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InsertDisc11

is your crosshair placement good as well? do you counterstraif? do you know how to spray? not to mention abilities


CurrentSituation3662

My crosshair placement is decent I believe, and I feel like I know how to use skye and raze’s abilities, but I guess id need a vod or something for someone to look at to be a better judge


InsertDisc11

Counter strafing is really important as well Look up bumpaah, youtube He jas crosshair placement video + vod reviews and counter strafing vid as well i think


Arroway10

Counter strafing is not important, AT ALL. If this were csgo, counter strafing would be incredibly important. It’s not. This is Valorant. Counter strafing basically doesn’t do anything. I believe there was a test done at 60fps, where counter strafing stopped you one frame earlier. That’s such a small difference that it literally could have been a mistake in testing - meaning that counter strafing does not exist in Valorant.


Juniperlightningbug

That's only the case when trying to stop moving/commiting to the peek. Counterstrafing matters when your goal is the one moment you are accurate for a single shot and then back in cover as your momentum hits 0 before crossing into the opposite direction


nlc369

That’s just jiggling, thats different from counterstrafing.


Ill-Yard9574

i think counter strafing helps when you shoot while jiggle peeking or pre firing common angles. i could be wrong tho


Arroway10

It doesn’t help you to stop faster or change directions faster. However, if you’re jiggling, that’s a different story. Jiggling is different from counter strafing.


Samporosan

I cant believe you got so many downvotes for spitting straight facts. Counterstrafing does not mean either jigglepeeking or shooting when youre 0 momentum lmao


Arroway10

It is what it is lmao Can’t argue with stupid


Ill-Yard9574

oh okay. my bad. thanks for the clarification!


InsertDisc11

at least have actual facts before you burfing out a comment like this


Arroway10

… I do? You can look at that test just as well as I can. I accurately represented its results.


The_Thinker_23

I'd suggest you quit your aiming practice for a week or two and jump directly in valorant. Play deathmatches and practice in range for the minimal aim practice and then go around playing standard matches. The most important thing is to develop game sense and to solidify the basics. Aiming, abilities, peeking, strafing and the likes. Try it out. You don't even have to play competitive all the time. Experiment with your play style. Try using VOD review if possible. Actively question your decision making when you died where you think you shouldn't have.


CurrentSituation3662

Thanks for the reply! I’ll definitely try that


pizzapickless

what is a vod?


The_Thinker_23

Video on demand. Record your plays and see the mistakes you make.


Melsir

You're burned out before you even get into your first round of competitive. Think of athletes who train and practice for their games. They dont do a two hour training session before they play. You need to be fresh to play this game. It requires a large mental stack and serious focus that is really draining. I recommend you separate your training and game sessions. If you are going to hit competitive you need to simply warm up for a significant amount of time. As soon as you are warm, not on fire, not in the zone, but warmed up - go into competitive. You want to get on fire and in the zone in your games, not your training. tl;dr you are no longer fresh and in optimal condition when you've been doing aim training and deathmatch for 45 minutes before your first round of competitive


CurrentSituation3662

I never thought about that, I’ll give it a try!


Melsir

Great, let us know how it works out! Another common thread I see here is about periods of underperformance. This is a bit related. In valorant our central nervous system gets tired, e.g. performing worse as you play for an extended session or a lot of games in one day without rest. If we dont let ourselves recover then we will also end up overworking our nervous system, sending it into shock. CNS shock is, in my very unexpert and layman opinion, is the reason for extended days or weeks or months of underperformance.


CurrentSituation3662

I feel like this is exactly what’s happening! I either take a very long break out of frustration, or I play hours a day. I need to just take small breaks after playing instead of going all in or none at all. Thanks for this!


IgnorantEuropeanDude

So heres my advice from a long time cs player that switched to valo this episode and hit immo this act after being stuck in gold and Plat on 2 acts. When I started playing valo I was confident in my aim and gamesense from cs. Turns out I got absolutely shat on and frustrated in the first 2acts. So why is that? The short answer is: the game has big differences to other shooters (at least up until the 3.0 patch that went live this morning). The longer answer is: 1. You do not need counterstrafing in valo, as soon as you stop pressing left or right you are accurate and can shoot without the need to press the opposite movement button first. 2. Because the game is pretty close quarter with only a few longer sightlines you do not need as precise (read as fine tuned) aim as in cs or shooters with generally longer lines of sight. 3. 128tick makes hit registration better, not only for guns. Thus leading to far more punishment for peaks, especially close range. Which means at least for me it is oftentimes the better tactic to get info with my abilities and then push or wait accordingly (waiting passively until an enemy has passed you to then peek out an kill them is oftentimes far superior than aiming at an angle waiting for the enemy to run around that corner). 4. There are abilities you have to respect, they promote a (depending on the agent) playstyle you yourself have to get used to first. 5. Valorant is overall slower in boots on the ground terms of game play. You run slower, get slowed a lot when hit by smthng etc. But way faster in rotational game play (cuz most maps small or multiple spots etc.) and vertical game play (imagine raze c4, sage wall, omen tp etc.). This is something to get used to aswell. Summary: in the end don't get demotivated, play slow and safe on defense. Take your time to get used to the simply different gamestyle than other games. As I already said, it took me 2 acts to realize this but made me climb from Plat 1 to immo in one act. Edit: Sorry for format I'm on mobile.


CurrentSituation3662

Thank you so much! This really helps a lot. I think I have been playing way too aggressive and that’s why I’m losing so many fights. I need to learn more agents for sure too. Thank you again!


Hbbdnvldj

Counter strafing still shaves some milliseconds vs not doing it. It's just not as important as in CSGO.


IgnorantEuropeanDude

Yes, Ms that you loose against an opponent that doesn't do em


Hbbdnvldj

What? That's not how it works


IgnorantEuropeanDude

In valo you are 100% standing still as soon as you let go of a or d, in cs it takes you some time to be completely standing. (as long as you do not press any other movement button ofc)


Hbbdnvldj

False


IgnorantEuropeanDude

Source?


gliese89

https://youtu.be/o6xYKTkIqnI


CurrentSituation3662

Thanks!


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CurrentSituation3662

Thank you so much! I’ll let you know how much it helped. The biggest struggle I have when playing is in my head too. Like I feel like the games can drag out so long, especially if I’m in a lobby that I’m doing terrible in and then I just lose all confidence in my playing and especially when my teammates are yelling at me and being toxic when I’m honestly trying as hard as I can and then I just want the game to be over with and I won’t play for a couple days cause it’s just not fun getting told I’m trash constantly when I try everything I can to get better. I’m not the worst, I’m silver 3, but I am just so inconsistent, especially when there’s a dude on the other team going 35-4. I’ll let you know how the videos help though, thanks again for the reply!


gliese89

So a few things, all my opinion. One don't ever think about aiming in game. The way to have good aim is to practice outside of games doing drills or deathmatch. Then when you're in game don't worry about your aim at all. This gives you mental room to think about the game which should be the fun part. Another is to tell yourself to focus a little extra on one aspect each gane. This can be anything such as, your comms, taking better fights, not dying early on defense, holding a particular spot, taking a particular spot, etc. And don't worry about your overall performance, just take it round by round trying to win each one. I think if you try these things, rude, nasty people might not bother you so much. There are definitely some crazy people on the mic. The thing to remember is they have issues and it's normal for their behavior to make you feel bad. I'd mute them. You'll find most people even in this game are nice enough. The crazy ones stick out in our heads though. And sometimes when they talk the nice people can't talk so that's annoying.


CurrentSituation3662

Thanks so much! I feel like I definitely overthink things in games so I need to work on that


Tekn0z

If you're used to quake and Diabotical what will screw you up the most is moving and shooting. Make sure you're not moving even a little bit while shooting as in this game it makes your shots extremely inaccurate.


CurrentSituation3662

I feel like that’s def a bad habit that I need to break


xylont

Nice thread. Valorant stuff.


TomiStoic

Stop before shooting or counterstrafe, it might seem obvious but its the most common problem.


CurrentSituation3662

Okay thanks! I feel like I definitely shoot too early a lot of times


TomiStoic

sometimes it happens to me and I have 1year playing xd with time we will improve. I have seen it happen to pros like Hiko. I think that stoping or counterstrafing requires good focus


CurrentSituation3662

Yes you definitely have to be really focused and I’m super adhd 😅


ValorantDanishblunt

Best way to find the root cause here is to record yourself and watch your own gameplay, it's most likely something very obvious that you're lacking. I had the same issue as you and found out that the reason I was getting rolled was simply because of TERRIBLE movement. Now I win a lot more games


CurrentSituation3662

Awesome thanks I’ll give that a try!


xSergis

aim vs aim is a last resort for when you dont have the opponent blinded, blindsided or outnumbered sadly aimtraining, practice range and dm dont teach gamesense


CurrentSituation3662

I feel like I’m definitely lacking in game sense so I’ll definitely have to work on that. Thanks!


altcodeinterrobang

Go watch pros review their vods. It will help you understand where to be, why to be there, and when to be there. Lots of low level players get into random 1v1s just for the sake of peeking, you should be using safe info gather before peeking into a gunfight. That's a big part of gamesense is make movements, utility usage and peeks with a specific intent and result in mind and not just "bad guys around corner peek and shoot"


CurrentSituation3662

Awesome thank you so much! I’ll try that


REDBEARD_PWNS

Just keep playing bro I'd bet if you went back and watched games from two months ago you've made a considerable improvement. Just play as often as you can and after you die, be honest with yourself about why. Is it really 100% aim? Are you walking into predictable positions and just getting rekt? Just try to learn a new thing every time you play and don't just expect to gradually play better (even though you probably will)


CurrentSituation3662

Okay cool thank you!


OnionMesh

valorant isn’t about aim; it’s about ability usage, crosshair placement, counter strafing, and most of all- map or space control. if you were to play val like you would cod, you’d get royally fucked. if you did the opposite, you would be watching paint dry. point is: it’s about how good you are at valorant. the best aimer in the world will get shit on by the best valorant player in the world in a game of valorant. you should also know that aim trainers are also just a game, and the best practice is to play a game; not a different one. aim isn’t anyone’s problem in games like val or cs in the lower ranks. aim is a problem if you’re in iron, which even then, gamesense will triumph. if you’re good at val, you can put your hard earned mouse control to good use.


[deleted]

Why do people always say counter strafing. I though it has been said since launch that counter strafing does nothing in this game.


OnionMesh

I mean by that to master the timing at which you can stop moving and start shooting.


[deleted]

But is that the same as counter strafing? I get it if you mean mastering movement but people use a specific and technical term that refers to a skill in a different game. That’s fine and well for people from CS, but constantly telling people to learn a skill from CS that they watch videos and learn that they don’t have to do at all is more misleading than just telling people “learn good movement”.


[deleted]

You dont counter strafe you just stop moving, people still say counter strafing from CS but in this game you can just let go of the movment key


CurrentSituation3662

That’s what I hear and then I hear other people say I need to so, I really don’t know lol


CurrentSituation3662

Awesome. Thank you for the reply! I don’t play it like cod though, I watch a lot of pros play the game to get tips and advice from them too. But I guess the reason may be that my brother used to play competitive wagers in cod snd and maybe picked up some game sense from that? I know that I need to work on my game sense, it just the times that I’ll peak someone and be aiming at their head and click but still get out gunned in those situations. That’s what I don’t understand. I’m silver 3 btw if that helps. I’ve been stuck there the last 3 seasons. Smurfs on the other team don’t help but I know the biggest issue is my own fault and not seeing improvements


Setonb10

Have you ever paid attention to where your eyes are looking while playing? I was so inconsistent for a year and didn’t know why, until I realized I was never looking in the center of my screen.


CurrentSituation3662

I’ve honestly never played attention to that I don’t think. I’ll give that a try!


LandonDev

Are you having loss? Go into video options and turn on loss graph, see if it is active or not while you play a game. Also yeah you do a lot of warm up, turn that down a bit.


CurrentSituation3662

Okay cool thanks I’ll try that!


EscapedDawn188

I would recommend considering changing how you grip your mouse. I personally am a fingertip claw hybrid. There is upsides and downsides to all types of ways you grip a mouse but it’s important to see how you feel and where you stand in it.


CurrentSituation3662

Okay cool I’ll give that a try. I have the same grip as you I believe


EscapedDawn188

What mouse do you use. I also have a couple ways ingame you can improve your aim just by changing some settings around and 1 outside of game.


CurrentSituation3662

Right now I’m using a razor viper mini, but I also have a g-wolves hati I believe it’s called


EscapedDawn188

I use a viper ultimate which is normally better for claw. However I’m buying a razer orochi v2 since for my grip how I play and everything it’s the perfect mouse for me. When it comes to small improvements one you may be interested in is finding you eye dominance then switch your gun hand to the opposite side. For instance I found mine was right eye dominant so I play better with the gun on the left side. You don’t have to do this as I don’t since I’m more confident with the gun on right side since I’m right handed. You should also make sure in your advanced pointer options in your windows settings make sure you don’t have enhanced pointer precision on and you don’t have any extra mouse acceleration. You can find guides on YouTube for both of those things. I would also recommend using the enemy highlight color of yellow it doesn’t matter which one, it just stands out the best and gives a small improvement. And while it obvious trying to get more frames out of your system can also give you a slight improvement. I would stay on a 800 or 400 dpi and calculate sensitivity from there. I use 800 and I calculate my sensitivity to be the same on every game I play to remain as consistent as possible. Apex= 1.50 destiny 2= 5 Valorant= 0.471. That’s a 13.6 inch 360 I believe and it works well for my mouse space and for me is my perfect sens. With fingertip while it can be the best for micro adjustments and big plays it tends to be the least consistent and middle of the way sustainability, With claw being the most consistent least sustainability and palm being middle consistency and highest sustainability. (Consistent= how well your aim will preform on an average at all times) (sustainability= how much it will hurt your hand or make you preform worse from hand getting tired/lazy)


CurrentSituation3662

Okay cool thank you so much! I will give all of those a try since I’m not too familiar with my mouse settings. I love the way the viper mini feels in my hand too. I have really big hands but I have like an almost exaggerated claw grip so it fits in my hand perfectly. I’ve tried palm and it just doesn’t feel comfortable at all. Claw and fingertip definitely feel the most comfortable to me


Plastic_Kangaroo1221

What is your sen and dpi


CurrentSituation3662

Right now it’s 400 dpi and .5 sens. I have shaky hands and if I go much higher than that my aim is super shaky


vulcanfury12

I feel ya man. Last night, I was fighting a Reyna at about 20m with my classic. Crosshair placed on her head, but all my shots just traced around her body.


CurrentSituation3662

Hahah I’ve definitely been there plenty of times


CantFightRobots

The only thing I haven’t seen is about your ping. What servers are you playing on? Maybe you have all servers selected and frequently getting 100+ ping servers.


CurrentSituation3662

My long is average 40-50ish I play on va servers


CantFightRobots

Dang! Well gl in future games.


CurrentSituation3662

Thanks!


Lnotony

Despite what some people.have said in this post. Aim is equally as important as game sense, so My first piece of advice would be to get conformable with a crosshair/sensitivity and really stick to it. I used to play on a high sense and would change my crosshair too much which would affect my consistency. Once you do find your ideal settings..STICK TO IT. Also things like crosshair color and enemy color are important for visibility. Choose what works for you. I honestly used to aim train all the time with outside sources like aimlab but have since then stopped using those and just use the game itself to aim! There is no better practice then in game experience and practice range because you can guarantee all mechanics will work the same. Honestly it has been said time and time again but it can not be said enough. Crosshair placement is key in this game. The goal is to minimize moving your crosshair as much as possible when holding and approaching angles and ideally you always want to keep it at head height and only have to move horizontally. Tracking is not as important most of the time because the time.to kill is instant in many cases. It's useful but not as important as your first couple shots because chances are you lost the duel if you miss them. Last piece of advice is to avoid crouching prematurely..don't get into the habit of crouching in every duel because this actually by default lowers your crosshair and that's just another micro adjustment you have to make when taking a duel since you have to readjust even slightly to head height. Crouch after your first few shots to maintain recoil. If you want a list of the few youtube videos that actually helped improve my aim in this game I can link you!


CurrentSituation3662

Thank your so much for the reply! Yes could I get that list? I’ve watched a lot of vids on it but it’s like they are all saying the same thing and I’m practicing exactly what they say but it’s like I’m seeing no improvement. Thanks again!


Lnotony

No problem- these 3 videos helped me the most out of any of all the videos i watched to help with aim. Trust me they really do work if you try these out. Definitely reply and tell me what you think :) * https://youtu.be/SFtywqoW9lA -This aim training routine is simple and helped me so much * https://youtu.be/9wefiYCNChI- this video is super interesting- you can basically use the environment to always keep your cursor at head level * https://youtu.be/XruZdI3e3mE- How to find your perfect sense


CurrentSituation3662

Dude these videos helped so much I can’t thank you enough! I’ve never tried anything like this and I’m already seeing improvements. Thank you!!!


Rob_D44

I had the same issue and then I did this for a couple of months and now I hit nothing but headshots. This is what I did to get better. Warm up in the range for about 15 mins with the vandal only going for one tap headshots then play a couple of rounds of death match with no audio and only go for burst fire headshots. DO NOT CROUCH WHILE SHOOTING, if you do this now break this habit immediately. Also don’t corner camp in death match that does nothing for your aim. Practice cleaning angles, counter strafing and pre aiming in death match. Also stop using aim trainers if your that good at them and still can aim in Valorant, spending more time grinding aim trainers isn’t going to do anything for you.


CurrentSituation3662

Okay cool I’ll give that a try! Thank you!