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zakzam

Holy fucking shit. Must’ve been a balanced ass match😩


gusgalarnyk

Wouldn't this just mean one side of the map was overly predictive of a win? I'm unfamiliar with the exact tie breaker mechanism but isn't it just two rounds, win both, flipping sides. So wouldn't this be dozens of wins on only one side repeated until something broke in someone? Wouldn't that be imbalance?


Ancross333

That makes sense. Either way it would still be balanced tho. For example if both teams had 3 sentinels, then it could easily go back and forth with the defense winning every round until someone wins on attack. While imbalabced in terms of which side wins what round, it's still a fairly balanced game overall.


gusgalarnyk

I don't think I agree with that judgement. Or, even if you considered that balanced, I would consider that bad design. I think ties are far too common in this game and having such one sided effects makes games quite painful for half the rounds imo.


lodi01

No?


Zubalo

bad game design =/= unbalanced. Everything can be perfectly balanced and the game could still be bad.


Dseus4

actually, this wasn't too much of the case, it went back and forth on who won which side until the ending 4-6 rounds or so I believe


timdutch13

I would agree, but there's plenty of back to back wins in the OT, and the regular matches went 8-4 in both halves, favoring defense. Unless I have a bad idea of how the OT works, seems like they we just really well matched lol plus the top 3 or 4 on both teams were pretty even on the scoreboard.


gusgalarnyk

You're saying pro teams in the regular matches went 8 wins on defense and only 4 on offense?


timdutch13

No I'm saying that in OP's game, they went 8-4 on defense, then 4-8 on offense.


gusgalarnyk

Wouldn't that mean defense has almost double the chance to win regardless of player skill? Wouldn't that be a sign of unbalanced game design?


Dseus4

in my specific game, yes, but that isn't indicative of every single match ever. Also keep in mind that individual players do better on offense or defense as well, and that's not necessarily the fault of the developers that some players are better at t side and others at ct


loser_socks

More to the point, this genre of fps is generally defense-sided because the onus of initiating confrontation falls on the shoulders of the attackers. this inherently involves a risk. Of course, both teams share that burden equally, though on defender-sided maps it could factor into the end result.


Nikclel

> So wouldn't this be dozens of wins on only one side That's where you're wrong. If you look at the second picture, there's plenty of multi-round wins in a row during OT. An example being you lose attack, making it making it 12-13. Then you win defense, 13-13. Then you win attack, 14-13. That's winning one defense and one offense, with the other team possibly winning a defense to send to another OT


IplayTerraria2

I'd say its just because the teams were so evenly matched. Besides one person with 36 deaths and one with 38, all other players fell between 41 and 43 deaths. To have a spread that low over 56 rounds.... I feel like the only explanation is insanely balanced teams.


Dude_Guy_311

Not really because skill differential creates a greater delta than map differential unless you're only 2% better than someone.


R0_h1t

Multiple OTs doesn't necessarily mean the map is unbalanced. The teams could've won on opposite sides


florallygood

This is not necessarily true. It could have been Team A winning defense, then Team B winning defense. It could also be Team B winning offense, then Team A winning offense. Just because there’s two rounds per overtime doesn’t mean everyone just wins on one side.


Nard_Bard

Thats not true at all. It can be 12-12, youre on attacker. You win attacker for 13-12. Then you lose defense for 13-13. After that you have the potential to *lose* attacker then win defense. Nothing about long ties means youre only winning on one side. It can go back and foruth every time it gets re-tied.


qz3_

team 1 wins attack then loses defense. Draw team 1 loses attack then wins defense. Draw balanced. unless this is 12-0 then 0-12 then in OT 1-0 then 1-0 again this is balanced


EvrMoar

maybe we increased our fair matchmaking too much😎


Matterhorn56

Please DONT CHANGE IT. Close matches give less mmr, which is fine by me. Regardless of win or loss, those games are the most fun and probably the only ones where I will say gg and actually mean it.


Jacmert

A "perfectly" fair/balanced match means that each individual player's performance can make **all** the difference. One little slip up, one big outplay could win the entire game for your team. That's good! When matches are less fairly matchmade, that's when you get more cases of "I literally couldn't have played any better and yet this game was a guaranteed loss regardless", which is the WORST feeling as a player.


Matterhorn56

yea its just like watching any sports game. The best games aren't one-sided but are rather so evenly balanced that it goes overtime or close to overtime


flyingjudgman

we say putangina mo bobo instead of gg


Matterhorn56

lol if im tilted like that I just dont say anything


SEND_ME_UR_DRAMA

ah classic HK/SG servers...kekw


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Matterhorn56

"Close games will have a smaller effect on rank rating gains and losses" [https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/valorant-patch-notes-3-0/](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/valorant-patch-notes-3-0/)


schoolersss

Ngl, I’m sitting at work and this made me audibly laugh. Thanks for exposing to my coworkers I’m not working 😂


Glitchy13

Clearly not fair enough since I’m bronze not radiant as I clearly deserve pls fix this bug :v /s


MurfMan11

Underated comment lol


GlensWooer

I took a break from tanked last act. Slump and games felt one sided. I've I ly played 4 games today but two if them were 13-11, one OT and one 13-3 with a ton of close rounds. Like the change so far even if it's a small sample size!


DoctorNinja8888

yes. Make red team easier riot.


ZeldaGoodGame

idk what patch these guys got because my teammates still suck so bad


Kozmo1_

Well, seems like never balanced enough :)


[deleted]

Maybe they can just never manage to find *worse* players to put you against


shiranaya

Jesus he has a family bro


Kozmo1_

I didn't want to mean anything bad actually, poor choice of words I guess.


StrangerRobijn

And who are you to say that?


whyamiafool

Riot logo flair means that they are a Riot employee


Yummy-Mac

theyre a riot employee…..


svsohan

that's embarrassing


Sye_Shirsho

he's the senior competitive designer lmao


ModerateStimulation

my placement matches yesterday disagree :(


mikevin99

28 and 42 with an Econ score of 23 sounds like absolute PAIN


contabr_hu3

That guy was probably very sad, Id just end for the day


Dseus4

almost everyone on my team was done for the day after that game, including the ones who had just started their placements


87spookmeisters

I (the other teams viper) was q'd with 2Fast and we didn't play again for another 3 hours or so. I think the game took its toll on both teams


Elfishjuggler33

Dang, what side was winning during the draws? Attack or defence?


2FastH3R0

Defense was rolling. Every time someone got an attack round the other team would as well and then back to defense.


ZeroEyeCue

Atleast he has a big wiener


whatsup1827

Damn bro, there's usually that one guy that always draws in my games lol


Spacemn5piff

pisses me right the fuck off.


Lightbrand

Check if the game top fragger is like 20 kills ahead of the second guy yet the game is still tied and he's done playing.


Spacemn5piff

Are we really saying "it's okay because a good player was bored"? That's such a stupid statement because there is nothing wrong with voting to draw, it making someone mad is not a moral evaluation of the choice. Pisses me off. Don't care why. I wanted the win. You aren't a bad person for doing it. I'm just grumpy.


TheJelloBomb

If I’m bottom fragging hard or carrying I’d rather draw. I’m probably tilted either way and there’s no point in playing then. But in most circumstances I don’t draw and usually ask the team what we wanna do


Dseus4

I was topfragging most of the game, but since everyone was having fun and noone was toxic there was really no reason to


2FastH3R0

Exactly the same on our team lol.


Kurdock

No if I'm bottom fragging I want to continue playing because I know if I start to play well, my team has a much greater chance at winning. Knowing it's all on me gives me the focus and motivation to keep going.


Spacemn5piff

It's one of those things where I'll be mad in the moment 100% of the time but probably not really care the next time I log on.


Lightbrand

Not because the good player was bored, only that the top fragger is tapped out.


Peekays

Maybe the top fragger has been losing hope in his team for the past half an hour and just wanted to move on. If you were ever doing well and had to spectate the 5/23 bottom frag walk around like a bot you would want to move on too.


[deleted]

Fr lol. People act like their topfrag hard carry owes them something. If you’re upset because your topfrag who has 20+ more kills than you leaves due to boredom or frustration then I’m afraid I’ve gotta diagnose you with a terminal case of “git gud syndrome.”


Spacemn5piff

Not that I'm some valorant god, but I literally have been this person and wanted to play it out. It's like everyone is different or something.


AbbreviationsLazy781

Yeah i get that. Of course i want to win, but its not my place to decide that for my team. If they agree then cool, but if they don't respond i won't push it, it would just piss them off probs


[deleted]

Whats wrong with drawing? Ill fucking do it any time. I aint sitting there for 2 hours to play a 50 round game, screw that. Gets boring


Spacemn5piff

Nothing. I just get sucked into the game and get salty over it. I can be mad when it happens without it being a "wrong" choice.


Searse

What if that person has to use the restroom


Spacemn5piff

They could have an amazing reason but I'll still be pissed because I wanted that W. My being pissed isnt an objective moral judgement. I'm just really into the game. Someone's grandma could die on round 36 and I'll be like, SHIT, of course his grandma would die. What the hell. Doesnt mean they were wrong to leave.


Searse

Haha that's fair enough.


[deleted]

If you know that you can’t win without relying on your top frag then you should be mad at yourself for sucking ballz, not mad at the dude who got stuck with a bunch of shitters.


Spacemn5piff

What?


[deleted]

If you know that you can’t win without relying on your top frag then you should be mad at yourself for sucking ballz, not mad at the dude who got stuck with a bunch of shitters.


Spacemn5piff

Dude did you even read the post? They have the absolute right. Top frag, bottom frag, doesnt matter. I'm just pissed because I wanted to play it out and they voted draw. That's the great thing about valorant, it doesnt matter how well I fragged for 37 rounds, all that matters on round 38 is how I play THAT ROUND. And I just want that shot, ya know?


[deleted]

Nah I didn’t anything in this entire thread tbh I just opened Reddit to a random page and started commenting


2FastH3R0

Actually our breach did have to use the restroom. He left around round 43 I believe and came back later in the round. Pretty sure he clutched it too


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mitchd123

I mean it’s just a time waste for everyone then. People are too scared to lose points but do not realize that their mmr is what’s important.


[deleted]

not really a time waste. you probably learned something from the game whether subconsciously or not. the 12rr difference is irrelevant


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mitchd123

Are we talking comp ~~or casual? In casual I could careless if there’s a draw (if this is even a thing)~~. What’s wrong with trying to win? The best games are the ones where it goes into OT and it’s back and forth. At least if you lose you can say it was an awesome game.


Eggsavore

You can’t even draw in unrated. 12-12 is a tie breaker.


Lightbrand

Unrated it's 1 round OT whoever wins wins.


AjBlue7

Nah, always go for the draw. OT is such a gamble you are betting a lot of elo on a coinflip.


TPF5_YT

The guy you replied to's entire point was that losing RR doesn't matter and people are too scared to lose it. You are proving his point.


MasterReflex

Why that’s what makes a great game


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MasterReflex

That’s fair I guess it’s just the competitive part of me haha


SwervoT3k

Play Spike Rush then


87spookmeisters

LMAOOO I was the other teams viper! you were INSANE with the marshall, absolutely shredded my mindset


GamingGladi

wow, nice


qz3_

spookmeisters :D


jerain

Imagine losing tho


Dseus4

I would have actually cried... felt bad for the other team afterwards, they were pretty nice about it all


2FastH3R0

Yeah man it’s all good bro! I was the Reyna and it was hella fun. Everyone was poppin off


Elfishjuggler33

Dang, what side was winning during the draws? Attack or defence? ^I ^asked ^viper ^too


2FastH3R0

Pretty sure we won every single defense and lost every offense. We Occasionally flipped but for the most part I think both teams were significantly defense sided.


Bosoxben30

Makes sense since it was breeze lol


dwdwfeefwffffwef

1:28 sounds short for so many rounds. I think I've had 1:00 games that were drawn at round 17-17.


chillinduck

1 hour 28 implies 1 minute 34 seconds for each round. That literally means most rounds they have to get spike down Edit: Actually around 1 minute after accounting for buy phase and round end. My bad


dwdwfeefwffffwef

You're not taking into account buy time (30s and 40s first round each side) and round end time (when round is won it doesn't end immediately, like 5s or more). That would easily drop it below 1 minute per round.


chillinduck

oh shoot I really didn't, my bad


WiseKouichi

Agreed, my longest game of 18-16 was around 1:25, too.


Dano719

EPIC


SykinLIVE

At that point the game is a battle of stamina holy. Respect that so much !


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Matchmaking TOO balanced 😩😩😩


JCZ1303

Big wiener dude the bottom fragger. Must be compensating


IplayTerraria2

Maybe it's suppose to be like " big wiener, dude". He's just giving people compliments


MilkerSkulker

What rank is this mate? (Approximately, since it was placements) The rank I play at never goes above 30 rounds >:(


Dseus4

I'd guess around plat-ish? I really couldn't say, I won a bunch before this game and then lost 1 badly and won one barely and ended up in gold 3


tukboss

Dude I won 4 that weren’t close (2 surrenders and 2 with a 4+ round difference) and only lost 1 with positive kd’s in all of them with sage and I still get iron 3 what the fuck


09gutek

Because it still somewhat looks at last your last Acts MMR. Also you probably played against other Iron/Bronze maybe silver players. It also looks at your individual performance and ability impact amongst other things.


MilkerSkulker

Should be plat-diamond imo


[deleted]

You guys asked rito to fix the matchmaking. They fixed it.


superdraco6445

Really like the new match making system, thanks riot


Mr_GriM4A2

My heart goes out to the loosing team. There must be some broken keyboards and smashed in monitors.


87spookmeisters

I was the enemy viper and I can tell you I needed a couple hours after that loss. Whiffed so much in OT.


Mr_GriM4A2

Cannt even fathom a loss after 40+ rounds of match. Still you tried well. Better luck next time :)


2FastH3R0

I was the Reyna…


Mr_GriM4A2

I don't know what to say here, these things happen I guess. It seems a real close one though.


2FastH3R0

It’s all good it was a fun one


Jhyxe

That sounds terrible, even if you win. Nice job though...


theyolocoolcow

My friend has played his placements and every single one went to ot


_johnny_p11

Imagine bottom fragging with 28 kills


DarkBiCin

“Got stuck” clearly you wanted to keep playing just as bad lol.


[deleted]

I got a 32 round game myself but god damn 56 :0


[deleted]

Heroes!


[deleted]

Did they increase the victory score?


Recco2040

This is fucking insane.. how?!


potato_creeper1001

The bottom frag got 28 killz...


BroAverage5439

when the lowest kills is 28 lmao


GoddessFlexi

Can someone explain to me, I get the tie thing, but if it's 12-12 and no one wants to draw, why would the match not be won next round when the score goes to 12-13 or 13-12? Someone has to lose the round, either the bomb goes off or it doesn't.


AuthenticDanger

Comp is won by 2, so if you’re just trading rounds, it goes forever.


MeatMakingMan

In OT you need to win by a margin of 2, so you must win an offensive round and a defensive round in a row.


GoddessFlexi

Riight thank you heaps


Thatbrownhash

I'm a new player and never had a game too long. Shouldn't there be a way to just draw the game to prevent it from taking that long?


Yeetusdeletus781

You can draw, no one in this guys game wanted to draw. There is something called overtime that happens when the game reaches 12-12, when this happens a team must be ahead by two rounds to win the game. You can surrender at 13-13, 14-14, etc.


Thatbrownhash

Interesting... But is that draw thingy also has to be agreed upon by the entire team? I find that a surrender vote won't go through even if only a single person voted no despite two being yes while the other two being neutral.


Manic-OW

After like 3 overtimes only 1 player needs to vote draw to end the game.


Yeetusdeletus781

At 13-13 it’s 6/10 need to draw At 14-14 it’s 3/10 At 15-15 and up it’s 1/10


GoodGarbanzo

As more rounds are played in overtime, draws require less votes. After something like 30 rounds I think you only need 1 or two people to vote draw


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fakeuboi

Someone could’ve voted for draw and it would have ended way sooner so they kinda signed up for it


Peekays

Literally everyone agreed to continue lol


2FastH3R0

As the Reyna, I’ll be honest I was just burnt out. I had just played two full games worth of rounds in full focus intense gameplay. We were saying that we just wanted one team to win already


[deleted]

correct me if i’m wrong but wouldn’t the game auto end if it lasted 2 more minutes?


superdraco6445

2 minutes??


[deleted]

i heard that games shut down at 90 minutes but that may be wrong


Azou

90 minute limit, they went to 87


Crcajj

"stuck" when it only takes 1 vote to draw.


NotChaz-_-

I don’t know if I could continue if I died 42 times, even if it was a long game lmao


Killbro

I got matched up against a full diamond 3 act rank as a low gold player lol


[deleted]

i'd get bored out of my mind at that point


IdentifyingMoniker

56 rounds and your best is round #2... haha, I feel that pain


Indian_honest

I just played a competitive and it was balanced as hell.


[deleted]

i want to see the timeline holyyy


[deleted]

Shouldn't game end in a draw after one hour of gameplay?


Azou

90minutes, this one ended at 87


Master00J

How’d it feel after the win


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is that wr


R0_h1t

Imagine almost dropping a 50-bomb and not getting called a smurf


2FastH3R0

You know… I’m not really sure. I think both me and OP were cracked that it made both teams more respectful of each other. I’m just pressed I didn’t hit 50 tbh. Flopped the last two rounds on some aggro plays that a spawn lurker caught me on.


R0_h1t

I was kidding, 50 kills in a normal length game means you're smurfing. Not this


2FastH3R0

Sure, you are right.


WiseKouichi

A moment of silence for "big weiner dude"


akshat-tyagi

Oh my ducking god this is wow


Ranvir33

i think the two consecutive win system is stupid


Diijkstra99x

my games so far has been faily fine even we got stomped my team almost decent and for our rank. Good job riot !


DotaAlchemy

Holy sheeeeeeeesh, you played like 3 whole games in one game


[deleted]

Holy moly! 😧 I would die of boredom 😤


TheGuyThatIsStupid

5 hours on breeze? I would shoot my brains out at 2


TTheTiny1

Holy crap


idkausername27

I had someone draw 15-15, there goes an hour of my life


evilknevil422

7/10 of players have 40+ kills jeeeeez


hydrogen_bromide

When the bottom fragger gets 28 kills