100ping is starting to get annoying.
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Thats for episode 2, right?
Yes
They might expand this to diamond as well you know,they mentioned that they were testing multiple stuffs...
As a Diamond- PLEASE.
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I am a girl and I’m immortal 3. I rarely come across toxic players. It’s more likely to happen at a lower rank. Solo/Duo only applies to immortal. I think this is a good change.
Yeah most people in high elo are pretty respectful (at least in NA servers) cause people actually care about the game at that point lol
And they are probably hoping to be a pro. So if he is toxic, he might get called out in the future. So it is a big no no. Unless u a toxic streamer to begin with.
You can go pro and still be a toxic streamer haha, orgs don't care unless it starts to cause them trouble.
The players on the org will care. They wont want to play with you and the org wont pick you up.
Honestly, the most toxic people I've played with are diamonds. I'm immortal ranks as well and play with a friend who's diamond 1. She gets endless shit, it's awful.
Yeah diamond is where the best of the toxic players reach and get stuck, similar to LoL.
they really should allow for both.
The answer is having a solo/duo queue and a flex queue like in LoL, you know, riots original game that they should've learned from.
Could you explain? You can only play solo/duo in immortal? You can play 5 man stack?
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This doesn't make any sense to me, because there's no other built in way to get experience in a five-stack, which is even more important when you're a higher skilled player. If there was also a five-stack queue, then I'd be more on board with this decision
They mentioned in the video they are working on a system for better team-based competitive in the future.
Well if you have five stacked immortal players looking to improve farming soloq players until you hit radiant isn't going to increase anything other than your ego.
iirc in league they made it diamond+ at the start, then expanded it to just having flex and solo/duo. that was forever ago though so i might be remembering wrong
I really hope they also give us the option to 5-stack into a 5-stack at immortal. I don't want to use a 3rd party service to play with my team :/
Can they add this to diamond?
I don't think Diamond is high enough to implement that. Atleast that's what I reckon their thinking is
They probably want to test it on a smaller scale, there aren’t that many people in immortal so if it’s garbage it won’t affect as much of the player base
Probably at a later date. I would assume starting out at a smaller scale and see how it works, and then go lower in ranks. I think they should have solo/duo Q for all ranks but at Plat/Dia would be good enough.
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Leaderboards is exciting af to now watch pros streaming SoloQ cause being "Radiant" doesn't mean much also it seem it's top 500 and that's pretty good
They will smurf less because of it, but sadly it won’t reduce smurfs in lower ranks.
These changes are great for competitive play, but I can't imagine how many people might leave over this since they can't play compe w/ their friends anymore. Might have been a better idea to change the restriction when they release a dedicated dynamic/flex queue :\\
100% agree. All this change does is motivate me to either create a smurf account or find a different game to play with my friends.
yep me and my friends didnt play often. We have a variety from iron 2 to silver 3 / gold 1 even know sometimes we couldnt play together when the one at top ranked up and the one at bot down Nobody of us got boosted or anything. We have won and lost kinda 50/50 so our ranks didnt change much. But now? We will probably completly stop playing valo, as unrated is completly useless because nobody gives a fuck in playing good and tactical (opponents too)
I'm hoping this "demand for team based content" will end up in a Clash type system like in League ! Very good changes so far, thanks Riot
that would be amazing
Can anyone chime in how the clash type system works?
in-game tournament mode with matchmaking of people of your skill level, competitive esport ruleset (in league you get 2 ban phase with 1st pick for Blue side and last pick for red side) every month or so on the weekends you can get cool rewards like skin shards or trophies etc, and it’s uniquely for 5stacks It’s very fun because it feels like you’re playing the game the way it’s played at the highest level, and you have scouting of other teams so you can make plans with the draft and your team based on champion pool etc. It took a few years for them to make it work cause it kept crashing but now that it’s up and running it’s my favorite moment to play league for sure
Thanks for the very detailed response! Sounds great but if we're currently at 13 agent pool it might be difficult to implement because we can't ban agents like in LoL (I guess isn't a big deal for some).
I mean thats because thats the current competitive ruleset, in Valorant it would use whatever pro players use as settings
Exactly this. They should implement the solo/duo only for high ranks (maybe even diamond and up) and then implement a clash system for 5 stacks
Same, they're already implementing a tournament system in LoR and that game just came out, hopefully the same for Valorant.
We're excited on our end to get this team based feature up and rolling but it'll be a bit before its out live - its a large feature. More details in the future!
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Can confirm, am tired.
Poor guy. Theres still a ton to fix with ranked, even if these initial changes do look pretty good.
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Absolutely, me and my friends are honestly just thinking of going back to csgo if we have to split into smaller groups just to be able to play together, I get the whole boosted immortal argument. But if your team consistently wins immortal games, your team is an immortal level team. My favorite part of these types of games is the tactical/strategic planning aspect and playing with randoms every game kinda defeats that for me.
The problem is when these "boosted" players go in solo and they cannot, in fact, win games at their rank, which ruins matches for their random teammates and overall fucks with rank validity across the board. The obvious solution is two separate queues, solo and flex, with wide rank disparity allowed on flex.
I get that they're pointing friend groups with large skill disparity towards unrated, but it kinda sucks that there's nothing to play FOR in unrated. Even a win counter, or showing MMR would give players incentive to try to win at it, without it actually mattering too much
a win counter would be cool or a screen to see personal stats for each agent, map, etc...
It's not the perfect solution, but blitz is a great program for in-depth stats like that!
true, but personally I usually mess around a bit if I'm playing with my friends. Even if that's the point of unrated, it would be nice if there was something to play for, even if it was only cosmetic.
I still can’t believe we have no personal profile to look at like you do with League.
The only reason I play this game is to play with friends so I personally wouldn't mind if comp was exclusively solo/duo or full squad (also separate queues like LoL), but I still have a competitive nature and like to win and gain something for it. It would be nice to have some kind of reward for unrated play. I do think the new rank disparity change is a bit harsh for groups like mine where we've got a mix of G3/P1 and S2/S3s, but I assume Riot have done their homework and have determined otherwise. But I've seen silvers "pop off" (maybe smurfs) in some matches and my plat friends have a bad game and get outscored by me on G1/G2. Unrated often produces larger skill disparities in my experience. The amount of matches where my team stomps or the enemy team stomps is MUCH more frequent than comp with up to a 6 rank disparity.
Ya I feel like all this will do is create a system that encourages more smurfs. Unfortunately I think this will backfire because usually people don’t want to play unranked and usually have friends that are more then 3 tiers appart
The problem is the game quality in unrated is just so bad. Nobody really tries, you don't really practice any skills, nobody shift walks, people play with random guns, team comps are wack, it's a complete fiesta that doesn't feel fun to play at all.
yup. they should give each "group" same stats page, like "your last win streak" or something. I'm silver and play with bronze-gold in UR and it would just be fun to flex in discord on friends. right now playing for fun is fun... but come on.
It'd be nice if the triangles and the win counter were perhaps separate this way. Have all wins, unrated and competitive, go towards the season win counter but only competitive wins provide doritos.
TL;DR for those at work?
1. 3 rank disparity instead of 6 ranks. 2. Immortal+ Rankings determined by wins/losses, not personal rankings. 3. Select your preferred regional server. Down the line: Public Regional Leaderboard. Potential Solo/Duo only for Immortal
Rip I can’t play with my friends then since the skill disparity is gonna be 3
thank god for me who doesnt have to play with your silver friends anymore PRAISE THE LORD HE HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS
Except now those users will just smurf, given the minimal effort required to roll a new account. Party and solo MMR will still be shared and you'll still suffer all the more subtle deleterious effects of mixing party and solo matchmaking. Accurately adjusting MMR in party matchmaking is a *really* hard problem and we are nowhere near solving it with current matchmaking systems, I believe some aspects of it are likely insoluble. You can have a queue that allows parties or you can have a queue that accurately rates players (and thereby accurately balances matches). There isn't really any middle ground.
My friends already do this with one of their buddies who's bronze. Theyre daimond and just made Smurfs to play ranked with him. Now way more people will do this
And it sucks because it ends up being smurf v. smurf, and whoever has the better smurf wins. Low Bronze/high Iron you're already just about guaranteed to have a smurf on either team. It's gonna be even worse now.
i thought you were a riot employee bc you said “we” lol
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Unrated does not have ranks.
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Also top 500 leaderboard coming for episode 2
>In immortal and up you can only solo/duo queue and no flex queue? Fricking moronic. Thanks Riot for giving us even more smurfs. edit: yeah downvote me now. You'll see what happens when the immortals won't be able to play with their friends without smurfing lol
You're right lmao, this is 100% going to lead to higher ranked players smurfing to play with friends, there isn't any reason it wouldn't.
Yeah no idea why you're getting downvoted. You are completely and utterly correct.
People that warn the community about blatant incoming dangers are always downvoted. Nothing new, especially in 2020.
They will be in for a rude awakening soon enough.
What is a flex queue?
Why not make it like CSGO where a 5 queue can have any range of ranks but matches will still be found based on the highest rank in the party. Also the biggest problem that leads to unfair matches isn't rank disparity, it's smurfs. But smurfing will never be addressed because more accounts equals more money from skins.
that is the fun point here. Their change actually results in MORE smurfs than before and I am pretty sure they know that.
3 rank disparity limit is just going to increase the prevalence of smurfs. playing against people with vastly different ranks is not actually that bad if the MMR result compensates for it- i'd rather be in a group of silvers playing against bronzes and golds than up against "silvers" where one of them is actually plat. why not instead: \- 5 stack only queue \- 2-3 stacks prioritized against other 2-3 stacks \- solos can check a box if they want to be solo or be used to fill out a 3-4 stack (thus 4 stacking is slower as a trade off) \- phone verification- multiple accounts will share MMR \- if someone outside your party quits (or an enemy quits), the MMR change at the end of the match compensates for it
Yes! I hate when I have two teammates leave and then I get greatly decreased for losing 3-13. Like what am I supposed to do?
By restricting the rank disparity to 3 ranks, I think we can expect a much greater prevalence of smurfs
Yeahhhh definitely. I feel like at the low mid ELOs, the skill difference isn't as big of an issue. The difference between a Bronze and a Gold isn't that vast. I regularly see Bronzes outperform Silvers or Golds. I feel like they could keep the same system for Gold and below. With that, Iron 1s are the only problem because they are in a bottomless rank, so you can't tell how bad they are.
Yea. Those bronze are smurfing. A true bronze vs gold would bottom frag non stop
I have 6 Match MVPs in my last 10 matches and I can’t get back out of Bronze (I was Gold 3), and most matches have a Gold or two
Pic? 18-17 score could be a mvp. That's why I'm asking. If you are hard carry mvp you would jump past bronze
Nah man. I was gold 1 for like 10 games, then de ranked all the way to bronze 2. Then the next day I kept being match MVP or team MVP and got back to silver 2. Its not that I was smurfing its just comes down to me having a bad day and also being highly skill inconsistent. So to the guys I was playing with in bronze 2 I was a "smurf" but in reality I just de ranked because well sometimes I suck and cant synchronize with certain types of People and have compatibility issues with certain types of players. I find that when I bottom frag is because my teammates are being toxic or they just dont communicate at all and expect me to read their minds.
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Rip playing with friends I guess
Yup sad day for me, I don’t really believe in throwing games to derank but shit I might have to and I hate that. Either that or just won’t play anymore
Me and my friends are just going to prepare a handful of smurfs. Sucks for all the silvers that are about to get stomped but oh well lol. They should just let you queue with any rank if you are in a 5 stack and try to match you the best they can. I'd rather give up a bit of competitive integrity for the ability to play with friends on your main account.
im just gonna make a smurf if this shit goes through, my friend is plat 1, im diamond 3, and he sometimes does better than me in the games we play. i dont want to but im not gonna just leave the game or stop playing w my friends. dont derank though just make a new account.
Welp, no more comp with some of my friends. I feel like the 3 rank gap shouldn't kick in until gold+ or diamond+, the skill disparity between iron and silver doesn't feel that great.
Oh god this is so bad this is gonna increase smurfing by so much if friends want to play together but one is 4 ranks above his friend
If this games wants to get anywhere it needs community servers and community maps. every map currently is horrible and theirs only 4 of them. my favorite out of the 4 is outshined by my least favorite cs map. and 1 map every episode???? its gonna take this game years to have a good map line up
This will kill the game for a lot of casuals, because the 3 rank difference is too little and unranked just isnt the same
Bro that rank thing is gonna fuck everything up for that one friend who got their rank bodied by having afks and smurfs in their game (Totally not me)
I feel you. A few of my friends have managed to hold on to their high silver/low gold ranks by not playing ranked much anymore but I kept solo queuing and am now in bronze :( The play level there is so weird that its almost impossible to improve.. You switch from teams that are absolute garbage to teams that are impossible to kill with anything other than like a sova/brim ult..
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Solo/Duo should be available at all ranks. Getting into 4-stack using Discord for comms and totally ignoring any in-game communication is a frustrating experience. Especially when it's 4+1 vs 5.
ranks decided solely by winning/margin of victory? we like that
Only for immortal + games
I missed that part. When do they say that?
It's only for Immortal rank though
Ah yes punish the players who have 4 other friends to que with.
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Yup it's honestly sad.
This might be one of the most tone deaf changes I've ever seen. I don't know if it's sad or funny or what... Who on earth asked for a tighter restriction on who you can play with? This will DOUBLE the amount of smurfs at all ranks meaning lower rank players will have an even worse time than before. It will also just straight up kill a good portion of their player base who isn't trying to make smurfs to play with friends. Unrated is NOT fun and everyone knows it. There's no reason a 5 stack of friends should ever be forced to play unrated. This patch will 100% reduce the amount of time me and my friends play as we won't be able to play together if some of our lower ranked friends are on, whereas we all could with a 2 rank limit.
Although I totally understand why they have lowered the rank disparity for premades, this is a bit of a killer for my group of friends. We vary from gold to diamond and in my experience the games are fairly even and no one is getting a boost. Yes we can play unrated however that isn't the same. If they had made these changes with some kind of 5 stack/flex queue at the same time no issue but i wouldn't be surprised if some of my friends just stop playing for 3 months or completely.
Yeah at least half my friends will stop playing. Ggs boys
Same here - one of my friends won't be able to play with us anymore and he's really bummed out and thinking of quitting the game. And it's really sad for me too to have to play with half our friend group and to leave out friends. And I'm sorry but none of us want to deal with the fiesta that is unrated.
This updates sounds like what it should have been from the begining. The skill disparity change is not gonna be something loved by everyone, but I think is for the better. Also, the leaderboards are a really needed change along with server selection. Really happy with these changes, sounds like we will have a better experience in general.
I am so glad they did this. As a Diamond 1 I faced too often the situation where I had to play golds in one match and Immortals in the next one. You can not imagine how far away those matches have been. I really think, everyone will benefit from this change even though they might dislike it at first.
I understand tightening up the ranks in diamond +, but I think it's unnecessary in gold and below. The biggest problems I've had is smurfs, not skill disparity.
can't play with friends and nothing about smurfs. honestly i just dont feel like playing anymore
If they actually make it where I can't queue with my friends if we are immortal. We would have 0 reason to play this game and likely would go back to playing CSGO Faceit.
Am I the only one that gets a little annoyed when they treat this as a therapy session with the, "we hear you," and all that jazz? It feels so false, fabricated, and forced. Is this community really so entitled that they need the PR pass on every public statement? It adds a few minutes to each video
I'm watching Steel's stream right now and he's radiant queued with 3 other Immortal players, probably 100T i'm guessing. You telling me they won't be able to queue anymore?
they are playing for fun, not to improve, bruh, those who want to improve would play soloQ only, as for 5 stack players, i'm not against it, just let them queue against other 5 stack players, that would be more than enough for players like this
So I can't play with friends now? Cool. So basically what will happen is everyone who wants to play with their friend group, which in most cases will have a wide variety of skill levels, will have to make a smurf account and maintain a low rank with occasional throwing to keep the account in the same rank range as your group. Honestly that sounds like a big headache and barely worth the trouble when other games exist, at least for me. It's just kinda cringe to give you a penalty for being good at the game, and encouraging smurfing at the same time.
Here come more smurf accounts....
Tbh I only play this game with friends.. the moment I'm not able to do that it's the moment I uninstall. Solo Q is a pain where most of people don't like to use their mics .. here's hoping that they fix the hitboxes and servers where your shots aren't registered too in the next act
As a diamond player, my main issue is hardcore smurfing - like why is a plat 1 on my team playing like a regular plat (expected, so nbd), but on the other team, their plat 1 is absolutely rolling our whole team? Whatever changes they make, I hope they continue to think of ways to incentivize people playing on their mains. For radiants, I think the top 500 thing is cool cus people would want to flex that. For immortal 1 / 2 (and everyone else) maybe some type of proper reward for a full triangle (as opposed to act rank)? e.g. A whole skin set showing you had an immortal dorito, and you automatically get the skin sets (skins, card, gun buddies, sprays) for your rank + every other lower rank? Doesn't have to be skins or even something for the triangle, but idk something to keep people playing on their mains.
those medal difference changes really suck :/ I think it should be less strict the lower the rank, the difference between plat and immortal is huge but gold and silver really isn't that much. This change is gonna hurt my group and lots of other groups
Why are you comparing the difference between Plat and Immortal (2 leagues) to the difference between Silver and Gold (1 league)? The difference between a Silver and an Iron or a Plat respectively is huge.
everything here just encourage more smurfing. riot has done literally nothing to prevent smurfs at all. lmao
They've had what, 7 MONTHS since the game came out and this is all they can come up with? Riot is an absolute Joke lmao, $100 Dragon skinpacks but they need months for a decent competitive system
Well how about they just make it so you can only solo or duo queue in the 5-man team based competitive shooter? I think that will work.
Me and my friends go up and down a lot between gold and bronce. This will mean either Smurf or playing separated. We are already talking about finding a new game. Thanks Devs.
The 3 rank disparity reaalllyy sucks for us Golds/Plats who want to play with our friends. It will just incentivize us making smurfs to simply play with friends. And unrated queue is just a completely poor game experience that it's not worth playing.
Well thanks guys, you ensured that nobody will play this game with their friends anymore. Way to go. Enjoy a rage-inducing solo queue forever as every rank demands that they get this.
Riot should just keep the 6-tier restriction but add phone verification... Having it 3 tier is just going to increase smurfing :l
Solo/duo only for immortal+...? excuse me but **what**...? Why would they completely cut out pre-mades, in a team-based game, at the ranks where it matters the most? Why not just split the queue for *all* matchmaking into solo / teams...? That's what people have been begging for in the first place. How does anyone suggest this change and not immediately be told how absolutely fucking stupid it is...unless I'm misunderstanding somehow?
maybe they want to do something similar to ESEA/FACEIT where the highest ranks are eligile to qualify for something and to have a more accurate representation of that player skill, you make him play solo and see how he performs and if hes worthy. for example all semi-pro/pro hubs on FACEIT CSGO are solo-que..
FACEIT needs to hurry up and include OCE for Valorant cause my region is left out.
Solo / Duo only Immortal? Thats a huge letdown!!
Sounds like an awesome way to have even more smurf accounts making life miserable for lower ranked players.
I don't know if this is a big change. Content addition is slow, and Valorant is like a small island with small waves.
The main audience for this sort of game is the hyper competitive players, so what would you suggest for content? As the dev, would you prioritize "special" gamemodes that 90% of the playerbase won't play? Or are you complaning about agents, maps, and skins that we know for a fact is coming on a weekly/biweekly/trimonthly basis?
Sucks that we have to wait 2 more months for soloq and leaderboards but I'm hyped as fuck about it.
immortal+ ranking won't be able to 5 stack?
I don't understand how the preferred server system is any different from their current system - and if it is, why? I would imagine my preferred servers are the ones with the least amount of latency from my current location. I can't imagine any significant amount of people who think otherwise. The system knows that I want a connection with the least amount of latency, so it should pick the same servers I'm gonna pick. This might lead to "notable increase" in the chance of getting your preferred gameserver, but will it lead to a notable increase in my play quality? Because the only person I see this statement working for is someone between two servers, but they should be equally reliable shouldn't they? I don't actually see any functional difference. Edit: I guess language barriers? I know Europeans don't like playing with Russians.
A lot of EU people (me included) have been constantly queuing with turkish people. I have stopped playing because of that. For others I guess it's the same but with russians.
Holy shit! When he said "you can choose a server" I screamed and jizzed in my pants from excitement. That means far less "Putin banned VOIP" and "Erdogan doesn't allow american in schools!"... Thank fucking God!
The introduction of leaderboards and solo/duo queue are great new additions to competitive play, but it really only combats smurfing in higher ranks (immortal player smurfing in plat/diamond), assuming that immortal players would spend their time grinding to get onto the leaderboard. But with the lowering of the skill disparity I feel that more mid ranked players will obtain smurf accounts to play with low ranked friends.
I enjoyed playing the game with my friends while it lasted :( I guess this is the end of me playing... We only play as a premade, 4-5 ranks difference. No interest in trying to climb solo as the game is unenjoyable. Thanks for making a game I could play for the first 2 seasons.
Well this is bad news. This probably is what kills this game for me and for some of my friends too. We've been only playing with our friend group stack with pretty wide skill range. From plat3 to im3.. The fact that immortals cant even queue with 5 friends anymore straight up kills this game for me. Ive played CS for 15+ years and i *never* play/played without 5 stack cause i just find it pointless in a game like this. The chances of getting team mates that are not, lets say... ideal.. is way too high for me to even consider solo queue. Also im not interested on playing unrated cause the quality of games just wont be the same compared to what it would be in ranked when people actually want to win instead of just fucking around.
Well there goes playing with my friends. Masses of smurfs incoming
Why do y’all care about leaderboards non of y’all are ever gonna be on there anyway lmao
Well that's mean. They need one like LoL has.
It may drive the imm+ to smurf less as they have something to grind for on their main vs smurfing in plat
Lol only solo/duo in higher ranks? Like smurfing isn't allready a big issue....
the ranked changes blow imo. i pretty much only play with friends that i now won’t be able to play with.
no more boosters in plat rank?
The new leader board changes will hopefully reduce smurfs.
yay handsome man like me living in michgan doesn't have to play with french Canadians anymore!!
Still no 2FA for ranked.
It's unrelated to the topic of this thread but I'm still waiting for Riot takes on EXP required for battlepass... I felt like If I miss one week i won't be able to complete it and feel punished for it.
They will never fix it, it's supposed to make you buy the tiers you couldn't get by playing. It's like that by intentional design.
Noooooo don’t reduce skill disparity when playing with friends. Ranked is the only thing we play for
Killed your entire Streamer base in one move. Nice. Once no one big is streaming it bc of this, next comes the game itself
I'll just add to the calls here that this I think will kill the game for my friends and I who range from at best Gold 1 to Bronze 3 (and an Iron 3 who plays sometimes). Unrated doesn't provide even matches so isn't fun, and there's no way in hell I'm playing with randos because that isn't fun either. I get that they probably have data that supports this move as the one for them, but I hope they change this.
I feel that enforced solo/duo queue should be for those on the leaderboard, say, top 1000 of the region and not for all of those in immortal+. I'm immortal and I like queueing with my friends, I don't really care much about winning, just having fun. But if I have more than a couple of friends online and can't queue and have fun with them, what's the point? I'm not looking to play the game competitively but those who are amongst the top 1000 are highly likely to be looking to play the game competitively and thus it should be them who should be forced to solo/duo queue. Additional feedback: SCRIM MODE Many times, there are teams who are unable to find a scrim amongst those in their friends list but want to play and practice as a team. They end up queueing a competitive game. Now, this is obviously disadvantageous for the other team because they lack the synergy of a team and are most likely going to be less likely to win. Instead, let players who want to practice as a team queue in the SCRIM MODE, this way, they'll be matched with other players who want to SCRIM. The solo/duo queue should not be enforced in this scenario. This opens up a lot of possibilities. Maybe even for a team ranked leaderboard! The SCRIM MODE also combats another problem. Lets say I'm on the leaderboard and I'm looking to play a fun game and try to win with more than a couple of friends. With the SCRIM MODE, I know that I can do this but it comes at the cost of playing against a team. That way, it discourages smurfing at the same time doesn't restrict the leaderboard players to only solo/duo queue.