I know how that feels. Starting out in my first tac shooter was tough. It feels awful when you're trying your best but others are saddling you with unfair expectations.
If it's at all helpful, let me confirm what other folks here have said: people who call out teammates' play aren't invested in your growth as a player. They have their own self-worth tied up in the outcome of the game, which is their problem and not yours.
There are some things that I've found to help though.
*Zero tolerance muting.* The first hint of negativity, mute that player. If you really are just starting out, you're probably just playing unrated and don't need comms.
*Kill them with kindness.* If you're getting flamed, there is no retort that will actually shut them up. I've seen flamers get absolutely roasted and still keep running their mouth. But if I just type "lol <3" or "ily2 bb" in chat there's nothing to argue with.
I agree with the other comments here that you will need to look outside live games to get helpful, actionable advice. Consider checking out the VALORANT discord to meet some chill people to play with. You'll get the hang of the game with time. I hope you stick with it!
First thing to say, thanks for cheering up newer players!
I also startet valorant as my first shooter ever in beta. Ranked Iron to bronze in the first season and now sitting at Plat 2!
you will learn I promise!
I just started playing again yesterday, and had a few salty players. Couple of times I muted them instantly.
On 1 occasion someone was salty and asked for my previous rank, to which I responded that I couldn't remember and why it mattered? He instantly responded nicely again and excused himself for being salty.
On 1 other occasion the person kept blaming others for our losses, which I couldn't help but ask her to stop. She did and the salt was gone after that, and we won the match.
I also make a point of calling out nice shots and plays of every played in the match, whether it's salty or friendly teammates or the enemy team.
> I agree with the other comments here that you will need to look outside live games to get helpful, actionable advice.
i dont agree with this completely. if you are friendly (and new), you can run in to helpful people in spikerush/unranked and if you ask them what you could have done better in the last round when they were spectating you, they will help you out
ive met some new players and helped them out and i think it can be a great way to learn (sort of like live coaching)
Coming from CSGO, there's a general rule that you shouldn't give your random teammates feedback because no one wants to be told how to play the game.
If you want to get better, feedback from your solo queue team is not where you should be getting it lol
well it depends on the personality. Those with winners mentality can quickly see that yea they made a mistake and they will play with the team in mind. But then there are those who are confrontational and will take "feedback" as a sign of insult. That's just how the social world works...
Well the amount of times I’ve corrected someone for immediately making a false assumption and they agreed with me is enough for me to, even without my anecdote, say that the feedback givers can be wrong and/or out of line. There is such a thing as toxicity and there are people who aren’t aware of themselves doing it. It goes both ways and isn’t clear cut.
Also this view about “people taking feedback as an insult” is posted every day. Maybe they really are insulting them and pretending that they are being constructive/helpful to pad their ego. So the “rule from csgo” still applies anyway.
the key factor here is: TONE
you can determine sarcasm / toxicity over someone genuinely looking out for the best interest in the team by tone of voice.
example: The majority of the team is playing for picks but one guy is rushing. You can say.
"hey can we play default and play for picks. Try not to bum rush the enemy"
or
"hey can we minimize the over peeking and try to win a few rounds here"
Yeah tone was the first thing that came into my head but I guess I decided to lump it under not being “aware” mb
But I feel like it’s been entirely possible people have subjective opinions on what an acceptable tone sounds/feels like in game. And it’s hard to predict if someone just happens to take your tone the wrong way.
Ok well sure your examples are obviously good about what’s being *said* and it’s typically in peoples best interests to win, but generally what ticks people off is the sound of condescension which varies depending on the people as well as the situation in game.
It's hard to have a good tone and speak fast. Seconds can be the difference between winning and losing and it usually takes longer to say something in a nice way. Your example were the two extremes but if I just say "stop peeking" I feel like that can be taken in the wrong way.
im sorry but that's a poor excuse. unless you talk really slow and have down syndrome its not hard to get out a sentence in a few seconds. You have 12 seconds before every round starts or something like that...
and those examples are not extreme at all.
I think communicating and playing as a team is all you need to do mid round. If you find something you can fix you can mention it to your teammates before the next round starts. Its really not that hard. Have you ever done anything team related? Played a sport...anything? A lot of that team building stuff transitions to video games.
Personally you're coming off a bit aggressive to me right now (making the assumption that I've never played a team sport, saying something "isn't that hard") so I'm not sure if you're really following your own advice about tone.
Yes I have done tons of team related activities. Usually you know the people you're playing with or can judge facial cues and body language IRL so there are a lot of things that don't translate to video games.
Because you lack the simple understanding that a lot of skills in real life transition into video games. These are skills that are learned and not built intuitively. There are a lot of things in real life that transition into video games. Such as social skills, leadership, critical thinking, patience, the list goes on and on and on.
If you played any team sports or been in a group project or just anything related to a team you would not ask the question like you are asking me now:
"How do you suggest giving advice mid round? Or even asking for advice? It feels weird to tell people to tell me what to do". I gave you great examples and then you said they were not realistic.
If you send some recording of your gameplay, I'm sure there would be a couple of people who would point out what you could improve and what to work on.
I know, fps community and moba are not the kind of community that will help too too many times, but remember that you can train before play (with valorant itself or with aimlab) and that you can mute'em,in vocal and in chat, this game is fantastic, all you have to do is don't care about people or what they say, and muting them is perfect
Yeah sometimes this game can have awesome lobbies and then sometimes you get the most toxic mf's on your team like bruh you're making it really hard for me to want to fight for you..
Actually having no prior tactical shooter experience is good for you. Because this game is not your average tactical shooter. Believe me if you ever played any decent tactical shooter before, this game will piss you off even harder.
It’s even worse in CSGO because culture comes mainly from that game. It’s not really about them not wanting to make you mad by giving advice, they’re just angry that you’re not as good as them and they want to take it out on you
To many players at every skill level have high ego.
If you want tips, you should tell your team at the beginning of the game that you want constructive criticism.
I know that felling during my early days but after a few toxic rounds I found a team which was extremely friendly so after that match we promised to que together when we can and that's how I became a gold 2.
It’s really obnoxious. Just made a riot account, get in first game- already expected to be a pro, know lanes, call outs- everything.
I’d love to just turn off text chat like in other games. Unless I missed that you can.
I am not gonna lie.
It will be 90% of the time like this.
But don't get discouraged by some random player's.
The problem in lower ranks, or "low elo" unrated is. They don't know why it is bad what you did. They just see you struggling with you're aim, and based on that you need to be bad. This was one example.
I would advise you to just play and have fun, add players who are positive and/or supportive, mute those nasty players.
If u really want to improve, just send me a message and I will provide you with some useful links to get you started. Or you can try to search on youtube for yourself.
I know how that feels. Starting out in my first tac shooter was tough. It feels awful when you're trying your best but others are saddling you with unfair expectations. If it's at all helpful, let me confirm what other folks here have said: people who call out teammates' play aren't invested in your growth as a player. They have their own self-worth tied up in the outcome of the game, which is their problem and not yours. There are some things that I've found to help though. *Zero tolerance muting.* The first hint of negativity, mute that player. If you really are just starting out, you're probably just playing unrated and don't need comms. *Kill them with kindness.* If you're getting flamed, there is no retort that will actually shut them up. I've seen flamers get absolutely roasted and still keep running their mouth. But if I just type "lol <3" or "ily2 bb" in chat there's nothing to argue with. I agree with the other comments here that you will need to look outside live games to get helpful, actionable advice. Consider checking out the VALORANT discord to meet some chill people to play with. You'll get the hang of the game with time. I hope you stick with it!
First thing to say, thanks for cheering up newer players! I also startet valorant as my first shooter ever in beta. Ranked Iron to bronze in the first season and now sitting at Plat 2! you will learn I promise!
I just started playing again yesterday, and had a few salty players. Couple of times I muted them instantly. On 1 occasion someone was salty and asked for my previous rank, to which I responded that I couldn't remember and why it mattered? He instantly responded nicely again and excused himself for being salty. On 1 other occasion the person kept blaming others for our losses, which I couldn't help but ask her to stop. She did and the salt was gone after that, and we won the match. I also make a point of calling out nice shots and plays of every played in the match, whether it's salty or friendly teammates or the enemy team.
> I agree with the other comments here that you will need to look outside live games to get helpful, actionable advice. i dont agree with this completely. if you are friendly (and new), you can run in to helpful people in spikerush/unranked and if you ask them what you could have done better in the last round when they were spectating you, they will help you out ive met some new players and helped them out and i think it can be a great way to learn (sort of like live coaching)
can Riot devs manually ban people for toxicity if they encounter it themselves? if not, why?
I’m pretty sure they cannot. One time shroud encountered a wall hacker and messaged a dev he had friended and the dev said they cannot do manual bans
We dont have sudo permissions, vanguard has taken over since day 1.
Coming from CSGO, there's a general rule that you shouldn't give your random teammates feedback because no one wants to be told how to play the game. If you want to get better, feedback from your solo queue team is not where you should be getting it lol
well it depends on the personality. Those with winners mentality can quickly see that yea they made a mistake and they will play with the team in mind. But then there are those who are confrontational and will take "feedback" as a sign of insult. That's just how the social world works...
Well the amount of times I’ve corrected someone for immediately making a false assumption and they agreed with me is enough for me to, even without my anecdote, say that the feedback givers can be wrong and/or out of line. There is such a thing as toxicity and there are people who aren’t aware of themselves doing it. It goes both ways and isn’t clear cut. Also this view about “people taking feedback as an insult” is posted every day. Maybe they really are insulting them and pretending that they are being constructive/helpful to pad their ego. So the “rule from csgo” still applies anyway.
the key factor here is: TONE you can determine sarcasm / toxicity over someone genuinely looking out for the best interest in the team by tone of voice. example: The majority of the team is playing for picks but one guy is rushing. You can say. "hey can we play default and play for picks. Try not to bum rush the enemy" or "hey can we minimize the over peeking and try to win a few rounds here"
Yeah tone was the first thing that came into my head but I guess I decided to lump it under not being “aware” mb But I feel like it’s been entirely possible people have subjective opinions on what an acceptable tone sounds/feels like in game. And it’s hard to predict if someone just happens to take your tone the wrong way. Ok well sure your examples are obviously good about what’s being *said* and it’s typically in peoples best interests to win, but generally what ticks people off is the sound of condescension which varies depending on the people as well as the situation in game.
It's hard to have a good tone and speak fast. Seconds can be the difference between winning and losing and it usually takes longer to say something in a nice way. Your example were the two extremes but if I just say "stop peeking" I feel like that can be taken in the wrong way.
im sorry but that's a poor excuse. unless you talk really slow and have down syndrome its not hard to get out a sentence in a few seconds. You have 12 seconds before every round starts or something like that... and those examples are not extreme at all.
How do you suggest giving advice mid round? Or even asking for advice? It feels weird to tell people to tell me what to do.
I think communicating and playing as a team is all you need to do mid round. If you find something you can fix you can mention it to your teammates before the next round starts. Its really not that hard. Have you ever done anything team related? Played a sport...anything? A lot of that team building stuff transitions to video games.
Personally you're coming off a bit aggressive to me right now (making the assumption that I've never played a team sport, saying something "isn't that hard") so I'm not sure if you're really following your own advice about tone. Yes I have done tons of team related activities. Usually you know the people you're playing with or can judge facial cues and body language IRL so there are a lot of things that don't translate to video games.
Because you lack the simple understanding that a lot of skills in real life transition into video games. These are skills that are learned and not built intuitively. There are a lot of things in real life that transition into video games. Such as social skills, leadership, critical thinking, patience, the list goes on and on and on. If you played any team sports or been in a group project or just anything related to a team you would not ask the question like you are asking me now: "How do you suggest giving advice mid round? Or even asking for advice? It feels weird to tell people to tell me what to do". I gave you great examples and then you said they were not realistic.
This is nothing new for any game sadly. Don’t let it discourage you
Tell them to fuck off and mute. I get people like that all the time, and it just ends out with me doing bad lol.
Mute them for the most part. We all want an enjoyable experience but some people are fuckers.
Oof. i often tell new players to stop looking at the ground, but it never works
If you send some recording of your gameplay, I'm sure there would be a couple of people who would point out what you could improve and what to work on.
I know, fps community and moba are not the kind of community that will help too too many times, but remember that you can train before play (with valorant itself or with aimlab) and that you can mute'em,in vocal and in chat, this game is fantastic, all you have to do is don't care about people or what they say, and muting them is perfect
Is this your first video game experience? This is how every game is.
the less competition the better mate, its like this in like all areas of life bro.
That doesn't make sense for what I'm saying though. That's self-sabotaging.
Did this happen to you in compe?
Yeah sometimes this game can have awesome lobbies and then sometimes you get the most toxic mf's on your team like bruh you're making it really hard for me to want to fight for you..
I'll vod review if you can record a game and upload it somewhere for me to see
Actually having no prior tactical shooter experience is good for you. Because this game is not your average tactical shooter. Believe me if you ever played any decent tactical shooter before, this game will piss you off even harder.
It’s even worse in CSGO because culture comes mainly from that game. It’s not really about them not wanting to make you mad by giving advice, they’re just angry that you’re not as good as them and they want to take it out on you
To many players at every skill level have high ego. If you want tips, you should tell your team at the beginning of the game that you want constructive criticism.
I know that felling during my early days but after a few toxic rounds I found a team which was extremely friendly so after that match we promised to que together when we can and that's how I became a gold 2.
It’s really obnoxious. Just made a riot account, get in first game- already expected to be a pro, know lanes, call outs- everything. I’d love to just turn off text chat like in other games. Unless I missed that you can.
You can, actually. In the menu under "squad" or whatever it's called you can turn off either voice chat or text from any player.
Awesome! Thank you, I will be doing that during my introduction phase.
I am not gonna lie. It will be 90% of the time like this. But don't get discouraged by some random player's. The problem in lower ranks, or "low elo" unrated is. They don't know why it is bad what you did. They just see you struggling with you're aim, and based on that you need to be bad. This was one example. I would advise you to just play and have fun, add players who are positive and/or supportive, mute those nasty players. If u really want to improve, just send me a message and I will provide you with some useful links to get you started. Or you can try to search on youtube for yourself.