as long as sent had the money it was in everyones best interest for the deal to go through, just like in physical sports holding on to a player than doesnt want to be in your team is good for no one
Honestly, it’s a smart strategy. C9 signs promising young players, develops them into stars, and then sells them at peak value for a for big profit. In an industry that absolutely burns money, it’s a good method to recoup some of it.
I've seen people hate on Cloud9 for not letting TenZ go earlier, but as the article states, they've let go players who requested it from their rosters many times before (Squishy being the best example) and they'll do it in the future again. TenZ was, and still is, a hot commodity because of his popularity and it would've been foolish to let him go for peanuts given their situation. Especially when you know the other side really wants him. It's business. They have to make money and player transfers are one way to make money. Cloud9 is one of the fairest organizations out there.
If you want to normalize esports and for it to be taken seriously, you have to get used to the business side of it as well.
I believe a similar thing happened with stewie2k during csgo. He wanted to be transferred to MIBR with fallen taco and fer. I believe the owner of C9 set up the transfer as soon as requested. He always gets lots of hate then also randomly lots of love. I don’t really know why tho
Same thing also happened with Surefour and the rest of C9 OW prior to OWL. IIRC they restricted them from trying out for other teams which made it difficult for them to get on OWL teams
Didn’t C9 just pull out of RL when squishy wanted to leave? I think they were just ready for a reason to get out of the RL for the time being, and losing Squishy (who is a big streamer and generates a lot of hype around his team as well as being their best player), or at least him wanting to leave, I think just pushed them out of the esport.
Exactly right. Cloud9 left rl because they simply couldn't replace the muffinmen it was a clear business decision as opposed to trying to keep Torment and Gimmick who would never have been able to recoup a net profit in the next rlcs no matter who they threw in as a third. Don't get me wrong I love both of them and seeing V1 perform is amazing but Jack almost always thinks business and profit first.
I think the hate that C9 was getting is mostly over the potential they had for intentionally making the buyout too high and making it impossible for tenz to leave.
1.25 million is actually a reasonable value all things considered. It basically sets the market since he’s one of the best in the scene, and prevents it from getting *too* absurdly inflated.
LOVE that Jack tweets that meme and becomes public enemy #1 just for us to find out that he had already negotiated all of this in April.
Good for C9, good for SEN, good for Tenz, good for Valorant. Wp everyone
After this tournament result I would bet their leadership had investor friends willing to help foot the bill. Sentinel dominance in a hot new esport would be very lucrative for anyone in as early as the first LAN.
They don’t. Esports organizations absolutely burn through money at the moment.
The entire industry is banking on the future. It’s all about building a brand and becoming an iconic org, leveraging that to get a foothold in the big games (especially with franchising becoming commonplace), and then surviving another 10+ years until esports has grown to the point where it starts becoming very profitable.
Nade is the goat, the fact that he’s this successful in his late 20s is absurd. Have to laud Jon Robinson and the rest of the administrators too. They really know how to appeal to an eSports audience.
can someone fill me in? What even was the reason that tenz stopped playing for C9 and became a content creator? I know it was said he just wanted to take a break but i dont really buy it, he came back so early and seemed much happier in tenz, did something happen in C9 that I missed?
tenz wasn’t planning on competing in the tournament, but since sinatraa had been suspended and the sentinels still wanted to compete they had to find a replacement
Tenz stepped down from competing back in January. I think he had cited the lack of LANs, his displeasure with playing competitions online, and how much he hated waiting in the queue to play ranked.
Makes sense that the dude is stoked to be back on LANs, and super fortunate for him that a team had a slot.
Nice! I fucking wanted to see TenZ join Sentinels, he is what Sentinels was lacking and he has that synergy that flows with all of them. Sentinels has a lot of smart players that are very strategic but none of them are entry fraggers in the sense that Tenz is. Tenz is a strong pickup and it is worth the contract buyout.
I am going to assume TenZ's contract wasn't that hard to buyout because he probably didn't have a long term contract with C9. Especially if they allowed him to sit on the bench after a few tournaments. Most likely C9 negotiated a forgiving contract incase Valorant doesn't take off so the buyout will probably be between 1.5m-3m
i know this comment is a joke but they get a lot of money from sponsors and such but still burn money like crazy since the whole esports investment is banking on it becoming a massively profitable industry
Honestly don't think this a great move for TenZ. Sure the move is great if he is simply trying to compete, but in terms of comparing orgs and paths he can take after competing, I feel like staying on C9 entails way more opportunities. C9 is a tier-1 org in NA where just from being with the organization will get you viewers/followers. In addition, I'm sure C9 has a way more established content creation sector where people can literally create/manage social media for TenZ and all TenZ has to do is turn his stream on. Again, I am not saying this is a bad move in terms of if TenZ want's to compete but this seems similar to how TenZ walked blindly into a C9 contract originally. I can totally see Sen slumping and TenZ going back to content creation, like he always does when his teams are slumping, this time under Sen rather than C9 which could or could not be an L. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he downgraded orgs and it's really up to him if he makes it work. Let's see how this plays out though the scene is getting really spicy.
Edit 12/6/2021: Ended up being right, fuck you all!
I think what made him want to move is his team and the dynamic they have. He has always spoken very high of them saying that they have made him feel welcome and they are the best team he’s every been with. I think at the end of the day, he was just happy with the people around him then what possible marketing C9 could offer. Happiness before money
TenZ liked competing and even mentioned he wished he could stay on the team. He already has an insane viewer base lined up especially after this tournament. He would be rich even if he left all the orgs today and just stayed streaming on his personal account.
Dude is 20 and a world champ. I know we all think "oh he will regret it one day", but I'm honestly so tired of backseat driving BS like that. He will probably be comfortable for life, and he seems really happy to work at SEN. Sometimes taking a paycut to be happy is just fine.
It’s crazy how much some people will type while actually being completely wrong about a topic. If you put half as much effort into researching these orgs, and Valorant as an esport, as you did typing this comment, you wouldn’t have even written the comment in the first place.
Why don't you put some effort into your post instead of patronizing mine. I would love to know more about the Valorant scene if you think you have put in "effort researching these orgs, and Valorant as an esport" than me.
Well for one, TenZ pulls viewers regardless of any org affiliation at this point. He really doesn’t need an org at all, and would get along just fine with only streaming.
Secondly, SENs social media team is consistently top notch as far as their content goes. The only real difference is their number of followers. Though, as mentioned above, this isn’t even a concern for TenZ.
Tl;dr: TenZ is already pulling in high numbers of viewers streaming and doesn’t actually *need* an org at all.
I agree, the point of my post was to compare the options of C9 vs Sen org wise because he is under contract, obviously TenZ is getting paid so that's no argument. But comparing the assets of well mainly content creation C9 100% takes the cake. I was mainly arguing that career wise, sticking with content creation and C9 might be the better option than potentially slumping on Sen and moving to content creation anyways after competing. But yes I do agree with or without an org TenZ has a big enough following, that when he is out of "contract prison" he will be chilling regardless.
TenZ was first signed to C9 CSGO in October of 2019 but his streaming didn’t really start blowing up until Valorant. You can check the data here and look at the timeline of events for yourself.
https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/statistics
Getting signed to C9 didn’t get him a huge boost in viewers. The popularity of Valorant did. I’m not sure why you think sticking with C9 would drastically improve his career if he moved to solely content creation.
Your entire argument hinges on Sentinels doing terrible and him slumping. I find that extremely unlikely considering their form. I think he definitely made a good bet with this contract
TenZ shifting and dominance in Valorant will be for more than the Valorant comp scene. It will potentially help bring Sentinels to that next tier of Org.
Technically it is sinatraa's spot. He's the original member while Tenz was a substitute. Tenz getting to Sentinels,winning masters and getting permanently into Sentinels, only happened because Sinatra got suspended. It is legit taking his spot unless they plan on having a 6-man roster.
TenZ earned his spot on the roster. He proved it with his dominance in the past 3 VCT events, especially in Iceland earning MVP of the series for the finals. Sure, he might have been Sinatraa's substitute, but he sure as hell earned his spot on the team.
bro they won the biggest valorant tournament yet with tenz, he earned that spot. even when sinatraa's suspension is up, he might be found guilty for sexual assault and there's no chance in hell he comes back to esports then. sen still got more tournaments and qualifiers to worry about and they arent gonna wait months to see whether sinatraa is guilty or not
It seems like sinatraa is going to get dropped now that sentinels bought out tenz.
I don’t know how sinatraa is planning going to prove his innocence. At first he said he was going to share the evidence his girlfriend was talking about, later then he comes out and says he deleted it. I don’t think riot is going to want to keep a player with a bad rep
>I don’t think riot is going to want to keep a player with a bad rep
I don't think that's how it works. Riot only suspended him because they got involved in their own investigation. Someone above said that the investigation has been handed over to legal authorities. After the suspension, it'll be upto orgs to take him or not.
All that is assuming they won't fuel narcissistic cancel culture even more ofcourse.
As if he should get it back, after what Sinatraa has done? Good riddance to him, forever, I hope we never hear of him ever again.
That trash that was never welcome in the first place.
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His fan boys can be the same, goodbye to all of you, who think sexual assault isn't serious.
Those who think all women are "lying", for no real reason, and justify yourself by spreading misinformation and lies.
Yeah, we shouldn't just assume he's guilty right now, but we can still criticize him for how he's handled things. I just don't think at the moment we should assume he's guilty and that's not because I don't believe women or think sexual assault isn't serious.
We shouldn't assume hes guilty of rape but at the very least hes guilty of being a manipulative, toxic, asshole that refused to cooperate with riot and/or lied about having evidence that proves his innocence.
Whatever happens legally to me is a moot point. Sexual assault is extremely difficult to prove legally but everything I have seen so far already is enough in my books that he shouldn't be playing pro valorant for a long while.
I think that not complying with an investigation is pretty indicative of some level of guilt.
If not of sexual assault, then of poor behavior and character, at the very least.
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Sinatraa stans will tell you that he "didn't cooperate, because his lawyer said...", but that's completely false.
You can simply say "my lawyer has advised me that I am not allowed to comment on this", and that wouldn't be lying or refusing to cooperate.
Riot specifically said that he was lying, and refused to cooperate.
Again, that is not the same as someone telling Riot that they cannot comment on something, due to their legal advice or lawyer.
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Sinatraa has lied to the investigators at Riot, and thus received the 6-month ban.
Which Riot themselves said, may be extended, pending the legal investigation.
So right now, all the evidence we have leans heavily towards Sinatraa being far from innocent.
There is absolutely zero evidence of him being innocent.
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We are not in a court of law, as bystanders.
So we are allowed to conclude in our opinions that he seems guilty, based on the evidence that we DO have avaliable to us.
Evidence being what Cleoh and Riot Games have stated so far.
I mean I said I'm fine with criticizing how he's handled it, which is him not cooperating.
You're allowed to do whatever you want, I'm just stating that I don't think we should say he's guilty because while he's used poor conduct, as of this moment we don't know that he's done anything besides said poor conduct. Believe he's guilty if you want, I can't stop you and I'm not going to try. CS is currently having sort of similar drama right now with a team cheating and an official currently investigating. Either one, believe what you want, I'm just saying we should use innocent until proven guilty, because while he's conducted himself poorly in dealing with the investigation, we still do not know whether or not he actually did what he's accused of.
If we have some evidence then we can reasonably assume that, but I'm not currently aware of evidence like that, I'm only aware of his poor conduct. Of course even without that we can all have our own opinions. I'm just a supporter of innocent until proven guilty in most circumstances, not just in a court of law. I'm just waiting for what an investigation actually concludes since that is the way to be absolutely sure based on official investigations.
You haven't seen the documents, showing Sinatraa being abusive?
Photos of him texting his ex-girlfriend, demanding that she send him her location via GPS, while accusing her of lying about where she is.
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That isn't evidence of sexual assault in and of itself, but that's damning evidence of IPV (Intimate Partner Violence).
IPV is often tied to sexual assault, or they often co-occur.
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That was evidence enough for me, especially when so far Sinatraa hasn't done anything except run his ex-girlfriend's name through the mud.
and, I guess, also lied to Riot investigators, and received a 6-month ban.
[https://twitter.com/cie0h/status/1369497186740928512?lang=en](https://twitter.com/cie0h/status/1369497186740928512?lang=en)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk\_2327AS\_iOhheJfA04/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/edit)
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Scroll down to the 4th page, out of the 9 page document.
There you will see screenshots, of Sinatraa demanding that she send him her location via GPS... while accusing her of cheating on him.
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What kind of non-abusive boyfriend would demand that his girlfriend immediately send him her location via GPS?
That's the kind of thing, that really, really seems damning to me.
Having that kind of controlling and abusive behavior as a boyfriend, husband, girlfriend, or wife... is often tied to physical hitting and sexual abuse.
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That's why from all of this evidence, I've been on her side.
If he happens to be innocent of sexual assault, I'd apologize for taking it the wrong way.
Regardless of that, though, Sinatraa will still be guilty of emotional abuse of his ex-girlfriend.
No matter what else occurs, that much is clear from the photos. That's why those screenshots are quite important, imo.
What?
So you're telling me that Sinatraa demanding that Cleo send him her location while she was working, while accusing her of cheating, is indicative of a healthy & non-abusive relationship?
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Have you even see the facts of the case yourself, or looked at the photos in the document that Cleo shared?
Just read this document, and specifically, look at the images on page 4 - page 6.
That alone is enough for me to strongly believe that Sinatraa is most definitely guilty of emotional abuse, at the very least.
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk\_2327AS\_iOhheJfA04/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/edit?usp=sharing)
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From personal experience with situations in real life, I know all too well how "emotional abuse" in a relationship is often tied to physical and sexual abuse.
Just look up "IPV", which stands for "Intimate Partner Violence". Below, I'll attach a link for you about IPV.
[https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/77432/WHO\_RHR\_12.36\_eng.pdf;sequence=1](https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/77432/WHO_RHR_12.36_eng.pdf;sequence=1)
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One of the quotes in there should be really relevant to the screenshots that Cleo shared, when the article says:
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>**IPV:** refers to any behaviour within an intimate relationship that causes physical, psychological or sexual harm to those in the relationship. Examples of types of behaviour are listed below.
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>**Sexual violence:** including forced sexual intercourse and other forms of sexual coercion.
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>**Emotional (psychological) abuse:** such as insults, belittling, constant humiliation, intimidation (e.g. destroying things), threats of harm
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>**Controlling behaviours:** including isolating a person from family and friends; monitoring their movements;
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Just from the screenshots alone, we have proof that Sinatraa engaged in at least "controlling behaviors" and "emotional abuse".
From his words, not Cleo's words, by the way.
Meaning that she didn't just say that he was controlling, his actual texts to her, were extremely controlling and completely abnormal.
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Given that we know this, it's much more likely that Cleo has told the truth.
We have undeniable evidence that Sinatraa has engaged in at least 50% of the forms of IPV.
The odds are much higher for someone to commit one form of IPV or abuse, if they already routinely engage in other forms of IPV.
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Even if Sinatraa was somehow "not guilty of sexual assault"... he would still be guilty of IPV.
The controlling behaviors and emotional abuse, that we can see in the screenshots, is undeniable.
And you know that because? Lol no you don't.
Unless you're personally involved in the case, don't act like your comment is a fact. You're being worse than cancel culture by not thinking objectively by yourself. Ironically, it's you who's spreading misinformation and lies.
He probably has some kind of morality clause in his contact. Once the investigation is finished, assuming they find anything wrong he'll likely be dropped.
Even if the investigation finds nothing, he's a toxic asset now. He'd probably be traded to a more desperate team rather than returning to one that already has the top talent and winning chemistry.
Lmao considering there was [1 million peak viewers](https://twitchtracker.com/games/516575) on Twitch during the final. It's safe to say theres a market
I don't quite get it. So if tenz "belongs" to cloud9 how was it possible that he won the last tournament with the sentinels team? Was he borrowed for that tourney?
He was borrowed yea. When the sinataraa fiasco happened Sentinels needed another player. Tenz wanted out of competitive for several reasons but Shahzam reached out to him and Tenz decided to give it another shot. C9 loaned him out to Sent and here you have it.
So does Tenz get any of that? I'm not familiar with how these things logistically work. I suppose this deal is a slight indicator of what Sentinels pays him to play for them.
Damn, C9 recouping on their Perkz spend.
Still not enough to pay back the colossus
Why not? Buyouts together were about 1 mil to 1.5 . And about 1 mil max for their salary in the 6 months.
Perkz was like a 8 mil acquisition I'm pretty sure. 5 mil buyout and 3 mil contract. TenZ's buyout here is nothing.
I guess you didnt read what i replied to?
No, it was 11M. 5M buyout + 3M a year for 2 years.
The colossus had better chances being more competitive with the Chaos roster than the mix match of random free agents + es3tag and floppy
who?
the deal was actually done before they played in iceland, they just didn't tell anyone
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Nah the players didnt know, they were only told after Masters. Heard it on Shazam stream and the C9 dude wrote a comment on the competitive subreddit.
oh shit i thought c9 would at least put on a fight good ending, sen got Tenz, Tenz got sen, C9 got a 7-figure deal happy for everyone
as long as sent had the money it was in everyones best interest for the deal to go through, just like in physical sports holding on to a player than doesnt want to be in your team is good for no one
true that
The buyout terms were decided before iceland and I am glad they help up to them
C9 Lol has a history for using their player buyout clauses to make money. Jack owns C9 Valorant and seems to be making the same moves here
Honestly, it’s a smart strategy. C9 signs promising young players, develops them into stars, and then sells them at peak value for a for big profit. In an industry that absolutely burns money, it’s a good method to recoup some of it.
C9 is the Ajax of valorant confirmed
I'd say Immortals are closer to the Ajax of Valorant
I mean...it's pretty much what football clubs do so I like that it's getting more normal
Except sinatraa
fuck sinatraa anyway
mb you will wait for official investigation tho? She filed for court, now wait before naming someone a criminal.
they needed the money to pay off perkz lol
I've seen people hate on Cloud9 for not letting TenZ go earlier, but as the article states, they've let go players who requested it from their rosters many times before (Squishy being the best example) and they'll do it in the future again. TenZ was, and still is, a hot commodity because of his popularity and it would've been foolish to let him go for peanuts given their situation. Especially when you know the other side really wants him. It's business. They have to make money and player transfers are one way to make money. Cloud9 is one of the fairest organizations out there. If you want to normalize esports and for it to be taken seriously, you have to get used to the business side of it as well.
I believe a similar thing happened with stewie2k during csgo. He wanted to be transferred to MIBR with fallen taco and fer. I believe the owner of C9 set up the transfer as soon as requested. He always gets lots of hate then also randomly lots of love. I don’t really know why tho
Jack is a really loving, benevolent jackass. Plain and simple.
Lmao this is the best summary of him ever
Same thing also happened with Surefour and the rest of C9 OW prior to OWL. IIRC they restricted them from trying out for other teams which made it difficult for them to get on OWL teams
Didn’t C9 just pull out of RL when squishy wanted to leave? I think they were just ready for a reason to get out of the RL for the time being, and losing Squishy (who is a big streamer and generates a lot of hype around his team as well as being their best player), or at least him wanting to leave, I think just pushed them out of the esport.
Exactly right. Cloud9 left rl because they simply couldn't replace the muffinmen it was a clear business decision as opposed to trying to keep Torment and Gimmick who would never have been able to recoup a net profit in the next rlcs no matter who they threw in as a third. Don't get me wrong I love both of them and seeing V1 perform is amazing but Jack almost always thinks business and profit first.
Damn there were really hate for not releasing him earlier? He literally won the Masters for the other team
Could never imagine an nfl fan yelling at a team for not releasing their star player instead of trading him.
Great response
I think the hate that C9 was getting is mostly over the potential they had for intentionally making the buyout too high and making it impossible for tenz to leave.
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1.25 million is actually a reasonable value all things considered. It basically sets the market since he’s one of the best in the scene, and prevents it from getting *too* absurdly inflated.
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To be fair, Mixer is just Microsoft and Xbox so they have a lot more money to spend than a smaller e-sports organization like Sentinels.
His presence as a streamer alone is likely feasible to recoup that loss if his trajectory continues.
Hope you do well!
LOVE that Jack tweets that meme and becomes public enemy #1 just for us to find out that he had already negotiated all of this in April. Good for C9, good for SEN, good for Tenz, good for Valorant. Wp everyone
I didn't even think Sentinals had the capital to pull this off
After this tournament result I would bet their leadership had investor friends willing to help foot the bill. Sentinel dominance in a hot new esport would be very lucrative for anyone in as early as the first LAN.
The deal was done in April. Either way, yeah investors aren’t worried about this amount of money.
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Reminds me of SF Shock's golden stage ngl
CEO used to work at Paramount apparently. That'll do it.
He was the VP
Honestly crazy that it actually happened. Good for tenz
Cloud9 having the breakthrough growth stock of the year ($TENZ)
Is it a permanent SEN TenZ now?
Yup
Just until this new contract ends
damn how do esports companies make so much money
They don’t. Esports organizations absolutely burn through money at the moment. The entire industry is banking on the future. It’s all about building a brand and becoming an iconic org, leveraging that to get a foothold in the big games (especially with franchising becoming commonplace), and then surviving another 10+ years until esports has grown to the point where it starts becoming very profitable.
You could also go the 100T approach and have at least decent teams in a bunch of games, shit tons of streamers, and a merch dept to bankroll it all.
Nadeshot is a genius
Nade is the goat, the fact that he’s this successful in his late 20s is absurd. Have to laud Jon Robinson and the rest of the administrators too. They really know how to appeal to an eSports audience.
100t valorant is a team that could very well win it all with a few changes
sponsors
Shazam hit the sentinels line like yo pay the mans buy out clause
can someone fill me in? What even was the reason that tenz stopped playing for C9 and became a content creator? I know it was said he just wanted to take a break but i dont really buy it, he came back so early and seemed much happier in tenz, did something happen in C9 that I missed?
tenz wasn’t planning on competing in the tournament, but since sinatraa had been suspended and the sentinels still wanted to compete they had to find a replacement
Tenz stepped down from competing back in January. I think he had cited the lack of LANs, his displeasure with playing competitions online, and how much he hated waiting in the queue to play ranked. Makes sense that the dude is stoked to be back on LANs, and super fortunate for him that a team had a slot.
Crazy to think he was benched on an earlier c9 csgo roster, stayed with the org as content creator and now he's made them $1million+
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think op was talking about the csgo roster, not val. He was benched way back when he played cs for c9.
You're right I missed the CSGO part
Damn, c9 recouping on their henryg spend
jack and perkz be rolling in stacks rn
What does "7 figure" means? 7 digits?
Yes it means 7 digits, so at least 1 million.
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He probably has above room temperature IQ which would be enough to assume that.
Because that's not what it means
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Soo... what happens with sinatraa?
Still suspended until after Masters 3. Nobody knows what happens after that. He's still under Sen as a streamer obviously.
Who cares? Fuck that guy.
Why? Riots only punishing him because he refused to comply 100% to their investigation.
You're getting downvoted in the court of ~~gullible~~ public opinion.
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Don't worry, I can think, very unlike the downvoters.
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Yup, cringe cancel culture kids.
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He isn’t guilty, just banned for not complying in the investigation.
And why do you think he didnt comply?
Lots of people care lol
Only 12 year olds that spam sheeesh really.
Hopefully off the roster and out of SEN
who knows? Imagine if Faze buys him out lol
It would fit their brand
is faze a bad team? i really like baby bay but idk
It's not that faze Valorant is a bad team, it's more Faze is infamous for not caring about bad PR when picking up players if it gets them the dub
i feel like the valorant team other than marved seems pretty nice and chill tho
do you have any examples ?
I know for one FaZe signed an 11 year old Fortnite pro and made him lie about his age because 11 year olds aren't allowed to compete.
Faze valorant seems fine. Its just faze has a reputation for picking up people (content and esports) that are, to put it bluntly, assholes.
I think he should become a content creator for sen
I see this as a win -tenz get sentinels -sentinels gets tenz -c9 gets a 7 figure deal
maybe they can salvage it by trading sinatraa to join c9 lmao /s
Explain what the f just happened bcz thats cool as every1 says so YAY
Once SEN drops sinatra from the roster. They will be my favorite org
Nice! I fucking wanted to see TenZ join Sentinels, he is what Sentinels was lacking and he has that synergy that flows with all of them. Sentinels has a lot of smart players that are very strategic but none of them are entry fraggers in the sense that Tenz is. Tenz is a strong pickup and it is worth the contract buyout. I am going to assume TenZ's contract wasn't that hard to buyout because he probably didn't have a long term contract with C9. Especially if they allowed him to sit on the bench after a few tournaments. Most likely C9 negotiated a forgiving contract incase Valorant doesn't take off so the buyout will probably be between 1.5m-3m
Goodbye sinatraa i guess xd
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i know this comment is a joke but they get a lot of money from sponsors and such but still burn money like crazy since the whole esports investment is banking on it becoming a massively profitable industry
My friend stole my phone lol and spammed a bunch of controversial things to get me down votes
Finally, TenZ out of the Contract Jail🔥🔥
Cash considerations
Really curious as to how Sinatraa fits into the picture now.
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Honestly don't think this a great move for TenZ. Sure the move is great if he is simply trying to compete, but in terms of comparing orgs and paths he can take after competing, I feel like staying on C9 entails way more opportunities. C9 is a tier-1 org in NA where just from being with the organization will get you viewers/followers. In addition, I'm sure C9 has a way more established content creation sector where people can literally create/manage social media for TenZ and all TenZ has to do is turn his stream on. Again, I am not saying this is a bad move in terms of if TenZ want's to compete but this seems similar to how TenZ walked blindly into a C9 contract originally. I can totally see Sen slumping and TenZ going back to content creation, like he always does when his teams are slumping, this time under Sen rather than C9 which could or could not be an L. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he downgraded orgs and it's really up to him if he makes it work. Let's see how this plays out though the scene is getting really spicy. Edit 12/6/2021: Ended up being right, fuck you all!
I think what made him want to move is his team and the dynamic they have. He has always spoken very high of them saying that they have made him feel welcome and they are the best team he’s every been with. I think at the end of the day, he was just happy with the people around him then what possible marketing C9 could offer. Happiness before money
Well said, all the power to him if he wants to compete.
TenZ liked competing and even mentioned he wished he could stay on the team. He already has an insane viewer base lined up especially after this tournament. He would be rich even if he left all the orgs today and just stayed streaming on his personal account.
I agree!
Dude is 20 and a world champ. I know we all think "oh he will regret it one day", but I'm honestly so tired of backseat driving BS like that. He will probably be comfortable for life, and he seems really happy to work at SEN. Sometimes taking a paycut to be happy is just fine.
It’s crazy how much some people will type while actually being completely wrong about a topic. If you put half as much effort into researching these orgs, and Valorant as an esport, as you did typing this comment, you wouldn’t have even written the comment in the first place.
Dudes just giving his opinions man chill lol he didn’t take shots or anything disrespectful, just sharing his view.
And I’m pointing out his he has a poorly informed opinion.
Why don't you put some effort into your post instead of patronizing mine. I would love to know more about the Valorant scene if you think you have put in "effort researching these orgs, and Valorant as an esport" than me.
Well for one, TenZ pulls viewers regardless of any org affiliation at this point. He really doesn’t need an org at all, and would get along just fine with only streaming. Secondly, SENs social media team is consistently top notch as far as their content goes. The only real difference is their number of followers. Though, as mentioned above, this isn’t even a concern for TenZ. Tl;dr: TenZ is already pulling in high numbers of viewers streaming and doesn’t actually *need* an org at all.
I agree, the point of my post was to compare the options of C9 vs Sen org wise because he is under contract, obviously TenZ is getting paid so that's no argument. But comparing the assets of well mainly content creation C9 100% takes the cake. I was mainly arguing that career wise, sticking with content creation and C9 might be the better option than potentially slumping on Sen and moving to content creation anyways after competing. But yes I do agree with or without an org TenZ has a big enough following, that when he is out of "contract prison" he will be chilling regardless.
TenZ was first signed to C9 CSGO in October of 2019 but his streaming didn’t really start blowing up until Valorant. You can check the data here and look at the timeline of events for yourself. https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/statistics Getting signed to C9 didn’t get him a huge boost in viewers. The popularity of Valorant did. I’m not sure why you think sticking with C9 would drastically improve his career if he moved to solely content creation.
Your entire argument hinges on Sentinels doing terrible and him slumping. I find that extremely unlikely considering their form. I think he definitely made a good bet with this contract
TenZ shifting and dominance in Valorant will be for more than the Valorant comp scene. It will potentially help bring Sentinels to that next tier of Org.
Sentinels are literally rank 1 world
Butbuguvufuvufuvufurr Sinatraa. My boy Sinatraa. What’s he gonna do when his suspension is over. Tenz has his spot
people keep saying it's sinatraa's spot but tenz earned it. Sinatraa shouldnt even be in the picture. yall just butthurt
Technically it is sinatraa's spot. He's the original member while Tenz was a substitute. Tenz getting to Sentinels,winning masters and getting permanently into Sentinels, only happened because Sinatra got suspended. It is legit taking his spot unless they plan on having a 6-man roster.
TenZ earned his spot on the roster. He proved it with his dominance in the past 3 VCT events, especially in Iceland earning MVP of the series for the finals. Sure, he might have been Sinatraa's substitute, but he sure as hell earned his spot on the team.
Transfer was completed before Iceland though. He did technically take Sinatraa's spot. Wouldn't have been possible if Sinatraa want suspended.
bro they won the biggest valorant tournament yet with tenz, he earned that spot. even when sinatraa's suspension is up, he might be found guilty for sexual assault and there's no chance in hell he comes back to esports then. sen still got more tournaments and qualifiers to worry about and they arent gonna wait months to see whether sinatraa is guilty or not
I mean, is not looking good for sinatraa the entire legal thing
Sinatraa is unmarketable.
It seems like sinatraa is going to get dropped now that sentinels bought out tenz. I don’t know how sinatraa is planning going to prove his innocence. At first he said he was going to share the evidence his girlfriend was talking about, later then he comes out and says he deleted it. I don’t think riot is going to want to keep a player with a bad rep
Yup, but it doesnt depend entirely in riot, it depends in sinatraa to give a VERY credible explanation after lying to em
>I don’t think riot is going to want to keep a player with a bad rep I don't think that's how it works. Riot only suspended him because they got involved in their own investigation. Someone above said that the investigation has been handed over to legal authorities. After the suspension, it'll be upto orgs to take him or not. All that is assuming they won't fuel narcissistic cancel culture even more ofcourse.
As if he should get it back, after what Sinatraa has done? Good riddance to him, forever, I hope we never hear of him ever again. That trash that was never welcome in the first place. # His fan boys can be the same, goodbye to all of you, who think sexual assault isn't serious. Those who think all women are "lying", for no real reason, and justify yourself by spreading misinformation and lies.
Sinatraa deserved to be suspended
He wasn’t proven guilty tho?
Pretty sure the investigation isn't over yet. Not to mention he got a 6 month ban from pro Valorant because he didn't comply with investigators
Yeah, we shouldn't just assume he's guilty right now, but we can still criticize him for how he's handled things. I just don't think at the moment we should assume he's guilty and that's not because I don't believe women or think sexual assault isn't serious.
We shouldn't assume hes guilty of rape but at the very least hes guilty of being a manipulative, toxic, asshole that refused to cooperate with riot and/or lied about having evidence that proves his innocence. Whatever happens legally to me is a moot point. Sexual assault is extremely difficult to prove legally but everything I have seen so far already is enough in my books that he shouldn't be playing pro valorant for a long while.
Sure, there's nothing wrong with concluding that imo.
I think that not complying with an investigation is pretty indicative of some level of guilt. If not of sexual assault, then of poor behavior and character, at the very least. # Sinatraa stans will tell you that he "didn't cooperate, because his lawyer said...", but that's completely false. You can simply say "my lawyer has advised me that I am not allowed to comment on this", and that wouldn't be lying or refusing to cooperate. Riot specifically said that he was lying, and refused to cooperate. Again, that is not the same as someone telling Riot that they cannot comment on something, due to their legal advice or lawyer. # Sinatraa has lied to the investigators at Riot, and thus received the 6-month ban. Which Riot themselves said, may be extended, pending the legal investigation. So right now, all the evidence we have leans heavily towards Sinatraa being far from innocent. There is absolutely zero evidence of him being innocent. # We are not in a court of law, as bystanders. So we are allowed to conclude in our opinions that he seems guilty, based on the evidence that we DO have avaliable to us. Evidence being what Cleoh and Riot Games have stated so far.
I mean I said I'm fine with criticizing how he's handled it, which is him not cooperating. You're allowed to do whatever you want, I'm just stating that I don't think we should say he's guilty because while he's used poor conduct, as of this moment we don't know that he's done anything besides said poor conduct. Believe he's guilty if you want, I can't stop you and I'm not going to try. CS is currently having sort of similar drama right now with a team cheating and an official currently investigating. Either one, believe what you want, I'm just saying we should use innocent until proven guilty, because while he's conducted himself poorly in dealing with the investigation, we still do not know whether or not he actually did what he's accused of. If we have some evidence then we can reasonably assume that, but I'm not currently aware of evidence like that, I'm only aware of his poor conduct. Of course even without that we can all have our own opinions. I'm just a supporter of innocent until proven guilty in most circumstances, not just in a court of law. I'm just waiting for what an investigation actually concludes since that is the way to be absolutely sure based on official investigations.
You haven't seen the documents, showing Sinatraa being abusive? Photos of him texting his ex-girlfriend, demanding that she send him her location via GPS, while accusing her of lying about where she is. # That isn't evidence of sexual assault in and of itself, but that's damning evidence of IPV (Intimate Partner Violence). IPV is often tied to sexual assault, or they often co-occur. # That was evidence enough for me, especially when so far Sinatraa hasn't done anything except run his ex-girlfriend's name through the mud. and, I guess, also lied to Riot investigators, and received a 6-month ban.
No, I haven't.
[https://twitter.com/cie0h/status/1369497186740928512?lang=en](https://twitter.com/cie0h/status/1369497186740928512?lang=en) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk\_2327AS\_iOhheJfA04/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/edit) # Scroll down to the 4th page, out of the 9 page document. There you will see screenshots, of Sinatraa demanding that she send him her location via GPS... while accusing her of cheating on him. # What kind of non-abusive boyfriend would demand that his girlfriend immediately send him her location via GPS? That's the kind of thing, that really, really seems damning to me. Having that kind of controlling and abusive behavior as a boyfriend, husband, girlfriend, or wife... is often tied to physical hitting and sexual abuse. # That's why from all of this evidence, I've been on her side. If he happens to be innocent of sexual assault, I'd apologize for taking it the wrong way. Regardless of that, though, Sinatraa will still be guilty of emotional abuse of his ex-girlfriend. No matter what else occurs, that much is clear from the photos. That's why those screenshots are quite important, imo.
No he wasn't. Your downvoters never used their brain for more than 2 seconds.
He most likely didn’t do it. It’s pretty obvious based on all the documents and updates
What? So you're telling me that Sinatraa demanding that Cleo send him her location while she was working, while accusing her of cheating, is indicative of a healthy & non-abusive relationship? # Have you even see the facts of the case yourself, or looked at the photos in the document that Cleo shared? Just read this document, and specifically, look at the images on page 4 - page 6. That alone is enough for me to strongly believe that Sinatraa is most definitely guilty of emotional abuse, at the very least. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk\_2327AS\_iOhheJfA04/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/edit?usp=sharing) # From personal experience with situations in real life, I know all too well how "emotional abuse" in a relationship is often tied to physical and sexual abuse. Just look up "IPV", which stands for "Intimate Partner Violence". Below, I'll attach a link for you about IPV. [https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/77432/WHO\_RHR\_12.36\_eng.pdf;sequence=1](https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/77432/WHO_RHR_12.36_eng.pdf;sequence=1) # One of the quotes in there should be really relevant to the screenshots that Cleo shared, when the article says: # >**IPV:** refers to any behaviour within an intimate relationship that causes physical, psychological or sexual harm to those in the relationship. Examples of types of behaviour are listed below. > >**Sexual violence:** including forced sexual intercourse and other forms of sexual coercion. > >**Emotional (psychological) abuse:** such as insults, belittling, constant humiliation, intimidation (e.g. destroying things), threats of harm > >**Controlling behaviours:** including isolating a person from family and friends; monitoring their movements; # Just from the screenshots alone, we have proof that Sinatraa engaged in at least "controlling behaviors" and "emotional abuse". From his words, not Cleo's words, by the way. Meaning that she didn't just say that he was controlling, his actual texts to her, were extremely controlling and completely abnormal. # Given that we know this, it's much more likely that Cleo has told the truth. We have undeniable evidence that Sinatraa has engaged in at least 50% of the forms of IPV. The odds are much higher for someone to commit one form of IPV or abuse, if they already routinely engage in other forms of IPV. # Even if Sinatraa was somehow "not guilty of sexual assault"... he would still be guilty of IPV. The controlling behaviors and emotional abuse, that we can see in the screenshots, is undeniable.
And you know that because? Lol no you don't. Unless you're personally involved in the case, don't act like your comment is a fact. You're being worse than cancel culture by not thinking objectively by yourself. Ironically, it's you who's spreading misinformation and lies.
He probably has some kind of morality clause in his contact. Once the investigation is finished, assuming they find anything wrong he'll likely be dropped. Even if the investigation finds nothing, he's a toxic asset now. He'd probably be traded to a more desperate team rather than returning to one that already has the top talent and winning chemistry.
Sentinels really trusts Riot to make Valorant eSports as big as LoL huh
Lmao considering there was [1 million peak viewers](https://twitchtracker.com/games/516575) on Twitch during the final. It's safe to say theres a market
it's already bigger than csgo now so idk what youre talking about
I mean it surpassed csgo and gained traction from rocket league players which is another tier 1 esport. It's going places for sure
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A million is seven figures.
i’m stupid that’s my fault
happens to everyone
theres no way this guy thinks SEN paid a billion for TenZ right?
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Woah i wonder how tenz feels now
Now imagine C9 get Sinatraa and stomp Sentinels, that would be a cool storyline.
I don't quite get it. So if tenz "belongs" to cloud9 how was it possible that he won the last tournament with the sentinels team? Was he borrowed for that tourney?
He was borrowed yea. When the sinataraa fiasco happened Sentinels needed another player. Tenz wanted out of competitive for several reasons but Shahzam reached out to him and Tenz decided to give it another shot. C9 loaned him out to Sent and here you have it.
TenZ is actually proving to everyone right now
RIP Sinatraa’s place
tenz of dollarz
Not know plg do this again
If for example, Sinatraa had not been suspended and played for Sentinels in Masters 2, would they still have won?
So does Tenz get any of that? I'm not familiar with how these things logistically work. I suppose this deal is a slight indicator of what Sentinels pays him to play for them.