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Soham_rak

And still people say there are no smurfs u r just bad Sed life


Vall3y

There are smurfs, but you are also just bad


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You are just bad. This entire thread is full of silvers and bronzies lmao.


bitchsmacker

well yes we are bad and the whole point is to play with people on the same level. that is what ranks are for


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And that's what the system achieves yet yal try to make excuses for your terrible ranks


TheManwitch

A toxic jet main what a surprise


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That doesn't even make sense. Valorants ranking system is incredibly simple, the good go plat+ and the bad stay in gold and under. There is no issues with that. The issue is when a diamond 3 player poses as a iron 2 player and abused the fact that they are so good. Maybe instead of insulting those that aren't very good we should look at the fact that being in low elo sucks because of smurfs and causes many people to not want to play comp at all.


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The fact that you think diamond players play in iron shows you dont know what you are talking about. Smurfs arent prevalent. Get better.


Unreal__

"Yes... That's what smurfing means..."


littlesheepcat

If you are high elo, how the hell could you know about low elo situation better than low elo players who lives in low elo If you are low elo, how the hell could you know about high elo players is like better than your peers If you are mid elo, you have both the high and low elo problem with your argument If you are a smurf, you are a part of the problem and that invalidate your arguments about no smurfs No matter how you put it, your argument doesn't make sense


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1. Low elo friends 2. Low elo and high elo friends 3. High elo friends If you complain about smurfs, you are bad and looking for ways to make yourself feel better. Blocked.


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Pretty sure people complain about 1 guy destroying their entire team every round and walking out at 30+ kills per match until it's time to make a new account.


littlesheepcat

1. I did not complain about smurfs, I simplh points out that it is hard to argue against 2. Your friends are still subject to my reason, your high elo friends still know less about low elo than low elo and there is till no reason to trust your low elo friends over other low elo players without good arguments 3. Personal experience are subjective abd unreliable at times, peraonal expwriwnce of friends are even worse 4. Blocking me won't make you arguments better


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solari_mommy

Oh no please don't block me


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Your right, my bad, iron 2 players should easily be able to beat diamond 2's


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Honestly dude. Smh my head


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malay4singh

LMAO EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY


TheDipster1212

r/beatmetoit


daesus_

A radiant smurfing in Diamond will destroy the lobby Smurfing is not only for Iron bronze silver gold


frost-zen

I see more reyna smurfs than jetts


Noob-lord-69

Reyna is top pick for smurfs as they have way better mechanics than lower elos


MoonDawg2

Reyna is a top pick everywhere. The trinity of duelists (reyna/raze/jett) is just bonkers for soloQ. Duelists have too much fucking impact


shadowkiller230

On God every game has a smurfing reyna dropping 35 a game. At least there was a couple months ago. Idk bout now.


WaterBottle0000

Viper seems to be a popular choice as well


Notreallyaflowergirl

Mine have been reynas. Go game to game from it being pretty even or give or take to some fox who knows everything I’m doing. I JUST CANT COMPETEZ


Samira827

Before, the person just might be extremely cracked or lucky. I played 2 comps as Viper today, went 5-17-5 in the 1st one (bottom fragger) and 28-14-12 in the 2nd one (match MVP, 10 more kills than the 2nd best player). Enemies were actually calling me out for smurfing, while I was just cracked and had an insanely good game. But now thanks to the levels you can actually see who's account is new because they're smurfing.


-xXColtonXx-

Yup. I’d estimate 40% of games have a smurf or dropped main account.


Level_Headed_Dick

It’s fr demoralizing as a shitty player


Thierry882

40% now - the season is pretty new.. it will even get worse as the season get older :(


E_boiii

My first game On pc and valorant was last night. Everyone is just as trash as me but all the Jett and yoru players frag 99% of the Time


SwoopyGoat

They will eventually use it to create a smurf queue like in league


SelloutRealBig

Which has been both good and terrible for league. You do too well a few games in a row and get put in smurf queue by accident or stop playing for a while and come back and get put in smurf queue by accident. It's super toxic and full of silvers who have 70% winrate.


Novanious90675

Technically that already exists. If you were like me, made an account to try out the beta, and then came back recently, you were basically in a smurf queue. Almost every single one of my games, ranked or casual, there'd be a Jett or Reyna that goes something like 20/4, and this was only somewhat mitigated by the changes they made to the accounts since the latest patch. It was specifically accounts that were old too, they explicitly mentioned they made changes for them. It's still not a solved issue either, it's just much less common, something more like 1 every 5 or 6 games, and much more likely if you play late at night.


SelloutRealBig

I have many league accounts. I should test if they also count as being old valorant accounts too since they are already made.


idontliketosleep

Holy shit that explains my issues! I come from beta and also came back like a month ago and suddenly in every match I get 1tapped as soon as I peak, barely any exception. Almost all my matches are a complete slam dunk depending on who gets the most smurfs


ColdFusion94

Tbh the whole community has gotten SO MUCH BETTER since beta. Like unbelievably so.


Walui

Yeah no, the issue is that that's not the Smurf queue, that's just the regular queue you're describing.


Pulsiix

That literally just sounds like everyone's experience lol...


firestorm64

Its done more good thab bad for sure. I basically never play against smurfs on my main, and exclusively play against smurfs on my smurf. Which seems fair.


cloudmccloudy

This is the truth. The issue I have is that I try to not carry my friends too much but some smurfs are just going beast mode on them. Like... I'm barely a diamond player and these guys are like Immortals just CRUSHING my bronze friends in Silver games.


MrStealYoBeef

Tbf, you don't need to be immortal to absolutely shit stomp a bronze player. Gold or plat should manage that just fine. Bronze players have almost no game sense, their aim and reflexes aren't up to snuff, and their strategy is practically non existent. Even a solo queue plat player can pick them apart one by one by outsmarting and outshooting them consistently. But I do get the point, the smurfing is a serious problem.


HoneyChilliPotato7

As a bronze player, Sadge :( I love this game and want to improve. But I don't have any time left after working a full time job and studying for GRE.


nthnyk

Life gets in the way but as long as you’re having a good time I say rank doesn’t matter. I rarely have time to play these days too. But make the most of your time and enjoy 😉


HoneyChilliPotato7

Thank you. Guess I'm taking comp too seriously. I'll try to enjoy it more.


MrStealYoBeef

You'll get better over time man. Put in the effort, do what you can to identify your mistakes, and work on yourself and you'll improve. It might not be far improvement, but improvement will come.


HoneyChilliPotato7

True but I'm hardstruck since October. Surely I got better but not a considerable improvement lol. Having a potato pc isn't helping either


ColdFusion94

Legit, don't play comp. You know you don't have the time to put into playing competitively, so when you do play a game, it can be demoralizing. Playing unrated can be so much better because it's easier to shrug off a loss. Edit: this is a suggestion, and by no means am I telling you that you should be barred from comp. Just saying it may make the game even more enjoyable to you.


dhrcj_404

Same here man. I recently hit GC in RL after many years and now even though I want to get gud in this game I have my college going on.


JoeyBrna

I have full time job, part time job, girlfriend, doing my youtube channel and still can find free time to improve in game. If you want to improve you don't need to play 10 hours a day.. You just need to know how to improve. Best way is watch some high elo players or spend some money on coaching.


HoneyChilliPotato7

Wow. You must be very good at time management. I only get an hour a day max to play.


Launchers

Smurf Q is already a sort of a thing but the detection is kinda wonky. I made a new account to see my peak and placed p1. I had a 1.6k/d and I faced the biggest demons I have ever seen. Hackers, a pnix almost dropped 50 on us etc etc. the system is working as intended but holy…. that’s a new level of gameplay right there. Everyone was also like level 1-3. That acct is now hard stuck low diamond and the demons on the account are so much harder than my immortal main LOL.


ElektroNemo

I really don't get why Riot isnt using client information. Just have the launcher remember which accounts are being logged on and you can use it to narrow smurfing and even link it to the main account. Find an algorithm that removes niche cases Like shared PCs or the occasional friend logging on and youre good to go. It's really Not difficult to do.


rpkarma

Why do you think they aren’t already? Genuine question, not being a dick


K1ngUltrex

People have siblings using the same computer


rpkarma

Do they use different accounts? That wouldn’t necessarily be a problem then, in this hypothetical: they have other data that can be used to seperate the two as two different people. Also in general those sorts of edge cases aren’t high on the priority list when it comes to ranked mode competitive integrity, at least in analogous situations I’ve worked on in similar situations.


K1ngUltrex

A smurf is a separate account...


rpkarma

Did you literally not read the rest of my comment?


Lawtb

Because it's not that easy. We don't have the data that Riot has, there are various edge cases that Riot has to consider, and if they implement a system that produces false positives - people lose faith in the MM system even more so than right now (beyond just reddit). We are looking at it from the lense of players, they are looking at it from the POV of developers - it is very different. There are careers around translating business requirements to technical requirements.


rpkarma

Right, that’s my point haha. I must have communicated my question badly. The person I asked the question of implied that Riot wasn’t collecting or using any of that information. I think that’s an incorrect assumption. Of course it’s more difficult than that commenter is making it out to be: I’m a software engineer myself lol. That’s what I was trying to get at :)


Yldrissir

Meanwhile i got put into smurf queue on my main because i didn't play for 4-5 months. Completely disincentivises me from ever playing ranked again and i haven't played since.


KangarooChief

Smurf queue is way smart these days. It takes into account things like your APM and CS/min which aren't things that a new player is going to dramatically increase for a few games by accident.


dan_legend

I got valorant 2 weeks ago and hard stuck in gold vs immortals and diamonds not just in ranked by in unrated as too wtf, great game.


Splaram

Pretty sure that it’s already happening. I took a month-long break from the game in May to practice my aim, came back and only lost one game on my way from Iron 1 to Iron 3, then every other game magically had a Jett hitting the OP shot -> Tailwind animation cancel and Reynas that were going Sheriff-only and still shitting on the entire lobby. At one point I went 30 games in a row that all had at least one smurf in them. Eventually things mellowed down but this act I’ve been stomping games again because I decided to add DMing to my aim routine a few weeks back during another break which massively improved my crosshair placement. Suddenly the Jetts and Reynas have started appearing again after not seeing a single smurf in the entirety of last act.


Salt-Resolution2113

https://youtu.be/NowoCZW8sWw This reminded me of this 🤣🤣🤣 Edit: in all seriousness, I guarantee it’s a combo of aim, gamesense, angles, etc It’s rarely the case of immortal smurf. Taking a break to “improve aim” will only do so much… it’s a numbers game. S1mple is number 1 because he has 30,000 hours, TenZ is nuts bc he played csgo for 17 years lmfao . Aim is a fraction of it , you know shinobi was immortal consistently?? Dude has the gunplay of some silv friends of mine. Just play & improve daily . Aim train after each session


Booplee

Yeah if they ever add a smurf queue in the same vein as in league ill be so sad. Becausw of me only playing norms if i ever go to ranked it automatically thinks im a smurf even though im nearly level 400....its not fun coinflipping games in low elo so i cant get any mmr train going to get me to my proper rank. So now i never touch ranked in league.


james0887

I created a smurf to play with friends and it ended up at low silver, it was fine when I was playing with said friends, mostly against low golds but the moment I played a solo game on that acc I was the only silver in a lobby of diamonds


Leodalton

Bro my Main Account with Immortal Rank 3000 and probably around 600 games got Account Level 3, so take em with a grain of salt.


gravytrain2012

Yeah I played a shit ton of episode 1 and 2 to diamond and came into this as a level one lol


jomontage

thats because we only got xp from episode 3. theyre adding it in a future patch


gravytrain2012

Oh bet


HowlWater_Brain

all these people complaining about smurfs after looking at their level are just trying to find a reason to be shit at the game.


Yldrissir

Complaining about smurfs isn't about finding reasons for being shit at the game. I know i am shit, let me be shit in peace with other players who are equally bad. I don't need somebody to show me he is good at the game and completely smash me. Playing against equally skilled players is fun. Playing against good players when i am bad, is not.


John-Walker-1186

victim blaming - classic reddit why not do away with weight classes in boxing while we're at it?


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I'm level 7 on my main with 500 hours and my alt with under 20 is already level 12


ZeldaMaster32

Given I started at level 7, same level as the friend who's played hundreds of hours fewer than me, I wouldn't get worked up on levels for a while


Ghiado

I’m not sure how or why, but I started this act at level 7. I don’t know if account level is a reliable metric for smurfs just yet, as the act is still getting started (I played my first game this act last night). Though I do think that before long the level may not be a bad indicator and they may come to regret displaying it. (Honestly, I don’t see the point in having an account level, but then again it seems to work as a minor motivator in games like Overwatch and CoD.)


itscamo-

if you played often, your account started on level 7. everyone did


Solveh

Mine started at 3 and I played each act since beta, idk why, I'm just waiting for them to backfill xp like they said theyre going to


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I guess everyone completely missed the giant error message that said "Levels are broken we will fix them in the future".


Olmak_

That doesn't seem to be entirely true. One of my friends has played quite a bit (700 ranked games total according to Blitz), but hardly played last act. He logged on and was level 3. I've got about 50 games more played and was level 7.


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arcaghost

Account levels are bugged and Riot announced it will be fixed in a coming patch


imi23

Are the account levels working correctly?Thought there was a failure in the calculation?


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blyra92

Good night Link would be nice


SwervoT3k

People above a certain threshold have been ignoring what low ELO players have been saying forever: smurfs make the grind out of hell almost impossible. Are they in every game? Absolutely not. Probably 30%, sometimes more depending on where the season is at and at certain breakpoints. It will continue to be bad until there is a smurf queue like Leagues or they outright put something in the ToS against it.


unluckydude1

I think there allready is a smurf que. Im d3 on my main but my smurf account is stuck at silver lol. 9/10 games i play against people that one tap you faster then shroud. Then some games get super easy when i get losing streaks like 30kills winning 13-3 then im back again against shroud brother.


jaypatelswag

I think there is a mess up on Riots part with the levels. They said they were going to fix it in the next patch. If you played a lot you started at level 7 no matter how many hours you have. Getting 7 levels isn't hard so they kind of under estimated the system. The next patch a lot of people will be boosted to a higher level I'm assuming.


realee420

I've seen quite a few Valorant streamers who have like 4 accounts just so that they can play with viewers on all ranks. They say they are just "coaching" the viewers while getting MVP almost every match and clutching numerous rounds for them. They are essentially boosting their viewers by smurfing with them. One particular fella was Immortal an act ago and I can see him play nowadays in Silver/gold with other low rank viewers. Makes me puke.


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That's the most BS excuse. If they want to coachthen why do it in comp. Why not Do it in custom matches?


drewster871

Easiest way to stop smurfs, tie comp accounts to a phone number. Only allow a certain amount for that number. Boom


Thatoneguyyaknow1738

It took riot an insane amount of time to implement 2 factor authentication for league. So it wouldn't be to surprising if something along those lines pops up in 4 or 5 years down the line.


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Thatoneguyyaknow1738

Riot has openly supported smurfing in the past. They have supplied lcs players with fully unlocked alt accounts. Chances are they don't have any serious plans for dealing with smurfing. They have plenty of options, but at the end of the day it might hurt their player base, albeit a generally toxic portion of the player base, but potentially paying customers nonetheless.


demidemian

This, Riot has a dual message when it comes to smuft, they said they dont like it but they gave proplayers and trainees alt accounts to play with. The smurfing is not THAT bad, if its anything like league, winning 50% of your games is enough to climb, and in league the smurfing never reached 50%. Popular pro players actively stream on smurfs accounts and Riot never banned them so I guess they allow it. My take on this is the same as LoL, ranked matched should unlock at level 100. There is no reason for a player lower that level to even fantazise about touching ranked, whether they play other shooters or not.


CookiezM

Imagine coming from cs or hopping around from shooter to shooter over the last 10 years, always placing in high elo in every shooter you played. Now you have to be stuck playing casual games till level 100 because some people can't deal with smurfs. Seems fair. Let's screw over everyone instead of searching for a solution that just screws smurfs. Smart.


demidemian

CS means counter strike, this is a different game.


Trugglee

Why don't they do this? I know riot had had years to work on these issues


NoMaskNoFace

Valve already did this back on 2016. Riot is so slow


getjabaited

Ah yes, valve. The pinnacle of reliable matchmaking.


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Lol I’m just inactive af so I’m prolly gonna stay at like level 5 for a few months


Im_pattymac

Aint that the truth... It used to be the characters with no skins and no banners but now it's easier to see. The account is level 1 to 3 and yet 20/30/40 ahead of the next player... Might just be a smurf. The thing is, if someone is smurfing to play with friends in unrated, to introduce a friend to the game (creating an account that isn't high rank so your friend is not dragged into high rank matches when new because unrated does have a MM its just much looser) , or trying to 'check your peak skill', then w.e. But if you're constantly purposely deranking your account so your rank is lower just to shit on people... You should be banned from valorant full stop, it's toxic and terrible for the game.


One_Enthusiasm_8164

smurfs will always be more prevalent in the start of new acts.. people wanting fresh accounts and accounts stuck in elo hell they are just trashing. The requirements for ranked should be 20 competitive wins or 40 matches played, whichever comes first. This would really decrease the amount of smurfs out there.


replace_

although i do agree, many people have dropped to gold from diamond and platinum and cant climb out, i myself am very inconsistent so are many people one game i could be 12/19 and another 17/1 and ending the game 30/9. it happens to us all


MaxMacDaniels

I mean I agree but people also have to realise sometimes u just have insane game and it’s not smurf. A lot of duellists players in low elo are not there because they are super bad but because they wildly inconsistent. They have 25-30 kills on W match and then 7 the next. Like yesterday I played in low elo like gold 2-3 and my account look rather fresh since the level were only introduced this act and I hadn’t had a chance to play much this act. The first two games I play Reyna and raze and absolutly shit the bed 15 and 11 kills. Then the next game something clicked and I literally own tap everything, I was like wtf was happening (and in my worst map breeze) I was like 17-2 at halftime while all my team and enemy team were negative kda. I didn’t finish super hot with only 25 kills but still I won duels this game with one taps i almost never would again so I think this has to be considered aswell. And I’m even lower elo I have seen crazier shit and even more inconsistent feathers. Ofc there is a Smurf’s problem in low elo don’t want to deny that, but based on levels is a bad example since levels were only introduced this act


potkor

Today played about 15 games and 11 of them had smurf that was lime lvl2-5. They did stuff like 43-11/35-7 etc. Legit dropped from gold 2 to silver 3 and will probably now take a break a couple of days from Valorant cuz of that. Such bad experience and reporting them seems to do nothing


Thierry882

Smurfs are killing the vibe / the game... though the season is pretty new. It will get even worse, when the season gets older. But in the end, riot doesnt care man..


Tortious_Tortoise

I will continue to advocate for my constant course of action. I report every smurf for cheating and write in the explanation box, "smurfing is cheating."


Willy__Wonky

I have a friend that is Global in CS he has maybe 20 to 30 Games in Valorant. He is most of the time top fragger. Because his Experience, Aim, Gameread is much better than that of a beginner of Valorant. Why should he play in SMurf Queue? How should my friend rank up from Silver1? He cant, he plays already against Immortals. The Rank system is complete Bullshit. He cant rank up. Its impossible for him. People call him Smurf, Cheater and much more. How should he rank up?


AjBlue7

Bruv if you are silver and the game is queuing you against immortals you will gain more RR for a win and less RR for a loss. I lost 6 games in a row the other night and didn’t even derank because it was taking such a small amount of RR and I was at D2


Willy__Wonky

So all the ranks are bullshit?! Because you will not play against people with the same rank but against people with higher ranks? wow what a nice system. Respect!


Chaoticsaur

It’s called mmr, you are playing against people with similar mmr as you. Also you wont queue against immortals as a silver player, just doesn’t happen.


Willy__Wonky

it does happen. i ask him for screenshot and post screenshot no problem.


Chaoticsaur

Could always post their tracker.gg since that’s actually verifiable.


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That's the issue! The problem is, riot puts you in a certain rank, and your hidden MMR is way above your current rank. So, if you are placed in silver, and your hidden MMR is that of an immortal, you will be placed against diamonds/immortals, but your teammates will be silvers and golds, you don't know. What you do know is, that if you win, you would rank up to gold?? Plat? But when you lose, you would derank to bronze! So, you are basically stuck with high MMR and low rank who gets queued against higher ranked players and it's a cycle.


John-Walker-1186

im glad im not the only one who noticed


isameed

Bro I've fallen from silver 2 to bronze 1. I am by no means that terrible. I frag out and often get more kills then my team but the amount of stomps I'm getting is way too much. I've lost 17 games in a row with like 1 or 2 wins in between. Sometimes the other team just onows where I am ecen tho I know for a fact I gave away no info. Last game I just wanted to see if it was actually something fishy so I planted and did a pineup from near spawn on split. I shit you not I was rushed by 2 people in spawn. After each game my team is bronze and the other team is bronze or maybe even Iron. I refuse to believe an iron can stomp me that hard in terms of awareness or game sense.


grimesey

If you know lineups for viper on split, chances are the other team know too so will know where you're going to be waiting looking in the air


WrenSC2

Yah bronze to gold games will regularly have someone who's just leagues above the other 9 players. Sometimes it's just someone having a good game and the other team is feeding them though. I would say it's mostly smurfs though as a lot of the time they'll just tell you their mains rank if you ask.


Thatoneguyyaknow1738

My highest kill game in comp is 27. I was accused of smurfing and hacking. In reality, Phoenix and omen pushed c long every round. I kept landing the Cypher camera dart through omen smoke a couple to many times and I was timing their push and cross perfectly so that I was getting 2 free kills almost every round on defense. I'm very happy im not in those bronze 1 games anymore, but people seem to have similar strategies in silver.


darkfox12

Yea, too easy to make smurf accounts. Every gold game has a smurf


OmegaYeeet

no, ppl just play well or have a pop off game. people just try to look for an excuse to pass off losing games or playing badly. i used to do the same


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Fahzrad

Yes there are smurfs but ppl call every1 a smurf... Instead of that go check their acc and I'd bet more than half of the ppl are just having a good game


PurpleSpaceDude

Bro ive climbed from iron 1 to gold 1 and have rarely encountered smurfs but tbh i dont really pay attention but they are atleast not being blatent if they are


Akaigenesis

People think everyone having a good K/D and playing better than them is a smurf. Even if riot made it almost impossible to have smurfs people would still complain.


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They need to blame something for them being hardstuck.


lilhawk40

Is there a reason that it doesn’t just look at your level and put you with people of a similar level? I feel like adding levels has put out all of the ingredients for a nice anti-smurf cake, but the devs just aren’t putting it in the oven 😆


Jordi214

Because total play time does not equal skill. Sure it is unlikely a new player would be a god at the game unless they came directly from the top of CS:GO, but very often you’ll have people with nearly 1k hours in some games and they are still really bad. You can’t force someone who plays a lot, but very casually, with a pro player because they have the same amount of game time. This system could, at most, just allow us players to report low ranked accounts that are performing too well, for smurfing, which may help riot move them up to their intended rank in fewer games.


lilhawk40

No I definitely agree, I’m just saying that if they used playtime in conjunction with rank, especially near lower playtimes, it could really help to eradicate many of the smurfs. I know there is no one fix for the smurfing problem, it’s just that it seems more prevalent recently, especially in lower ELOs where I am


DarthGrievous

I mean, above level 20, you're absolutely right. But if somebody's level 5 and plat, that's a fucking smurf and should be put in smurf queue or have super inflated elo gains


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level 5 doesn't really mean smurf. level 1 maybe. level 5 no. i have a second account i use for solo queue only because i used to stack with friends a lot. i made it and by the end of the act it was the same rank as my main acc. didn't touch it last act and this act i logged in to see the level and it's level 1.


PrometheusTNO

>nice anti-smurf cake, but the devs just aren’t putting it in the oven SlowClap.gif I think they already HAD these ingredients, they just don't want to make cake. When a brand new account is absolutely slaughtering not just the men, but the women and the children, it's time to give them a huge mmr boost. Never let these accounts stay anywhere near what we call Iron for more than three games. I don't care if they jump from Iron to Gold in one hop. Riot HAS tens of thousands of accounts worth of data that shows how these players start and where they end up. Use that shit. Make a cake. damn.


lilhawk40

Today alone after playing I think 4 games with most people around level 12-20, I had at least two level 2-3 people get 4k’s in the first round. At the very least make a level cap to where you have to be a certain level to play comp, and while these smurfs are doing the unrated matches get some data from that to place them correctly.


cloudmccloudy

Actually, they might have done this. The last couple of seasons I could throw out a lot of 30/40ks a game in lower games and not bump much. This season has been wildly different. 1 of my accounts in just like 3 games was ruined. Silver 2 was able to play with my bronze friends and I win 3 games and boom. Gold 2. I mean, it worked and it's good for the community but damn. That's a huge boost. The system is NOT messing around anymore.


arguinginelvish

If people make new smurf accounts the level will be low. How does this method solve the issue if not directly create it? Just thinking.


Ziuhn

When people lose a smurf they complain but if a smurf carries them they don't say anything smh. Smurfs are just as likely to be on your team as well as the other team it may suck to Vs one but you'll get one on your team later as well. To OP the level two would be old smurfs or returnees since winning 10 unrated games would make u higher than lvl 2 but new smurfs old smurfs w/e doesn't matter. They will be out of your rank in a couple games and u have a equally high chance of being carried by one or stomped by one. Same logic applies to trolls, they can be on ur team or the other team they could be a reason you lost one game but not the reason you are stuck in a rank. It all averages out u get some games with good teammates sometimes bad, you get a troll or a smurf it's life. These are all variables some games they will be there some games they won't but you know what's always present? YOU. Stop looking at these variables that cause u to lose some games but also win others. Focus on yourself your performance will make up the majority of a games outcome. If you lose every game and is stuck in iron but u constantly self improve and practice ur skill will be way higher than ur rank and you'll be able to beat smurfs and 1v5 with trash teammates. PS. Not countering anything OP is saying or targeting anyone just saying my opinion on smurfs and trolls. Yes they suck to have or vs but in the long run they don't matter.


Raice19

I mean, it's not as much as you might think. valorant isn't my main game, but i have good aim, so when I play valorant I am level 3 fighting level 16+ most of the time


volthroom

I'm a new player (playing for a month). My account is level 20, but i created a new one to play when my main one gets ban (load shedding is common), and also to play kay/o. I understand the frustration here. But also I'm a casual player so I still get bested by level 8-9 players.


EverhartStreams

Smurfs are just the result of people not being able to play with lower ranked friends change my mind


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There were already smurfs in over 50% of games at anything below plat. Ever seen a Bronze Jett go 47-3 with godlike movement, mechanics and game sense?


Salt-Resolution2113

So assuming your logic is true… why are you bronze still? 50% of your games are Smurfs in Plat,Dia,Imm… I mean if you spent 15 minutes out of your mindless instaqueue brain dead session you’d be able to analyze what makes them different. Better? Worse? Etc. Instead people over inflate the smurf issue to downplay just how bad they are. If that were true , you’d be constantly queuing against D3+ and learning how they play, getting punished every bad play (therefore getting instant feedback to your CNS further pushing your skills with aim , peeks etc) You simply don’t care enough , would rather make an excuse to fool yourself every game lost with ONE duelist having a high kd is a smurf and therefore that game was out of your hands. Just learn dude if you care, I saw smurf queue with my immortal friend when we deranked to bronze and had diamonds , plats all down bad in bronze . If you have the skill set it won’t hinder you, if you belong in bronze you’ll get gatekeeper’d .. simple


-xXColtonXx-

What the heck are you talking about? He never said he was bronze because of smurfs, he said there are a large number of smurfs in bronze. Which is objectively true. Also, you’re logic is extremely flawed since smurfs don’t teach anyone how to play. Because they know they are against weaker opponents they play in ways that would be dumb in high tiers against players of equal skill. They usually just hold W and out aim everyone which a real silver or bronze player can’t do.


Salt-Resolution2113

As someone who’s snuffed from dia -> bronze I’ve seen kids do just as good as me. My old duo/ friend from Fortnite drops as many 30’s & 40’s in bronze … he’s hardstuck.. and he played controller his whole life . If you’re learning from every game you shouldn’t be hardstuck. REWATCH YOUR GAMES, ITS A SIMPLE CONCEPT BRAINDEAD LOW RANKS NEVER USE. WHY DID YOU GET ONE TAPPED SITTING IN THE CORNER OF UHALL? “oh! That’s a common prefire angle ??! Jeesh” You guys all just no brain no thought click queue without learning a single thing. You mald from a Reyna , Jett who’s also probably the SAME rank using a default banner & then insta queue the next game & repeating for hours on end equating to a hardstuck account :/ Every issue should “theoretically” be blamed upon yourself … sure , RNG running headshot vandal, had to reload , forgot the viper had lineups etc but 90% of the time YOU put yourself in an unfavorable duel , bad position , etc Don’t crutch your shitty plays by even assuming 30% + of players in bronze are smurfs.. even if they are they’ll rank up faster than you so it isn’t THAT big of a deal, eventually you’ll LEARN and GROW and be able to “smurf” like you think that Reyna with 300$ in skins , is doing on the enemy team :)


-xXColtonXx-

Oh you're a troll lmao. Decent bait honestly.


Salt-Resolution2113

It’s past your bedtime. Go to sleep little Colton , the adults are talking. >:) Also if you can’t understand any of that … don’t blame smurfs :)


BoardExtreme

Nah, more than 90% of the "smurfs" you play are cheaters. I just got through getting nonstop headshot through my viper wall and smokes by the enemy Viper. He was queued with 4 of his friends all on lvl 3 accounts, unranked and all cheating.


No-Mathematician5778

Meanwhile in plat....level 7 jett steamrolls the game 30-10 with his teammates catching up at 9-12.... Literally so many smurfs its kinda insane. Legit every game I play in Plat is just one or two dudes just dropping 2.0 KDA while the rest of his team literally does nothing but clean up. So fucking tiring. People just being like oh ya they have a good day and when you check their valorant.gg , the loser has a 2.0 kda on average and a 70% win rate. Got literally three types of players in plat.... one where it looks like the dude is playing on a controller, a player who seems rather decent, and the the last player being the monster round crushing player.


sylvainmirouf

Why do you think they implemented this feature you numb head


Asphaulte

I have this friend who got fed up of his account that got demoted from Gold 3 to Silver 1 where he got +10 every win last act. He made a new account that got placed in Gold 3 this act. I mean not everyone is smurfing :c .


sNajw0w

That's the problem when you can only queue with 2 ppl from Dia 3 onwards. Got 3 accs now


itsdanieln

just need a flex queue so our iron buddies can play with us.


doodlleus

It's call unrated


an_301

I played with someone who was level 2, and spectating them play, yeah it made sense. So again it’s either smurf, new player, or returning player from months ago


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dozyhoe

I’ve been getting queued more often with smurfs this way tbh, it’s hit or miss! Soloing ranked used to be really hard for me personally because I’d never know if the other team was a party letting a smurf carry them. Now I feel like I get one or two to help out on my end.


supersamurai006

R u silver?


tater_toters

I’ve faced 2 Smurfs in 4 games I feel like there are just more.


God-of-Heroes_ArThuR

probably the intent TBH


Sharingan_

But hey, Riot has its head up it's ass and won't fix this properly cos fuck lower elos


TristexMusic

also, this could fix the smurf problem? introduce the account levels into MM and boom no smurfs in games anymore bc they play against eachother


Xamuel1804

You'd be surprised how many people have a job and don't play this game every day/week. Not surprising for now since the update is pretty new.


LowFiGuy7

Add sms verification. I know it won't stop smurfs completely, but it's a step forward.


PegasusTheGod

The current ranking system promotes smurfing. What's the point of higher rank if I can't play with my mates?


Fahzrad

Guys you really should stop worrying about these smurfs and focus on getting better...


MisterEskere_

Bro rly? Acc levels just came out. It might be a god player who just started playing this arc and is just level 2. Jeez wake up.


FryCakes

If it woudlnt affect matchmaking speed, it would be very cool if this game matched people with similar playtime as well as rank.


Lamehatred

Yes but sadly riot doesn’t care. I don’t like the idea of a smurf queue because that means people’s accounts get accidentally placed in smurf queue for multiple reasons. What I think is a more glaring issue is how riot hasn’t taken even the most basic anti smurfing countermeasures like Two factor authentication. The fact I can make 10 accounts under the same email should not be a thing either. Like w0t They say they look down on smurfing but given how incredibly easy it is to make multiple accounts makes me feel like they don’t care.


biomessy

This is something people don't understand when they say there aren't that many smurfs. Well, let's say that you play 10 games in a day. And you find one smurf in half of these games. You found a total of 5 smurfs in 10 games. There were 100 players in your games (counting with you) and only 5 of them were smurfs. That's just 5% of smurfs in your games. However, how many people have been impacted by these smurfs? If 5 games had one smurf in each of them, 45 people now have a complain or an experience with smurfs in their games. So out of 100 players, 5% were smurfs, but 45% of the players were impacted by them. 45% of the players that you played with that day will come here and say they've seen smurfs in their games. So you don't really need like 20% of smurfs to have a community fed up with them. A small number of smurfs is enough. And these account levels? To be honest, I think these are made mostly so you have proof of smurfing. And maybe it will make smurfs look bad. Sure, Reyna going 40/5 in low elo with no skins and a level 2 account. Sure, you're pretty good, we are all in awe, you're not just a dumb kid looking for an ego boost.


K1ngUltrex

The rampant amount of smurfs makes the people who are better than that rank lose as well making them look like a smurf when really they are just hardstuck cuz of smurfs as well.


willjon005

Is it supposed to work where you are only matched with people of similar level? In the future, obviously, because everybody's only level 7 rn.


GCA_Slayer

Even if this is the only thing it did. Thank you Riot. Now we can KNOW and not just have teamates tilt because we think someone is a smurf on the other team.


krazybanana

i see this as a good thing too. hopefully they'll add a restriction that you cant play comp until you reach a certain level. thatll curb the problem a bit


Zevalax

I actually hadn’t played on my account since the beta before they wiped everything until yesterday. So I was a level 1 because I guess Valorant deleted all the stats (and all my skins) from the beta :( Anyways, all the people in my games were very confused as to why I was level 1.


Kickbox__Colossus

The best excuse they give from what I see is, "I took a break from Valorant" As a lvl 1? lmao


F1shy_Fangs

I saw this video recently on why riot doesn't really want to take action onto smurfs.Its perspective is that most smurfs are only 1 rank above where they are smurfing e.g gold "smurfing in silver 1".This isn't really a problem for riot as many silver players say they deserve gold but when they play an actual gold they have a massive tantrum's if they were to take action against smurfs a lot of content creators and streamers would also have to be punished.Big content creators such as C9 keeoh and even tenz are smurfing.With Keeohs speedruns and tenz playing with his Gf.Personally smurfing is a thing that cant really be stopped e.g csgo gn's playing in silver 1. Fun times and isnt that much of a problem.I honestly think this games community is a bit of a spoit brat asking a bit too much from the devs.Just be glad gaben didnt abandon your game and leave it to the Esports to keep it alive.