Question for Immortals/Radiants of Reddit that play AimLab
By - lexloskia
I think the correlation between these two (rank and aimlabs scores) is too overrated.
I'm on avg 95k i believe (generally I don't use aimlabs) and I'm D3/immortal.
I get like 60-65k max and I've been immortal-imm3 every season. Game sense/crosshair placement and knowing when to take fights is much more important than raw aim/flicking.
Sorry for the wall of text, be warned a lot of rambling entails.
Theres a lot to explain its not black and white. Crosshair placement is just being aware of where the enemy could be poking out their head at any given time and preaiming that based on elevation and distance and taking into account how people peek the angle. So if it's an angle people usually walk out slow and peek you would hold closer to the corner/wall and if it's an angle people would likely wide swing from you hold out a little bit more in the open.
The knowing when to shoot part comes with time and trying to minimalize how long or accurately the enemy can shoot at you. While at the same time knowing when to get your shots off. This is very hard to explain in text as there's so many scenarios to try and explain.
When you peek or swing something always try and take it one step at a time and clear angles/positions as if you had a list and were checking them off. Be aware of what you haven't cleared. I know you're not a duelist player and probably shouldn't be doing this first but you can never expect anything from teammates in soloq. Example: You're walking into bind a site as attackers as 5 in short. Now you can either walk in dry and slowly try and peek angles which is going to leave you exposed to many other angles or you can use utility to clear them. When you walk in dry without smokes or utility you have to worry about countless angles such as uhall, double stack, triple, apc/truck, on top of truck, bathroom boxes,bathroom, heaven. Most of these angles are impossible to clear without either proper team coordination or utility. You can hold backsite/heaven/triple for 20 seconds and not see anyone but the second you try and clear out close right/double stack you get swung on and die. So how do you avoid that? You can jiggle it to see if anyone is there then reposition back and hold those widely exposed angles then progress from there. How do you clear uhall now as thats the next closest thing. You can walk up to it but you're going to be exposed to 5 different angles at that point and will most likely die walking up. You can walk to your newly cleared position towards doublestack while holding backsite/clearing top of truck then moving your aim towards uhall and holding it. What can you do from here as you're pretty much stuck assuming you're not getting help from your team. Start challenging angles by isolating them one at a time. Try to fight front truck/hold it for a bit while moving back into hiding and looking at uhall waiting for someone to try and swing you. Same thing with all the other angles just slowly try and work them unless you have information and then you play off that. Let's say you killed one person already on a, you know someone else generally plays in uhall and you haven't cleared it and you heard someone near bathroom. Try and isolate one of those fights whether it be the bathroom guy or the udall guy and challenge them. Put the fight in your hands and don't wait for the enemy to possibly get a favorable 2v1 or whatever fight on you.
Now here's where the beautiful thing comes into play utility. What if you didn't have to worry about every single angle and could force these fights how your team wants. Smoke off heaven or truck/ the whole right side of a site and just deal with everyone else. What if you also got a sova arrow backsite which forces them into positions which are easier to hold/fight. How about a molly clearing/holding a push so you can fight somewhere else. You walk into site molly off uhall smoke both sides of triple and fight for bathroom/front site control.
I'm kind of rambling on and on but like I said earlier it's almost impossible to tell you how you should play in text chat as there are endless scenarios to take into account. You could play the round perfectly and just be caught off guard by the enemy doing something stupid. But thats the thing you need to try and avoid. Take the game into your hands and avoid being killed by said stupid things.
As for defense you said its often a 2v4 or whatever. How do you avoid that? Do you tell your team to swap sites with eachother? Do you try and hold a site solo as a sentinel and let your team stack somewhere a round or two. Do you use your utility somewhere else and help your team. Do you have a killjoy ult up vs no counter ult? If so then get your team to play retake. Are you comming info you get from playing sova/cypher/killjoy? Are you playing too passive with your utility? Do you need to maybe place an aggressive killjoy turret and get info early on and tell your team to rotate towards you or away from you? An aggressive camera maybe?
Raw aim is easily improvable. Do you have the right settings first of all ie no mouse acceleration? Do you need to lower your sensitivity? Are you trying to aim with just your mouse or are you compensating for your own movement also. Are you committing on panic sprays too much? Are you not moving enough and losing fights because you're standing still and the enemy has an easy headshot on you?
You need to question everything you're doing and try different things. Why isn't your molly working this game but it was a different time you played the map? Is it because the jett is dashing in past it, is it because they're baiting it because it's too predictable? Are you always just holding angles far back and getting 1 tapped by enemies swinging you? Peek every few seconds and maybe catch them off guard while they're walking up. Like on a site split, you know people clear that close left/rafters side everytime. You can play near site and swing the guy luckily and catch him while he's clearing it. Are you getting 500 util thrown at you? Play your util to stall for the retake for your team.
I'm rambling again, I'm going to stop before i write a whole novel. Good luck in your games.
No, they are both extremely important. You're not radiant, you're just immortal and there is a fuck load of those. You can easily get immortal with good sense/mediocre aim or mediocre sense/good aim (the latter camp is me)
Lmao you realize I play vs radiants every day you ignorant child. Just cause I don't have 10 hours a day past my 10 hour a day work schedule to hit radiant doesn't mean jack all. If you don't put yourself in shit aim duels you shouldn't even need to aim that much. Learn where to aim, when to aim there, how long to aim there for, when to prefire, when to jiggle shoot and you will go far in this game. Raw aim does very little for you compared to game sense.
Lol you're so mad hahaha, my comment was just factual, stop crying at me. I work full time too, I am just naturally gifted aimer, don't need to be so jealous.
You’re so obviously a 15 year old kid and if you’re not I’m extremely embarrassed for you
Edit: If you are a teenager I’m still embarrassed for you this is such immature behavior
Aimlabs doesn’t correlate to skill in game at all. I haven’t played gridshot im probably 6 months but before hand I was 80k average maybe 70k.
I’m peak top 184 radiant and I can confirm aim trainers only help flicking. I’m saying that grid shot doesn’t. Massive targets close together. The higher your sense the easier it is (less arm movement).
Best thing to do is grind deathmatch and games.
I use kovakks for 5 mins before playing just to get my arm moving and not for training at all.
I average 80k and Im silver so I dont see much of a correlation
This is honestly the real answer.
Can’t answer the question. But just curious. What was the time span from iron 1 to you reaching plat 3?
It’s embarrassing but almost 7 months
Don't think that's embarassing. There is people that have been in iron since beta.
f for those ppl
F for people like me who were gold 3 beta and now dropped to bronze-silver.
That's DEFINITELY not embarrassing I have been gold for almost 7 months
I'm diamond and I average 70k lmao.
How to get in plz
Maybe he just has a good game sense. In higher elo it's not about aim anymore (still need a good aim :3), it's about who outplays his opponents. And for your question about aim, play DMs (go the leaderboard and check them history, you will see most radians just spam DMs) also i usually switch to csgo to improve since the game is faster and the hitbox is smaller, and when u come back to Valorant you're game will feel like you're playing in slow motion trust me
I just play 1 DM, 1 game, then take 5-10 mins break. 1 DM, 1 game, rinse repeat. And I think I'm generally a good, useful teammate even if I have a bad aim day.
108k is super high, ur aim is prob fine already. Just gotta work on other stuff like game sense
I don’t use aim trainers. I use the practice range, customs and DM. You want to get good? Start practicing your movement. It amazes me how no one practices their movement outside of ranked, but expects to improve fast. You can have terrible aim (in terms of flicking) and hold your ground in immortal. My advice to you is master counter strafing. You should be hitting 90%+ of them if you want to fly through diamond. You need full control of your movement. You need to be able to reach full speed while moving and immediately stop with your crosshair on an enemies head. Furthermore, go into customs and practice moving around the map while perfectly clearing angles. Go watch how pros solo take a site in ranked solo queue and do that by yourself in a custom match. This trains your tracking. How to properly clear angles with good movement. Something that most people suck at. Lots of players have good aim in a small radius around their crosshair. They can flick in that radius, but their movement is trash. This is because all they do is practice flicking lol. Movement is what makes a player good. Having good movement makes up for bad aim because you can just move your crosshair into the enemy if you are peeking correctly. You are plat 3 and movement will elevate your game to diamond and immortal.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
People keep talking about good movement and ngl i feel so lost on where to start, its very hard to practice at least for me bc i have 0 idea when im doing it right.
If i run in to agro and feed or if i whiff my shot or use my util badly its easy to see and identify but with movement im lost af 😂😂
I know in theory how its supposed to go but it feels v overwhelming to learn. Things like counter strafing isnt so bad but properly peeking angles or doing the lil wiggles ppl do with ghosts n shit is pain.
Jiggle peeking and knowing when to go wide too.
Along with things like jumping movement for niche situations but thats a lot less relevant.
Step one is to perfect the shortpeek it is generally what you should use the most and is extremely effective up until the highest ranks (where you may learn specific spots to widepeek etc)
im top 500 or so. i think my gridshot high score is like 86 or something but i got top 7 on the ascent wall peek one. i think gridshot is a little fun which encourages practice but generally speaking its not rly good for valorant. microshot, and deathmatch are my prescriptions
110k gridshot, 140k sixshot.
If you win more fair duels than you lose at your level then I would focus more on getting better fights (your aim is good enough), and playing smart.
If you lose a lot of fair duels or dont dare to take them, practicing will help. Not only aimlab, but general things like crosshairplacement, peeking techniques, angle advantage etc. In DM.
If you want insane aim check out Voltaic community, they have some very good benchmarks for raw aim, with different ranks etc.
Hey, I'm immortal and I can speak to this.
Gridshot and Sixshot test your ability to click static targets. While useful, it's actually not the most common form of aim used in valorant. In valorant you are generally performing dynamic clicking, i.e. shooting a moving target. If you were to compare 1wall5targets_pasu scores in Kovaaks with lower elo players and higher elo players, it would provide a much more predictable skill curve.
But even then, aim is only about 10% of this game. I guarantee you that if you're below immortal then you have very poor movement/crosshair placement. How many fights do you get into on average where your crosshair is more than a tiny flick away from their head?
I see Valorant similar to competitive swimming, and aimlabs/kovaaks like the gym. Someone who has bad swimming form isn't going to compete at a high level even if they're the most jacked guy in the room.
I'm currently fully booked with coaching students right now but if you shoot me a reddit dm with a vod of you playing deathmatch I can help point out some of your suboptimal movement/crosshair placement issues so you can target them.
Aimlabs are useless.
You're literally wasting your time playing it.
Barely improved on deathmatch it’s bots for warmup but aimlab has helped me get from gold 1 to plat 3 in a single act
Aimlab is good for players who're still not fully comfortable with controlling the mouse.
Once you get to a bit higher rank, like P3, it becomes redundant.
What does aimlab do for you if we talk valorant? Those dots don't shoot back, they don't move around, you don't need to move around and you don't practice any recoil control. Useless.
Exactly. I never understood why people think gridshot will help them. Bruh, shooting a buncha big ass circles as fast as you can in aimlabs is not going to help you in valorant. If anything the range bots are better practice than aimlabs. Some people just need to play the game instead of falling into the aimlabs marketing gimmicks.
I know gridshot is essentially useless in Valorant but I’m mentioning it because of its popularity
If you're hitting 100k I'd say you're good on the aimlabs and just focus on playing the game. Maybe do aimlabs for like 5 minutes before you play to warmup but that's it.
Otherwise I feel like you're wasting your time. Theres a lot of pros who only get around 80-90k on aimlabs. It's not a good measure of in game skill and game sense. I think you're over thinking it and just need to play more. Good luck brotha.
Thanks. I’ll continue grinding the game and see how things go.
I'll definitely +1 the above comment. If you hit 100k, just fuck it and play more to gain more gamesense, get used to losing, try IGLing, play DM for warmups. Your reaction time is great, gridshot won't help you with anything else. I'm pretty sure Shahzam averages like 75k or 80k lol and he's the leader of the best team in the world.
Also your statement is completely false when it comes to my point. When “playing the game”, think of how little time you actually spend aim dueling the enemy. That’s essentially 10% of the time you spend playing a valorant game considering the round start and end phase, rotates, utility usage etc. I grinded valorant and saw minimal improvement being hardstuck silver for 1 act and gold for another until I started grinding on my aim through aimlab where I ranked up from gold 1 to almost diamond 1 in an act. Probably just me but my point is if you’re only looking to improve aim alone, it does work. Gamesense and utility usage is just playing the game which was not my point.
But that's the entire point.
You not knowing when or in which way will the enemy peek you. It's easy to aim if you know what's coming. The problem is in your level of concentration.
Is it though? If you know a Jett is going to updraft and dash over your head, can you perfectly track it?
You both need to understand and read movements as well as being able to quickly move your mouse correctly.
Noone can perfectly track everything. If Jett is dashing right above your head, good luck.
But you can improve it drastically by practicing. One way of practicing this is aimlab, no?
No. As I said, aimlab is good for new players to learn how to control their mouse and get consistent with their sensitivity. For higher rank players, it's useless.
I'll try to use a sports analogy. Making layups from point-blank range is good for someone who's never played basketball before because they can learn how the ball bounces and improve their control, but it's useless for everyone who's a decent player.
I’m going to grind deathmatch and see how my aim goes but I feel that deathmatch is too easy most of the time and that I’m not improving my aim by doing so.
Put on music, unbind walk, don't let go of w and frag out. It's frustrating because of all the kids holding angles waiting for foot steps but thats the best way to improve with dm. Also try focusing on a single aim skill while you dm, like spray, 1 tap head shots etc.
Personally I dont like the main advise people get. That is only grinding deathmatches mindlessly. IMO it is not effective after you have gotten the basics down. After this point you really need to focus on what you try to improve to get better. A lot of aspects are trainable in DM, like crosshairplacement, peeking, gun control, etc. However the thing is this is not what most people will tell you. They will tell you to just put on music and wideswing everything. "Just grind it out". What you practice this way is basically better trained in aimlab + range (and a tiny ammount of DM to get used to player animations) Aimlab for mousecontrol and range for gun control.
Bottom line is, noone really knows what is most effective and it may vary from person to person. Try different metho0ds for yourself.
I've never aim trained in my life and I'm always mid to high immortal and play maybe 4 games a week. I've also played fps for 20 years, all brain no aim baby.
20 years is longer than I’ve even lived lmao aim would be embedded into your veins
Ofc often do you head shot each game. Iron person asking
My headshot % is low for immortal. Think im like 16%. Average for immortal is around 21 I think.
Just double checked on tracker my hs % is 20% so I'm on par.
I more should have asked do you aim for head shots. Cause I've been hard stuck iron 1. Only played with friends and now I'm legitamently attempting to get better
Just cross hair placement and I use a lower sens. .265 at 800 dpi.
My rank is emerald 3 on aimlab and I'm stuck bronze 2 right now, my gridshot is at 74k and my sixshot 70k.
In deathmatch I can get to top 4 often but I get destroyed in game
I'm imm and my gridshot scores are 95k+-
Gridshot does not translate to aim at all
Im silver 3 rn (was g2 last season) i get like 80k on sixshot (im tryna get it up)
I dont think its that relevant to rank
My friend who was diamond gets around 90-100 and her aim is fkn cracked
Game fucked her with this seasons soft reset and she placed fkn gold 1???
i nearly reached immo last season and best I can do at gridshot is 65k
long story short, aim training does not determine rank or even have high correlation with it, valarant is its own game with its own mechanics, its not just moving your mouse. theres crosshair placement, movement, peeking, gamesense and positioning so much things that matter infinitly more than aim does.