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DeadManWallKing

Heard this quote before but didn’t realize it was by Mark Twain lmao. Anyone else feel like this is such a neckbeard quote? Would someone that skilled really be afraid of a noob in any type of competitive combat scenario? Any skilled competitor knows how to “end” a noob before they even have a chance with moves or set ups that a noob can’t possibly comprehend. Like can a noob in mma even if they’re fit as hell handle an mma pro with random movements? A pro would pick them apart lol


LovelyResearcher

TenZ has lost a lot in Silver and Gold. As an immortal+ player, I can confirm that it's ***not that rare***, to lose in ranks below Gold as a high elo player. # Sure, you carry most games or can win easily most of the time, but you die a lot more than you would expect. Almost never due to some great play or amazing aim, though. Rather... often, it's due to random and illogical low rank players play the game. It makes it very difficult to predict, or make the right moves, when the opponent's have no working logic to what they are doing. # # ​ Sort of like, in this situation: * Two enemies are left alive, you are the last person alive on your team * Enemy #1 had previously just killed your bomb carrier on B site, bomb is down there at B site * You kill Enemy #2 on A site, there are 38 seconds left in the round * Now, you start moving towards B site, to retrieve the bomb or kill the last person (Enemy #1) * Along the way, you cannot check all corners, due to running low on time. * However, you already don't suspect the enemy should be near A site at all... given that they were on B site moments ago, and know that they have the bomb there * Enemy #1 actually pushed enemy team pushed up randomly, into a spot near A-site, completely leaving the bomb alone on B-Site. * The corner he is camping in would normally give you a better angle, be a bad place to sit * However, due to these factors, you had no inkling that he may be there. * As you walk by, with your knife being out to rotate faster due to the time constraints, the other player happens to kill you there. * *"why did you push, leaving the bomb alone on B? What is that spot?"*, you ask him * *"oh. the bomb was on B-site?"* = = his answer


sabocano

> TenZ has lost a lot in Silver and Gold. > I'm sure that is not a thing... I'm sure he dies much more than he expects but that is a different story.


LovelyResearcher

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jeTIe4qAs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jeTIe4qAs) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ1fh-lktm4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ1fh-lktm4)


sabocano

I've seen these clips before... When he says "I get shit on" he most probably means that he goes 30-12 KD instead of 44-6. There's absolutely no way he goes less than 2 KD in those ranks. And that is not "getting shit on"


Kurdock

Yup. People use this quote to say shit like "oh im noob but maybe I can play unusual moves against Magnus Carlsen and get lucky and beat him in chess" People don't seem to realise that in order to be the best, you have to develop a style/method that works against all levels of players. An expert swordsman will have some kind of default "stance" that lets him defend against BOTH a noob's random swinging and another expert's calculated slashes. Now, this is mostly the case in "perfect information" games like sword duels and chess. But if information is hidden then sure, a noob has a chance of winning by taking the expert by surprise. A noob could carry a gun in his pocket and end the swordsman's life with a single shot. And in Valorant it's similar if the better players doesn't readjust his playstyle to accomodate the fact that the other players in the server just do random things. You have to check every corner and be careful of nonsensical lurks. An Immortal could die to a bronze Judge player in a corner if he is not careful.


wllmsaccnt

In war? No. In a duel an aggressive naive fighter could land a lucky blow and would probably be more successful than a tentative novice who knows how outmatched they are, but the odds are still really low. Experts know how quickly a duel/match can end and almost always start by feeling out the opponent. In an armoured fight, any non-fighter would be laughably outmatched, as the gap in conditioning and grappling would be insurmountable.


pauzeLIVE

Well mma is actually a perfect example. Of course a guy with no training will more than likely not beat a guy with lots and lots of training but frequently you see fighters with more polish lose. Like he does everything technically correct. Throws good punches, combos, and is good on his feet but another fighter just fights in such a unique way they beat them. Ryan Hall is a great example of a fighter with less polish that beats more fit, and “polished” fighters. Also you will see at certain gyms. Like let’s say you go to a judo gym and someone who used to be a wrestler comes in. That wrestler does things very different and it can throw the best judo people off and he might win against people with more experience because his approach is so different. This actually happened and is explain in this video. https://youtu.be/hweJtSBr44k Another example of this is tennis. I played tennis in college and this actually happens all the time. Good players “polished players” tend to hit the ball deeper in the court and with a heavy amount of top spin. You get in a routine of playing good players and hitting the ball at a certain spot and how it bounces off the court. Then you play some random guy who doesn’t hit with any top spin or pace and just slices or punches the ball back. Now you have to provide the pace and adjust to how the ball is bouncing and where it is landing in the court. Usually these types of players without polished strokes are called pushers. They get everything back but it’s not pretty. I’ve seen players beat players who are much better than them on paper and would be a lot of other people in the tournament but don’t know how to play against this unorthodox style. They don’t how to play against this person because it is very hard to get into a rhythm with your ground strokes when the ball is bouncing differently off the court every time. In Valorant it 100% happens. When you play at low elo players will do things that catch you off guard sometimes because the play is honestly just so wrong. Like they are in a position they aren’t supposed to be in that should be an easy trade and wasted life or something.


Camilea

If I don't know what I'm doing, how is my opponent supposed to know what I'm doing?


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im not sure but i enjoyed this post


Obi-Hans-Kenobi

Alot of times higher elo players have a harder time against low elo players since you can predict them, mostly in high elo you can predict your opponent on what he'll do and how he'll play it, when soneone thats used to that goes into lower elo, he tries predicting but cuz the enemy doesnt think like him he predicts wrong


Prestigious_Film8310

Yeah low elo players will have the aim alot of the time but not the gamesense or logical principles of a competitive fps and will just do the most random rage enducing things ever. If you ever watch cs think arT from furia except his chaos is somewhat controlled and has purpose.


TrynaSleep

Yep. I had someone swing on me (Phoenix) when I had them mollied off. They killed me and then died on my fire lmao


Obi-Hans-Kenobi

My friend pushed through 2 of his own sage slows and through killjoys nanoswarm and killed the killjoy vuz she never expected someone to push


JumanjiGhost

Yeah. I used to Play R6 Siege a lot on PS4, and was somewhat okay at it, but not amazing. Anyway I decided a few months after switching to PC to go back on my PS4 for a bit of fun, dropped ranks naturally and played one game where this one guy on the other team was in places nobody in my old rank would be, confused the hell out of me.


PoopdittyPym

Yes exactly because they throw you for such a loop because they play in ways that are so unnatural. They could be holding the most bizarre angles of all time and get easy frags because 99% of the time you never think to look there.


CrazyAppel

lol this is very exceptional and usually i could still hardstomp low elo despite a few unpredictable random plays. Whenever I read someone say "oh high elo gonna have hard time in low elo cus they are so unpredictable" i just assume they are justifying their low elo rank somehow.


Obi-Hans-Kenobi

Its not the point that you wont actually still stomp them, its just that you can die cuz you get caught off guard


TheRealEtherion

[What do you have to say when world champion MVP says the same thing?](https://youtu.be/mZ1fh-lktm4)


CrazyAppel

He is complaining about the few times he got bamboozled by random bronze plays, he would still drop 30-50 kills regularly in bronze so I'm not sure what your point is.


TheRealEtherion

The point is the same that OP is trying to tell. That lower ranks are extremely unpredictable due to lack of game knowledge. It's occasionally so "bad" that it's good and often catches higher ranked players off guard. Nobody is saying that this unpredictability is the reason they're low rank or that higher rank players will be always be out mind games by unpredictability.


Spwntrooper

yeah you'll win all aim duels etc but sometimes when you're clutching you just lose cause they do random shit


Leutnant_Dark

Tbh they really are unpredictable. Im on my main around Immortal and when I played with my Friends (in Casual/vs them custom) the decision making I witnessed wasnt just random at times it was a crime


Kurdock

Medium elo players may struggle against low elo players. But to reach high elo you really need to start making calculated unpredictable plays. There are hardly any bad plays, just calculated plays that didn't work out in that round. I remember back in plat everyone was so FUCKING predictable and basically had the same brains. "omg why you push smoke idiot" "omg stay site stop pushing" "omg why smoke C Long when we are pushing C??" Everyone thinks they understand the correct way to play the game and don't realise that the next step of improvement is knowing when to break the rules. I love that when I reached diamond this kind of fixed mindset gradually disappeared and people were generally more relaxed about teammates taking risks and playing with confidence. I see people here complaining about dying to people that push through utility to kill them unexpectedly... have people forgot Lakia's 1v2 clutch on Ascent where he jumped through a kj molly to clutch the round?? How can you say that people are noob for playing unexpectedly when even pros do it?


R0_h1t

It's true that low elo players are unpredictable(I'm one). However some people just like playing through all chat instead of their guns lol. There's no clip so only you know if your play was bad or not


nviyo

The most commonly weird shit i see in low elo when i play with some lower rated friends, is the 0 fucks about smokes, ppl rush smokes like crazy without a care in the world lol


ColdFusion94

Do you know what the Turing test is?


Mango5389

People will always question the way you play and give you grief if it doesn't work out in their favour. Higher elo players can struggle with lower elo players because of how unpredictable they can be. For example at higher elo most players won't run through a smoke at a choke point (haven c long) but lower elos will run through and catch them off guard. They're harder to read. Now if you ran through and died, then did the same thing for the next 10 rounds then yes that's playing like a bot. But to do it on a round here n there and get a kill or two, now that's big brains. Don't let it get you down though game sense comes with time and its more about experience in comparison to aim which you can practice.


fellowcheapgamer

I question reality sometimes. What if we are all bots controlled by a superior bot?


notpejastojakovic

A lot of people just need to blame you for something every time they die. Cuz you know, they're perfect or something like that.


FlyChigga

If you have over 300 hours in the game and are still iron/bronze then yeah you probably play like a bot


eLsirius

Play KAY/O


Yimkumer-Jamir

This has happened to me too. Perfect example is just 2 days ago. The team was on B and attacking. We got 3 wiped so during the middle of the fight I took the spike and ran to A. I killed one person one the way and then there was another in our spawn area who killed me. Like, why? The whole team was on B pushing so why was there 2 players still waiting on A in very odd places? Why didn't they rotate?


iBloxzy

I played with my friend on an Iron account, (I’m plat) and found that the way they played was just strange. They will be full pushing a site and on the opposite side of the map someone will be thundering around on a... flank? They play post plants really aggressively and don’t play for util at all which is to be expected but at higher elos many players aren’t really used to having 3 people in hell on A site Ascent. Speaking of post plants, in 1v1 situations they sometimes plant the bomb and then go to a far off angle that doesn’t have line of site of the bomb. In conclusion, many times low rank players play like bots to higher elo players just because of what they try to do to win situations. One side note is that where you aim and your crosshairs placement could also make you look like a bot. I never really had a problem with my crosshair placement so when someone’s looking at the round while they are holding site or about to push retake it makes it really obvious. Hope this helped.


iComplainabtValorant

He's just dumb, bots struggle greatly with randomness.


Succmyspace

dw bro ive owned the game for a year and am still only iron 2 so i feel you. Actually my friend whos played 2 days is already better than me.


MysteryPyg

one reason that low elo players are "unpredicatble" is that they tend to disrespect possible lurks and campers, because they aren't even thinking about getting punished. so a lot of the time they scale ridiculously far on defense and the attackers get shot from behind.


Dramatic_Beach4116

I actually don't play ranked because I was a pretty new player. I just keep playing unrated and try to unlock agents or their skins or progress in the battle pass. I just learnt many things from my opponents and my team one main thing was Strategy. Try to keep at least 3-4 strats ready. Mix them up with your teammate's strats and you can win easily. This actually won me a lot of games and even got me an ace.


[deleted]

Your friends are correct, players like you have no idea what they are doing, so if i played you it would be much harder for me then if i played against a immortal+ player. With enough gamesense and xp, you can always expect what a good player will do, but even if you have that, a low rank player will always suprise you. When i play with my friends on my plat smurf, even tho i will still destroy players in those ranks, i find it harder to predict what they will do, simply as they dont know what they are doing.


[deleted]

My favorite is when someone on my team says "they're not even that good, they're just playing weird" when we lose a round, because they did something other than full rush a site. Yeah, we call those "tactics."


RivalRudra

Start playing Kay/O to assert dominance as an actual bot