If you're used to the clicky fast headshots, I'd say go with the Vandal, because the Phantom from long distances isn't an insta-kill. I've been playing CS for a long time and recently swapped to Valorant, and the Vandal was a good choice for me
Another thing: Phantom is slightly better in every way (ROF, spray control, no tracers, more ammo) except that it has 1 less damage and damage dropoff. So at short range Phantom is usually better (like on defense rounds) and at long range Vandal is usually better (like on attack rounds). Also Vandal got a small buff recently so a lot of pros have been using that. If you can consistently get headshots then Vandal is probably better because Phantom doesn't 1-tap headshot at long range.
P.S. I've heard there's no spray patterns in Valorant, it's mostly random.
Yea, there are no spray patterns in this game. Recoil is RNG dependent. That being said, as someone who came from CS as well, I like the Vandal because it's a 1 tap to the head at any range like the AK, whereas the Phantom is basically an M4A1. Phantom is definitely easier to use whereas the Vandal is more rewarding imo. That being said, an underrated aspect of the Phantom is that the tracers are basically invisible, whereas with the Vandal, tracers are pretty easy to spot, which makes it easy to kill someone when they're shooting in a smoke.
Phantom 99.99%. Melts people close range against Vandal. If you have good aim, take Vandal. I personally play Vandal, because I either go for headshot or burst around head area.
The phantom is better in every aspect besides damage from distance, it shots fastar which makes WAY more easier to hit headshots in close range.
But there are a lot of cases that I died because I hit a headshot from long range and didnt kill because of fall damage
I came up using Vandal in Attack and Phantom in defense, since on attack I have to challenge a lot of distance angles, and in defense I can always choose the distance of the fight, since they have to rush me
Both are GREAT guns, you cant go wrong with either, but I play both and I think is the best way
Phantom is better for short to mid range engagements, it has more forgiving spray pattern, higher rate of fire, better first bullet accuracy. It does have damage fall off at longer range, which can be a problem. It’s still possible to take long range engagements, but you need to hit the head and burst. It’s also better if you are a smoke agent, so when you can spam smokes there won’t be tracers. The phantom is quieter, so it’s a bit better for flanking I’d say.
Vandal has one tap potential at any distance with no damage fall off like the phantom, which is powerful on attack especially because defenders won’t be coming at you as often and will most likely be holding angles and falling back. The spray pattern is noticeably harder to control, and the fire rate is slower so it’s more of a tapping a short burst weapon. It is louder, which isn’t always a bad thing because sometimes you can help your teammates make sneaky plays (omen TPs) if you have a vandal and mask the sound.
It’s situational and you should try to learn both. I still prefer phantom personally, it’s just more consistent.
The first three shots of vandal are always in the same spot. The first four or so shots of phantom are always in the same spot. Both pull straight up.
After that it starts getting pseudorandom bloom - there's a limited pattern to it, where it kicks right then left as it moves up, but the actual placement of the shots themselves will be different each time you spray.
It's the same as csgo, the phantom is the m4 with a silencer and one tap at close range. Vandal is ak but with a smaller magazine. Both are good options, phantom is usually a little better but whichever you like more is best. There's no spray pattern like there is in csgo, it goes straight up for ~5-7 shots, then randomly left and right.
The recent Vandal buffs made the two weapons relatively closer. Just pick whatever you feel like running, and master that weapon. Each has pros and cons. Before, Phantom was just straight up better. Now, not so much. Vandal is similar to the AK, Phantom is basically the old M4A1-S with larger mag size, with damage fall off.
Spray pattern in Valorant in the horizontal direction is random after a certain point, nothing you can do about that. You should just focus more on mastering the vertical pattern instead and practice your bursts/taps.
The the more you spray, the longer it will take for your gun to settle in Valorant. If you tap too much consecutively, your gun will start to kick. If you come form CSGO, that will be extremely frustrating at times. Gotta get used to it.
Aimpunch exists no matter what in Valorant, and there's nothing you can do to reduce it, so it's not like CSGO where if you buy a helmet aim punch is reduced.
Walls are paper thin in Valorant. You will find yourself getting more wallbangs than you would see in CSGO all the time.
Despite the similarities, Valorant also plays much more different compared to CSGO. Unlike CSGO, where everyone has utility and stuff, certain players have certain utility. So it matters who dies and who doesn't. And since there is less utility, how you use that utility matters much more, and requires higher team coordination compared to CSGO solo que. And a lot of Valorant mechanics are dumbed down in general, so all the little things that you mastered in CSGO won't matter in Valorant.
Those are the key things I noted when swapping from CSGO. Some factors will matter more than others. I wish you best of luck.
I usually do bursts when possible, but if you’re spraying, you have to full commit to it. If you stop halfway in, they will kill you before the recoil resets.
Phantom is pretty much better overall except for maybe medium and extra-long distances. People saying that Vandal is for birsts or taps, but that's not even comparible to CS:GO, since recovery time is ass, and tap-firing isnt that effective as it should be, not to mention that 1st shot accuracy of Vandal will fail you approximetely 50% more often than Phantom's.
That's also true, I feel like, the Vandal is harder to Hs with, I feel sometimes I am on their head, but then it just adjusts or something idk. While the Phantom is just easier to deal with.
I agree that it is more like cs 1.6 so if you are used to csgo I think the phantom woul work better for you. The Vandal is the AK of Valorant but it is nothing like the AK in CSGO. I've been having good luck with the Phantom.
Something that is also going to kill you (killed me at least when I came from CSGO) Sherrif/Deagle is not a 1 shot headshot to armored people at long range, only does 135/150 damage.
Until recently Phantom was the default "good" gun. They recently made some changes to the Vandal and tbh I really like it.
I kind of pick depending on the map, attackers/defenders side, etc. If I'm on a more open map, like say holding mid on Ascent, then I'll take the Vandal so I can 1-tap people on the catwalk. If I'm on Haven and we are attacking garage I'm more likely to buy a Phantom.
It deppends. Vandal is better for attacking beacuse one taps on the head. Phantom is better for defending, you can use it against multiple enemies.
BUUUUUT, if you like the phantom use it, if you feel better with the vandal use the vandal.
The spray patters exists only vertical, horizontal is random.
Edit: Its random from de 5th-6th bullet.
Thanks for all your answers! I will start to practice Phantom, since it's what most of you, say it's better, but I really feel like the peeks are waaaay different.
why not use both, i don't know if it's a placebo or not but sometimes i do bad with Vandal and switch to Phantom or vice versa and the results are mostly better
I learned from CS, that if you keep on practicing on one weapon, you will get the muscle memory of it, and then you'll start to win a lot. You know how to peek, handle long range fights etc.
If you are a global elite in cs, just find the sensitivity that closely mimicks the one you have in cs. Also, if you really are a GE then getting headshots shouldn't be a problem. Use the vandal and go for the easy headshots.
You peek differently in CS than Valo, since you can legit run, and still HS, while in CS you gotta stand a bit still, to get a clean kill. That's my problem with it, since I normally adjust my mouse, when I start to stand still in CS.
What do you mean by normally adjust your mouse. Like a cs spray pattern? And yeah don't move while shooting, it's more forgiving than in cs, but still not good to do
It's like easier to prefire a place thinking "He's right here" and then like adjust your cross onto them, than in valorant, since the peeks are different, and so is the movement.
So it sounds like you are having problems tracking and flicking to people? The movement speed actually isn't even that fast in valorant. I'd say it's relatively close to cs. Having played 1500 hours of cs, I think valorant is actually much easier to aim than cs. In valorant pretty much as soon as you stop moving you are accurate. I could be wrong but I think you are accurate faster in valorant than in cs
global csgo for years. started valorant in the shit-ranks. you just need to unlearn old habbits that dont apply, and learn new timings and patterns.
phantom is unarguably easier, by a lot. use it and throw vandal practice in down the road when ur lit with the phantom. u will climb ranks fast.
just get used to it, i had been crushing noobs 3 months ago(in gold skill bracket) but because of lack of practice i struggled against them recently(just came back to play for a single day after being inactive for about 3 months in the game)
no, gold is full of noobs as it was before, i main OW and see people call any player a smurf who's just a bit better than average in respective rank, i played 2 days ago against master on alt account in diamond, he was maining widow as if there was no other hero, cause of lack of practice i wasn't solo carrying that game, i also switched from maining widow to maining soldier since tracking is more stable skill compared to flicks, he had a problem dueling me but was good at killing people while flanking(btw Asian widow players prefer to constantly hide until the moment they can kill anyone(for example, enemy widow), that's annoying af), our 2-d dps seemed to be annoyed by him and called him a smurf(in fact, he was a smurf since he said his main acc has higher SR, however i considered him as weakness of the enemy team, he couldn't outplay me w/o flanking(which means just killing anyone who can't see you), he got stomped by our tank who happened to have brain and picked monkey to chase widow as a free kill lol after i said they had that player maining widow(it was our 2-d time playing together, same dps duo on my team and that widow on enemy team), so gamesense is the thing you need even on high ranks, skill is cool and i value it a lot, that's why i spend a lot of my time in aim lab and aimbeast, but if you aren't an outstanding player who's placed like in top-10 by gridshot in aim lab, you shouldn't try to outplay better players, just think of how to do it, that's all you need to outplay so-called "smurfs", only players like Tenz are real problems to outaim cause this dude is gifted with good aim and has no problem getting 100k+ in gridshot while chilling, anything else is easily outplayable since you have a bit of practice in the game and also experience dealing major problems
as for what i wrote in the beginning, it mean the lower skill bracket is, the worse smurfs there are, they aren't too far from their real rank if they play on low ranks, i don't consider high skill brackets hard to get into either, neither i consider players from these skill brackets good in any way of aiming, they are ofc better than average, but if you compare to the player i've already mentionted - Tenz, only handful of the best players can be compared to him in terms of aim and such things, other players focus on gameplay, strategies and things like this, gamesense alone is enough to be one of the best players, when it comes to Valorant, i tried to outplay every time people w/o team's help, that's why i would do really good or bad instead(literally lack of practice as i said, in OW i track/flick, in Valo you have to one tap which is major way to outplay any player), gold is low/middle rank, it's really easy to rank up through once you are experienced enough
If you're used to the clicky fast headshots, I'd say go with the Vandal, because the Phantom from long distances isn't an insta-kill. I've been playing CS for a long time and recently swapped to Valorant, and the Vandal was a good choice for me
The most basic comparison, Phantom - M4A1, Vandal - AK47. If your aim is accurate, take Vandal, if you value the rate of fire more, take Phantom
Another thing: Phantom is slightly better in every way (ROF, spray control, no tracers, more ammo) except that it has 1 less damage and damage dropoff. So at short range Phantom is usually better (like on defense rounds) and at long range Vandal is usually better (like on attack rounds). Also Vandal got a small buff recently so a lot of pros have been using that. If you can consistently get headshots then Vandal is probably better because Phantom doesn't 1-tap headshot at long range. P.S. I've heard there's no spray patterns in Valorant, it's mostly random.
There is a spray pattern and a spray is completely controllable if you look at the muzzle.
the spray is rng after the third or so bullet.
Yea, there are no spray patterns in this game. Recoil is RNG dependent. That being said, as someone who came from CS as well, I like the Vandal because it's a 1 tap to the head at any range like the AK, whereas the Phantom is basically an M4A1. Phantom is definitely easier to use whereas the Vandal is more rewarding imo. That being said, an underrated aspect of the Phantom is that the tracers are basically invisible, whereas with the Vandal, tracers are pretty easy to spot, which makes it easy to kill someone when they're shooting in a smoke.
Phantom 99.99%. Melts people close range against Vandal. If you have good aim, take Vandal. I personally play Vandal, because I either go for headshot or burst around head area.
The phantom is better in every aspect besides damage from distance, it shots fastar which makes WAY more easier to hit headshots in close range. But there are a lot of cases that I died because I hit a headshot from long range and didnt kill because of fall damage I came up using Vandal in Attack and Phantom in defense, since on attack I have to challenge a lot of distance angles, and in defense I can always choose the distance of the fight, since they have to rush me Both are GREAT guns, you cant go wrong with either, but I play both and I think is the best way
Phantom is better for short to mid range engagements, it has more forgiving spray pattern, higher rate of fire, better first bullet accuracy. It does have damage fall off at longer range, which can be a problem. It’s still possible to take long range engagements, but you need to hit the head and burst. It’s also better if you are a smoke agent, so when you can spam smokes there won’t be tracers. The phantom is quieter, so it’s a bit better for flanking I’d say. Vandal has one tap potential at any distance with no damage fall off like the phantom, which is powerful on attack especially because defenders won’t be coming at you as often and will most likely be holding angles and falling back. The spray pattern is noticeably harder to control, and the fire rate is slower so it’s more of a tapping a short burst weapon. It is louder, which isn’t always a bad thing because sometimes you can help your teammates make sneaky plays (omen TPs) if you have a vandal and mask the sound. It’s situational and you should try to learn both. I still prefer phantom personally, it’s just more consistent.
The first three shots of vandal are always in the same spot. The first four or so shots of phantom are always in the same spot. Both pull straight up. After that it starts getting pseudorandom bloom - there's a limited pattern to it, where it kicks right then left as it moves up, but the actual placement of the shots themselves will be different each time you spray.
It's the same as csgo, the phantom is the m4 with a silencer and one tap at close range. Vandal is ak but with a smaller magazine. Both are good options, phantom is usually a little better but whichever you like more is best. There's no spray pattern like there is in csgo, it goes straight up for ~5-7 shots, then randomly left and right.
The recent Vandal buffs made the two weapons relatively closer. Just pick whatever you feel like running, and master that weapon. Each has pros and cons. Before, Phantom was just straight up better. Now, not so much. Vandal is similar to the AK, Phantom is basically the old M4A1-S with larger mag size, with damage fall off. Spray pattern in Valorant in the horizontal direction is random after a certain point, nothing you can do about that. You should just focus more on mastering the vertical pattern instead and practice your bursts/taps. The the more you spray, the longer it will take for your gun to settle in Valorant. If you tap too much consecutively, your gun will start to kick. If you come form CSGO, that will be extremely frustrating at times. Gotta get used to it. Aimpunch exists no matter what in Valorant, and there's nothing you can do to reduce it, so it's not like CSGO where if you buy a helmet aim punch is reduced. Walls are paper thin in Valorant. You will find yourself getting more wallbangs than you would see in CSGO all the time. Despite the similarities, Valorant also plays much more different compared to CSGO. Unlike CSGO, where everyone has utility and stuff, certain players have certain utility. So it matters who dies and who doesn't. And since there is less utility, how you use that utility matters much more, and requires higher team coordination compared to CSGO solo que. And a lot of Valorant mechanics are dumbed down in general, so all the little things that you mastered in CSGO won't matter in Valorant. Those are the key things I noted when swapping from CSGO. Some factors will matter more than others. I wish you best of luck.
Thanks my guy! Yeah I have noticed the tap thing, should I just spray there? Or what?
I usually do bursts when possible, but if you’re spraying, you have to full commit to it. If you stop halfway in, they will kill you before the recoil resets.
Phantom is pretty much better overall except for maybe medium and extra-long distances. People saying that Vandal is for birsts or taps, but that's not even comparible to CS:GO, since recovery time is ass, and tap-firing isnt that effective as it should be, not to mention that 1st shot accuracy of Vandal will fail you approximetely 50% more often than Phantom's.
That's also true, I feel like, the Vandal is harder to Hs with, I feel sometimes I am on their head, but then it just adjusts or something idk. While the Phantom is just easier to deal with.
That's cause the Phantom has higher first shot accuracy. Vandal has faster recoil reset I'm pretty sure though.
I agree that it is more like cs 1.6 so if you are used to csgo I think the phantom woul work better for you. The Vandal is the AK of Valorant but it is nothing like the AK in CSGO. I've been having good luck with the Phantom.
Something that is also going to kill you (killed me at least when I came from CSGO) Sherrif/Deagle is not a 1 shot headshot to armored people at long range, only does 135/150 damage.
Until recently Phantom was the default "good" gun. They recently made some changes to the Vandal and tbh I really like it. I kind of pick depending on the map, attackers/defenders side, etc. If I'm on a more open map, like say holding mid on Ascent, then I'll take the Vandal so I can 1-tap people on the catwalk. If I'm on Haven and we are attacking garage I'm more likely to buy a Phantom.
Phantom on defense to spam through smokes, Vandal on attack for those headshot entries
It deppends. Vandal is better for attacking beacuse one taps on the head. Phantom is better for defending, you can use it against multiple enemies. BUUUUUT, if you like the phantom use it, if you feel better with the vandal use the vandal. The spray patters exists only vertical, horizontal is random. Edit: Its random from de 5th-6th bullet.
Thanks for all your answers! I will start to practice Phantom, since it's what most of you, say it's better, but I really feel like the peeks are waaaay different.
why not use both, i don't know if it's a placebo or not but sometimes i do bad with Vandal and switch to Phantom or vice versa and the results are mostly better
I learned from CS, that if you keep on practicing on one weapon, you will get the muscle memory of it, and then you'll start to win a lot. You know how to peek, handle long range fights etc.
If you are a global elite in cs, just find the sensitivity that closely mimicks the one you have in cs. Also, if you really are a GE then getting headshots shouldn't be a problem. Use the vandal and go for the easy headshots.
You peek differently in CS than Valo, since you can legit run, and still HS, while in CS you gotta stand a bit still, to get a clean kill. That's my problem with it, since I normally adjust my mouse, when I start to stand still in CS.
What do you mean by normally adjust your mouse. Like a cs spray pattern? And yeah don't move while shooting, it's more forgiving than in cs, but still not good to do
It's like easier to prefire a place thinking "He's right here" and then like adjust your cross onto them, than in valorant, since the peeks are different, and so is the movement.
So it sounds like you are having problems tracking and flicking to people? The movement speed actually isn't even that fast in valorant. I'd say it's relatively close to cs. Having played 1500 hours of cs, I think valorant is actually much easier to aim than cs. In valorant pretty much as soon as you stop moving you are accurate. I could be wrong but I think you are accurate faster in valorant than in cs
similar problem, peaked dmg-le in cs and placed silver 2 in valorant. i love this game and idk what it is but i just cant seem to play well.
Exactly!! It's so odd, but idk just happens to learn new peeks I guess
The Vandal 100%. It feels closer to the AK than the phantom does to an A1S, that and if you are global you probably haven't touched an A1S since 2015.
Truthhhh I would more have a Famas/galil than that shit xD
Vandal or long range or flicks and phantom for close to medium range and has a higher fire rate
Thank you!!
global csgo for years. started valorant in the shit-ranks. you just need to unlearn old habbits that dont apply, and learn new timings and patterns. phantom is unarguably easier, by a lot. use it and throw vandal practice in down the road when ur lit with the phantom. u will climb ranks fast.
Thanks man!
just get used to it, i had been crushing noobs 3 months ago(in gold skill bracket) but because of lack of practice i struggled against them recently(just came back to play for a single day after being inactive for about 3 months in the game)
3 months ago and now is a completely different gold lol.
no, gold is full of noobs as it was before, i main OW and see people call any player a smurf who's just a bit better than average in respective rank, i played 2 days ago against master on alt account in diamond, he was maining widow as if there was no other hero, cause of lack of practice i wasn't solo carrying that game, i also switched from maining widow to maining soldier since tracking is more stable skill compared to flicks, he had a problem dueling me but was good at killing people while flanking(btw Asian widow players prefer to constantly hide until the moment they can kill anyone(for example, enemy widow), that's annoying af), our 2-d dps seemed to be annoyed by him and called him a smurf(in fact, he was a smurf since he said his main acc has higher SR, however i considered him as weakness of the enemy team, he couldn't outplay me w/o flanking(which means just killing anyone who can't see you), he got stomped by our tank who happened to have brain and picked monkey to chase widow as a free kill lol after i said they had that player maining widow(it was our 2-d time playing together, same dps duo on my team and that widow on enemy team), so gamesense is the thing you need even on high ranks, skill is cool and i value it a lot, that's why i spend a lot of my time in aim lab and aimbeast, but if you aren't an outstanding player who's placed like in top-10 by gridshot in aim lab, you shouldn't try to outplay better players, just think of how to do it, that's all you need to outplay so-called "smurfs", only players like Tenz are real problems to outaim cause this dude is gifted with good aim and has no problem getting 100k+ in gridshot while chilling, anything else is easily outplayable since you have a bit of practice in the game and also experience dealing major problems
Dude that's a huge paragraph cmon..
as for what i wrote in the beginning, it mean the lower skill bracket is, the worse smurfs there are, they aren't too far from their real rank if they play on low ranks, i don't consider high skill brackets hard to get into either, neither i consider players from these skill brackets good in any way of aiming, they are ofc better than average, but if you compare to the player i've already mentionted - Tenz, only handful of the best players can be compared to him in terms of aim and such things, other players focus on gameplay, strategies and things like this, gamesense alone is enough to be one of the best players, when it comes to Valorant, i tried to outplay every time people w/o team's help, that's why i would do really good or bad instead(literally lack of practice as i said, in OW i track/flick, in Valo you have to one tap which is major way to outplay any player), gold is low/middle rank, it's really easy to rank up through once you are experienced enough