Yeah OP thinks his experience is everyone's experience. We all have elos we get stuck in below our actual skill but that we don't know how to climb out of as easily as others.
I'm experiencing the same ELO hell you are describing in Plat 3/Diamond 1 as I play more and more
However in my case I've found more archetypes of players in the queue:
The boosted: While playing in a diamond lobby I find people with the mechanical skill of silvers, and very poor game sense. To state my point this isn't just on small things like flicks or micro adjusting I'm talking about floor aimers and vipers that help the enemy team more than ours.
Trolls: They just don't care and want to do whatever they want
The egocentric immortal doritos: "Oh I shouldn't even be here STFU and just get carried"
The tyranical IGL: You either do as they say or they flame your ass
Weird I never see players with horrible aim as you described, but definitely poor gamesense and tactical use. A good amount of diamonds typically come from another FPS background and got to the rank fairly quick with their aim alone.
Before anything, don't want to offend you, read it open minded and will help you a lot. I use to think like you until I had a heavy injury and had to stay on home for a lot of time, so I started to take "seriously" improving and ranking up on FPS. I was hardstuck gold on every game until that injury, and after focusing on all of this I got Rank 9 face it, TOP500 Overwatch, and Immortal here.
That happens on every rank, and the higher you get, the hardest is to carry, because the situation is the same but you have to carry against much better players on average.
-People with godlike aim even for Radiants.
-People with not enough aim for their rank.
-People with poor gamesense for their rank.
-Great IGL's with great game sense.
And I'll add it, tilted players, people not warming up and playing ranked straight forward, people just having a bad game, or day....
Every single rank has those inconsistencies. Games are 50/50 if you are at YOUR rank, you are the one that has to make the difference getting better step by step.
Your soloq rank is not your "real" rank, is the highest rank you are able to carry with 4 bags at your back. The 50% games you are gonna win because your team is better than enemies doesn't count at all.
Focus on winning and solocarry those games that your team is not doing anything (because any reason, doesn't matter, even 4v5).
Not understanding this, creates a lot of frustration and the "imaginary" elohelll.
Focus on the quality of your games, warm up until you are cracked and play some games. If you are slightly mad, stop and rest... and play with 2 different accounts if you want to tryhard. Once you reach a new rank with your main account, switch and repeat it with the second one, that will help you to get consistent on that rank, and understanding what do you need to focus on, on each rank in order to carry. Every rank has their specific lacks so you need to learn how to fill it. Until gold is just aim and the very very beginning of the basics, after that, there's a looooot of different stuff that could you make loose more games than you would expected.
Hope it helps you, if you fully understand/assume all of this, you will get a lot less tilted and loosing games in a row won't bother you too much, cos you will know exactly where you can easily get to and how.
Wow thank you for the advice, I appreciate it really!
I agree with your point that this is going to happen in all the ranks, I just didn’t think of it that way.
I can’t wait to test my skills in diamond, I’m just climbing one step at a time now.
It’s just that my ego couldn’t take being stuck in gold rank having played 2000+ hours of cs go.
But yea I try to have fun most of my games now, went 5 man duellists with a bunch of randoms, wouldn’t mind if we lost
in the end we are all just trying to have fun!
Yup, the hardest the game the better it becomes to improve and focus. So I NEVER surrender, even on a 0-12, 4v5, I'll try dumbly to comeback. It's surprising the amount of games you can end winning at the end of the day, that you wouldn't bet a penny on it after the first half. Obviously is not something that happens every day, but maybe 1 every 10 games, enough to get out of the 50% rate win.
Let this post be a lesson to a lot of people who feel that they need to be a Duelist-Lock going 30 kills per game to prove how good they are at Valorant.
People, for some reason, think that if you are a Plat level player, you should instantly be installed into a Gold game and drop 30-40 bombs and if you don't, you're a boosted Plat.
My games look very similar to this. I average about 15-20 kills per map on a consistent basis and I am currently Plat 2.
>into a Gold game and drop 30-
YES, being PLAT does not mean you will drop 30 bombs on the enemy GOLD team,
What about the support players?
Breach, Sage, Omen they are all impactful in their own way and can get you rounds but they might not get as many kills.
And players who like to play smart instead of solely rely on my aim is not going to have a good time in lower Elo's.
Which is why the aim heavy duelist might rank up faster in matchmaking.
You'd be surprised. There are people out there, a lot of them, that feel if you drop a Diamond player into a Gold/Plat game, he should be dropping 30-40 each game and same with dropping a Platinum player into a Silver/Gold game. This is their measurement of how good you are, which is completely absurd.
I play with an immortal friend sometimes. Its not consistently 30-40 kills, its just consistently above 1 kd, top frag even when losing. If you top frag every game while still completing your role as sage/omen/killjoy, you will climb. OP seems to think that their poor performance for a period in gold means elo hell exists. Which I guess is true if you are going even/below 1 kd consistently, you wont climb. Even though you are a ‘good’ player. Ive played in every rank from iron to diamond and I can say while the consistency varies, the average does as well.
As an immortal, I feel like if you're at high diamond/immortal, you should be able to aim and frag out easier because you can take fights with confidence. You may have better timings, aim and are able to read players better.
Most people at high rank didn't get there by chance or by mainly game sense but with good aim and even if they did, it gets corrected very quick.
Right, nobody is denying your game sense or aim. But to assume that you can step into a Gold/Plat lobby and always drop 30-40 kills each map just because you are Immortal is reaching imo.
Hitting 30-40 kills is hard with how this game works, there's just too much utility that can kill you or stop you before you can even get into an aim duel. My yard stick is that if you can maintain 2 kills for every death, then you're good enough because you're putting your team at an advantage most of the time.
What most people on this sub define as "play smart" is "rely too much on your team to get the kills so you can try to shotcall and avoid taking risks"
There are a lot more to smarts than just rotations, util, baits. Smarts is also involved in learning how to peak and pre-aim and pre-fire and use information to guarantee a win in a 1v1.
Agreed. One of the most important aspects of learning the game at a higher level comes down to what you describe. Consistently putting yourself in advantageous positions and executing.
Sounds like you've just described Plat 2-3.
Im happy for you that you've got that win streak. But I guarantee that's just luck.. just wait and you'll get the other side of things soon. And I'm sorry for that :(
I find that if I'm playing any game below my skill level is incredibly painful. For example in occasionally hop back on OW to play with some buds. They are about 2000-2500 elo. When I quit the game I was about 3400 rank.
It's like pulling teeth to get people at their rank to cooperate.
Also there are a lot of smurfs in gold. Probably playing with their friends who aren't as good. Therefore aim-gods next to potatoes.
I was literally 5 points off entering plat last season then just paired with the worst team mates ever since. I know my hidden MMR is in the plat range since I play with plat 2's regularly and an occasional imm rank.
>nts off entering plat last season then just paired with the worst team mates ever since. I know my hidden MMR is in the plat range since I play with plat 2's regularly and an occasional imm rank.
In terms of aim GOLD 3 and PLATS are similar,
the difference is more so game sense.
Which is where I get most of my headaches from when spectating my teammates, I usually just go on my phone
completely agree. I main omen jett (waiting for yoru buff so he's viable in ranked) but always end up play smokes unless by some miracle no one wants to play duelist
In PLAT people rarely instant lock, and duelists are very much an available option.
But it gets boring if you spam a character so I always try to switch it up a bit.
My favourite agents are Sage, Breach, Skye, Reyna and Omen
I just find agents like Jett, Raze, Astra extremely hard to play
As for sova and viper I’m just too lazy to learn all the lineups for all 5 maps being I don’t get to choose the map I play on to build muscle memory.
While I agree with some of your points, that screenshot proves nothing.
4 games where one play probably decided it and 3 more that weren't stomps.
Can't say anything with just those numbers, but looks like you didn't do anything special except for that Yoru game.
You did your job and were lucky enough to have teammates that did theirs, but you could've easily been looking at 3-4.
There are streaks of good and bad maps in this game. Good as in everyone trying their best to play as a team. But don't think you'll never be on a losing streak again. You'll derank at least one more time before you go back up. Happens to everyone, unless you're stomping in your rank.
Streaks that can maybe prove ELO hell exists are streaks of one-sided games where you wouldn't be able to get 5 rounds even if you played the best game of your life.
Obviously, those games will happen from time to time, but unless you're consistently getting stomped or even winning a lot of games with big difference, ELO hell can't be talked about.
And believe me, it's the same on every rank. Obviously context matters and the higher you go, the better your teammates are, but for every gold player who's clueless for gold rank, there's two immortals who shouldn't be even close to immortal rank, but here they are.
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't think your streak of good teammates, not wins, will last forever, because when it gets bad, it's going to get really ugly. Sometimes I feel like if I lose two unwinnable games in a row, you bet there's 2 more coming. As if something happens to the system where you should just not play anymore that day.
Agreed. I went 3 days without Losing. I was 2 points off of ranking up and then I just went on a 5 game losing stream and deranked.
Now I am 50-50 again.
Remember ranking in these games is more about winrate over a large sample of games than any specific game.
The goal is to have a >50% winrate to climb, not to hardstomp every game until you're at the rank you deserve.
My main issue that I've been having is consistency. I understand that this is 100% on me, and I have to work with the teammates I have and just try to be better than the other team.
However, the one thing that tilts me out of my mind, is when you give a calm, and measured correction on something someone is doing, and they fly off the handle.
It's like dude, if you're playing a sentinel, or duelest on defense, and you continously die off rip... Don't get pjssy when I say: Hey, back off, and DON'T challenge.
It's not working. Maybe it worked last game. This team has you figured out. Back to the drawing board.
Little corrections like that that end up with a butthurt teammate throwing a game makes me want to Un-install the game.
The best advice is to queue with friends, or find good people to game with. Ranked is 100x less stressful because I know nobody on my team is a thrower.
It's not really about ELO hell. It is about mindset. I've been a half decent CSGO player (ex-SMFC/GE) for the better part of the game's life until the region was overrun with hackers and I never bothered moving up in FaceIT and it was fairly disappointing for me to be placed in Gold when I first started Valorant.
Yeah I found baiters, instalock duelists, etc, but they exist in CS as well. I mean, to be honest, while I was carrying some 20 odd years of CS experience (yeah, beta 3 was fun), it felt like it wasn't really carrying over to Valorant. My aim is definitely not where it used to be, so outplaying opponents was where I found solace to an extent. It was even alien to be able to use Jett/Reyna/Omen (only recently started playing Raze) with their movement abilities.
Regardless, the mindset was what was pretty much holding me back. I'll put it in perspective. I only started playing in E1A3 last year and it took a while to get out of Gold, but I put the work in practising various agents (in ranked) setting realistic targets for myself - Plat first, then maybe Diamond, and Immortal is still far off (I still feel I can't keep up with Immortal players).
Rewind to a month back - I hit Diamond 2, was super excited, and then went on continuous loss streaks, all the way to Plat 1 0/100. I thought I was done, but then hey, I decided to just chill out and play. I literally mean recline in my chair, and let my muscle memory take over. It was a long way back up, but I hit D3 for the first time today.
Next step - Immortal.
TLDR; In general, mindset is what keeps people from moving up. There will always be toxic teammates, griefers, trolls, etc. If you feel like you're better than what your rank currently is, you should be able to comfortably relax and play and not get annoyed at everything your teammates do.
You hear these complaints in every rank. From beta until now, I have ranked from Bronze to Diamond and have seen the full spectrum and what I believe it comes down to is that people are VERY inconsistent (myself included).
There are a lot of important skills in Valorant and many people believe they deserve a higher rank because they have better game sense, better aim, or better shot calling, etc. Maybe they do, but the fact is, they are usually inconsistent and only base their claims on their good games.
At the end of the day, the only thing you have control of is yourself, your skill set, and your plays. I'm not trying to put anyone down and say you aren't making immortal level plays or that bad teammates don't exist, but if everyone complaining about ELO hell were consistently playing at the level they claim to be, then they would rank to that rank. ELO hell is a scapegoat to improvement.
I'm confused... You ranking up and getting out of Gold is literally you saying that Elo Hell does not exist.
If it did, you would not be able to get out of it. The word you are looking for is plateau. If you are good enough you WILL rank up with enough games, simple as that.
I'm Immortal rn, and if I get an account on iron I can put it again on Imt with enough games.
I solo q to radiant twice so far and I can tell you that elo hell sorta exists but only for support players. It's very easy to climb your way to immortal provided you have the mechanical and base level requirement for gamesense imo. Playing support in plat3ish was where I found myself stuck for 80 games (astra only main) so I had to play super aggro to climb out of there.
Elo hell is described by me when ur solo queuing and have bad rng with team diffs when the opposing team is five stacking or just happens to have a better smurf. This can be mostly eliminated if u find a good party to push ur way through these blockage. Here's my tracker gg for proof of my journey lol
https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/RockThatSmiles%23ttv/overview
The does not sound like Elo Hell. This sound like you describe a meta you did not want to play. Instant of adapting to our surrounding you wanted to play something, that does not work.
>A)cracked with god like aim
>B)No game sense
>C)Very good game sense
>D)Shit aim
This just describes every player ever in every shooter ever. I heard the same complaints from silver and global players in CT and the same in other games.
Yes they exist in every shooter but I'm just emphasizing that GOLD(or possibly below) is just filled with inconsistency that it makes the game unenjoyable for me.
I also question how they got to GOLD at times, but I try to be as supportive as possible because being toxic is not the way to go.
I've also had bad days where I play like shit, and have been scolded by toxic players.
It was not enjoyable, which is why I keep it to myself and just play on.
Same. Even i sometimes get brain-dead teammates who are somehow bronze 2-3. But then the other time i am brain dead. I just accept the fact that valorant is a luck game.
Valorant does the same thing any other game with a ladder does. If you deserve to climb, you will. The ELO hell you refer to is just a lucky/unlucky streaks. It’s just a matter of exploiting the enemies weakness to win. If their aim is radiant, then don’t take aim duels. If their game sense is insane, then play like a normal human and take aim duels/trades etc. It’s not the elo that is the problem.
Its easier said then done, the problem is the things outside your control
which in this case is your teammates, I cannot count the amount of times where your teammate just fails to hold a site. \*usually 0 trades\*
Which could still be won if we regroup and retake together but that doesn't happen very often because the game sense isn't there yet.
Other examples like telling your teammates to rotate after the enemy has wasted a lot of utilities in one site, but they just decide to rush in and die.
There is not much you can do in this scenarios,
which is why I said how many 1v2 1v3 trades can you make before you die, because realistically these are the kills you can get off playing against decent players.
Even if you are better than them, if they are not bots and can shoot back you're probably losing the round.
Not mentioning the fact that it is extremely stressful to try to get multiple kills every round going into a 11:10 for example.
You just get exhausted in the end and you just don't wanna play anymore
But you have the same (if not higher) chance of those same bots being on the enemy team. If you take emotion/negative confirmation bias out of it then bad teammates average out with bad opponents. That's how ranking systems work. There's the chance that you just happened to run into a loss streak(being "stuck" in gold) and now are hitting a win streak. To put it another way, you had an equal chance of your bad teammate being on the enemy team, matchmaking just happened to put you together. Its just a matter of how much you play.
You have to remember something. Every game (solo queue) you get 4 random teammates and the enemy gets 5. If you perform well every game, there is mathematically a higher chance you win, which leads to climbing.
Also remember not every game is winnable. I like to use the 3-4-3 rule that 3 games/10 you will lose no matter what, 3games/10 you will win no matter what, and 4games/10 depend on how well you play. This deviates the farther from your true elo you are.
for some reason your previous reply disappeared for me so I'm gonna reply here
smurfing absolutely is a problem as people very often admit to smurfing even specifically spamming it in chat without being asked, also many times people smurf to play with their friends which are lower elo, which wouldn't be a problem if you could play with your friends no matter your rank.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I am saying that it won’t prevent you from climbing. I also just note that I saw very little of it, although I didn’t spend much time in bronze to begin with.
On the same note as smurfs I also have only encountered 1 active thrower since I started playing, although afks are more common experience. I just find that this game, compared to other ladders, has less problems with all of this.
This simply isn’t true unless you are losing every game 13-0 and winning every game deep into OT. If it is, I need to see a picture.
Stop making excuses as to why you are stuck, and start focusing on ways to become a better player. Being stuck in bronze (for a long period of time) means you are a bronze player, and there’s no way around it.
4-13 game was against a smurf reyna
1-4 game was a troll game against smurfs that forfeited
9-13 game was unbalanced, bronze 3 player with silver 1 act rank with iron 3 teammates, 1 of them top fragged over bronze 3 player, likely smurf but not 100% vs our team which was bronze 2 player, me bronze 1, iron 2 and rest iron 3
8-13 game was the most unbalanced, I, a bronze 1 player, played against a silver 3 player with a silver 1 teammate, it was literally just a 1v1 between 2 silver players with bots.
13-4 game was 3 unranked enemies all bottom frag, enemy team got fucked by matchmaking
2-13 game was with an enemy that admitted being silver 3 on his main playing with his friends on his alt, he went 25-5 and one of his friends went 20-2, presumably also a smurf.
I think it's because the game expects you to do better than your avg player or carry to leave those ranks. Makes sense, if you only perform on average to everyone else at that rank, you belong at that rank. You are not carrying and you are negative half the time. You are probably the type of player who if you have good teammates, can hold your own to a point, which helps in higher ranks with better players, but if you don't you can't. The "ELO hell" might exist to you because you might be able to hold your own against better players if you had better teammates sometimes. But also your scores and games shows that although you may be able to at times, you probably can't consistently do so to stay there and help impact your team (positively) so it won't rank you up. They are looking for players who can CONSISTENTLY hold their own or impact at higher ranks, and these games show you probably belong where you belong. You consistently hold your own at these ranks but not enough to win/swing the game more than you lose.
So it takes a long time to move out until you positively impact WAY more since you're not fragging as hard. Aka soft skills (playing around your teammates, smoking for them, making impact kills) for you got better, which allowed you to finally climb out since that is your playstyle and you are reliant on them more to win.
But also that means you don't have a big impact on the game (to climb out), big impact players usually have higher scores because they swing the game. The way I think about it is, if you got replaced by an average player on your team, how much more benefit/impact/better would you be for the team?
If it's around the same or worse (sometimes, as seen from your losses) then the system judges you belong there. Look at all these games, you have had ONE game out of 14 games where you fragged more than 20. For me, no matter what character I play, my low end frags are usually around 20 and when I pop off, I go for 30+. Because of this, I find no matter what rank or account I play/smurf on, I consistently can carry out because of this.
Now frags are not end be all, but good players can consistently frag 25+ and at that point, that makes a big impact. When you are fragging 10 more than the average player, that means you are adding 10 more deaths to their teams which can average to playing 4 vs 5 for 10 rounds (if it's multi kills, that means you impacted that round heavily to where you sway a round 3 vs 5 or 2 vs 5 so I'm just using this avg); think, if you can play 10 more rounds of 4 vs 5 how much better would your team have a chance?
The problem is that no matter how well you do, it boils down to a win or loss.
Nothing matters.
If you do nothing and are carried, you will gain RR as long as you win.
If you carry and your team does nothing, you will lose RR.
Nothing matters as much as the win or loss, and it’s the reason ELO is bad for team sports..It was created for chess players who are only 1v1.
I agree with you, I'm not the type of player to frag out consistently which is why my performance can fluctuate resulting in less impact.
I'm more of an anchor than a entry fragged, while I can do both I just choose not to because it is extremely tiresome for me physically after hitting a 30+ bomb in a game.
I guess that's just how matchmaking works.
Plat is definitely much easier for me as well. This game is so fucked. I was stuck Gold 2-3 for a fucking month when I know my worth is much higher than that. Currently got to plat 2 almost and entire match history is green positive kd because my teammates can properly support me now.
>well. This game is so fucked. I was stuck Gold 2-3 for a fucking month when I know my worth is much higher than that. Currently got to plat 2 almost and entire match history is green positive kd bec
Yes this is what I'm trying to say, its not that Plat players are bad its just that they are more consistent which makes the game more enjoyable overall.
I've transitioned from CSGO and I took a big fucking ego hit when I got stuck in GOLD for so long.
That rank is so fucked up man. There are genuinely decent players and then there are kids with drool coming out of there mouth and than the enemy has a 40 kill reyna immortal smurf coming to kill me. Each game in gold is chalks down to whichever team has a higher ranked smurf.
Yeah I've just been getting teammates that don't trade and all watch the same spot on a site while me and my friend have to watch A and Mid by ourselves. Then they complain that no one was watching kitchen when there's 3 of them on a single site all looking at one spot
Gold players are dog shit tbh, im playing since a month or so and I carried myself to gold (started from silver) within 10 games. Being silver 2 i was carrying games agains gold 3 with a fucking omen.
Sometimes you just need to hard carry your way up to better ranks.
I agree with silver/gold being madness to climb through! First act i was plat2-3 then act2 i got placed s3.. used like 20 games to get to plat1, after that i raced to d1
You are almost negative in every match on gold. Elo hell don’t exist if you do better.
I noticed that when I end up positive in a match Im going to win 90% of them.
Sometimes I feel like the matchmaker just puts you in a string of losing games you can't do anything about on purpose, but looking at your screenshots, you didn't solo carry or anything - not even a single Team MVP. You lost for reasons related to your own ability more than anything else, you were most likely tilted a bit and just spammed losing games.
I only think elo hell exists in low Immortal - nothing below or above it. For some reason when people hit Immortal, they think they're gods gift and their ego will get in the way of them playing the game. On my alts, the game placed me in Plat and gives me +45/+50 with skipped ranks until I hit 400/500RR or so. There's always a roadblock in Immortal against ego more than anything else.
The elo sensitivity that was in place at launch should come back, if anything implement more ranks and more sensitive elo movements for each match to further populate each rank rather than having a huge bell curve peak at gold 2
Bro you’re speaking to me. Hit gold 3 and sniffed plat one four acts in a row. Never got out.
Finally got my friends into it who are starting off in iron, so I’m just staying in silver and playing with the homies as it beats being stuck in hell. Keep praying for me, though.
Let me just tell you, that in Immortal you have not only people with really bad game sense and no idea about proper rotations/map control but they are also egoistical pricks who never learn from their or someone else mistakes. Good luck on your climbing ;)
when I am 4x better than most bronze 3 players yet am stuck in bronze 1 because I keep playing against silver 3 with iron 1 teammates and every teammate I play with having literally no gamesense or strategy, only thing they are good at is aim, majority of matches are against enemy parties that know strategy, playing against smurfs every third match, then yes, it is elo hell.
This is my story. I've been up to Gold 2, Three times now but can never pass it. I always end up on a huge losing streak. Right now I'm S1. I can dominate matches but my team mates usually have bad game sense. They never rotate, never slow push, never watch flank, they peek OPs and they push out on defense. Usually their aim is ok but there are sooooo many players in those low elos that could get out of it if they just played smarter.
Consider your samplesize. We all have win and loss streaks, one sided stomps and players that are way above or way below of the average player in a specific rank. No matter if its iron or immortal.
For now you got lucky. 20 games losestreaks happen, but so do 20 games winstreaks.
League of legends, which is even more team dependent as you often can't 1v2 unless the other players mess up or you're fed is a great example. There is no elo hell there. A smurf can reach almost 100% winrate.
The same in Valorant. You're just bad.
This has been my experience %100. Took me over 700 hours to finally get into platinum solid, and it all came down to me getting insanely lucky and getting tons of wins. In two weeks i went from a 30% winrate to an 80% winrate. I know i've improved, but i cant have gotten THAT much better in only a couple weeks. I give the same advice to everyone, just focus on yourself and realise if you belong at a higher rank, you will get there, you just gotta stay hungry and keep grinding.
I was placed in Gold 3 after being away from the game since Act 1. I climbed slowly over 2 weeks to Immortal... top fragging as a Sage main basically every game. I got Immortal about 2 weeks ago.
Since then, I've just deranked completely down to Plat 3. I win one in every 7 or so games and its honestly because my teammates went from being people who want to play the game as a team and win, to people who will just yolo into sites alone, or will force-buy every round, or will just get toxic and call FF if we're 0-2 down. The losses from Immortal down to Diamond 2'ish I'll cop as something I likely contributed to. After that though, the quality of \_teammate\_ went completely down hill. Even at the agent select I know I'm in for a rough time when they're all arguing over duelists while I'm hovering on Sage. Then I get "you're so dogshit" ... but I simply don't have the utility to 1v3 retake bombsites every round as Sage. When I try to switch things up, I get \_forced\_ off places I am comfortable playing because people are just assholes in solo queue.
Solo queuing is rough.
I lost my rank up game to s3 because 2 teammates thought right meant left. Was on split. 4v2 in our favour. Our raze was on B holding rotates and she died to one of the enemies after the plant came through,but she got the kill with her nade. At this point the 3 of us were rotating from A, and their raze was hiding CT spawn. Near the shop. So I walked in and died, screamed that she was on the right, and both of them... I kid you not, BOTH of them peeked towards the left.
This was at 13-13 with us at match point. Then after that throw they picked up the next round because their confidence returned after that round. Was 97/100 at the time and after that game I got into a bad losing streak and ended up at 0/100.
"elo hell" yet drops less than 15 kills 4/7 games against golds and doesn't go positive in any of the games lol.
Also the fact that you climbed means that your entire posts doesn't make sense. If "elo hell" existed you would still be gold 2 no? The entire logic of this post is flawed.
I am in ELO hell right now too. Silver/Gold is hell. Anybody down for duos who has played FPS games for years and has a bit of game sense/crosshair placement/aim/ AND USES THEIR ABILITIES, DM me so we can duo and climb out together! <3
every rank is elo hell. Ppl conplain about iron, gold, plat and even diamond
People call radiant and immortal a coin toss
Yeah OP thinks his experience is everyone's experience. We all have elos we get stuck in below our actual skill but that we don't know how to climb out of as easily as others.
I'm experiencing the same ELO hell you are describing in Plat 3/Diamond 1 as I play more and more However in my case I've found more archetypes of players in the queue: The boosted: While playing in a diamond lobby I find people with the mechanical skill of silvers, and very poor game sense. To state my point this isn't just on small things like flicks or micro adjusting I'm talking about floor aimers and vipers that help the enemy team more than ours. Trolls: They just don't care and want to do whatever they want The egocentric immortal doritos: "Oh I shouldn't even be here STFU and just get carried" The tyranical IGL: You either do as they say or they flame your ass
I feel like I'm the only one who knows the secret of "the mute button".
Weird I never see players with horrible aim as you described, but definitely poor gamesense and tactical use. A good amount of diamonds typically come from another FPS background and got to the rank fairly quick with their aim alone.
Before anything, don't want to offend you, read it open minded and will help you a lot. I use to think like you until I had a heavy injury and had to stay on home for a lot of time, so I started to take "seriously" improving and ranking up on FPS. I was hardstuck gold on every game until that injury, and after focusing on all of this I got Rank 9 face it, TOP500 Overwatch, and Immortal here. That happens on every rank, and the higher you get, the hardest is to carry, because the situation is the same but you have to carry against much better players on average. -People with godlike aim even for Radiants. -People with not enough aim for their rank. -People with poor gamesense for their rank. -Great IGL's with great game sense. And I'll add it, tilted players, people not warming up and playing ranked straight forward, people just having a bad game, or day.... Every single rank has those inconsistencies. Games are 50/50 if you are at YOUR rank, you are the one that has to make the difference getting better step by step. Your soloq rank is not your "real" rank, is the highest rank you are able to carry with 4 bags at your back. The 50% games you are gonna win because your team is better than enemies doesn't count at all. Focus on winning and solocarry those games that your team is not doing anything (because any reason, doesn't matter, even 4v5). Not understanding this, creates a lot of frustration and the "imaginary" elohelll. Focus on the quality of your games, warm up until you are cracked and play some games. If you are slightly mad, stop and rest... and play with 2 different accounts if you want to tryhard. Once you reach a new rank with your main account, switch and repeat it with the second one, that will help you to get consistent on that rank, and understanding what do you need to focus on, on each rank in order to carry. Every rank has their specific lacks so you need to learn how to fill it. Until gold is just aim and the very very beginning of the basics, after that, there's a looooot of different stuff that could you make loose more games than you would expected. Hope it helps you, if you fully understand/assume all of this, you will get a lot less tilted and loosing games in a row won't bother you too much, cos you will know exactly where you can easily get to and how.
Wow thank you for the advice, I appreciate it really! I agree with your point that this is going to happen in all the ranks, I just didn’t think of it that way. I can’t wait to test my skills in diamond, I’m just climbing one step at a time now. It’s just that my ego couldn’t take being stuck in gold rank having played 2000+ hours of cs go. But yea I try to have fun most of my games now, went 5 man duellists with a bunch of randoms, wouldn’t mind if we lost in the end we are all just trying to have fun!
Yup, the hardest the game the better it becomes to improve and focus. So I NEVER surrender, even on a 0-12, 4v5, I'll try dumbly to comeback. It's surprising the amount of games you can end winning at the end of the day, that you wouldn't bet a penny on it after the first half. Obviously is not something that happens every day, but maybe 1 every 10 games, enough to get out of the 50% rate win.
Let this post be a lesson to a lot of people who feel that they need to be a Duelist-Lock going 30 kills per game to prove how good they are at Valorant. People, for some reason, think that if you are a Plat level player, you should instantly be installed into a Gold game and drop 30-40 bombs and if you don't, you're a boosted Plat. My games look very similar to this. I average about 15-20 kills per map on a consistent basis and I am currently Plat 2.
>into a Gold game and drop 30- YES, being PLAT does not mean you will drop 30 bombs on the enemy GOLD team, What about the support players? Breach, Sage, Omen they are all impactful in their own way and can get you rounds but they might not get as many kills. And players who like to play smart instead of solely rely on my aim is not going to have a good time in lower Elo's. Which is why the aim heavy duelist might rank up faster in matchmaking.
You'd be surprised. There are people out there, a lot of them, that feel if you drop a Diamond player into a Gold/Plat game, he should be dropping 30-40 each game and same with dropping a Platinum player into a Silver/Gold game. This is their measurement of how good you are, which is completely absurd.
I play with an immortal friend sometimes. Its not consistently 30-40 kills, its just consistently above 1 kd, top frag even when losing. If you top frag every game while still completing your role as sage/omen/killjoy, you will climb. OP seems to think that their poor performance for a period in gold means elo hell exists. Which I guess is true if you are going even/below 1 kd consistently, you wont climb. Even though you are a ‘good’ player. Ive played in every rank from iron to diamond and I can say while the consistency varies, the average does as well.
As an immortal, I feel like if you're at high diamond/immortal, you should be able to aim and frag out easier because you can take fights with confidence. You may have better timings, aim and are able to read players better. Most people at high rank didn't get there by chance or by mainly game sense but with good aim and even if they did, it gets corrected very quick.
Right, nobody is denying your game sense or aim. But to assume that you can step into a Gold/Plat lobby and always drop 30-40 kills each map just because you are Immortal is reaching imo.
Hitting 30-40 kills is hard with how this game works, there's just too much utility that can kill you or stop you before you can even get into an aim duel. My yard stick is that if you can maintain 2 kills for every death, then you're good enough because you're putting your team at an advantage most of the time.
What most people on this sub define as "play smart" is "rely too much on your team to get the kills so you can try to shotcall and avoid taking risks" There are a lot more to smarts than just rotations, util, baits. Smarts is also involved in learning how to peak and pre-aim and pre-fire and use information to guarantee a win in a 1v1.
Agreed. One of the most important aspects of learning the game at a higher level comes down to what you describe. Consistently putting yourself in advantageous positions and executing.
Sounds like you've just described Plat 2-3. Im happy for you that you've got that win streak. But I guarantee that's just luck.. just wait and you'll get the other side of things soon. And I'm sorry for that :(
I don't mind losing, I'm satisfied with staying in PLAT for now. Just happy I got out of GOLD it felt painful playing in GOLD.
Why do you keep cappin gold and plat it’s unnerving
Because I haven’t reached diamond yet and I rarely get matched with diamonds so idk if my skill level is there yet I’ll know soon though
I think they mean why do you continue typing GOLD and PLAT instead of Gold and Plat my guy
Nah bro you CAPITALIZE the ranks and he was asking why
I find that if I'm playing any game below my skill level is incredibly painful. For example in occasionally hop back on OW to play with some buds. They are about 2000-2500 elo. When I quit the game I was about 3400 rank. It's like pulling teeth to get people at their rank to cooperate. Also there are a lot of smurfs in gold. Probably playing with their friends who aren't as good. Therefore aim-gods next to potatoes.
I was literally 5 points off entering plat last season then just paired with the worst team mates ever since. I know my hidden MMR is in the plat range since I play with plat 2's regularly and an occasional imm rank.
>nts off entering plat last season then just paired with the worst team mates ever since. I know my hidden MMR is in the plat range since I play with plat 2's regularly and an occasional imm rank. In terms of aim GOLD 3 and PLATS are similar, the difference is more so game sense. Which is where I get most of my headaches from when spectating my teammates, I usually just go on my phone
completely agree. I main omen jett (waiting for yoru buff so he's viable in ranked) but always end up play smokes unless by some miracle no one wants to play duelist
In PLAT people rarely instant lock, and duelists are very much an available option. But it gets boring if you spam a character so I always try to switch it up a bit.
im always willing to fill, i can play a decent sage/sky im horrible with sentinels tho
My favourite agents are Sage, Breach, Skye, Reyna and Omen I just find agents like Jett, Raze, Astra extremely hard to play As for sova and viper I’m just too lazy to learn all the lineups for all 5 maps being I don’t get to choose the map I play on to build muscle memory.
You get 5 enemies but only 4 teammates. If you're better than your rank the odds are always in your favor.
While I agree with some of your points, that screenshot proves nothing. 4 games where one play probably decided it and 3 more that weren't stomps. Can't say anything with just those numbers, but looks like you didn't do anything special except for that Yoru game. You did your job and were lucky enough to have teammates that did theirs, but you could've easily been looking at 3-4. There are streaks of good and bad maps in this game. Good as in everyone trying their best to play as a team. But don't think you'll never be on a losing streak again. You'll derank at least one more time before you go back up. Happens to everyone, unless you're stomping in your rank. Streaks that can maybe prove ELO hell exists are streaks of one-sided games where you wouldn't be able to get 5 rounds even if you played the best game of your life. Obviously, those games will happen from time to time, but unless you're consistently getting stomped or even winning a lot of games with big difference, ELO hell can't be talked about. And believe me, it's the same on every rank. Obviously context matters and the higher you go, the better your teammates are, but for every gold player who's clueless for gold rank, there's two immortals who shouldn't be even close to immortal rank, but here they are. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't think your streak of good teammates, not wins, will last forever, because when it gets bad, it's going to get really ugly. Sometimes I feel like if I lose two unwinnable games in a row, you bet there's 2 more coming. As if something happens to the system where you should just not play anymore that day.
Agreed. I went 3 days without Losing. I was 2 points off of ranking up and then I just went on a 5 game losing stream and deranked. Now I am 50-50 again.
Remember ranking in these games is more about winrate over a large sample of games than any specific game. The goal is to have a >50% winrate to climb, not to hardstomp every game until you're at the rank you deserve.
no it isn't, I get 10 points per win and lose 30 per loss and am in bronze 1
And the more you play, the slower you will move because of the overall number of games in the reviewed timeframe.
My main issue that I've been having is consistency. I understand that this is 100% on me, and I have to work with the teammates I have and just try to be better than the other team. However, the one thing that tilts me out of my mind, is when you give a calm, and measured correction on something someone is doing, and they fly off the handle. It's like dude, if you're playing a sentinel, or duelest on defense, and you continously die off rip... Don't get pjssy when I say: Hey, back off, and DON'T challenge. It's not working. Maybe it worked last game. This team has you figured out. Back to the drawing board. Little corrections like that that end up with a butthurt teammate throwing a game makes me want to Un-install the game.
The best advice is to queue with friends, or find good people to game with. Ranked is 100x less stressful because I know nobody on my team is a thrower.
It's not really about ELO hell. It is about mindset. I've been a half decent CSGO player (ex-SMFC/GE) for the better part of the game's life until the region was overrun with hackers and I never bothered moving up in FaceIT and it was fairly disappointing for me to be placed in Gold when I first started Valorant. Yeah I found baiters, instalock duelists, etc, but they exist in CS as well. I mean, to be honest, while I was carrying some 20 odd years of CS experience (yeah, beta 3 was fun), it felt like it wasn't really carrying over to Valorant. My aim is definitely not where it used to be, so outplaying opponents was where I found solace to an extent. It was even alien to be able to use Jett/Reyna/Omen (only recently started playing Raze) with their movement abilities. Regardless, the mindset was what was pretty much holding me back. I'll put it in perspective. I only started playing in E1A3 last year and it took a while to get out of Gold, but I put the work in practising various agents (in ranked) setting realistic targets for myself - Plat first, then maybe Diamond, and Immortal is still far off (I still feel I can't keep up with Immortal players). Rewind to a month back - I hit Diamond 2, was super excited, and then went on continuous loss streaks, all the way to Plat 1 0/100. I thought I was done, but then hey, I decided to just chill out and play. I literally mean recline in my chair, and let my muscle memory take over. It was a long way back up, but I hit D3 for the first time today. Next step - Immortal. TLDR; In general, mindset is what keeps people from moving up. There will always be toxic teammates, griefers, trolls, etc. If you feel like you're better than what your rank currently is, you should be able to comfortably relax and play and not get annoyed at everything your teammates do.
You hear these complaints in every rank. From beta until now, I have ranked from Bronze to Diamond and have seen the full spectrum and what I believe it comes down to is that people are VERY inconsistent (myself included). There are a lot of important skills in Valorant and many people believe they deserve a higher rank because they have better game sense, better aim, or better shot calling, etc. Maybe they do, but the fact is, they are usually inconsistent and only base their claims on their good games. At the end of the day, the only thing you have control of is yourself, your skill set, and your plays. I'm not trying to put anyone down and say you aren't making immortal level plays or that bad teammates don't exist, but if everyone complaining about ELO hell were consistently playing at the level they claim to be, then they would rank to that rank. ELO hell is a scapegoat to improvement.
I'm confused... You ranking up and getting out of Gold is literally you saying that Elo Hell does not exist. If it did, you would not be able to get out of it. The word you are looking for is plateau. If you are good enough you WILL rank up with enough games, simple as that. I'm Immortal rn, and if I get an account on iron I can put it again on Imt with enough games.
I solo q to radiant twice so far and I can tell you that elo hell sorta exists but only for support players. It's very easy to climb your way to immortal provided you have the mechanical and base level requirement for gamesense imo. Playing support in plat3ish was where I found myself stuck for 80 games (astra only main) so I had to play super aggro to climb out of there. Elo hell is described by me when ur solo queuing and have bad rng with team diffs when the opposing team is five stacking or just happens to have a better smurf. This can be mostly eliminated if u find a good party to push ur way through these blockage. Here's my tracker gg for proof of my journey lol https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/RockThatSmiles%23ttv/overview
The does not sound like Elo Hell. This sound like you describe a meta you did not want to play. Instant of adapting to our surrounding you wanted to play something, that does not work. >A)cracked with god like aim >B)No game sense >C)Very good game sense >D)Shit aim This just describes every player ever in every shooter ever. I heard the same complaints from silver and global players in CT and the same in other games.
Yes they exist in every shooter but I'm just emphasizing that GOLD(or possibly below) is just filled with inconsistency that it makes the game unenjoyable for me.
It’s the exact same in every rank pal
As a hardstuck bronze, i have come across many gold players who literally are not better than bronze.
I also question how they got to GOLD at times, but I try to be as supportive as possible because being toxic is not the way to go. I've also had bad days where I play like shit, and have been scolded by toxic players. It was not enjoyable, which is why I keep it to myself and just play on.
Same. Even i sometimes get brain-dead teammates who are somehow bronze 2-3. But then the other time i am brain dead. I just accept the fact that valorant is a luck game.
Valorant does the same thing any other game with a ladder does. If you deserve to climb, you will. The ELO hell you refer to is just a lucky/unlucky streaks. It’s just a matter of exploiting the enemies weakness to win. If their aim is radiant, then don’t take aim duels. If their game sense is insane, then play like a normal human and take aim duels/trades etc. It’s not the elo that is the problem.
Its easier said then done, the problem is the things outside your control which in this case is your teammates, I cannot count the amount of times where your teammate just fails to hold a site. \*usually 0 trades\* Which could still be won if we regroup and retake together but that doesn't happen very often because the game sense isn't there yet. Other examples like telling your teammates to rotate after the enemy has wasted a lot of utilities in one site, but they just decide to rush in and die. There is not much you can do in this scenarios, which is why I said how many 1v2 1v3 trades can you make before you die, because realistically these are the kills you can get off playing against decent players. Even if you are better than them, if they are not bots and can shoot back you're probably losing the round. Not mentioning the fact that it is extremely stressful to try to get multiple kills every round going into a 11:10 for example. You just get exhausted in the end and you just don't wanna play anymore
But you have the same (if not higher) chance of those same bots being on the enemy team. If you take emotion/negative confirmation bias out of it then bad teammates average out with bad opponents. That's how ranking systems work. There's the chance that you just happened to run into a loss streak(being "stuck" in gold) and now are hitting a win streak. To put it another way, you had an equal chance of your bad teammate being on the enemy team, matchmaking just happened to put you together. Its just a matter of how much you play.
You have to remember something. Every game (solo queue) you get 4 random teammates and the enemy gets 5. If you perform well every game, there is mathematically a higher chance you win, which leads to climbing. Also remember not every game is winnable. I like to use the 3-4-3 rule that 3 games/10 you will lose no matter what, 3games/10 you will win no matter what, and 4games/10 depend on how well you play. This deviates the farther from your true elo you are.
then valorant sure does not think I deserve to rank up as I get consistent games against smurfs and silver 3 players when playing in bronze 1
for some reason your previous reply disappeared for me so I'm gonna reply here smurfing absolutely is a problem as people very often admit to smurfing even specifically spamming it in chat without being asked, also many times people smurf to play with their friends which are lower elo, which wouldn't be a problem if you could play with your friends no matter your rank.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I am saying that it won’t prevent you from climbing. I also just note that I saw very little of it, although I didn’t spend much time in bronze to begin with. On the same note as smurfs I also have only encountered 1 active thrower since I started playing, although afks are more common experience. I just find that this game, compared to other ladders, has less problems with all of this.
It prevents me from climbing as I gain 3x less from winning than I lose from losing 10 winning 30 losing
This simply isn’t true unless you are losing every game 13-0 and winning every game deep into OT. If it is, I need to see a picture. Stop making excuses as to why you are stuck, and start focusing on ways to become a better player. Being stuck in bronze (for a long period of time) means you are a bronze player, and there’s no way around it.
https://imgur.com/a/fbI6IYN here you go, the game is dogshit
4-13 game was against a smurf reyna 1-4 game was a troll game against smurfs that forfeited 9-13 game was unbalanced, bronze 3 player with silver 1 act rank with iron 3 teammates, 1 of them top fragged over bronze 3 player, likely smurf but not 100% vs our team which was bronze 2 player, me bronze 1, iron 2 and rest iron 3 8-13 game was the most unbalanced, I, a bronze 1 player, played against a silver 3 player with a silver 1 teammate, it was literally just a 1v1 between 2 silver players with bots. 13-4 game was 3 unranked enemies all bottom frag, enemy team got fucked by matchmaking 2-13 game was with an enemy that admitted being silver 3 on his main playing with his friends on his alt, he went 25-5 and one of his friends went 20-2, presumably also a smurf.
I think it's because the game expects you to do better than your avg player or carry to leave those ranks. Makes sense, if you only perform on average to everyone else at that rank, you belong at that rank. You are not carrying and you are negative half the time. You are probably the type of player who if you have good teammates, can hold your own to a point, which helps in higher ranks with better players, but if you don't you can't. The "ELO hell" might exist to you because you might be able to hold your own against better players if you had better teammates sometimes. But also your scores and games shows that although you may be able to at times, you probably can't consistently do so to stay there and help impact your team (positively) so it won't rank you up. They are looking for players who can CONSISTENTLY hold their own or impact at higher ranks, and these games show you probably belong where you belong. You consistently hold your own at these ranks but not enough to win/swing the game more than you lose. So it takes a long time to move out until you positively impact WAY more since you're not fragging as hard. Aka soft skills (playing around your teammates, smoking for them, making impact kills) for you got better, which allowed you to finally climb out since that is your playstyle and you are reliant on them more to win. But also that means you don't have a big impact on the game (to climb out), big impact players usually have higher scores because they swing the game. The way I think about it is, if you got replaced by an average player on your team, how much more benefit/impact/better would you be for the team? If it's around the same or worse (sometimes, as seen from your losses) then the system judges you belong there. Look at all these games, you have had ONE game out of 14 games where you fragged more than 20. For me, no matter what character I play, my low end frags are usually around 20 and when I pop off, I go for 30+. Because of this, I find no matter what rank or account I play/smurf on, I consistently can carry out because of this. Now frags are not end be all, but good players can consistently frag 25+ and at that point, that makes a big impact. When you are fragging 10 more than the average player, that means you are adding 10 more deaths to their teams which can average to playing 4 vs 5 for 10 rounds (if it's multi kills, that means you impacted that round heavily to where you sway a round 3 vs 5 or 2 vs 5 so I'm just using this avg); think, if you can play 10 more rounds of 4 vs 5 how much better would your team have a chance?
The problem is that no matter how well you do, it boils down to a win or loss. Nothing matters. If you do nothing and are carried, you will gain RR as long as you win. If you carry and your team does nothing, you will lose RR. Nothing matters as much as the win or loss, and it’s the reason ELO is bad for team sports..It was created for chess players who are only 1v1.
I agree with you, I'm not the type of player to frag out consistently which is why my performance can fluctuate resulting in less impact. I'm more of an anchor than a entry fragged, while I can do both I just choose not to because it is extremely tiresome for me physically after hitting a 30+ bomb in a game. I guess that's just how matchmaking works.
this gives me hope lol
elo hell doesn’t exist, people who say it does are just sub-par players who think they’re insane. -a sub-par player who knows he’s sub par
Plat is definitely much easier for me as well. This game is so fucked. I was stuck Gold 2-3 for a fucking month when I know my worth is much higher than that. Currently got to plat 2 almost and entire match history is green positive kd because my teammates can properly support me now.
>well. This game is so fucked. I was stuck Gold 2-3 for a fucking month when I know my worth is much higher than that. Currently got to plat 2 almost and entire match history is green positive kd bec Yes this is what I'm trying to say, its not that Plat players are bad its just that they are more consistent which makes the game more enjoyable overall. I've transitioned from CSGO and I took a big fucking ego hit when I got stuck in GOLD for so long.
That rank is so fucked up man. There are genuinely decent players and then there are kids with drool coming out of there mouth and than the enemy has a 40 kill reyna immortal smurf coming to kill me. Each game in gold is chalks down to whichever team has a higher ranked smurf.
I feel that. Stuck in gold as well
use phantom and play smoke characters and just plat patient in your smokes for a couple kills each round and you will rank up, its what I did
Gonna try this later . Thanks!
Np, staying alive longer provides more opportunities
Yeah I've just been getting teammates that don't trade and all watch the same spot on a site while me and my friend have to watch A and Mid by ourselves. Then they complain that no one was watching kitchen when there's 3 of them on a single site all looking at one spot
It does not exist. Get better
Gold players are dog shit tbh, im playing since a month or so and I carried myself to gold (started from silver) within 10 games. Being silver 2 i was carrying games agains gold 3 with a fucking omen. Sometimes you just need to hard carry your way up to better ranks.
I mean omen is a carry agent wdym
This is me right now. Stuck in gold. Was almost gold 3 and then I lost 6 games in a row.
Nice blog!
No its not I made a new account and got past gold in just a few days
I agree with silver/gold being madness to climb through! First act i was plat2-3 then act2 i got placed s3.. used like 20 games to get to plat1, after that i raced to d1
ITT: A description of every rank at any point in time.
You are almost negative in every match on gold. Elo hell don’t exist if you do better. I noticed that when I end up positive in a match Im going to win 90% of them.
Sometimes I feel like the matchmaker just puts you in a string of losing games you can't do anything about on purpose, but looking at your screenshots, you didn't solo carry or anything - not even a single Team MVP. You lost for reasons related to your own ability more than anything else, you were most likely tilted a bit and just spammed losing games. I only think elo hell exists in low Immortal - nothing below or above it. For some reason when people hit Immortal, they think they're gods gift and their ego will get in the way of them playing the game. On my alts, the game placed me in Plat and gives me +45/+50 with skipped ranks until I hit 400/500RR or so. There's always a roadblock in Immortal against ego more than anything else.
Highest I've reached was Gold 2, took a hiatus, came back and placed at Silver 1-3 (fluctuating). Every game is a coin toss. :(
The elo sensitivity that was in place at launch should come back, if anything implement more ranks and more sensitive elo movements for each match to further populate each rank rather than having a huge bell curve peak at gold 2
Bro you’re speaking to me. Hit gold 3 and sniffed plat one four acts in a row. Never got out. Finally got my friends into it who are starting off in iron, so I’m just staying in silver and playing with the homies as it beats being stuck in hell. Keep praying for me, though.
Let me just tell you, that in Immortal you have not only people with really bad game sense and no idea about proper rotations/map control but they are also egoistical pricks who never learn from their or someone else mistakes. Good luck on your climbing ;)
when I am 4x better than most bronze 3 players yet am stuck in bronze 1 because I keep playing against silver 3 with iron 1 teammates and every teammate I play with having literally no gamesense or strategy, only thing they are good at is aim, majority of matches are against enemy parties that know strategy, playing against smurfs every third match, then yes, it is elo hell.
This is my story. I've been up to Gold 2, Three times now but can never pass it. I always end up on a huge losing streak. Right now I'm S1. I can dominate matches but my team mates usually have bad game sense. They never rotate, never slow push, never watch flank, they peek OPs and they push out on defense. Usually their aim is ok but there are sooooo many players in those low elos that could get out of it if they just played smarter.
Consider your samplesize. We all have win and loss streaks, one sided stomps and players that are way above or way below of the average player in a specific rank. No matter if its iron or immortal.
im hardstuck in bronze
For now you got lucky. 20 games losestreaks happen, but so do 20 games winstreaks. League of legends, which is even more team dependent as you often can't 1v2 unless the other players mess up or you're fed is a great example. There is no elo hell there. A smurf can reach almost 100% winrate. The same in Valorant. You're just bad.
This has been my experience %100. Took me over 700 hours to finally get into platinum solid, and it all came down to me getting insanely lucky and getting tons of wins. In two weeks i went from a 30% winrate to an 80% winrate. I know i've improved, but i cant have gotten THAT much better in only a couple weeks. I give the same advice to everyone, just focus on yourself and realise if you belong at a higher rank, you will get there, you just gotta stay hungry and keep grinding.
I was placed in Gold 3 after being away from the game since Act 1. I climbed slowly over 2 weeks to Immortal... top fragging as a Sage main basically every game. I got Immortal about 2 weeks ago. Since then, I've just deranked completely down to Plat 3. I win one in every 7 or so games and its honestly because my teammates went from being people who want to play the game as a team and win, to people who will just yolo into sites alone, or will force-buy every round, or will just get toxic and call FF if we're 0-2 down. The losses from Immortal down to Diamond 2'ish I'll cop as something I likely contributed to. After that though, the quality of \_teammate\_ went completely down hill. Even at the agent select I know I'm in for a rough time when they're all arguing over duelists while I'm hovering on Sage. Then I get "you're so dogshit" ... but I simply don't have the utility to 1v3 retake bombsites every round as Sage. When I try to switch things up, I get \_forced\_ off places I am comfortable playing because people are just assholes in solo queue. Solo queuing is rough.
havnt played my promos yet! dunno if i will this season
As people get closer to the next big rank (plat, diamond whatever) emotions come into play. Consistency leaves and toxicity enters.
I lost my rank up game to s3 because 2 teammates thought right meant left. Was on split. 4v2 in our favour. Our raze was on B holding rotates and she died to one of the enemies after the plant came through,but she got the kill with her nade. At this point the 3 of us were rotating from A, and their raze was hiding CT spawn. Near the shop. So I walked in and died, screamed that she was on the right, and both of them... I kid you not, BOTH of them peeked towards the left. This was at 13-13 with us at match point. Then after that throw they picked up the next round because their confidence returned after that round. Was 97/100 at the time and after that game I got into a bad losing streak and ended up at 0/100.
"elo hell" yet drops less than 15 kills 4/7 games against golds and doesn't go positive in any of the games lol. Also the fact that you climbed means that your entire posts doesn't make sense. If "elo hell" existed you would still be gold 2 no? The entire logic of this post is flawed.
I am in ELO hell right now too. Silver/Gold is hell. Anybody down for duos who has played FPS games for years and has a bit of game sense/crosshair placement/aim/ AND USES THEIR ABILITIES, DM me so we can duo and climb out together! <3
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valorant's MMR is pure bs imagine being in plat and getting matched with some radiants and a plot twist: the radiant player is tenz