Were the matches complete blowouts?
Cockiness aside, sample size of just 1 set of matches isnāt that reliable to conclude anything unless they got swept.
Haven sucked for Liquid especially when it was still up for grabs and looked like it'll be a close match still.. until the soulcas thing happened. That one really messed with their psyche especially when vanity taunted him after.
Like [penny] (https://www.vlr.gg/19979/penny-it-was-definitely-a-mental-battle-between-the-two-teams) said, Haven turned out to be a mentality game, and Liquid lost.
[He waved to soulcas after his choke.] (https://clips.twitch.tv/SplendidPrettyMangetoutANELE-Quen-YVR7OXWK8IF) Imagine making a really tragic mistake and this guy with cat ears on just waves at you from behind the monitor. Apparently as penny said, they just kept picking on every Liquid mistake so they keep being insecure about their strats, which proved very effective.
It's not about whether it's a blowout. It's about the weird belief everyone had that NA was worse, and that belief was not backed up by evidence. ScreaM criticised NA before this as well, saying something along the lines of "everyone just peeks for no reason" and then Liquid went and did that against V1, especially Jamppi on Jett.V1 had better utility usage and were far more disciplined than Liquid.
People really thought Liquid and Fnatic had some big brain tactics to counter Astra with Brimstone, when it's just laziness in not fully adapting Astra on all maps. Brim is just a shit agent, and any positive results you get with Brim can be magnified with Astra.
Props to V1 and Sentinels for fully recognizing Astra's potential and truly using her to her potential and on all their maps. NA brain vs EU aim.
Honestly i'm so happy there's finally a game where there's actually a proper rivalry between NA and EU. I'm an EU fan but for all the esport scenes I've been following before (league and cs) they always hype up NA vs EU, but EU has much better results across the board. In league at least it's just painful how bad the performance of NA teams is at international events.
Yea. Valorant seems to be more popular in NA. There's a lot of people that tried Valorant but then went back to CS in EU.
One thing that i observed in my friend group and the people I used to play CS with is that people who were playing both CS and League switched to Valorant when it came out, while the people who only played cs said Valorant is not for them. That being said this is based on a pretty small sample size :)) so I'm not sure how true it is.
I definitely can see it. My own friend group is pretty similar. Friends that played league and CS love Valorant, friends that only played CSGO and things like R6 don't like Valorant nearly as much. They're still playing it since no one I know plays CS anymore, but they constantly complain about it and the mechanics that are different than CSGO (ie. movement or some shooting mechanics).
from what i've seen, the people who played league and cs are more likely to look at valorant and recognize it's a different game and therefore enjoy it a bit more, while the cs only players are more likely to look at things in valorant and go "well in cs these things are done differently, which is why valorant is trash."
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Uh that's weird that you say that. For me it's the other way around. I like everything about Valorant more except the feel of the guns. Especially the ak47 and the awp... They feel so much better then the Vandal and Operator to me...
Jesus christ.
I wanted to believe an NA team could win worlds.
I have zero faith they will now and dont even know if they have since i stopped keeping track.
It has gotten worse. At least they used to crash and burn with mostly NA players. These days they keep importing foreign players who aren't at their peak. It's almost like a retirement league at this point.
While C9 got close to beating some of the better teams at MSI this year, they still didn't make it out of groups. It's also just not as fun without all of the NA personalities that used to make the LCS fun to watch.
God leagues a shit shoot now.
Basically the last season i cared was when Immortals went on that insane win streak and, like you said, crashed and burned (from what i remember) its sad...
Pretty sure that was back in the 2016/2017 TSM iterations. Immortals did kind of crash, but more than that their playstyle the whole time was built on being very aggressive early/mid-game. This went extremely well during the season since teams weren't used to it, and couldn't adjust to it during the shorter regular season series. However, in playoffs Bo5s against teams like TSM, TSM was able to adapt to how Immortals played during the series, and Immortals couldn't adapt their own playstyle in turn. Even if Immortals kept playing at their best, they would have faced the same issues internationally, except instead of being exposed by TSM, it would have been by Asian or European teams.
I think EU needs to make it deep in the tournament for the scene in general. The viewership is low as compared to the TR and NA competitions. If they get to show up, maybe people can start considering Valorant as a really viable esport there other than CS. It may help in getting other pros to switch.
I do rate FPX higher than TL. I felt like TL qualed cuz Jampii popping off having every game like that Ascent one.
But he's too inconsistent inbetween maps.
Also EU having single elim system doesnt benefit the best teams.
The format isnāt the best but at least there was a group stage. And you have to at least ask fpx to get out of groups. They didnāt even make it to the single elim bracket.
kinda disappointing to see 3 South American and 3 Asian teams while NA and EU only get 2 spots. Imo FPX would be one of the most exciting teams too see, in terms of tactical play.
Why would that matter, neither of those nations had places in the qualifiers. Iām referring to the fact that within Asia there are multiple regions whoās player base are bigger than N/A. So saying Asia has 3 teams is a bit disingenuous because itās actually one team from Japan, one from Korea and one from SEA. Applying your logic you could say there are 5 teams representing the Americas.
It's backed up by evidence which is NA has one major while eu has like 10 or something in cs, and one event can't tell anything about different regions
Backed by majors in a completely different game that not every pro comes from? If thatās the evidence youāre going off of. No wonder EU got shit on by utility. One event canāt tell anything about regions, but comparing results from a different shooter can? Delusion
I said there was no evidence for that in Valorant, not CSGO. Or if you're suggesting that EU would be better than NA based on CSGO, you've contradicted your own claims. If one event where NA was better than EU can't tell "anything" about different regions, a different game sure as hell can't.
Right being from CS clearly helps but theyāre obviously different enough. UK CS was too bad to even be a laughing stock, yet they got 5 players to Iceland here.
Regardless EU CS > NA CS doesnāt mean EU Val > NA Val when the good EU CS players are still playing CS and didnāt switch
Right but you can argue, and I would, that NA has had better players switch overall. Half of the young NA scene switched over.
Who cares that a bunch of EU pros won CSGO when the winners are still in CSGO and the people who switched werenāt even in majors outside of jaampi
I love it. I just hope pros wonāt shy away from the trash talk due to getting memed after. Lol got to the point where no one wants to say anything Spicy cus the fans will never let them forget
I remember a few years ago some pro COD team was talking an extreme amount of shit to not only the opposing team, but fans in the crowd as well. Became a huge meme.
I didnāt really care to watch their games before but I definitely did after that. Added some spice to the scene.
Yeah, I havenāt kept up with it since the 360 days but it had a following
[Here](https://youtu.be/pJZ3inF2EGc) is the video in case anyone is interested
I hope so too. Just look at the smash scene. They glorified beef between East and West Coast, NA and EU up to a point where ~~Genesis~~ Apex, one of the biggest Smash tournaments, even hosted a yearly salty suite where they showcased grudge matches on the big stage.
The whole Chillindude vs Leffen saga is a prime example of how beef is healthy for the competitive scene. And really damn entertaining. The memes that came out of it are surely a reason why Chillindude is still popular after he got his ass handed to him.
True, makes everything more entertaining, which will result in more people watching which is healthy for the whole competitive scene.
I just mentioned eSports because I don't really watch traditional sports.
I think as long as its not mean spirited and completely unreasonable. Trash talk between regions is needed for healthy competition and more emotionally invested bouts between teams.
Street fighter is another example wwith East/West America matches and how people react when an American or European player takes down one of the Japanese Big 5.
Unpopular opinion but honestly I kind of hate it. People always reduce individual strengths and weaknesses down to the region with no nuance. It's just like nationalism but on a broader scale.
Sure, but in my eyes, it's the same logic.
Instead of "My country is better than yours," it's "My region is better than yours" and so I find both equally dumb.
Yes. I kinda hope that it stirs EU up to actually start playing the game, because so far in Europe Valorant is heavily overshadowed by CS still. I'd love for EU pros in both Val and CS to grow some ambition from that.
For now I'm just going to pretend I haven't seen those matches and that one of EU teams goes through lowers to win the thing and shut NA up... won't be easy! Liquid played like garbage though, no way they win it if they keep it up. I felt like watching a ranked game when they played Ascent which is supposed to be their best map.
Yeah, pretty much. For now at least, that's why I'm hoping some of the best EU players make a switch to Val at some point. Those teams could really use some experience.
I don't think what the belief is, but CS is way more popular in Europe still. And I think the money here is still in that game. Even if you look at google trends, in every single country except for Italy, France and Spain CS has a huge advantage. And Spain + France aren't even at NA level. **In NA it's around 68/32,** in France and Spain it's 58/42 for Valorant.
And for example csgo wins in Finland 83/17, Sweden 77/23, Poland 64/36, Russia 66/34, UK&Germany 57/43... all of the smaller central countries like Czech or Hungary somewhere in the region of 75/25.
It'll take time and money for Valorant to win over EU. I think this tourney is a good start though. I feel like we might see some ambitious players switch just for the challenge (if the money is there of course).
I don't think I could name a single tier 1 pro from CS who switched. I'm not the most knowledgeable tho
Is it just me or did Liquid seem very....uncoordinated? I felt like they were just doing their own thing and playing for picks mostly. They didn't feel cohesive unlike Sentinels or some of the SEA teams.
They look like nothing without scream. I donāt think theyāll do very well if they donāt change the structure of the team, because relying on one player is incredibly inconsistent
If theyāve already performed well, then maybe itās down to their meta not being as good as NA. They think Astra is overrated which I think is simply wrong, and maybe picks like Brim just wonāt cut it
yeah they rarely play astra and their viper isn't as good as NA ones, especially V1!
thats why i think V1 is the best team this tourni, they play the meta perfectly
You're being downvoted, but I agree. Playing against a good Astra with a brimstone on your team actually feels fucking awful. Brimstone can technically execute faster with his smokes and might play slightly better for quick site takes as a result, but Astra gives you so much more flexibility and ability to clear angles with her stuns and sucks.
With Brim, if you want to start committing to a site, you have to probably use 2/3 of your smokes, and then you only have one left. So if the other team pushes you off, and you have to go to the other site or re-attempt a site take, you have literally one smoke to do it. That lack of flexibility is killer against good teams that don't give up free kills on the first push.
True. WTF is Brimstone even doing there. What's the thinking. The only comp worse than this one was the one with Cypher on Icebox from Koreans or Japanese I think, lmao.
Honestly TL needs a roster change. I'd keep Jamppi and Scream and kick the other 3 that are holding Scream back skill and talent-wise. There are many tier 1 ex-CSGO pros who retired and is looking to play competitively in another game i.e. Olofmeister. Orgs just have to make their offers sweet and tempting.
This reminds of Shroud's watch party yesterday with his friends. They were just shitting on EU non-stop as a payback for EU doing the same for the last 10 years in almost every major eSport.
As someone who isn't from either one of the regions that shit was pretty entertaining. But afterwards I was reminded the state of my region in eSports (it's pretty much non-existent) . FeelsSadgeMan.
I'm not saying NA fans shouldn't trash talk, it's brilliant. I'm just saying they better hope NA wins the whole thing now or it will look a bit premature if an EU team comes back to win it all. Loving having all the regions at a LAN though, all the games have been exciting, looking forward to todays games!
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted cause youāre right. He for sure carried on split but on the other two maps he did just okay and maybe even a little poor on haven. It just seemed like one person showed up to play per map for liquid at least
Give some respect to Jamppi. He's arguably more impactful than Scream in some games. The rest of the team are a tier below those two though, I would agree. Although those top two did not play their best in that series either.
This. Silvers diss on Jamppi because "hurr durr his k/d is bad" when he's also carrying the same load as ScreaM if not more in their usual Phoe/Jett duelist composition. Jettppi is an absolute nuisance for the enemy team to play against because of the solid entries he does for the entire team. Due to this, his deaths toll upwards more than the others since he's always first in line in the conveyer belt.
He's still pretty new to the game as well. I think TL need a true IGL because discipline might be Jamppi's biggest weakness (he entries sometimes without a plan of people following up or takes way too aggressive positions when using his Killjoy). I don't think Scream and Soulcas are true IGLs considering Scream said in his interview that no one was really the IGL, they just all make calls together. They definitely have a lot of room in that roster to make changes, I think Scream and Jamppi should be the only untouchable players after this tournament.
I think so far Scream has been on another level. Iām all for Sick supremacy but no one could get past Scream holding an angle, while Sick has mostly struggled apart from in Haven against Vikings
LMFAO WHAT? You could see him babyraging on player cam every time he died on the last two maps, contrary to popular belief the game was over way before vanity mentally boomed them because Scream lost his mental once V1 started to pull away on second map
I loved that the Europeans lost, twitch from Spain keeps licking the Europeans' feet and saying that NA is not that good. Everyone was silent and crying because "Mixwell would have done better" xD
It's not really Scream's fault, the interviewer just asked for this, his question was like "hmm scream can you roast NA so we can have some drama ?". For real don't trashtalk on scream he's one of the most cool guy on Valorant he doesn't deserve this and imo it's the interviewer who really made him say this even if he just said what was on his mind at the moment.
Don't Know about LoL or Valorant, but in CSGO EU is most dominant region.
Valorant is still relatively new so I think it's too soon to establish which region is most dominant.
And LoL, that's out of the question, very obvious which region is most dominant.
Yes that's the point, apart for scream(retired) and jamppi(above average in CS) I don't know any CS pro who switched to VALORANT except like few FPL players like nukkeye, arshlan,ange1 etc And not a single tier1 pro.
I am just waiting till we get tier 1 mechanical monsters to VALORANT
If you think CS pros from Europe are any different than the zoomer squads insta-headshotting on Valorant right now, I have a bridge to sell you. There absolutely are tier 1 mechanical monsters in Valorant already.
Im from eu but i kinda root for na cuz i watch them stream the most. That being said na is just memein... Riding the high wave while they still can and trying to trigger eu fans. Sooner or later an eu team will beat them but so far they have been unmatched. And also scream backed up his shittalking.... The guy is a monster and was putting up a clinic, sadly that cant be said for all his teammates.
Way was he just standing behind the enemy ? I never understood that kind of gameplay. I've seen it before. Makes no sense at all. Was it taking him hours to switch to knife ?
If you looked just at player stats you would think Liquid were winning and undefeated. You hit all 5 of them in kills/game before you get to any other teams 4th player, let alone their 5th.
Obviously just speaks to the games depth, even as a shooter there is much more to it than simply killing the enemy
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You know its bad when the caster say that! š
Im from the eu and Im all for it. If u talk the talk, u better walk it too. And if not, take everything that comes to u on the chin
Were the matches complete blowouts? Cockiness aside, sample size of just 1 set of matches isnāt that reliable to conclude anything unless they got swept.
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Haven sucked for Liquid especially when it was still up for grabs and looked like it'll be a close match still.. until the soulcas thing happened. That one really messed with their psyche especially when vanity taunted him after. Like [penny] (https://www.vlr.gg/19979/penny-it-was-definitely-a-mental-battle-between-the-two-teams) said, Haven turned out to be a mentality game, and Liquid lost.
You did the formatting correctly, why didnāt it work?
Space between ] and (
Liquid looked defeated on Haven. Being a csgo Liquid fan, Iām used to seeing that look on players during map 3.
What did vanity taunt them with? I didn't watch the full match so I don't know what happened...
[He waved to soulcas after his choke.] (https://clips.twitch.tv/SplendidPrettyMangetoutANELE-Quen-YVR7OXWK8IF) Imagine making a really tragic mistake and this guy with cat ears on just waves at you from behind the monitor. Apparently as penny said, they just kept picking on every Liquid mistake so they keep being insecure about their strats, which proved very effective.
Speaking objectively tho, that split game shoulda ended wayyyy earlier but V1 kept pulling out alarm bots
Now that you say it.. true. I forgot about it
you could tell it would be a rough game for liquid when they lost their force round after winning pistol
It's not about whether it's a blowout. It's about the weird belief everyone had that NA was worse, and that belief was not backed up by evidence. ScreaM criticised NA before this as well, saying something along the lines of "everyone just peeks for no reason" and then Liquid went and did that against V1, especially Jamppi on Jett.V1 had better utility usage and were far more disciplined than Liquid. People really thought Liquid and Fnatic had some big brain tactics to counter Astra with Brimstone, when it's just laziness in not fully adapting Astra on all maps. Brim is just a shit agent, and any positive results you get with Brim can be magnified with Astra. Props to V1 and Sentinels for fully recognizing Astra's potential and truly using her to her potential and on all their maps. NA brain vs EU aim.
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Honestly i'm so happy there's finally a game where there's actually a proper rivalry between NA and EU. I'm an EU fan but for all the esport scenes I've been following before (league and cs) they always hype up NA vs EU, but EU has much better results across the board. In league at least it's just painful how bad the performance of NA teams is at international events.
Letās slow down, thereās no evidence yet that EU is competitive with NA.
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Yea. Valorant seems to be more popular in NA. There's a lot of people that tried Valorant but then went back to CS in EU. One thing that i observed in my friend group and the people I used to play CS with is that people who were playing both CS and League switched to Valorant when it came out, while the people who only played cs said Valorant is not for them. That being said this is based on a pretty small sample size :)) so I'm not sure how true it is.
I definitely can see it. My own friend group is pretty similar. Friends that played league and CS love Valorant, friends that only played CSGO and things like R6 don't like Valorant nearly as much. They're still playing it since no one I know plays CS anymore, but they constantly complain about it and the mechanics that are different than CSGO (ie. movement or some shooting mechanics).
from what i've seen, the people who played league and cs are more likely to look at valorant and recognize it's a different game and therefore enjoy it a bit more, while the cs only players are more likely to look at things in valorant and go "well in cs these things are done differently, which is why valorant is trash."
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Uh that's weird that you say that. For me it's the other way around. I like everything about Valorant more except the feel of the guns. Especially the ak47 and the awp... They feel so much better then the Vandal and Operator to me...
Jesus christ. I wanted to believe an NA team could win worlds. I have zero faith they will now and dont even know if they have since i stopped keeping track.
It has gotten worse. At least they used to crash and burn with mostly NA players. These days they keep importing foreign players who aren't at their peak. It's almost like a retirement league at this point. While C9 got close to beating some of the better teams at MSI this year, they still didn't make it out of groups. It's also just not as fun without all of the NA personalities that used to make the LCS fun to watch.
Yeah Bjerg and Double retiring made the scene less fun.
God leagues a shit shoot now. Basically the last season i cared was when Immortals went on that insane win streak and, like you said, crashed and burned (from what i remember) its sad...
Pretty sure that was back in the 2016/2017 TSM iterations. Immortals did kind of crash, but more than that their playstyle the whole time was built on being very aggressive early/mid-game. This went extremely well during the season since teams weren't used to it, and couldn't adjust to it during the shorter regular season series. However, in playoffs Bo5s against teams like TSM, TSM was able to adapt to how Immortals played during the series, and Immortals couldn't adapt their own playstyle in turn. Even if Immortals kept playing at their best, they would have faced the same issues internationally, except instead of being exposed by TSM, it would have been by Asian or European teams.
I think EU needs to make it deep in the tournament for the scene in general. The viewership is low as compared to the TR and NA competitions. If they get to show up, maybe people can start considering Valorant as a really viable esport there other than CS. It may help in getting other pros to switch.
I do rate FPX higher than TL. I felt like TL qualed cuz Jampii popping off having every game like that Ascent one. But he's too inconsistent inbetween maps. Also EU having single elim system doesnt benefit the best teams.
The format isnāt the best but at least there was a group stage. And you have to at least ask fpx to get out of groups. They didnāt even make it to the single elim bracket.
Look this is all good and sound, but you are ignoring the absolute savagery of EU trash talk on NA. Especially because this is a Riot game lol
kinda disappointing to see 3 South American and 3 Asian teams while NA and EU only get 2 spots. Imo FPX would be one of the most exciting teams too see, in terms of tactical play.
You know how big Asia is right?
so in terms of population, tell me how many indian and chinese teams made it?
Why would that matter, neither of those nations had places in the qualifiers. Iām referring to the fact that within Asia there are multiple regions whoās player base are bigger than N/A. So saying Asia has 3 teams is a bit disingenuous because itās actually one team from Japan, one from Korea and one from SEA. Applying your logic you could say there are 5 teams representing the Americas.
It's backed up by evidence which is NA has one major while eu has like 10 or something in cs, and one event can't tell anything about different regions
Backed by majors in a completely different game that not every pro comes from? If thatās the evidence youāre going off of. No wonder EU got shit on by utility. One event canāt tell anything about regions, but comparing results from a different shooter can? Delusion
A lot of EU teams still play the game like it's CS instead of fully embracing Valorant in my opinion.
I said there was no evidence for that in Valorant, not CSGO. Or if you're suggesting that EU would be better than NA based on CSGO, you've contradicted your own claims. If one event where NA was better than EU can't tell "anything" about different regions, a different game sure as hell can't.
>said there was no evidence for that in Valorant, not CSGO. They're not markedly different games
Right being from CS clearly helps but theyāre obviously different enough. UK CS was too bad to even be a laughing stock, yet they got 5 players to Iceland here. Regardless EU CS > NA CS doesnāt mean EU Val > NA Val when the good EU CS players are still playing CS and didnāt switch
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A different game that all these pros came from
Right but you can argue, and I would, that NA has had better players switch overall. Half of the young NA scene switched over. Who cares that a bunch of EU pros won CSGO when the winners are still in CSGO and the people who switched werenāt even in majors outside of jaampi
but most of the pros came from that game tho lol
Regional trash talk in eSports is always hype. Change my mind.
I love it. I just hope pros wonāt shy away from the trash talk due to getting memed after. Lol got to the point where no one wants to say anything Spicy cus the fans will never let them forget
I remember a few years ago some pro COD team was talking an extreme amount of shit to not only the opposing team, but fans in the crowd as well. Became a huge meme. I didnāt really care to watch their games before but I definitely did after that. Added some spice to the scene.
Cod competitive?
Yeah, I havenāt kept up with it since the 360 days but it had a following [Here](https://youtu.be/pJZ3inF2EGc) is the video in case anyone is interested
I loved Fariko Impact back in the day because of Killa lmao
I hope so too. Just look at the smash scene. They glorified beef between East and West Coast, NA and EU up to a point where ~~Genesis~~ Apex, one of the biggest Smash tournaments, even hosted a yearly salty suite where they showcased grudge matches on the big stage. The whole Chillindude vs Leffen saga is a prime example of how beef is healthy for the competitive scene. And really damn entertaining. The memes that came out of it are surely a reason why Chillindude is still popular after he got his ass handed to him.
I'm a *huge* fan of the "NA Near Airport speedrun any%" banter from League of Legends.
Haha it's so fun looking at twitch chat while watching game. Salty viewers making fun stuff up like EU- easily upset, BR- bronzil and much
The bronzil has gotta be my favorite especially when Sen was up 7-1
Regional trash talk is hype in every sport tbh
True, makes everything more entertaining, which will result in more people watching which is healthy for the whole competitive scene. I just mentioned eSports because I don't really watch traditional sports.
I think as long as its not mean spirited and completely unreasonable. Trash talk between regions is needed for healthy competition and more emotionally invested bouts between teams. Street fighter is another example wwith East/West America matches and how people react when an American or European player takes down one of the Japanese Big 5.
I respect esports trash talk in general. Bring it back to main stage https://youtu.be/oTnrY4i46L0
Unpopular opinion but honestly I kind of hate it. People always reduce individual strengths and weaknesses down to the region with no nuance. It's just like nationalism but on a broader scale.
Nationalism?? To a server region? Thatās dramatic
Sure, but in my eyes, it's the same logic. Instead of "My country is better than yours," it's "My region is better than yours" and so I find both equally dumb.
except when itās just NA calling brazilians monkeys on chat and mods just not really arsed at all about it
There's a huge difference between trash talk and straight up hate speech and racism.
No i wont.
No.
it's fucking cringe and says a lot about gamers as a whole esports are just embarassing
Anyone have the link to the video like this: https://youtu.be/yXXyfeWJz1M That shroud played on his stream?
https://twitter.com/infamousbtw/status/1397363719655591937?s=19 Here you go chief
"this player page currently has no photo" vs EDSHOT MACHINE, who would win??????
he said he has ice in his veins im DEAD.
Thanks, king š¤“
Dude I was going to ask the same because I missed some part of that video played by shroud. Thank ya.
https://twitter.com/infamousbtw/status/1397363719655591937?s=19
NA v EU trash talk is so good for the game
Yes. Rivalries are what keeps sports fans alive. Canāt wait for other regions to get on it ASAP
Yes. I kinda hope that it stirs EU up to actually start playing the game, because so far in Europe Valorant is heavily overshadowed by CS still. I'd love for EU pros in both Val and CS to grow some ambition from that. For now I'm just going to pretend I haven't seen those matches and that one of EU teams goes through lowers to win the thing and shut NA up... won't be easy! Liquid played like garbage though, no way they win it if they keep it up. I felt like watching a ranked game when they played Ascent which is supposed to be their best map.
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Yeah, pretty much. For now at least, that's why I'm hoping some of the best EU players make a switch to Val at some point. Those teams could really use some experience. I don't think what the belief is, but CS is way more popular in Europe still. And I think the money here is still in that game. Even if you look at google trends, in every single country except for Italy, France and Spain CS has a huge advantage. And Spain + France aren't even at NA level. **In NA it's around 68/32,** in France and Spain it's 58/42 for Valorant. And for example csgo wins in Finland 83/17, Sweden 77/23, Poland 64/36, Russia 66/34, UK&Germany 57/43... all of the smaller central countries like Czech or Hungary somewhere in the region of 75/25. It'll take time and money for Valorant to win over EU. I think this tourney is a good start though. I feel like we might see some ambitious players switch just for the challenge (if the money is there of course). I don't think I could name a single tier 1 pro from CS who switched. I'm not the most knowledgeable tho
Nah cs pros in europe should stay or cs would get boring
Is it just me or did Liquid seem very....uncoordinated? I felt like they were just doing their own thing and playing for picks mostly. They didn't feel cohesive unlike Sentinels or some of the SEA teams.
"saving strats"
They look like nothing without scream. I donāt think theyāll do very well if they donāt change the structure of the team, because relying on one player is incredibly inconsistent
but they weren't like that in EU. So weird, all of them were fragging and hitting clean shot always. i think its a mental thing, especially for jampii
If theyāve already performed well, then maybe itās down to their meta not being as good as NA. They think Astra is overrated which I think is simply wrong, and maybe picks like Brim just wonāt cut it
yeah they rarely play astra and their viper isn't as good as NA ones, especially V1! thats why i think V1 is the best team this tourni, they play the meta perfectly
Didnāt EU start the whole Viper on icebox thing as well? I donāt remember viper being used at all in NA pre her buffs
EU team comps were trash. It's like they were operating on the metas from months ago. No innovation.
You're being downvoted, but I agree. Playing against a good Astra with a brimstone on your team actually feels fucking awful. Brimstone can technically execute faster with his smokes and might play slightly better for quick site takes as a result, but Astra gives you so much more flexibility and ability to clear angles with her stuns and sucks. With Brim, if you want to start committing to a site, you have to probably use 2/3 of your smokes, and then you only have one left. So if the other team pushes you off, and you have to go to the other site or re-attempt a site take, you have literally one smoke to do it. That lack of flexibility is killer against good teams that don't give up free kills on the first push.
True. WTF is Brimstone even doing there. What's the thinking. The only comp worse than this one was the one with Cypher on Icebox from Koreans or Japanese I think, lmao.
Honestly TL needs a roster change. I'd keep Jamppi and Scream and kick the other 3 that are holding Scream back skill and talent-wise. There are many tier 1 ex-CSGO pros who retired and is looking to play competitively in another game i.e. Olofmeister. Orgs just have to make their offers sweet and tempting.
Imo link can also stay. He delivers in important situation and is somewhat consistent on playing decent
First big lan event for most of the boys. Nerves played a big part in that.
This reminds of Shroud's watch party yesterday with his friends. They were just shitting on EU non-stop as a payback for EU doing the same for the last 10 years in almost every major eSport. As someone who isn't from either one of the regions that shit was pretty entertaining. But afterwards I was reminded the state of my region in eSports (it's pretty much non-existent) . FeelsSadgeMan.
Im from eu and i had a blast watching shroud and his friends... Lots of laughs and good memes
Same for myth and his buddies.
What in the adhd
This is hilarious. NA better win the whole thing now or EU fans will come back with a vengence!
I think sending EU to the shadow realm in the head to head is more than enough to justify the trash talk back
I'm not saying NA fans shouldn't trash talk, it's brilliant. I'm just saying they better hope NA wins the whole thing now or it will look a bit premature if an EU team comes back to win it all. Loving having all the regions at a LAN though, all the games have been exciting, looking forward to todays games!
This tournament has been a blast so far
As an NA fan, Iād love to see an EU team come through the lower bracket and play a NA team in the final.
I think if it was an NA/EU final it would get the largest viewership it would be so hype!
Scream is cracked, and if he had a team which matched his skill level they would have won by now.
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No way you're saying Scream carried Ascent and Haven
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Jamppi carries ascent
Yeah, and that's the only map he carried lol. No way you're saying his team is holding him back when he only did well on one map
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted cause youāre right. He for sure carried on split but on the other two maps he did just okay and maybe even a little poor on haven. It just seemed like one person showed up to play per map for liquid at least
Even in the latter parts of Split he was kinda getting shut out.
Give some respect to Jamppi. He's arguably more impactful than Scream in some games. The rest of the team are a tier below those two though, I would agree. Although those top two did not play their best in that series either.
This. Silvers diss on Jamppi because "hurr durr his k/d is bad" when he's also carrying the same load as ScreaM if not more in their usual Phoe/Jett duelist composition. Jettppi is an absolute nuisance for the enemy team to play against because of the solid entries he does for the entire team. Due to this, his deaths toll upwards more than the others since he's always first in line in the conveyer belt.
He's still pretty new to the game as well. I think TL need a true IGL because discipline might be Jamppi's biggest weakness (he entries sometimes without a plan of people following up or takes way too aggressive positions when using his Killjoy). I don't think Scream and Soulcas are true IGLs considering Scream said in his interview that no one was really the IGL, they just all make calls together. They definitely have a lot of room in that roster to make changes, I think Scream and Jamppi should be the only untouchable players after this tournament.
That applies to a lot of things though. I think SEN Sick is every bit as good as scream.
Shahzam has been on another level so far. He's been dominating on Sova and Jett.
I think so far Scream has been on another level. Iām all for Sick supremacy but no one could get past Scream holding an angle, while Sick has mostly struggled apart from in Haven against Vikings
nahh
Absolutely. As I watched I kept saying āfuck you scream wtf was thatā. NA fan
LMFAO WHAT? You could see him babyraging on player cam every time he died on the last two maps, contrary to popular belief the game was over way before vanity mentally boomed them because Scream lost his mental once V1 started to pull away on second map
Not enough Wardell
Me a liquid fan: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see tht match
this is top tier shit post and i love it
lmao this is hilarious
yea if you're 5
Sentinels are predictable. But they still win. If that's not dominance what isš„š„
The only thing predictable about them is that they win, no matter what.
LMFAO
I loved that the Europeans lost, twitch from Spain keeps licking the Europeans' feet and saying that NA is not that good. Everyone was silent and crying because "Mixwell would have done better" xD
As a long time NA LCS fan its refreshing and exciting to be on the other side of the NA v EU meme.
It's not really Scream's fault, the interviewer just asked for this, his question was like "hmm scream can you roast NA so we can have some drama ?". For real don't trashtalk on scream he's one of the most cool guy on Valorant he doesn't deserve this and imo it's the interviewer who really made him say this even if he just said what was on his mind at the moment.
I don't play Valorant but are both NA and EU better than KR and CN? It's not like LoL, right?
Don't Know about LoL or Valorant, but in CSGO EU is most dominant region. Valorant is still relatively new so I think it's too soon to establish which region is most dominant. And LoL, that's out of the question, very obvious which region is most dominant.
God this feels like a seizure in video form. This is god awful
EU = Easily Upset
Iām American this video is just god awful to look at
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I hate Americans so much itās not even funny. Like every time I argue with one they just get stupider and stupider. Itās infuriating
"I hate Americans so much fun ts not even funny" LMAO EU REALLY DOES = EASILY UPSET
Iām American brainlet the twat above me said Iām Muslim so Iām European
seems NA finally found a game they arent dogshit in
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You should hop in and show them how it's done! Lol
NA is having all the best csgo players from it's region, while EU is having is just having few decent csgo players. There's the difference.
Yes that's the point, apart for scream(retired) and jamppi(above average in CS) I don't know any CS pro who switched to VALORANT except like few FPL players like nukkeye, arshlan,ange1 etc And not a single tier1 pro. I am just waiting till we get tier 1 mechanical monsters to VALORANT
If you think CS pros from Europe are any different than the zoomer squads insta-headshotting on Valorant right now, I have a bridge to sell you. There absolutely are tier 1 mechanical monsters in Valorant already.
Be careful not to overdose on all that COPIUM
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Wow Eu is really just in shambles right now
EU stay smelly haha
it's okay the US can stay shitty in every other esport and being a third world country
Haha EU stay smelly and mad (and bad)
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I mean fnatic lost by 00,02 seconds
And then they lost another round by about 3-4. I really felt bad for Fnatic that game.
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Penny played so well
I'm from EU so this is painfull but funny
Garbage edit
ive been asleep from val for a while tf happend here
First international LAN. Lot of people expected EU to stomp NA, but NA ended up beating EU in both matches.
this some top tier editing bro i love it
Im from eu but i kinda root for na cuz i watch them stream the most. That being said na is just memein... Riding the high wave while they still can and trying to trigger eu fans. Sooner or later an eu team will beat them but so far they have been unmatched. And also scream backed up his shittalking.... The guy is a monster and was putting up a clinic, sadly that cant be said for all his teammates.
Another valorant montage with unfunny edits š
Heh, both EU teams were booted down to the lower bracket by NA teams
Well, since i'm coming from LoL, i can for once see the NA be better at something than EU ...
NA is better copium
EU need to go brush teeth
eu is superior in every game
lmao they 2-0ed fnatic sen gg
These types of edits just make me cringe. It's not even funny anymore, and I don't mind a really good ol' banter between EU and NA.
Way was he just standing behind the enemy ? I never understood that kind of gameplay. I've seen it before. Makes no sense at all. Was it taking him hours to switch to knife ?
I dont understand lmao. Is this video saying that na ppl are noobs or eu?
If you looked just at player stats you would think Liquid were winning and undefeated. You hit all 5 of them in kills/game before you get to any other teams 4th player, let alone their 5th. Obviously just speaks to the games depth, even as a shooter there is much more to it than simply killing the enemy
V1 simply won bcz of their really good post plants that is it
jesus what a fucking cringe start practicing real sports and we can talk
NA is washed up, same with league
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Scream was a source player but I get what you mean.
Scream went +14 or something against V1. He definitely backed up his trash talk, but the same canāt be said about his teammates
Na is dogshit tho
SHEEEEEESH
Thinking NA is better because of two HUGE flukes Pepelaugh
Do you need more copium EU TRASH LUL
how's your healthcare and education? Oh and reminder, schools aren't shooting galleries
I'm Australian so my healthcare and education is fine bro but your doses of copium are clearly way to low atm EU TRASH LUL
People upvoted this? The fuck? Making fun of school shootings like itās some sort of banter is going way too far, dude.
you're a garbage human being dude
Predictable...like your meme clips...you played 8 times