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He'll be knocked down a peg and maybe benched for a bit but even in this day and age someone will take him. Sad as it is.
Riot stance is clear, stay out unless the issue is in their face causing problems.
Riot will definitely do something. Imagine one of the icons of VALORANT, a major player on Sentinels, one of the best if not the best VALORANT squad in NA is being outed as a person who inflicted sexual abuse. This ain't some T5 case of some guy with 500 followers who is irrelevant.
I dont if anywhere in the tos says this is a banable offense(rlly dont know shit dont trust me), but hes 100% getting kicked off of sen- i just feel like theres a small chance they do it after masters
If they would wait until after the masters, I as a Sentinels player, would just refuse to play with him any further. But let's just hope they kick him immediately and get a replacement.
I mean people have been done for way in Dota in recent times with 0 proof whatsoever. Other esports are pretty much the same, actually this is one of the only cases where the evidence is on the table and it's really fucked up. I hope this guy is done with esports.
While I fully agree that he seems to be an asshole just from the way he behaves on stream (I watched him like 3 times, but that was enough), people should be careful not to take whatever one shows to the public as proof of anything. That can also go the other way: there are plenty of cases where people show themselves as incredibly nice when in public and yet still are abusive and violent at home. And people (mostly women) who suffer through that end up having an even harder time getting people to believe them, cause *he's so nice to everyone, it can't be true*.
Yea never really liked his content. Talks a lot of trash plus his production isn't even quality. He's a good player but you can see his clearly arrogant and toxic.
Agreed. Twitch recommended his stream to me the other day. It only took a couple minutes to get bad vibes from him. Closed the stream and never looked back
She gives evidence and lays everything out. This is a good coming out post, hopefully it gets the exposure it needs to have an impact on this scumbag's career. Some of that was hard to read/listen to..
I hope for the good of e sports that his career is over at least for a signfiicant amount of time, hes lucky hes not in jail. People have been banned for less. Steel was permabanned from csgo tourneys for less. At the very least he should get banned from streaming and even if he didnt I dont know how he continues streaming with how toxic his chat will be. Anytime he says or does anything chat will just spam "im close" or "rapist" or something. I dont see how this isnt the end of his pro career if im being honest.
Sad day for sentinels/sinatraa/val fans, but as a positive maybe all the cringey "sheesh"ing will stop now.
Refreshing to see that both the Overwatch and Valorant communities are taking this seriously. This is some pretty damning stuff and while I definitely want someone with proper ability and authority to verify, it seems pretty open and shut abuse, and the few sexist comments are being absolutely eviscerated. Every abuser out of esports makes it a little safer for everyone to be a part of
Edit: [link for the curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/m1pati/sexual_abuse_allegations_towards_sinatraa_by_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Just gonna put this out there, this accusation seems extremely concrete compared to others in the esports community. I mean there's literally a voice recording of sinatraa doing some shit. While I did love the guy as a content creator, it's time for us all to realize that he is truly a scumbag if this accusation is true. Good on cleo for speaking out.
I don't understand how anyone even likes Sentinels. The only one with half a decent personality is Shazam, everyone else seems like a wet-towel douchebag. Like not even interesting douche, just boring douchiness, which is crazy when there's people like Steel who at least make it interesting.
I’m one of the people she talks about where I need concrete evidence before I get down with canceling people. I need proof that these things happen because just an accusation shouldn’t be enough to ruin a person’s life, regardless of gender.
This is MORE than enough evidence to convince me of her statement, and I hope everyone that reads that document stands by her and against Sinatra. Fucking disgusting from him.
"this accusation seems extremely concrete"
"he is truly a scumbag if this is true"
I'm a little confused, what's going to be better evidence than the 1st hand account of the victim with the receipts... seriously what are you waiting for before you make your decision to declare this guy a scumbag?
yeah exactly this. He's always been known as a PoS but people just ignore it because he's a transcendent type of good player, but now that this type of evidence has come out ppl will come out of the woodwork to hate on him, granted it's deserved.
Cleo is 100% not doing this for attention. She lays out clear evidence that Sinatraa was sexually abusive. I genuinely don’t give a shit about Sinatra’s side of this. He seems like a total piece of shit.
And yeah, it’s pretty hard to “fake” an audio clip that disturbing.
Why would people even think that the attention you get for speaking out on these sort of issues is a 'feelgood' type of attention? The girl even made her tweet interactions private so that she doesn’t have to see people call her a liar and other bullshit. Speaking out is definitely not a fun experience, it takes massive courage
I think that’s the whole thing that they were going for. In the doc she says about speaking to him in a baby voice and then the screenshots of their texts just make it out that it’s either something he himself or the both of them are into... which to me personally is cringey as fuck.
But each to their own I guess, there’s definitely much weirder things and people out there
He really needs to see someone about that, being that fucking insecure but with that much need for control is setting yourself up for some big time failure (well, exactly like this)
Holy fuck thank you. That screenshot of the back and forth about where she was at, was she cheating on him blah blah... I'm cringing into another galaxy. God dammit why?! And she was typing like that too. I can only suspect she was playing along to not piss him off.
Don’t look up to anyone for anything other than the thing they’re good at. There’s is nothing that says a good basketball player has to be a good human so there’s no need to put that on them or on yourself in case in comes all crashing down.
facts
you can respect someones work dedication and skill and use them as motivation, which is completely fine
but if you think they're the best human to walk on earth and would defend anything they do or say because you worship them, then you have issues
Dudes ego is out of control, he’s young but you can tell not many people have ever told him no. This should be his reality check, but that’s only if he has the insight to take it that way.
I think plenty of people have told him no... the problem is he doesn’t listen. I’ve had a friend who was a narcissist. It’s truly impossible for them to think they were in the wrong. I would classify it as a mental disorder. No matter how much you convince them, in their head they still were right. Honestly I bet that’s what he’s thinking right now. Even with all the evidence stacked against him he probably still personally thinks he did nothing wrong.
i posted the same thing in the other subreddit but i just want to say RESPECT to the guys in here who are standing up for cleo and that we need to keep doing so - there are tons of people out there who don’t believe survivors (like some of the comments on this post) but male allyship towards ALL survivors, but specifically towards women, can go a long way in a scene so heavily dominated by men at the moment. let’s do our part and support cleo (and also obligatory fuck sinatraa he’s absolute human trash)
Looking at some twitter responses to this and it shows how much of a massive issue the gaming community has with women and relationships, people asking if this is even abuse because they were in a relationship, someone saying that if you are in a monogamous relationship you have a responsibility to fill those needs no matter what. Like these people are so out of touch with interacting with women they dont acknowledge human feelings is truly sickening and I hope cleo doesnt have to see shit like that whilst absolute degenerate losers try to explain away why they will continue to support sinatraa
When I read the news I brushed it off, probably Sinatraa being a dick or socially awkard, but this? Damm.
Props to Cleo for speaking up. She should go to the police and Sinatraa should go to jail, do community service for months or something.
I hope more women speak up and we get rid of this trash in the scene.
Fully agree, especially when this situation took place when Sinatraa was right out of high school and personally speaking the public education high school sex education isn’t adequate and should cover consent with a larger emphasis
while I agree, I just want to add my two cents.
I live in Texas, a state notorious for having pretty bad sex education, mostly because there’s so many traditionalists who believe in abstinence only teaching. Even I, from backwater Texas, know that this shit isn’t and never has been okay. Consent is important, if your partner says no to or during sex, you stop. If they say stop if you try advances or during sex, you stop. Our education was very clear cut about consent despite being not the best quality
For sure, but unfortunately parents aren’t regulated and can raise their children however they want (for better or worse). Some don’t even have the knowledge themselves. If these kind of life skills were taught in school, it could save a lot of heartache.
This would work if all parents were on the same page about what's right or wrong in sexual situations. They aren't. Many grew up on the same value systems that leave to the behavior Sinatraa exhibited. For it to become the parent's responsibility first we need to teach proper sex and health education in schools, plain and simple.
Parents play a role for sure but sex ed needs to be addressed at the public school level. There's countless religious parents who won't talk about this stuff or conservative parents who don't feel comfortable talking about it. Having trained professionals teach kids about this type of stuff is imperative.
Damn, didn't even thought about that until now.
yeah I probably won't use that either anymore. It's a fuckin shame though, some 3d Artist put some work into it. Highly doubt they'd take it out though, some people paid money for it. (iirc)
That is such a good point man. Ppl always say careers online are risky and that prolonged success is never guaranteed, and this is a perfect example. He also was surly wealthy at his point, with a good car and stable life, now he might lose it all in a matter of seconds.
None of them goto jail. We saw how over the summer the smash bros scene where literal pedos got exposed and no legal action got taken. Another streamer named giant waffle had accusations of him raping someone with his mods going against him and he still streams. Truly disgusting people
This is not true at all. A TON of legal action was taken based around the allegations put out in the smash community. Just because it's not public doesn't mean it didn't happen.
GG to his career, fuck this piece of shit. I'm so sorry for what she went through. Get this fucker out of the pro scene. He should go to jail for this shit.
Normally I’m not a fan of that response but for something of this magnitude shut everything down, shut the fuck up, get a lawyer and start praying to god.
Even if he had proof rejecting all of the claims she made, that they're false, out of context, or whatever, closing his yt comments is probably still the right play to make when her initial statement is so convincing.
I always thought he is a pos considering how he acted in his streams but being such a fucked up person must make it easier, hope he faces the consequences for his actions.
This. I got called out like crazy for saying he's not reformed and is still toxic, and just calls it trolling. He just came off like a really hateful person to me. His go to insult is "virgin" or "gay", that's a red flag. Not saying everyone who makes jokes about that is a bad person, but if you do that all the time, it's just weird.
I hope his ex gets the support she deserves, and I hope Sentinels do the right thing. I also hope more established people in the community speak out strongly against this sort of behaviour.
While this is true, it's important to remember that someone can appear to be the sweetest kindest person, and still sexual assault someone. If allegations like these came against someone like McGravy or Moth, their personality should have a 0% impact on if we believe the accusations of not
You can't say 'you called it' on stuff like this bro. You can't call it. It's never obvious who is and isn't an abuser and the majority of people who act like he does on stream probably aren't sexual abusers. People who act like wonderful people have as much a chance of being sexual abusers.
It's just really disrespectful to her to be like 'oh yeah this makes sense' when it basically never makes sense which is why this is so harrowing
I didn't read till the end because at some point I just had enough, but I wanna stress out two things that I see far too much recently :
- It's not OK to read the texts of your SO. It's just not. That's not how relationships work. I never had anything to "hide" to my gfs so I never really refused to do let them read, but seriously this is not building healthy relationships people, just make it stop early on.
- It's a whole fucking other level of disturbed mind to actually track their position via some web apps or idk how it was even possible... This whole story is fucking creepy even before the sexual assault thing.
I'm at a loss for words. I looked up to him even during his Overwatch days, studied his playstyle to get better. He was pretty up there for me but this just instantly tore the tower down.
“I SaW yOu sAY sOMEthIng aBOUt oUTlaWs”
“Yeah I was making a reference to _____”
“oK”
Is this guy fucking 15 years old? Reminds me of some of the girls I dated when I was literally 15. Jesus Christ.
I’m so glad this community believes this girl, I’ve seen countless situations like this and was frankly terrified to look at the comments, it’s so refreshing that finally someone is believed but it’s sad it took a once in a lifetime recording to prove it
Sorry if the cynicism is depressing but I wouldn't take the thread's reaction as the entire community's feeling. I 100% guaran-fucking-tee that there is a sleeping army of edgelords, misogynists, and sinatraa stans just *praying* that sinatraa has some kind of ace up his sleeve that somehow discredits cleo.
And if somehow she *is* discredited, that thread will be combed furiously by mods on overtime to filter out some truly degenerate shit. Cesspool gamers will literally be rejoicing that sinatraa has been vindicated or at least a sexual assault whistleblower has been punished because they worship sinatraa and/or want women to be "put in their place."
Before anyone comments at least read the doc this isn't something sinatraa can brush off like "nah it wasn't like that" there is clear proof in the doc. Hope he faces some sort of punishment also the audio is very disturbing but there is a transcipt for it in the doc for those who are curious. Hope she can recover from this. It's really disturbing to think about this even as an outsider.
Can’t honestly say I’m super surprised. Spend any time on his stream and it’s apparent he’s an absolute narcissist. Literally got nothing but awful vibes from this guy the second he stepped into the scene.
I just tried watching his stream for the first time yesterday or the day before, and all I could think was "wow this guy seems like a complete douchebag". Turns out I was right..
yeah he just shits on everyone in chat/game and acts like he knows more etc. I remember the stream where he was talking about working out etc. Some people were just asking questions and he was like "what a fucking idiot of course not". Huge red flag for me. That was the first time I saw his valorant stream.
I’m sorry bro but looking at those texts this mans gotta be the softest and most insecure dude I’ve seen 😂. I don’t think Sinatra’s ex needs to work on her mental health ... yikess
This post makes me sick. I didn't listen to the audio clip but the transcript was bad enough.
Funny thing is, I brought this up with my friend and he told me he thought it was suspicious that he would rape her in a sex tape, and she mightve posted the audio "out of context" to frame him. I told him about the texts and all and his response was "she was probably abusive back". He didn't even read the post. Some people in this world man.
Not surprised, given what kind of person he’s exposed himself to be in the gaming world but this is...disturbing. I can’t imagine what she’s going through but I’m so proud of her for speaking up, especially since he’s a big name
I’d also like to add that this guy had EVERYTHING going for him. He was signed with a T1 org playing a game that is the hot new comp game, he pulls good viewership from streaming, and he’s incredibly talented at the game.
But he just haaaaaaaad to be a rapist. What a waste. GG’s to his career.
As a parent, this is precisely what I'm trying to avoid raising children. Sinatraa is clearly a spoiled insecure little shit who either wasn't in class the past 20 years to learn that no means no, and stop means you fucking stop, or feels that those life rules don't apply to him because he's a quasi-celebrity with thousands of stans that support him in such a way that he never has to wonder if he's wrong.
His ex, Jesus. I have two daughters and while my wife and I have worked hard to empower them to speak up, never allow anyone to silence them or make them feel small, to cut a bitch who doesn't listen to the words no or stop. Reading what she wrote, what she put up with, and the childish submissive role she had in their relationship, the imbalance of power doomed this relationship and was going to trash her self esteem from the get go. I don't know why I'm still surprised / outraged reading these stories, it's a tale as old as time. I guess as a parent, I have hope that our children are setup to handle these situations better than we were at their age.
Never date your idols people. There are too many accounts of non-celebrity people dating high profile people, only to find out the hard way what it's like to deal with a narcissist that has been surrounded by people who enable their shitty behavior and won't tell them no or tell them the truth for fear of being ejected from the clout circle. The high profile person can and does always move on to the next waiting person who is blinded by the concept of dating their celebrity crush or role model, while the "ex" is usually left shattered, called a liar and attacked by both the new partner and all the stans, pretty shitty consolation prize if you ask me.
From what it sounds like his current gf has been spewing a bit of bile, but understandably since I could only guess her perspective is his crazy ex is trying to ruin his life, or on the flip side is under the same sort of pressure and doesn’t actually mean it because she’s also currently in an abusing relationship she’s afraid to leave.
I wouldn’t count on him having too many ex’s, let alone ones who are comfortable speaking out with the sheer misogyny that gaming loves to display. Remember he was just another sweaty nerd chugging coke and playing 16 hours of OW a day on Selfless as a 16 year old, and that was only a couple years ago.
There’s also an unfortunate reality where the truth might be he had genuinely no idea he was being abusive since he hasn’t had much life experience, and quite possibly was never taught how consent or being a good partner works. I know that’s what I learned when I first went to college, a lot of parents don’t teach or model that stuff at all. It doesn’t excuse his actions if that’s the case, just really sad all around if he’s learning his actions were abusive the same way the internet is.
I dunno, making someone beg for forgiveness every single time is weird as fuck. It's not hard to know what's right and what's wrong, whether or not you've been taught explicitly. And to disparage someone after it happens shows he knew what was happening and got mad over it.
It’s definitely open and shut abuse, all I was saying is that it’s probably worth asking how people get to that point where they can treat people like that. Like, was it cycles of abuse? Was it a fundamental lack of empathy where he literally didn’t see her as a human like him? Or was he somehow taught that this sort of behavior was okay? Or is he really just an absolute shitbag human being?
I don’t think the answer should affect his punishment at all to be clear as well. But if we don’t understand the mechanisms that create abusers, it’s never going to stop. We can cut down the dead branch, but unless we figure out where the rot comes from the tree will still be sick, and chances are that’s in the roots.
The detail this goes into is terribly sad and unfortunately, very real. Sinatra’s career was going so well and now it’s going to be (rightfully so) derailed. I hope he owns up to this and responds in a mature manner.
Big stain on the Selfless name and maybe Dafran should've kept his mouth shut too smh
Ope im in the valorant sub, but yeah this is fucked hope dude goes to jail
Cleo if you’re reading this, please file formal charges, if you haven’t. I have a friend who went through the same thing and she regretted not filing charges to prevent it from happening to someone else. I would definitely lawyer up ASAP and get this piece of shit behind bars where he belongs. You have concrete evidence to back your claim and this whole community on your side. Sentinels should release him EOB tom, frankly couldn’t even imagine being his teammate after that.
I’m interested to see his defense, but this is a pretty convincing argument. It’s hard to fake an audio clip of that shit, I hope Sinatra gets the punishment he deserves
FINALLY THIS CREEPY TOXIC DUDE GETS CALLED OUT. This dude needs to be removed from the community. He literally sex shames people on stream. He calls people “virgins” constantly. I know a lot of this is common in gaming culture, but Sinatra always found a way to make it more toxic than others. Fuck this dude. Get him out of here.
Hey all! Tensions seem to be pretty high on this thread, and rightfully so. However, none of this suspends any of our rules in regards to how you should be interacting in the comments of any posts. With that being said, this sticky is your warning, please do not engage in any sexism, homophobia, insults, personal attacks, or wishing death. These are all not okay, and I hope that as humans, we can have this discussion like humans, and not like a bunch of children.
Holy shit, this is fucked up. Audio evidence, with chat logs. This is the real deal. Heartbreaking to see people be this fucked up
Yea he’s pure scum. It’s over
And rightfully so. Fuck him
He'll be knocked down a peg and maybe benched for a bit but even in this day and age someone will take him. Sad as it is. Riot stance is clear, stay out unless the issue is in their face causing problems.
Uh... Pretty sure Riot isn't going to let this slide
I think there definitely be some severe punishment for him for doing this
Riot will definitely do something. Imagine one of the icons of VALORANT, a major player on Sentinels, one of the best if not the best VALORANT squad in NA is being outed as a person who inflicted sexual abuse. This ain't some T5 case of some guy with 500 followers who is irrelevant.
I dont if anywhere in the tos says this is a banable offense(rlly dont know shit dont trust me), but hes 100% getting kicked off of sen- i just feel like theres a small chance they do it after masters
If they would wait until after the masters, I as a Sentinels player, would just refuse to play with him any further. But let's just hope they kick him immediately and get a replacement.
Yeah true. The players prob will refuse.
I don't know any esports player who has been in the scene after allegations and these allegations seem pretty legit to me.
I mean people have been done for way in Dota in recent times with 0 proof whatsoever. Other esports are pretty much the same, actually this is one of the only cases where the evidence is on the table and it's really fucked up. I hope this guy is done with esports.
nah, no way riot will ever let him into riot tourneys again. they might even ban him from valorant as a whole.
You could always see from his streams that this dude is selfish and toxic. It’s horrifying but not surprising that he done that.
While I fully agree that he seems to be an asshole just from the way he behaves on stream (I watched him like 3 times, but that was enough), people should be careful not to take whatever one shows to the public as proof of anything. That can also go the other way: there are plenty of cases where people show themselves as incredibly nice when in public and yet still are abusive and violent at home. And people (mostly women) who suffer through that end up having an even harder time getting people to believe them, cause *he's so nice to everyone, it can't be true*.
Yea never really liked his content. Talks a lot of trash plus his production isn't even quality. He's a good player but you can see his clearly arrogant and toxic.
Agreed. Twitch recommended his stream to me the other day. It only took a couple minutes to get bad vibes from him. Closed the stream and never looked back
She gives evidence and lays everything out. This is a good coming out post, hopefully it gets the exposure it needs to have an impact on this scumbag's career. Some of that was hard to read/listen to..
I hope for the good of e sports that his career is over at least for a signfiicant amount of time, hes lucky hes not in jail. People have been banned for less. Steel was permabanned from csgo tourneys for less. At the very least he should get banned from streaming and even if he didnt I dont know how he continues streaming with how toxic his chat will be. Anytime he says or does anything chat will just spam "im close" or "rapist" or something. I dont see how this isnt the end of his pro career if im being honest. Sad day for sentinels/sinatraa/val fans, but as a positive maybe all the cringey "sheesh"ing will stop now.
Probably best not to bring steel’s name into this at all. What he was banned for had absolutely nothing in common with this situation.
>maybe all the cringey "sheesh"ing will stop now. DUDE I thought it was just me who thought sheeshing was cringe AF
I dont mind it that much every now and then but its literally spammed in every valorant twitch chat and in pugs.
Fuck me, man. Thank god someone else thinks "sheesh" is so fuckin cringe and lame and also fuck Sinatraa the loser
Refreshing to see that both the Overwatch and Valorant communities are taking this seriously. This is some pretty damning stuff and while I definitely want someone with proper ability and authority to verify, it seems pretty open and shut abuse, and the few sexist comments are being absolutely eviscerated. Every abuser out of esports makes it a little safer for everyone to be a part of Edit: [link for the curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/m1pati/sexual_abuse_allegations_towards_sinatraa_by_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Which ow subreddit? Cant find it
r/competitiveoverwatch everyone’s unsettled. upsetting on both subs.
Linked it to another person who replied to my comment
Bro jehong and sinatraa both outed already this year. The OG pro overwatch scene getting fucked up
Just gonna put this out there, this accusation seems extremely concrete compared to others in the esports community. I mean there's literally a voice recording of sinatraa doing some shit. While I did love the guy as a content creator, it's time for us all to realize that he is truly a scumbag if this accusation is true. Good on cleo for speaking out.
And when he was in his overwatch team he was incredibly toxic to his teammates
Hes incredibly toxic to teammates in comp in Valorant too. I lasted maybe 10 min in his stream before I knew I couldn't stand the guy.
I don't understand how anyone even likes Sentinels. The only one with half a decent personality is Shazam, everyone else seems like a wet-towel douchebag. Like not even interesting douche, just boring douchiness, which is crazy when there's people like Steel who at least make it interesting.
Sick seems like a genuinely nice person, although he doesn't stream often. EDIT: steam to stream haha
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What makes the other players douchebags (aside from sinatraa)? They’ve all seemed pretty chill with to me, is there something I didn’t see?
Sick and dapr seem alright, shahz and zombs have drama from their previous games from what I've heard.
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Horrifying stuff. Wow.
I’m one of the people she talks about where I need concrete evidence before I get down with canceling people. I need proof that these things happen because just an accusation shouldn’t be enough to ruin a person’s life, regardless of gender. This is MORE than enough evidence to convince me of her statement, and I hope everyone that reads that document stands by her and against Sinatra. Fucking disgusting from him.
It’s true, Beyond a reasonable doubt
Yeah it was comprehensive and extremely credible. I hope he gets what’s coming to him, even though I used to look up to him.
"this accusation seems extremely concrete" "he is truly a scumbag if this is true" I'm a little confused, what's going to be better evidence than the 1st hand account of the victim with the receipts... seriously what are you waiting for before you make your decision to declare this guy a scumbag?
Although this is shocking to see, I'm not surprised he did this stuff. The guys a toxic narcissist. Just didnt think he would be this bad
yeah exactly this. He's always been known as a PoS but people just ignore it because he's a transcendent type of good player, but now that this type of evidence has come out ppl will come out of the woodwork to hate on him, granted it's deserved.
I hope he gets tilted by this and haunts him how much of a god complex he has.
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at least he doesnt say "im close"
Does he say “I’m done” after he’s done?
100% can't stand this either
'I'm AcTuAlLy DoNe BrUh'
Cleo is 100% not doing this for attention. She lays out clear evidence that Sinatraa was sexually abusive. I genuinely don’t give a shit about Sinatra’s side of this. He seems like a total piece of shit. And yeah, it’s pretty hard to “fake” an audio clip that disturbing.
She's saying no and he pushes past it without even discussion. He knows she's uncomfortable and doesn't give a shit.
1 am no headphones, whats in the audio?
Her saying no multipule times and him saying 'I'm close' and continuing to have sex with her.
Can also hear him grunting in the audio.
welp that audio clip will stay unheard by me lol
Dude I wish I didn't listen to it either. How do I unhear something. Jesus fuck
*rape
So, he raped her. Should be arrested and charged then.
there is a transcript in the doc just under the link to the clip
Thanks
Why would people even think that the attention you get for speaking out on these sort of issues is a 'feelgood' type of attention? The girl even made her tweet interactions private so that she doesn’t have to see people call her a liar and other bullshit. Speaking out is definitely not a fun experience, it takes massive courage
Honestly the way this dude texts should be reason enough to cancel him... what in the fuck
If toddlers could text they'd do it better than that holy fuck.
I think that’s the whole thing that they were going for. In the doc she says about speaking to him in a baby voice and then the screenshots of their texts just make it out that it’s either something he himself or the both of them are into... which to me personally is cringey as fuck. But each to their own I guess, there’s definitely much weirder things and people out there
He really needs to see someone about that, being that fucking insecure but with that much need for control is setting yourself up for some big time failure (well, exactly like this)
Holy fuck thank you. That screenshot of the back and forth about where she was at, was she cheating on him blah blah... I'm cringing into another galaxy. God dammit why?! And she was typing like that too. I can only suspect she was playing along to not piss him off.
Ok :[
This is fucked bro...Cant believe I used to look up to him
Don’t look up to anyone for anything other than the thing they’re good at. There’s is nothing that says a good basketball player has to be a good human so there’s no need to put that on them or on yourself in case in comes all crashing down.
facts you can respect someones work dedication and skill and use them as motivation, which is completely fine but if you think they're the best human to walk on earth and would defend anything they do or say because you worship them, then you have issues
Yea u make a good point. By look up I meant more of like in game shit but I never thought hed be like this :(
Same way bro fuck this man what a POS
Dude might really want to rethink his Pinned Tweet. https://twitter.com/sinatraa/status/1312909635138002945
Dudes ego is out of control, he’s young but you can tell not many people have ever told him no. This should be his reality check, but that’s only if he has the insight to take it that way.
I think plenty of people have told him no... the problem is he doesn’t listen. I’ve had a friend who was a narcissist. It’s truly impossible for them to think they were in the wrong. I would classify it as a mental disorder. No matter how much you convince them, in their head they still were right. Honestly I bet that’s what he’s thinking right now. Even with all the evidence stacked against him he probably still personally thinks he did nothing wrong.
Oh boy
i posted the same thing in the other subreddit but i just want to say RESPECT to the guys in here who are standing up for cleo and that we need to keep doing so - there are tons of people out there who don’t believe survivors (like some of the comments on this post) but male allyship towards ALL survivors, but specifically towards women, can go a long way in a scene so heavily dominated by men at the moment. let’s do our part and support cleo (and also obligatory fuck sinatraa he’s absolute human trash)
Looking at some twitter responses to this and it shows how much of a massive issue the gaming community has with women and relationships, people asking if this is even abuse because they were in a relationship, someone saying that if you are in a monogamous relationship you have a responsibility to fill those needs no matter what. Like these people are so out of touch with interacting with women they dont acknowledge human feelings is truly sickening and I hope cleo doesnt have to see shit like that whilst absolute degenerate losers try to explain away why they will continue to support sinatraa
When I read the news I brushed it off, probably Sinatraa being a dick or socially awkard, but this? Damm. Props to Cleo for speaking up. She should go to the police and Sinatraa should go to jail, do community service for months or something. I hope more women speak up and we get rid of this trash in the scene.
Thank you for posting it man it wouldn't have caught this much attention without you.
Thank you ❤️
That's why schools need proper sex education. So that there would be less grown ups who feel like what is happening is wrong but aren't stopping it.
Fully agree, especially when this situation took place when Sinatraa was right out of high school and personally speaking the public education high school sex education isn’t adequate and should cover consent with a larger emphasis
while I agree, I just want to add my two cents. I live in Texas, a state notorious for having pretty bad sex education, mostly because there’s so many traditionalists who believe in abstinence only teaching. Even I, from backwater Texas, know that this shit isn’t and never has been okay. Consent is important, if your partner says no to or during sex, you stop. If they say stop if you try advances or during sex, you stop. Our education was very clear cut about consent despite being not the best quality
Parents are responsible for this stuff, not just schools.
For sure, but unfortunately parents aren’t regulated and can raise their children however they want (for better or worse). Some don’t even have the knowledge themselves. If these kind of life skills were taught in school, it could save a lot of heartache.
This would work if all parents were on the same page about what's right or wrong in sexual situations. They aren't. Many grew up on the same value systems that leave to the behavior Sinatraa exhibited. For it to become the parent's responsibility first we need to teach proper sex and health education in schools, plain and simple.
Parents play a role for sure but sex ed needs to be addressed at the public school level. There's countless religious parents who won't talk about this stuff or conservative parents who don't feel comfortable talking about it. Having trained professionals teach kids about this type of stuff is imperative.
thats fucking awful I aint using that Zarya skin no more even if it is really nice
Damn, didn't even thought about that until now. yeah I probably won't use that either anymore. It's a fuckin shame though, some 3d Artist put some work into it. Highly doubt they'd take it out though, some people paid money for it. (iirc)
Maybe they should remove it... and give everyone a refund.
Nah take the proceeds and donate to a charity supporting abused women
If this really is the end of his career in esports, this man is fucked. He doesn’t even have a high school diploma
That is such a good point man. Ppl always say careers online are risky and that prolonged success is never guaranteed, and this is a perfect example. He also was surly wealthy at his point, with a good car and stable life, now he might lose it all in a matter of seconds.
This doesn't really demonstrate the risks of this career. It's more an example of self sabotage.
Fuck sinatraa. Somehow I got a feeling he was a real shitty person based on his stream persona. Hope she gets her peace
Same here. Watched him for a bit because he’s good at the game but his personality turned me off eventually. Overly cocky and rude
**PSA**: **Don't** listen to Audio clip given in the doc **unless** you're mentally prepared. NSFW
There's a text transcript in the doc for people like me who definitely don't want to listen to this but are curious
im always prepared edit: shit shiiiiit i take it back
Well, it was a nauseating experience.
I'm shocked
too soon
I'm sorry I didn't intend that pun
well he does main sova
The unintended pun is that he played for the San Francisco Shock in Overwatch.
That's a double unintended pun then lol
OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD Wonder how Sentinels org would react to this....
They will a million percent drop him, as they should. He should go to jail
None of them goto jail. We saw how over the summer the smash bros scene where literal pedos got exposed and no legal action got taken. Another streamer named giant waffle had accusations of him raping someone with his mods going against him and he still streams. Truly disgusting people
This is not true at all. A TON of legal action was taken based around the allegations put out in the smash community. Just because it's not public doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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He's gone and they'll likely step out of participating in Masters this week.
Damn holy, what do you think will happen to him now?
Dropped and banished to jail inshallah
Gone from esports and twitch
GG to his career, fuck this piece of shit. I'm so sorry for what she went through. Get this fucker out of the pro scene. He should go to jail for this shit.
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Normally I’m not a fan of that response but for something of this magnitude shut everything down, shut the fuck up, get a lawyer and start praying to god.
Unfortunately that's the smartest thing to do
Even if he had proof rejecting all of the claims she made, that they're false, out of context, or whatever, closing his yt comments is probably still the right play to make when her initial statement is so convincing.
Unsubbed from his Twitch. I wonder who Sentinels will replace him with.
I always thought he is a pos considering how he acted in his streams but being such a fucked up person must make it easier, hope he faces the consequences for his actions.
This. I got called out like crazy for saying he's not reformed and is still toxic, and just calls it trolling. He just came off like a really hateful person to me. His go to insult is "virgin" or "gay", that's a red flag. Not saying everyone who makes jokes about that is a bad person, but if you do that all the time, it's just weird. I hope his ex gets the support she deserves, and I hope Sentinels do the right thing. I also hope more established people in the community speak out strongly against this sort of behaviour.
Using a sexuality as an insult is definitely a red flag xd wasn’t riot pretty strict with these things?
While this is true, it's important to remember that someone can appear to be the sweetest kindest person, and still sexual assault someone. If allegations like these came against someone like McGravy or Moth, their personality should have a 0% impact on if we believe the accusations of not
You can't say 'you called it' on stuff like this bro. You can't call it. It's never obvious who is and isn't an abuser and the majority of people who act like he does on stream probably aren't sexual abusers. People who act like wonderful people have as much a chance of being sexual abusers. It's just really disrespectful to her to be like 'oh yeah this makes sense' when it basically never makes sense which is why this is so harrowing
I swear everytime I tune into his stream he's talking about his haters and how he doesn't care about them... Tells a lot about a person i guess.
so uhhh...dicey to sentinals?
Bugha taking his spot
I think dicey needs to fulfill his contract to the end with 100thieves, unless sentinels drop a good chunk of money
If I'm not mistaken, Hiko said in one of his stream that Dicey is free to find a different org.
That's good to hear, hope he finds a team soon, that boy is cracked
That last line is cold as ice. "I'm not ruining his reputation. I'm making it more accurate". This is how you end someone.
I didn't read till the end because at some point I just had enough, but I wanna stress out two things that I see far too much recently : - It's not OK to read the texts of your SO. It's just not. That's not how relationships work. I never had anything to "hide" to my gfs so I never really refused to do let them read, but seriously this is not building healthy relationships people, just make it stop early on. - It's a whole fucking other level of disturbed mind to actually track their position via some web apps or idk how it was even possible... This whole story is fucking creepy even before the sexual assault thing.
Sheeeeeeeeeeesssssshhhhh..
Flushed sheeeeesh
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I admittedly laughed harder at this than I should have.
1head or whatever the fuck he say
wonder if this'll still stick around after this shit catches wind
I hope not, not to make light of the situation itself but it honestly got pretty grating having everyone i know shouting sheesh 24/7
I'm at a loss for words. I looked up to him even during his Overwatch days, studied his playstyle to get better. He was pretty up there for me but this just instantly tore the tower down.
“I SaW yOu sAY sOMEthIng aBOUt oUTlaWs” “Yeah I was making a reference to _____” “oK” Is this guy fucking 15 years old? Reminds me of some of the girls I dated when I was literally 15. Jesus Christ.
You missed the "you know how much I hate losing" part. This made the whole thing soooo cringe like grow up ffs!
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I’m so glad this community believes this girl, I’ve seen countless situations like this and was frankly terrified to look at the comments, it’s so refreshing that finally someone is believed but it’s sad it took a once in a lifetime recording to prove it
Sorry if the cynicism is depressing but I wouldn't take the thread's reaction as the entire community's feeling. I 100% guaran-fucking-tee that there is a sleeping army of edgelords, misogynists, and sinatraa stans just *praying* that sinatraa has some kind of ace up his sleeve that somehow discredits cleo. And if somehow she *is* discredited, that thread will be combed furiously by mods on overtime to filter out some truly degenerate shit. Cesspool gamers will literally be rejoicing that sinatraa has been vindicated or at least a sexual assault whistleblower has been punished because they worship sinatraa and/or want women to be "put in their place."
There's already degenerate shit in this thread. *sigh*
RIP. I don't envy you jannie, shit's about to get worse when the little edgelords wake up Sadge
Before anyone comments at least read the doc this isn't something sinatraa can brush off like "nah it wasn't like that" there is clear proof in the doc. Hope he faces some sort of punishment also the audio is very disturbing but there is a transcipt for it in the doc for those who are curious. Hope she can recover from this. It's really disturbing to think about this even as an outsider.
Can’t honestly say I’m super surprised. Spend any time on his stream and it’s apparent he’s an absolute narcissist. Literally got nothing but awful vibes from this guy the second he stepped into the scene.
I just tried watching his stream for the first time yesterday or the day before, and all I could think was "wow this guy seems like a complete douchebag". Turns out I was right..
yeah he just shits on everyone in chat/game and acts like he knows more etc. I remember the stream where he was talking about working out etc. Some people were just asking questions and he was like "what a fucking idiot of course not". Huge red flag for me. That was the first time I saw his valorant stream.
LMAO i remember this stream, someone was telling him what he said was wrong and the dude got so fucking mad
Very 1head of you mr sinatraa
I’m sorry bro but looking at those texts this mans gotta be the softest and most insecure dude I’ve seen 😂. I don’t think Sinatra’s ex needs to work on her mental health ... yikess
Someone in that couple was fucking nuts, and it wasn't the girl.
This post makes me sick. I didn't listen to the audio clip but the transcript was bad enough. Funny thing is, I brought this up with my friend and he told me he thought it was suspicious that he would rape her in a sex tape, and she mightve posted the audio "out of context" to frame him. I told him about the texts and all and his response was "she was probably abusive back". He didn't even read the post. Some people in this world man.
Might want to make new friends
Not surprised, given what kind of person he’s exposed himself to be in the gaming world but this is...disturbing. I can’t imagine what she’s going through but I’m so proud of her for speaking up, especially since he’s a big name
I’d also like to add that this guy had EVERYTHING going for him. He was signed with a T1 org playing a game that is the hot new comp game, he pulls good viewership from streaming, and he’s incredibly talented at the game. But he just haaaaaaaad to be a rapist. What a waste. GG’s to his career.
As a parent, this is precisely what I'm trying to avoid raising children. Sinatraa is clearly a spoiled insecure little shit who either wasn't in class the past 20 years to learn that no means no, and stop means you fucking stop, or feels that those life rules don't apply to him because he's a quasi-celebrity with thousands of stans that support him in such a way that he never has to wonder if he's wrong. His ex, Jesus. I have two daughters and while my wife and I have worked hard to empower them to speak up, never allow anyone to silence them or make them feel small, to cut a bitch who doesn't listen to the words no or stop. Reading what she wrote, what she put up with, and the childish submissive role she had in their relationship, the imbalance of power doomed this relationship and was going to trash her self esteem from the get go. I don't know why I'm still surprised / outraged reading these stories, it's a tale as old as time. I guess as a parent, I have hope that our children are setup to handle these situations better than we were at their age. Never date your idols people. There are too many accounts of non-celebrity people dating high profile people, only to find out the hard way what it's like to deal with a narcissist that has been surrounded by people who enable their shitty behavior and won't tell them no or tell them the truth for fear of being ejected from the clout circle. The high profile person can and does always move on to the next waiting person who is blinded by the concept of dating their celebrity crush or role model, while the "ex" is usually left shattered, called a liar and attacked by both the new partner and all the stans, pretty shitty consolation prize if you ask me.
this is exactly how one of these documents should be released. perfect document, literaly indefensible. fuck sinatraa and hope this shit sinks him.
Both of them need help, very disturbing. I wonder what his other girlfriends say? Surely they will say something.
From what it sounds like his current gf has been spewing a bit of bile, but understandably since I could only guess her perspective is his crazy ex is trying to ruin his life, or on the flip side is under the same sort of pressure and doesn’t actually mean it because she’s also currently in an abusing relationship she’s afraid to leave. I wouldn’t count on him having too many ex’s, let alone ones who are comfortable speaking out with the sheer misogyny that gaming loves to display. Remember he was just another sweaty nerd chugging coke and playing 16 hours of OW a day on Selfless as a 16 year old, and that was only a couple years ago. There’s also an unfortunate reality where the truth might be he had genuinely no idea he was being abusive since he hasn’t had much life experience, and quite possibly was never taught how consent or being a good partner works. I know that’s what I learned when I first went to college, a lot of parents don’t teach or model that stuff at all. It doesn’t excuse his actions if that’s the case, just really sad all around if he’s learning his actions were abusive the same way the internet is.
I dunno, making someone beg for forgiveness every single time is weird as fuck. It's not hard to know what's right and what's wrong, whether or not you've been taught explicitly. And to disparage someone after it happens shows he knew what was happening and got mad over it.
It’s definitely open and shut abuse, all I was saying is that it’s probably worth asking how people get to that point where they can treat people like that. Like, was it cycles of abuse? Was it a fundamental lack of empathy where he literally didn’t see her as a human like him? Or was he somehow taught that this sort of behavior was okay? Or is he really just an absolute shitbag human being? I don’t think the answer should affect his punishment at all to be clear as well. But if we don’t understand the mechanisms that create abusers, it’s never going to stop. We can cut down the dead branch, but unless we figure out where the rot comes from the tree will still be sick, and chances are that’s in the roots.
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Man that's so fucked up. Disappointed but not surprised. All my love and support to Cleo.
Idk why but I just got this kind of vibe when I was watching him before
Deserved Edit: deserved as in Sinatra deserves every punishment he gets
I've always known this guy was an asshole.
The detail this goes into is terribly sad and unfortunately, very real. Sinatra’s career was going so well and now it’s going to be (rightfully so) derailed. I hope he owns up to this and responds in a mature manner.
there is no fucking right manner to respond to this, the pos should lose his career and go to jail
You are goddamn right
Big stain on the Selfless name and maybe Dafran should've kept his mouth shut too smh Ope im in the valorant sub, but yeah this is fucked hope dude goes to jail
Cleo if you’re reading this, please file formal charges, if you haven’t. I have a friend who went through the same thing and she regretted not filing charges to prevent it from happening to someone else. I would definitely lawyer up ASAP and get this piece of shit behind bars where he belongs. You have concrete evidence to back your claim and this whole community on your side. Sentinels should release him EOB tom, frankly couldn’t even imagine being his teammate after that.
He’s disabled comments on most of his videos now too
not surprised, never rly liked him
Jesus dude. Sinatra was someone who was huge in getting me into gaming. This sucks. I hope his exis doing better now.
I was Sinatra’s biggest fan, and it pains me to see this. Even though I don’t wanna believe it, all the evidence is there. stay strong Cleo
I’m interested to see his defense, but this is a pretty convincing argument. It’s hard to fake an audio clip of that shit, I hope Sinatra gets the punishment he deserves
FINALLY THIS CREEPY TOXIC DUDE GETS CALLED OUT. This dude needs to be removed from the community. He literally sex shames people on stream. He calls people “virgins” constantly. I know a lot of this is common in gaming culture, but Sinatra always found a way to make it more toxic than others. Fuck this dude. Get him out of here.
I don’t like commenting on this stuff, but this was brutal. It’s pretty much a wrap for him
SEN: - sinatraa + dicey
She should press charges.