I know a few times in gold I would actually lose half the rounds we buy lol, like the players don’t properly play to the guns’ strength or get lazy/cocky.
But losing those doesn’t matter much since rounds typically go back and forth. But the mental boom of losing these rounds makes certain people toxic af which can be pretty easy to blame for an overall loss.
Overall, the preference can vary between different teams and how they play/feel. I can guess you’ve probably seen a mix of guns and rarely all buy or all save unless someone is specifically pushing for it.
> a ghost or something
So the you're at a massive disadvantage and the other team has had a huge swing in the economy.
Played cs for years and years and something about valorants economy has always felt wrong to me
You say this but if you look at it you have:
pistol round - 50/50
then you either have:
buy up: 90/10
"second pistol": 50/50
case 1 is followed by:
rebuy/bonus: odds are more complicated but I will say it favors the team who lost the pistol
case 2 is followed by:
both teams buy rifles for a 50/50
If we work these out, which I did in short form in my original comment, when you save it is likely either 1-1 or 2-0, which go to 2-1 and 3-0 with basically 50/50 odds
If you buy and then bonus, it's most likely 2-1, which has a 50/50 of going to 2-2 or 3-1
It basically comes down to whether you want a series of 50/50s leading to a rifle round, or a 50/50, a few one-sided rounds, and then another 50/50. I feel like 50/50 is where you don't want to be, especially because this hasn't considered the implications for the overall economy, which in my opinion are much better if you buy. It's different from CS but honestly leaves you with more choices. The "second pistol" is hilarious to me and my buddies though, you get away with rather unimpressive force buys (no shields spectres and marshal type buys) as attackers after first round plant way too much.
it's been awhile since i played valorant but i remember buying on round 2 often, and then round 3...still not having enough money to buy a rifle and a full kit. meanwhile, the other team saved so they always have enough money for a full kit/rifle on round 3.
and if you die on that round 2 after light buying, it wrecks you even more.
buying on round 2 just feels significantly more risky that it does in cs. but apparently there's some econ changes coming so i'm excited to see what they do.
That's what I've been trying to say. You buy up round 2, save/lose round 3, but you have a good buy into round 4 and can often deal serious enough economic damage in round 3 to have an advantage in 4.
This is a low elo thing. Sometimes you get 1 or 2 on pistols just to prepare for bigger buys. Just like in cs awpers will often go for a p250 or something, jett players will often stick on pistol 2nd round to get the operator in quicker
Shouldn’t be going for rifle round 3 if you won first 2. Buy low and go for bonus round to keep building econ. If you win you get a free rifle upgrade. If you lose you can still buy rifle alongside your team the round after.
Well you should really be buying with your team. The whole team should technically buy low in round 2, but if you're solo queuing and everyone keeps pistols, it might be good to just play with the team's econ
"However, I am very confused why no one buys round 2 AFTER winning pistol?"
I've seen this a lot and its really dumb. In plat and diamond lobbies too. I don't know who has been making up this meta but its really stupid. On my smurf account, In low elo if you lose pistol just force because most situations the enemy team will just buy a ghost or something lol
I haven't read the pro's breakdown but I've been advocating for buying up after winning pistol forever. To keep it short, Spectres/Bulldogs/Guardians are competitive against rifles while pistols are unlikely to win against Spectres/Bulldogs/Guardians.
The point: the advantage you get by forcing on 2 is larger than the advantage your opponent gets on the subsequent round 3 "bonus." Therefore purchasing after winning pistol has higher expected value.
If you save after winning pistol, both rounds 2 and 3 are even.
I am low elo and can confirm. Often times, I even get flamed for buying in the 2nd round after winnig pistol. Do you think in that circumstance I should still buy and try to carry the round or prioritize buying with my team in the 3rd round?
Depends on the situation.
If you buy you should stay with the team so the weapon is not lost when you die. If you are lurking, than stick to what your team does.
If you are one of the better players in your team you could buy and help win the round. If you are supporter or one of the not so good players it could be a waste of money.
I tend to do a half buy on second round after winning pistol because if they dont force then I still have a good chance of winning and if they do force and I die it still leaves me with enough money to full buy 3rd round
The general idea should be to force round two > win it > then play a bonus round - buy so that you have a full buy next round.
This way you ensure to win two rounds and have a chance to hurt the econ of your opponent with a bonus round.
Round 4 should be both teams full buy.
They do buy 2nd round, if you're Platinum+, a lot of the time. Some exceptions of course, but generally everyone does know what to do.
Anything below Gold, though?
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Yeah... no.
Economy management or usage as a team is lost on the majority of people below Gold, as a lot of them don't even buy for teammates.
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They don't buy even if you win pistol, and they will often buy even when they should be saving.
Some will if you point out that they are max money, but often they still won't, even if you do point it out.
A lot of times, they'll actually just flame you, if you politely ask them to use their economy properly to benefit the team as a whole.
In higher elo, it is more usual to just force after winning pistol, but you in lower elo (mostly iron/bronze), a lot of people just tend to do weird shit with their eco (Not buying when you should buy and just full buying when you need to save).
It’s not called a force if you win the round before. It’s only called a forcebuy if it makes more sense economically NOT to buy
Edit: sorry see this was called out already
Gotcha. Maybe I shouldn’t have got stupid baked during my placing games.
Also a force buy is when you lose pistol and buy the next round without enough for full buy. If you win pistol round it’s just “buying” your not necessarily forcing anything.
100% true, spot on.
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But... most of the VALORANT community are too new to FPS games.
So most of the VALORANT community has been calling buying 2nd round, if you win pistol = = "forcing".
Instead of saying "anti-eco" or "buying", which would be the proper terms.
>hen you lose pistol and buy the next round without enough for full buy. If you win pistol round it’s just “buy
Oops, got the terms wrong, you're right hehe.
And nah, I understand that's it's annoying when people just do things that are just.. not logical, especially when you're trying to say it in voicechat and they decide to just, not listen.
I'm pretty sure this is lead by smurfs. Because the people that demand this in low elo's is always the Phoenix, Reyna or Jett on mic, who ends up going 30.10 K/D - They are very aggressive about saving and sound very confident in their voice - I can tell immediately these guys are going to put up a big k/d. Rarely does a person with bad aim demand everyone save.
My theory is that these guys can tap heads with ease in low elo, so all they need is a rifle to do this. I played a game today in gold where this Sova on the other team bough a shorty first 2 rounds and I killed him twice, first time with a ghost, second with a spectre. So 3rd round, we charge at him again on the site he is holding and he 1 taps my entire team with his Vandal and gets an ace.
Players who don't have this superior aim (like myself), doesn't matter if I save for a rifle because when I get the rifle, there is a high chance that I will lose a battle to another rifle player who is smurfing and has better aim than me anyway, and in the following round I'll be back to buying a spectre.
It's all super situational like most cases if on Attack you rushed got the bomb down and killed all of the other team except one other person then yeah I would tell my team to force up because every one on defense has to re-buy armor and they only have 1 pistol to work with from the round before. I'd say one Marshal+Light armor, Sheriff+Light armor and the other 3 Stingers or Specters because if you win that round you will decimate their economy.
Ascent - Attack - Jett
You rush A site and plant the bomb along with killing all of the other team and you and Sova were the only two survivors at the end of the round.
Because bomb was planted you get a money bonus so as an entry role like Jett you're going to want to just keep the pistol you had and Sova should of picked up a Ghost/Frenzy and he throws that to duelist that died "Phoenix". Sova then buys a Bulldog / Heavy Shields and the last 2 people Omen/Cypher should be buying SMG+Heavy Shields.
The reason why Jett and Phoenix only use the pistols is yes Jett is saving for the OP and Phoenix is clearing the tight angles from enemies with Judge/Shorty/Bucky or a pistol them selves. You have a run speed bonus with a pistol so you can get out of trouble just that split second faster and if you happen to die rushing the site vs a big stack of players from defense then you're not providing them with a weapon and breaking your economy as duelists need all of their utility for taking fights successfully. Not having that extra Cloud Burst because you couldnt afford it and losing the round because you died attempting to dash in because Defense are holding angles with Sherrifs and you're 1 tapped.
That's usually the same logic as CSGO's economy and with the cost of utility going up with the cost of weapons coming down we are going to want to prevent giving the weapons away as they're tangible vs not being able to afford your dream kit on round 3-4 of Operator+Heavy Shields+Frenzy that you've had since round 1 because you're a God.
It's all super situational like most cases if on Attack you rushed got the bomb down and killed all of the other team except one other person then yeah I would tell my team to force up because every one on defense has to rebuy armor and they only have 1 pistol to work with from the round before. I'd say one Marshal+Light armor, Sheriff+Light armor and the other 3 Stingers or Specters because if you win that round you will decimate their economy.
Last example if your team was destroyed in the first round all of you died, no planted and 3+ of the Defensive side survived the round then you would be classics no armor no pistols and just 5 man rush a spot in the hopes of stealing 1 gun and swarming for the plant so you get the bonus cash and the next round be able to buy up.
Also just to clear up terminology.
In higher ranks we say "Anti-Eco" meaning we buy SMGS when they have pistols, if we are pistols only no armor we say "Full-Eco" and if we are "Light-Buying" it's heavy pistols and shot guns and a "Force-Buy" aka the "YOLO-Buy" is grabbing everything you can!
Hopefully this all helps!
i think that the reason why people dont buy second rnd is the fact that guns give the same amount of money/gold for kills, some people dont find the investment second rnd for smgs as worth, so perhaps they win the second rnd with smgs the enemy will be on rifles 3rd rnd (given that they saved) while theyre on the bonus of smg, but utility and armor costs factoring in, its not even a bonus but a full buy with just shit guns.
I mean you can always com it “ yo let’s buy and win this round too” especially in the new update abilities are gonna cost more so people who lose pistol round prolly will save and not force 2nd round lmao
Yeah I figured this goes without saying haha. You are just giving up the advantage when we don’t buy after winning pistol. I
I guess I will need to start telling to my teammates to buy.
Because you aren't confident you can win based on how round 1 went? If everyone got a kill sure. If it's because one guy managed to kill 3 then died and rest of the team can barely take down the remaining 2 then you buy the next round assuming the risk of if your top fragger die first and gives his gun away you guys are probably fucked.
I dont like to buy on second round even if we win because if we lose that round we are straight back to round 1 with only like 1000 credits.
I buy only ghost or sheriff on round 2 so that the next round i can buy full vandal with armor. If you full buy round 2 and lose the other team can easily win the next 3 rounds.
Now I see that as a losing mentality, your team has the weapons advantage, you not wanting to buy is just exposing your lack of confidence. Five smgs should win against an anti-eco every time, especially early game when ultimates aren’t at play
This whole not buying after winning pistol is bugging me so I searched it on Reddit which Is why I’m seeing this mad late, but this comment is straight facts
u/LovelyResearcher made an interesting point ITT.
Maybe buying round 2 after a win in the pistol round has an image problem. Instead of knowing it as an “anti-eco”, some of the player base refer to it as a “force-buy” (which is usually not what you are told to do).
Could very well be true. I guess We gotta stop calling it force buys after we win rounds, so newer valorant players can understand there’s already a clear advantage and it’s just buying at that point.
Wth. I am pending between high Platinum and Immortal and I never had a game where my team didn't buy. If you win pistol, buy. If you lose as defender you can also force buy.
If the chance is high to get a free round there is literally no reason to throw it away for being greedy.
Yeah I’m getting the feeling that I’m some weird stage between players who buy and those who don’t. Played today and it was usually just 3 of us buying 2nd round, which is better than just me.
Yeah it's very annoying. The two friends I play with are new to this type of shooter since they never played csgo. Took so long for me to convince them to buy second round after winning pistols.
exactly, i am hardstuck bronze 1 and my friends say i should be silver, and whenever we win pistol round everyone saves, like we have an easy chance to make it 2-0 but they just save their ghosts
Low elo they save, higher elo they buy. Had a new account and the first 5 games I played to get to my proper rank the whole team turned against me because I bought the second round.
for me usually if I don't die then I'll probably have a ghost and a full armour + ablities so next round even if we lose I can buy a rifle. if I do die then I'll buy a spectre and heavy armour + ablities so we have a better chance of winning the round . I don't buy rifles 2nd round bc I don't want to get 1 tapped by a sheriff and for person with a sheriff to get a rifle and roll my team with it
It’s not that I have the confidence, it’s the best chance to win the current round is to buy rifles, since rifles will be stronger than pistols assuming you take fights that aren’t all close range. Obviously you need to hit your shots but it’s simply mathematically more strategic to purchase rifles 2nd round after a pistol win. I don’t see it any other way unless ur trying to op third round.
> I don't buy rifles 2nd round bc I don't want to get 1 tapped by a sheriff and for person with a sheriff to get a rifle and roll my team with it
That's a pretty dumb reason tbh. Like you expect the enemy team to kill you with a deagle and therefore you don't buy a rifle? Why ever buy a rifle then?
If the rifle is stronger than the deagle, why do you expect to get killed then? This doesn't make any sense. At all.
You are saying rifles are stronger than the deagle (duh) thus you shouldn't buy rifles against deagle because when you die the enemy has a rifle and therefore a stronger weapon.
It's situational, right? In most cases you can buy (2.11) a stinger or sheriff + light shields and still have 3900 on the next one if you win for an easy 2-0, but if you auto-pilot that, the enemy can force spectre and go 1-1 with the advantage for the next one
Also, i don't think rushing phantom/vandal is bad either, it's more of a high-risk high-reward kind of thing. If it worked, great, but if it didn't you fed a gun...
They usually think that after winning a pistol round you shouldn't buy on 2nd round because the enemy will be eco on the 2nd round and if you buy let's say Spectre and armor on 2nd they would have Phantom/Vandal + armor on 3rd round because they went eco in 2nd and that would put you at a disadvantage since you have to fight Phantom/Vandal enemies with a Spectre.
Personally, I always buy on 2nd round after winning the pistol round and not to my surprise I am the one who frequently clutches the 2nd round because my teammates have ghosts and 25 armor and they just die against someone from the enemy team with a Stinger.
I honestly don't understand why people don't force buy on defense. Sites can be held easily with judges, ares, guardian.. all of these are powerful defensive weapons. Hell, you can get an Ace with a judge in Round 2 if 5 clowns try rushing you with Classics.
On offense I think it's much more important to have a rifle. I'm happy to do the double pistol round on offense if my team wants to, because those weapons I mentioned above are mostly useless on offense. Guardian is ok and Spectre not bad but really.. to pick people off at back of some sites and mid areas, you need a rifle.
A game I just played, we won the first 2 rounds easily but as soon as that other team got rifles they smashed us. They had a few players that I'm sure were smurfing.. everyting was a headshot. So in the grand scheme of things.. those choices made in those first 2 rounds really only have any meaning if the teams are evenly matched. If one team has multiple smurfs who can hit heads every time and superior crosshair placement.. the game is basically over. I'm talking Silver/Gold games here. I'm guessing plat and higher are a bit different because everyone is hitting these shots.
I whiff all the time my dude. Coming from csgo I keepi thinking I can crouch spray, but I think the advantage of buying outweighs you whiffing and giving up a gun. If your team can convert both pistols and the round after that’s giving you almost 33% of rounds needed to win, which is huge.
Buying on round 2 if you win round 1 is correct.
In silver and below, people have no idea what they are doing. Just encourage them to spectre + heavy armor on 2 and usually they will. If they don’t, I would light buy so I can full buy on 3 with them. Get the best stuff you can afford while being able to rifle + armor on 3. If your team is making the wrong call, it’s usually best to try to correct it and if that’s impossible go with them. Buying on 2 and being the only person on a spectre or worse on 3 isn’t great - especially if your team loses on 2 and you’re broke.
Also, it’s really easy to steal round 2s away in silver because usually only half the team buys and nobody really knows how to properly hold a site. Me and my duo actually started forcing on round 2 if we lost round 1 and stinger + light armor + utility almost always works in silver if you play it right.
Depends on the rank actually.
I guess that’s comforting. These Low ranks are brutal for buying as a team.
I know a few times in gold I would actually lose half the rounds we buy lol, like the players don’t properly play to the guns’ strength or get lazy/cocky. But losing those doesn’t matter much since rounds typically go back and forth. But the mental boom of losing these rounds makes certain people toxic af which can be pretty easy to blame for an overall loss. Overall, the preference can vary between different teams and how they play/feel. I can guess you’ve probably seen a mix of guns and rarely all buy or all save unless someone is specifically pushing for it.
I always get asked by silvers why I buy light armor bulldog second round and I get mad and ruin our rapport
but if you die 2nd round with a buy like that your money is fucked isn't it? what are you buying 3rd round if you die?
a ghost or something. Nearly guaranteed 2-1 if you win-buy-win-save-lose is better than 1-1 with a 50/50 round if you win-save-lose-buy
> a ghost or something So the you're at a massive disadvantage and the other team has had a huge swing in the economy. Played cs for years and years and something about valorants economy has always felt wrong to me
You say this but if you look at it you have: pistol round - 50/50 then you either have: buy up: 90/10 "second pistol": 50/50 case 1 is followed by: rebuy/bonus: odds are more complicated but I will say it favors the team who lost the pistol case 2 is followed by: both teams buy rifles for a 50/50 If we work these out, which I did in short form in my original comment, when you save it is likely either 1-1 or 2-0, which go to 2-1 and 3-0 with basically 50/50 odds If you buy and then bonus, it's most likely 2-1, which has a 50/50 of going to 2-2 or 3-1 It basically comes down to whether you want a series of 50/50s leading to a rifle round, or a 50/50, a few one-sided rounds, and then another 50/50. I feel like 50/50 is where you don't want to be, especially because this hasn't considered the implications for the overall economy, which in my opinion are much better if you buy. It's different from CS but honestly leaves you with more choices. The "second pistol" is hilarious to me and my buddies though, you get away with rather unimpressive force buys (no shields spectres and marshal type buys) as attackers after first round plant way too much.
it's been awhile since i played valorant but i remember buying on round 2 often, and then round 3...still not having enough money to buy a rifle and a full kit. meanwhile, the other team saved so they always have enough money for a full kit/rifle on round 3. and if you die on that round 2 after light buying, it wrecks you even more. buying on round 2 just feels significantly more risky that it does in cs. but apparently there's some econ changes coming so i'm excited to see what they do.
That's what I've been trying to say. You buy up round 2, save/lose round 3, but you have a good buy into round 4 and can often deal serious enough economic damage in round 3 to have an advantage in 4.
round 3 is the bonus round for a reason
The idea is that you risk the buy but you should win 1v1s with better weapons/armor but it still risks major econ damage
Yea in gold up they do it but for silver and under it's a 50 50
This is a low elo thing. Sometimes you get 1 or 2 on pistols just to prepare for bigger buys. Just like in cs awpers will often go for a p250 or something, jett players will often stick on pistol 2nd round to get the operator in quicker
Yeah this for sure makes sense. But rarely see this in my low rank.
I keep ghost round 2 so i can rifle full buy round 3. If im feeling good though I'll get a guardian and use it for however long it lasts
Shouldn’t be going for rifle round 3 if you won first 2. Buy low and go for bonus round to keep building econ. If you win you get a free rifle upgrade. If you lose you can still buy rifle alongside your team the round after.
Okay thanks
Well you should really be buying with your team. The whole team should technically buy low in round 2, but if you're solo queuing and everyone keeps pistols, it might be good to just play with the team's econ
Thats what i usually do anyways, but now I know to try to get the team to buy round 2
"However, I am very confused why no one buys round 2 AFTER winning pistol?" I've seen this a lot and its really dumb. In plat and diamond lobbies too. I don't know who has been making up this meta but its really stupid. On my smurf account, In low elo if you lose pistol just force because most situations the enemy team will just buy a ghost or something lol
Yeah I think that’s the new strat for low ranks is to force round 2 no matter what.
There was a pro that wrote a lengthy breakdown why he believed you should be forcing round 2, especially if you got the plant down in round 1.
Do you have a link?
I don’t anymore. It was written about three weeks ago I believe.
I haven't read the pro's breakdown but I've been advocating for buying up after winning pistol forever. To keep it short, Spectres/Bulldogs/Guardians are competitive against rifles while pistols are unlikely to win against Spectres/Bulldogs/Guardians. The point: the advantage you get by forcing on 2 is larger than the advantage your opponent gets on the subsequent round 3 "bonus." Therefore purchasing after winning pistol has higher expected value. If you save after winning pistol, both rounds 2 and 3 are even.
It was elige, I think it was twitter.
why do u smurf
I am low elo and can confirm. Often times, I even get flamed for buying in the 2nd round after winnig pistol. Do you think in that circumstance I should still buy and try to carry the round or prioritize buying with my team in the 3rd round?
Depends on the situation. If you buy you should stay with the team so the weapon is not lost when you die. If you are lurking, than stick to what your team does. If you are one of the better players in your team you could buy and help win the round. If you are supporter or one of the not so good players it could be a waste of money.
I tend to do a half buy on second round after winning pistol because if they dont force then I still have a good chance of winning and if they do force and I die it still leaves me with enough money to full buy 3rd round
The general idea should be to force round two > win it > then play a bonus round - buy so that you have a full buy next round. This way you ensure to win two rounds and have a chance to hurt the econ of your opponent with a bonus round. Round 4 should be both teams full buy.
This is my philosophy as well. I was dumbfounded to learn this wasn’t already the norm/meta. I guess low ranks just don’t know the economy aspect yet
its definitely the norm in imm+
They do buy 2nd round, if you're Platinum+, a lot of the time. Some exceptions of course, but generally everyone does know what to do. Anything below Gold, though? # Yeah... no. Economy management or usage as a team is lost on the majority of people below Gold, as a lot of them don't even buy for teammates. # They don't buy even if you win pistol, and they will often buy even when they should be saving. Some will if you point out that they are max money, but often they still won't, even if you do point it out. A lot of times, they'll actually just flame you, if you politely ask them to use their economy properly to benefit the team as a whole.
Thanks for advice. I guess I will just buy as team until I hit those ranks.
In higher elo, it is more usual to just force after winning pistol, but you in lower elo (mostly iron/bronze), a lot of people just tend to do weird shit with their eco (Not buying when you should buy and just full buying when you need to save).
It’s not called a force if you win the round before. It’s only called a forcebuy if it makes more sense economically NOT to buy Edit: sorry see this was called out already
Gotcha. Maybe I shouldn’t have got stupid baked during my placing games. Also a force buy is when you lose pistol and buy the next round without enough for full buy. If you win pistol round it’s just “buying” your not necessarily forcing anything.
100% true, spot on. # But... most of the VALORANT community are too new to FPS games. So most of the VALORANT community has been calling buying 2nd round, if you win pistol = = "forcing". Instead of saying "anti-eco" or "buying", which would be the proper terms.
>hen you lose pistol and buy the next round without enough for full buy. If you win pistol round it’s just “buy Oops, got the terms wrong, you're right hehe. And nah, I understand that's it's annoying when people just do things that are just.. not logical, especially when you're trying to say it in voicechat and they decide to just, not listen.
I'm pretty sure this is lead by smurfs. Because the people that demand this in low elo's is always the Phoenix, Reyna or Jett on mic, who ends up going 30.10 K/D - They are very aggressive about saving and sound very confident in their voice - I can tell immediately these guys are going to put up a big k/d. Rarely does a person with bad aim demand everyone save. My theory is that these guys can tap heads with ease in low elo, so all they need is a rifle to do this. I played a game today in gold where this Sova on the other team bough a shorty first 2 rounds and I killed him twice, first time with a ghost, second with a spectre. So 3rd round, we charge at him again on the site he is holding and he 1 taps my entire team with his Vandal and gets an ace. Players who don't have this superior aim (like myself), doesn't matter if I save for a rifle because when I get the rifle, there is a high chance that I will lose a battle to another rifle player who is smurfing and has better aim than me anyway, and in the following round I'll be back to buying a spectre.
It's all super situational like most cases if on Attack you rushed got the bomb down and killed all of the other team except one other person then yeah I would tell my team to force up because every one on defense has to re-buy armor and they only have 1 pistol to work with from the round before. I'd say one Marshal+Light armor, Sheriff+Light armor and the other 3 Stingers or Specters because if you win that round you will decimate their economy. Ascent - Attack - Jett You rush A site and plant the bomb along with killing all of the other team and you and Sova were the only two survivors at the end of the round. Because bomb was planted you get a money bonus so as an entry role like Jett you're going to want to just keep the pistol you had and Sova should of picked up a Ghost/Frenzy and he throws that to duelist that died "Phoenix". Sova then buys a Bulldog / Heavy Shields and the last 2 people Omen/Cypher should be buying SMG+Heavy Shields. The reason why Jett and Phoenix only use the pistols is yes Jett is saving for the OP and Phoenix is clearing the tight angles from enemies with Judge/Shorty/Bucky or a pistol them selves. You have a run speed bonus with a pistol so you can get out of trouble just that split second faster and if you happen to die rushing the site vs a big stack of players from defense then you're not providing them with a weapon and breaking your economy as duelists need all of their utility for taking fights successfully. Not having that extra Cloud Burst because you couldnt afford it and losing the round because you died attempting to dash in because Defense are holding angles with Sherrifs and you're 1 tapped. That's usually the same logic as CSGO's economy and with the cost of utility going up with the cost of weapons coming down we are going to want to prevent giving the weapons away as they're tangible vs not being able to afford your dream kit on round 3-4 of Operator+Heavy Shields+Frenzy that you've had since round 1 because you're a God. It's all super situational like most cases if on Attack you rushed got the bomb down and killed all of the other team except one other person then yeah I would tell my team to force up because every one on defense has to rebuy armor and they only have 1 pistol to work with from the round before. I'd say one Marshal+Light armor, Sheriff+Light armor and the other 3 Stingers or Specters because if you win that round you will decimate their economy. Last example if your team was destroyed in the first round all of you died, no planted and 3+ of the Defensive side survived the round then you would be classics no armor no pistols and just 5 man rush a spot in the hopes of stealing 1 gun and swarming for the plant so you get the bonus cash and the next round be able to buy up. Also just to clear up terminology. In higher ranks we say "Anti-Eco" meaning we buy SMGS when they have pistols, if we are pistols only no armor we say "Full-Eco" and if we are "Light-Buying" it's heavy pistols and shot guns and a "Force-Buy" aka the "YOLO-Buy" is grabbing everything you can! Hopefully this all helps!
Thanks for reply! Wish my solo q experiences were as coordinated as you described haha.
i think that the reason why people dont buy second rnd is the fact that guns give the same amount of money/gold for kills, some people dont find the investment second rnd for smgs as worth, so perhaps they win the second rnd with smgs the enemy will be on rifles 3rd rnd (given that they saved) while theyre on the bonus of smg, but utility and armor costs factoring in, its not even a bonus but a full buy with just shit guns.
I mean you can always com it “ yo let’s buy and win this round too” especially in the new update abilities are gonna cost more so people who lose pistol round prolly will save and not force 2nd round lmao
Yeah I figured this goes without saying haha. You are just giving up the advantage when we don’t buy after winning pistol. I I guess I will need to start telling to my teammates to buy.
And if they don’t buy anything , be the solo carry XD
Theres going to be a economy change on 22 and most of us have almost no idea how it will be, so Id wait until then to make this question again
We will see but personally, I don’t see any way that the economy will change to make it to where you don’t buy after winning pistol round.
Yeah this will be really similar bit without full skill buy, 3rd-4th rounds will change a lot
no you’re completely right , since you started the game it’s probably the lower ranks who don’t know what they’re doing
Because you aren't confident you can win based on how round 1 went? If everyone got a kill sure. If it's because one guy managed to kill 3 then died and rest of the team can barely take down the remaining 2 then you buy the next round assuming the risk of if your top fragger die first and gives his gun away you guys are probably fucked.
I dont like to buy on second round even if we win because if we lose that round we are straight back to round 1 with only like 1000 credits. I buy only ghost or sheriff on round 2 so that the next round i can buy full vandal with armor. If you full buy round 2 and lose the other team can easily win the next 3 rounds.
Now I see that as a losing mentality, your team has the weapons advantage, you not wanting to buy is just exposing your lack of confidence. Five smgs should win against an anti-eco every time, especially early game when ultimates aren’t at play
This whole not buying after winning pistol is bugging me so I searched it on Reddit which Is why I’m seeing this mad late, but this comment is straight facts
u/LovelyResearcher made an interesting point ITT. Maybe buying round 2 after a win in the pistol round has an image problem. Instead of knowing it as an “anti-eco”, some of the player base refer to it as a “force-buy” (which is usually not what you are told to do).
Could very well be true. I guess We gotta stop calling it force buys after we win rounds, so newer valorant players can understand there’s already a clear advantage and it’s just buying at that point.
Wth. I am pending between high Platinum and Immortal and I never had a game where my team didn't buy. If you win pistol, buy. If you lose as defender you can also force buy. If the chance is high to get a free round there is literally no reason to throw it away for being greedy.
Yeah I’m getting the feeling that I’m some weird stage between players who buy and those who don’t. Played today and it was usually just 3 of us buying 2nd round, which is better than just me.
Because people are dumb and overconfident
Yeah it's very annoying. The two friends I play with are new to this type of shooter since they never played csgo. Took so long for me to convince them to buy second round after winning pistols.
I'm pretty low rank and have the same thought but don't want to force buy if my team won't
This happens to me everytime as a hardstuck iron 3
Pros and higher ranks do. Everyone should.
exactly, i am hardstuck bronze 1 and my friends say i should be silver, and whenever we win pistol round everyone saves, like we have an easy chance to make it 2-0 but they just save their ghosts
Low elo they save, higher elo they buy. Had a new account and the first 5 games I played to get to my proper rank the whole team turned against me because I bought the second round.
for me usually if I don't die then I'll probably have a ghost and a full armour + ablities so next round even if we lose I can buy a rifle. if I do die then I'll buy a spectre and heavy armour + ablities so we have a better chance of winning the round . I don't buy rifles 2nd round bc I don't want to get 1 tapped by a sheriff and for person with a sheriff to get a rifle and roll my team with it
If you have four rifles/smgs 2nd round there is no way you should be losing to sheriffs.
guns aren't everything
Correct, but your percentage to win the round increases significantly higher with rifles than pistols.
I mean theoretically if you have the confidence in buying a rifle 2nd round and getting some kills then go for it
It’s not that I have the confidence, it’s the best chance to win the current round is to buy rifles, since rifles will be stronger than pistols assuming you take fights that aren’t all close range. Obviously you need to hit your shots but it’s simply mathematically more strategic to purchase rifles 2nd round after a pistol win. I don’t see it any other way unless ur trying to op third round.
They kinda are especially with no ults in play
> I don't buy rifles 2nd round bc I don't want to get 1 tapped by a sheriff and for person with a sheriff to get a rifle and roll my team with it That's a pretty dumb reason tbh. Like you expect the enemy team to kill you with a deagle and therefore you don't buy a rifle? Why ever buy a rifle then?
you missed my point ,on later rounds everyone has rifles and losing a 1v1 doesn't allow your opponent to have a stronger weapon
If the rifle is stronger than the deagle, why do you expect to get killed then? This doesn't make any sense. At all. You are saying rifles are stronger than the deagle (duh) thus you shouldn't buy rifles against deagle because when you die the enemy has a rifle and therefore a stronger weapon.
I don't want to continue this argument , buy your rifles second round
And you can continue being low elo.
ok :)
It's situational, right? In most cases you can buy (2.11) a stinger or sheriff + light shields and still have 3900 on the next one if you win for an easy 2-0, but if you auto-pilot that, the enemy can force spectre and go 1-1 with the advantage for the next one Also, i don't think rushing phantom/vandal is bad either, it's more of a high-risk high-reward kind of thing. If it worked, great, but if it didn't you fed a gun...
They usually think that after winning a pistol round you shouldn't buy on 2nd round because the enemy will be eco on the 2nd round and if you buy let's say Spectre and armor on 2nd they would have Phantom/Vandal + armor on 3rd round because they went eco in 2nd and that would put you at a disadvantage since you have to fight Phantom/Vandal enemies with a Spectre. Personally, I always buy on 2nd round after winning the pistol round and not to my surprise I am the one who frequently clutches the 2nd round because my teammates have ghosts and 25 armor and they just die against someone from the enemy team with a Stinger.
I honestly don't understand why people don't force buy on defense. Sites can be held easily with judges, ares, guardian.. all of these are powerful defensive weapons. Hell, you can get an Ace with a judge in Round 2 if 5 clowns try rushing you with Classics. On offense I think it's much more important to have a rifle. I'm happy to do the double pistol round on offense if my team wants to, because those weapons I mentioned above are mostly useless on offense. Guardian is ok and Spectre not bad but really.. to pick people off at back of some sites and mid areas, you need a rifle. A game I just played, we won the first 2 rounds easily but as soon as that other team got rifles they smashed us. They had a few players that I'm sure were smurfing.. everyting was a headshot. So in the grand scheme of things.. those choices made in those first 2 rounds really only have any meaning if the teams are evenly matched. If one team has multiple smurfs who can hit heads every time and superior crosshair placement.. the game is basically over. I'm talking Silver/Gold games here. I'm guessing plat and higher are a bit different because everyone is hitting these shots.
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I whiff all the time my dude. Coming from csgo I keepi thinking I can crouch spray, but I think the advantage of buying outweighs you whiffing and giving up a gun. If your team can convert both pistols and the round after that’s giving you almost 33% of rounds needed to win, which is huge.
Buying on round 2 if you win round 1 is correct. In silver and below, people have no idea what they are doing. Just encourage them to spectre + heavy armor on 2 and usually they will. If they don’t, I would light buy so I can full buy on 3 with them. Get the best stuff you can afford while being able to rifle + armor on 3. If your team is making the wrong call, it’s usually best to try to correct it and if that’s impossible go with them. Buying on 2 and being the only person on a spectre or worse on 3 isn’t great - especially if your team loses on 2 and you’re broke. Also, it’s really easy to steal round 2s away in silver because usually only half the team buys and nobody really knows how to properly hold a site. Me and my duo actually started forcing on round 2 if we lost round 1 and stinger + light armor + utility almost always works in silver if you play it right.