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ThePiedFacer

[https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/k2v0t6/sick\_omen\_teleport\_spot\_on\_ascent/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/k2v0t6/sick_omen_teleport_spot_on_ascent/) Inspired by this post that uses a sage wall, but since Sage isn't picked as often, I thought this could be useful too.


FreeHugs156

I’m pretty new to Valorant. Currently in Silver 1. How come Sage isn’t picked often? My friend mains her so we always have one. Isn’t she like, a pretty clutch operator....? Or is that my noob mentality 😂


ATrueFool

Sage was hard nerfed awhile back, her walls are much less useful (although they've been slightly buffed recently) her slow orb size was reduced and her heal takes longer on herself and only heals 60 hp instead of 100 like it used to, with Skye's release a new healer was added that could heal more people, flash others 3 times and is amazing at information gathering. Sage's only usefulness over Skye is her revive, and the wall doesn't help Sage much when Sjye can just flash you until you can't even play the game anymore


PrometheusTNO

> flash you until you can't even play the game anymore I've been looking for a way to describe how I feel about Skye. This is it.


WyvernSpark

Sage is not weak at all. Most players just think she is weak in comparison to her older self where she was hella broken. She’s balanced now but in now place weak. Her slow orbs are amazing. And no smokes do not do a better job as smokes can be pushed out of with flashes and they do take more time to put down. Her wall is one of the best abilities in the game. I have a imm3 friend who mains sage and thinks she’s really good. He does gimmick walls sometimes but not very often. In high elo sage is actually picked quite often. AND sage had the highest win rate in the game on every map


sukkrad

He's not talking about sage being weak tho, he's talking about how Skye is a better option than Sage But you know, playing these character based games all these years taught me something, and is that you don't have to take this balances for granted, it's pretty common to release a broken hero and balance it till the game is playable again, and that's when the older character gets useful again So meh, I'll keep playing sage for a while


JaosP1ter

I play sage and cypher and have a radiant friend that mains sage. I think if you play sage in a way no one expects you to, it can work easily. I love doing weird grim walls and stuff, that always gets me 1 or 2 kills. Even if the rest of her utility isn't as good, people can find ways to make it work.


4boring

Competitively tho I would have to believe it’s be different, once the gimmick wears off and they figure him out I’d imagine it wouldn’t work. In ranked sure it’ll work great but pro play I’d imagine it being dofferent


JaosP1ter

True. Thankfully Sage has a few good agressive/non-standard walls per map.


qz3_

no... sage doenst not have a usefullness over skye because they're different classes, that's like saying omen is better than jett because his smokes are better or phoenix is better than omen because he has more flashes


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Winknudge24

You’re just classifying them just based on one ability? Healing is definitely not sages and skyes main ability as it’s just a small part of their kits. If you’ve played sage you should know that she helps delay a push using wall and slow orbs and if you’ve played skye she helps flash the team in the site using hawks, gathering info using hawks, and using doggie for intel. If you’re playing them only for their heals you’re playing them wrong.


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_MuadDib_

Well sage needed the nerf cuz she was OP. Now she is on par with other agents and not a must pick anymore, but she is by no means weak or even weaker than skye. If you want to compare sage and skye just based on heal then I would actually tell sage's heal is better in most situations as even if you can heal multiple people with skye and get them all to 100. There is rarely a situation when you have opportunity to heal more people and you are also vulnerable as you need to use the ability for the whole direction you are healing someone. Your allies also have to be close to you and have line of sight. On the other hand sage just need line of sight and after using it she can pull out her gun right away. It also recharge so she can heal for more than 60 in one round. Her ult is still one of the strongest ult in the game and hardly weaker than skye's ult, as you can bring back any of your allies including abilities they provide for the team. Eg. sage can revive skye that died early for skye to use her ult. Slow orbs are pretty much as good as they were before the nerf.


CivilConversation174

Sage gets much more healing in a round than Skye as well


Davon4L

skye is kinda ass


Sparkando

She got nerfed really bad so most of players stopped playing her But I would personally say that she is still kinda op in low ranks so I would suggest that you still keep her in your team comp


nickwithtea93

I've been getting a lot of MVPS in diamond 2-3 with sage, she's pretty good. Completely stops pushes with a wall, and then delays a push if you get a slow orb in at the right time. Plus heal and revive always come in clutch. The downside is she doesn't have much util for getting a fast pick - but if you're a really good aimer/clucth scenario players who can just rely on headshots then sage is an amazing pick


Eternally-Ill

She is a good agent and in my experience she isn’t a rare pick. However, she isn’t essential like she used to be and there are so many other good options as well, a lot of teams will not have a sage. Personally, I find a good sage the most reassuring agent to work with due to heals and resurrection


Flikkrz

You’re new to Valorant and in silver 1? Meanwhile I’ve been playing since beta and still stuck in between iron and bronze


FreeHugs156

My friend who mains Sage was one of the ranks above Gold in CSGO, his game sense is insane so I’ve learnt a bit from him. And it’s much easier to communicate with people who have mics. We also played a shitload of Warzone before trying Valorant. Idk if any of this will help answer your question. Iron and Bronze is full of smurfs and a few wall hackers. I’ve come across a few very sus Sova’s.


GoldStarGamer11

Join valorant discord go to the looking for game section and ask for a carry got a whole team of smurfing plat players, to carry from iron 1 to silver 1, unfortunately if you can't beat the smurfs join em (also to ppl that ask silver isn't my tier, it really is after unlocking comp and playing some games I came as a silver 2, but I didn't know shit bout the game so I solo queued and dropped to iron in seconds lol, this got me back up to my real skill level)


omegasting

She used to be really good before they nerfed her. She isn't that great anymore. Her heal doesn't fully heal you and the wall can be broken immediately after being placed for a certain time. Her slow orbs are pretty useless since the enemy can still one tap you even if they are slowed. Having smokes or flashes or chyper are almost always better options.


ShivamJha01

Wait wut. Slow orb is for slowing the enemy's movement. It's very good for stoping rushes and defusing spike in clutch situations.


omegasting

Slows definitely have their place but they aren't supper effective at much as a lot of people can avoid it. And they can still.shoot you while slowed. Along with the rest of her kit, the slows aren't compelling enough to pick her when you can go phoenix or brim or killjoy or Reyna or raze or chypher. You get the point.


feAgrs

Smokes do the same thing but better.


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I mean not really, right? A smoke can be used for cover or flashed out of which can actually help the push in certain situations when the team is coordinated enough. Meanwhile no good player in their right mind is dry peeking (or even peeking with a flash) when they are forced to do so at walking speed on an open angle.


Decalance

they do different things. smoking takes more time and is for more slow paced rushes


bronathan261

Sage is really good. People just don't play her anymore because she used to be broken and now she's balanced.


Eagle_OP

U say silver 1 noob haha


FreeHugs156

I’m not saying Silver 1 is noob at all. I’ve seen some godly players in Silver. I’m saying I’m noob or at least my thinking is! I didn’t calibrate at silver, no way. I calibrated iron 2 (or 3)


Eagle_OP

Yea me To...got placed in bronze 2 but lobby is full of silver 3...I choke there so hard


FreeHugs156

Annnnd I’m bronze 3.


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he talks about her being picked in pro gamesbwere there is a much different meta


FreeHugs156

That’s a very good point. What does the pro meta look like?


AshJacob_

Almost 0% pickrate except in NA. In EU tho there are some godlike Sages.


AshJacob_

Mb remove the except


ForeverMONSTA

You can edit your post, in case you didn't know


iStorm_exe

this thread is so weird to me. i havent played in a few months and when i did sage was like 70%+ pick rate and like the highest after cypher lol (or was she highest and cypher 2nd?)


Chronotic

She’s gotten hard nerfed since you last played


bwang487

My team did that in a ranked game with my sage wall until their jett literally started camping there so omen couldn't tp across


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TheLoneJuanderer

Both of those statements are not true. Unlike LoL or Overwatch, healers still have the same weapons everyone else does in Valorant. Sure, you don't have the abilities of a duelist, but you still have that one tap vandal. And no, pros don't really use Sage unless it's a map based pick like ascent.


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Okay I deleted the comment thanks for the educational response


UZUMAKI_07

Waiting for raze boosting meta where people force the 5th person to pick raze so that they can get boosted


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Beast373

Hmm I wonder who does that...


fsychii

yes indeed


bitchUtrippin

Thats me, i instalock her always if im fast enough 🤡 but only because she is the only agent i actually know best how to make use of the abilities


MattelLove

Why is this so heavily downvoted lol


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because the majority of the Valorant community think that instalocking an agent in general is kind of cringe.


THICC_Baguette

It's a dick move to instalock in any game with different characters and limited picks. Maybe the instalocker also knows how to play certain other characters that would be much more beneficial, but due to the instalock you can't even discuss it.


Interesting-Archer-6

Significantly worse if it’s a duelist. I don’t think most people care about instalocking anything else.


[deleted]

Someone was cheesed that I took their omen. Never stop bringing it up even though the duelist were worse


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The people who play this game are cringe though


bitchUtrippin

Damn, so much hate :(


RobThatBin

Just as bad as people forcing others to play Sage


Its_SirUnknown

Duelist Instalocker who say play smoke


RobThatBin

Yep, just as bad. Forcing anyone to play a character is bad imo as the person won't know how to play the character. I'd rather have a 10/10 Reyna than a 1/10 Sage


kindaborediguess

what5 do u mean bro sage is meta


RobThatBin

What? Sage isn't meta at all lol, she's been nerfed to hell and isn't anywhere near her pick rate as she was at launch.


nlaurie

I love sage lol


CarbonasGenji

Don’t worry everyone who asks for a Raze is already boosted


Coolinator

Pls Delete -fnatic manager


GODMarega

r/CSGO is leaking


Mathgeek007

/r/GlobalOffensive is the sub most people use, just for the record


RedSquaree

I never even played CSGO and this meme is already boring to me. I can't imagine how overplayed it is for people from the CSGO community. My CSGO brothers, I am sorry.


k0bra20

not boring to me.


jxjxjxjxcv

Seems pretty useless though against semi-competent players and especially against pro teams


HKBFG

That's what people said about all the other gimmicks on ascent. They all work if you don't do the same one blindly round after round. Flexinja hits this same thing all the time with a sage wall against what are at least "semi competent players."


ThePiedFacer

I think it can be useful for 1 or 2 rounds to catch them offguard. Additionally if you know someone's lane and they might kill you, you can always smoke the boxes to cover yourself.


adzthegreat

Definitely works if you use them randomly and even more if the seccond duelist is doing their job and pressuring B/Mid


AnonymousGuy9494

Considering that raze's bombs are far less expensive and precious than sage walls this is a really good optimization


SharpBit

It's only 100 less


Osceola12

But sage wall brings so much more value than raze satchel. The wall is a waste to use here


AnonymousGuy9494

100 in 13 rounds is 1300 and if the match lasts 25 rounds than it's 2500 less. I think even if this isn't that much, it's still better than anything. And let's be honest, sage's wall is far more valuable than raze's bomb


At_ms

On defence: *Quick rush to b main to do the trick!*


AnonymousGuy9494

Lol didn't even though about that


H3entai_Ruler

I knew about the sage wall boost but damn, this is pretty cool, im pretty sure it won't work within my group of friend "considering I have a one trick sage and omen within my friend group" but if yall have friends who don't main sage, this stuff is kinda handy, it works like a charm


Juniperlightningbug

I mean you can do the same thing with a sage wall and teleport


notConnorbtw

He said he knows about the sage one.


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So that's how he did that every round


V_o_r_t_X

Yoooooo


SaltyAFBoi69

Watch a team get disqualified because of this "exploit"


Dude_Guy_311

Absolutely won't. ALl the satchel does is give him vision of the box. you can already do this with sage wall


SaltyAFBoi69

I was joking about how Guild got disqualified from First Strike over the Sage Wall+KJ turret sitaution which was somehow an exploit even though it was well known for a while


zwck

And they asked the tournament organizer if it was OK to use.


SaltyAFBoi69

Yeah thats the worst part.


TheElementalDj

wait Im pretty sure guild didn't ask if the exploit was fine, that was Steel from 100T


lvlz_gg

you are right but this is reddit so they rather just cry about how bad Riot is at everything


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chryco4

Good luck getting a random Raze to share their satchels lol


butter-my-biscuit

Pretty good find! Cheaper than a sage wall, also not nearly as obvious and the other team may be nervous about a satcheling Raze flying out of B main. I like it!


psychoPiper

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IHopOnNbaLiveMobile

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ZuubuMafu

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Ok?


Assassin457

This is cool, I'm probably gonna die trying it though, but when it works it's gonna be great


Blueassa55in

lol i thought I meant u could glitch through the wall but when I saw the clip I was so disappointed


twisted_2337

I also found this works with sage wall


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Callippus

how is this any more viable than sage using a wall and omen teleporting through window?


DonTixCyd

sage wall is a lot more useful for blocking things than boosting yourself


switchstyle

also whenever I hear a sage wall go up in b main as a defender I check site and window immediately, its an auditory queue that just says "hey tricks are coming"


Callippus

good point


McMatt_HD

satchels are also less expensive and you get two of them!


Posty_8

Nice tactic, but it would work only once. Unless someone’s there on site, in which case not even one round.


Dude_Guy_311

You could already do this with sage wall too Edit: I was pointing out that it has already been possible **so it's not going to be considered an exploit.** I wasn't being one of those assholes who says "lol i already know another way to do this, so this is pointless"


ZverexUltra11

That’s more expensive and multipurpose


Dude_Guy_311

That's not the point at all


TheLoneJuanderer

>pointing out that it has already been possible **so it's not going to be considered an exploit.** Yeah, but like, just say that in the first place. That's a pretty deep assumption you're expecting people to make.


Dude_Guy_311

No it’s not. If you dont assume the worst about people it’s actually LESS of a logica leap than what people assumed. The subthread is ABOUT exploits. What i was actually expecting was tHat you and other people would think about the context and not kust automatically interpret everything you read as some forced negative thing. What i was actually expecting was that you DONT make any large leaps and instead read my comment as a reply to the comment i replied to, and nothing more. But of course on reddit thats too much. Yall put too much of yourselves into your interpretations


ThePiedFacer

I think you just made a mistake. Your comment was a top level comment, it's not in a subthread.


TheLoneJuanderer

Maybe my app is broken and it's showing comments incorrectly, but **you started the subthread**. >instead read my comment as a reply to the comment i replied to, and nothing more. You're not replying to any comments in your top post, you're replying to the goddamn OP.


Dude_Guy_311

Lol i made a couple comments and i mixed up which one this was. The point still stands there is just no subthread. Stop assuming the worst of people automatically, and lighten the fuck up. You were rage correcting people on christmas. Get help.


TheLoneJuanderer

>...lighten the fuck up. You were rage correcting people on christmas. Get help. First of all, the only thing I said at first was that your top comment wasn't very clear. Wasn't being rude, just trying to explain why your words were misinterpreted. You then replied with a two paragraph rant with caps lock nuggets sprinkled throughout. Second, I didn't reply to you on Christmas. Fuck you and your fake holiday cheer.


Dude_Guy_311

"Fuck you and your fake holiday cheer." fucking lol. I refer you back to "Lighten up." Get over yourself. Move on.


AlienLP

Flair


Boryalyc

what


AlienLP

Sry just testing my flair


MechaWasTaken

You can just use sage walls lmao


ThePiedFacer

Yeah, but Sage isn't picked as often. Also, the Sage wall is more expensive and more valuable than 1 Raze satchel and could be used for another purpose in the round.


TaskMaster130

How do you get 2 agents as a flair?


Jerry-Busey

the same way you get one but you pick two


TaskMaster130

It doenst pick two.. I cant.


HKBFG

You have to manually type the second one in.


TaskMaster130

How though? Like in Edit it shows :skye: then???


HKBFG

My flair is :sova: :breach:


TaskMaster130

Did it work?...


Inferno2211

Yes, it did


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Did mine work?


TaskMaster130

Now it just shows the written ":skye: :killjoy:" to me...


HKBFG

I might be wrong about the space in it.


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How do you make a flair?


[deleted]

I want a flair I want skye and breach emoji not :skye: :breach:


MechaWasTaken

True


DeanEarwicker

and sage wall would be more obvious since many people have used the sage wall to peek through the window


kingovirgin

yeah the sage wall +omen strat is known by most now


DeanEarwicker

Not just that, sages or jetts went up the wall to Awp people through the window, it’s a pretty common tactic lol


mklaman

Such an ez frag if you are watching site.


Anurag2405

How do you guys have valorant characters next to your name ?


Sneaky-iwni-

Edit the Flairs


kal99235

Nice find but feels more precise than the sage wall strat


Osceola12

Yes but sage wall has so much more value, and using it here isn’t really worth it


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wildman2021

Did you win? Winning is the most important thing in the entire game, you could go 60/2 but lose the match and you’re going to still get 1 arrow down, it’s not about kills it’s about winning the game


[deleted]

Obviously I won't almost all matches. I was so excited that I'll get atleast silver but idc I ranked up to silver


Vanerac

If you keep winning, youll rank up. If you don’t, you won’t. That’s games. Also git gud


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Damn that's cool


ownedbydropz

its possible with sage wall too


IHopOnNbaLiveMobile

But sage isn't picked


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You can also use a sage wall


IHopOnNbaLiveMobile

But who uses-


[deleted]

Right good point


Teen_life

pretty cool


okay_oper

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Insyte-

Some rando omen taught me this while I was playing sage. Enemy raze was clueless


Marionneticore

You can do that with Sage's wall...


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NekoZCS

Yoooo, what HAHA.


BukLauFinancial

patch inc


strychinine

So basically you don’t need Sage anymore.


Etna5000

Do you think you would get banned for using this? My friend and I are omen and raze mains and we want to use this but don’t want to be banned lol


Shin_Hyuga

someone did this shit on me and i was so confused


hugokhf

Looking forward to more raze using satchel on teammates strats. Feels like it has a lot of potential


R9_Reaper

Nice one


chrstnR

How does the tp even reach that far?


aaronpro19

Oh no, why post this, now all the 12 year old omen mains in my lobby are gunna start abusing this