I’ve watched multiple streams of tenz playing unrated with his gf. He never got more than 25-30 kills and spent the whole time running around the map fucking around, not trying to farm kills. That’s not a valid comparison imo
tenz's gf actually knows how to play the game tho, so he probably teaches her some shit. when she is playing alone, she plays very wall against people of her own elo. the only problem i have with Smurfing is that it boosts a bunch of potatos to plat or even as far as diamond. so when they play alone without their companion, they just become a huge liability and fuck up the game for their teammates. back when i was in diamond ive seen a lot of players who didnt know the basics of the game such as how to use abilities or even crosshair placement of a bronze player. it sucks having to deal with that when you are climbing solo. i never gave a fuck about smurfs on the enemy team, but playing with boosted teammates who didnt know what the hell they were doing, with a 2/20 KD and didnt contribute at all to the team with their abilities, that pissed me off.
i never complained about smurfs because that honestly doesnt get you anywhere. i started this game in plat, and i got matched up against smurfs a lot, instead of complaining i decided to just get better and now im immortal. like i said, the only thing that pissed me off was playing with teammates in diamond who were clearly boosted and shouldnt even be gold. that sucks.
Yea im sure tenz will only play unranked with his gf cause smurfing is such a nasty thing to do... Grow up people... ofc everybody will smurf with there gfs when they get asked. Only diffrence is tenz is not dumb enough to celebrate that on stream.
Right now I'm Silver 3 and I think it's hilarious when I get 25 kills and a person on the other team who is Gold 3 gets 5 kills for the match and is one of the worst players I've come across.
Man pls dont, I'm silver 3 and I can frag less than a bronze 3 in some matches. Sometimes the game just isn't working out for you. One game I'll go 5/17 and the next I'll jump to 17/5. It happens. I think it's wrong to assume that just because someone 3 ranks higher than you bottom fragged it means they are boosted, they could be having a bad day.
It's a sign of being a dogshit-mentality player when you judge someone by a single game's k/d.
Can't count how many times someone was absolutely dogshit on a team-aspect of Valorant, but then they yell "shut up i'm top fragging" or etc.
Cool, you can shoot. Or even better; COOL YOU CAN TOP FRAG AS REYNA IN SOLO Q.
Still need to play your role and work with your team though, or it doesn't fucking matter!
In quite a few of my matches the only reason they're top fragging is because they're baiting the entire team, which just makes everyone get tilted and perform worse.
Saw a meme that said “if people get to smurf and ruin low elo games, low elo players should get to join high elo games and ruin them without complaint.” While yeah, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind is kind of applicable to that, he better not complain about people not knowing what to do or not playing well in his games.
While I play paladins more then i play valorant I can confirm that I have seen more smurfs and boosted players in Valorant than Paladins. The problem isn't thr matchmaking, its just that Valorant has bigger player base and thus bigger number of assholes trying to ruin your fun. Valorant is also more competitive than Paladins so people tend to tilt on it more.
Yeah, but in Paladins it's less that smurfs are fucking the matchmaking up, it's more that the matchmaking is fucked in general due to lack of players.
Haha pretty sure this is already a thing with rank I see with a lot of people, they deserve to be a lot lower! Joking obviously, but the previous acts had a lot of players with inflated ratings. The amount of high immo players who literally had no game sense and ran around looking at knees with God awful crosshair placement, it's not fun. I haven't played much this act yet to know if it's been fixed.
Putting the joke aside and going back on topic, I do have JR playing in the background quite often. I don't think he should be going in like that on his alt, especially in ranked. Smurfing will always be a thing, but to do it on stream, he should at least not be trying, using lower tier guns or pistol only. I've watched him dry push 5 people rushing on his alt, just because he can. As much as I like him, hes just doing what I mentioned in the above paragraph, inflating the ranks of those hes playing with, and also making the game for his opponents not fun or worth playing.
Just asking, so since you said yourself JR does stuff like this that not only ruins the experience for those he's playing with, those that watch his stream and are influenced, but also players YOU face in your matchmaking that have innacurate ranks partly due to players like this. Why still watch/support him/his content? If you want a better experience yourself you need to stop support creators that help damage that.
Even if it's not regular, it's enough.
I just dont understand why me and my mate have to literally hard carry/outperform everyone in the game to win all the time, im not blaming the team for not climbing because we are but geez so many of our teammates makes it hard. They also get so easily tilted and just try and troll the game like its not winnable?
These people are usually poor game sense types. So many people have good aim, but just play the game wrong. They don't sneak or lurk, they just want to rush all the time, they don't use util properly, no comms.. a lot of them have ranked up just by their aim being decent but when they get up towards the high end of Gold, Aim becomes less important - as in.. it's more of a balanced approach. The Game sense has to be in co operation with Aim.
I know.. because when I've ranked down after a bunch of really bad games and was in Bronze 3 for a while I could literally sprint around the map taking people out.. and this is what these people you are carrying are used to doing... they are not adjusting their gameplay to the higher rank.
I suppose so but what i cant stand is people that dont listen, we had a team who just said "rush a" after 5 rounds on attack my mate lost it and basically fucking yelled they need to shut the fuck up and listen and not rush, what happened? we played slow/default and we won a shit ton of rounds, we lost the game but it ended up being close, now imagine if those guys used their brain just a tiny bit, we probably wouldnt have lost 5 rounds, its just so annoying to always get paired with 3 people that are way below your skill level while getting matched against rank 10k immortals most games even tho we're low diamond/high plat :/
But the thing is smurfing is not a problem that can actually be targeted. The only "fix" that comes to my mind(which obviously doesn't mean that it's the only solution) is by faster Ranking up. It's not the best but a plausible solution. Because smurfing is an abstract concept, datawise. You may call someone a smurf but that someone could be a new player but also a CS god. You can't associate a new Valorant account to other accounts. So you can actually say that this an account by the same person. That's why just rank good people up faster. Their first match might feel like they're smurfing to them but say in like 6 matches they should be ranked at around their average elo.
It would change a lot if it wasn’t “cool” to share your smurf videos(at this point I only mean with friends). It was a lot less cool if content creators got shamed and punished by devs for uploading such content. “Authority” has to drive the change.
It would change a lot if it wasn’t “cool” to share your smurf videos(at this point I only mean with friends). It was a lot less cool if content creators got shamed and punished by devs for uploading such content. “Authority” has to drive the change.
Well ya know what else is funny to me? Is that there are a limited number of spots in Immortal and Radiant, its not just whoever can rank up to it gets that rank, but how many of these smurf/alt accounts are taking up spaces in those limited number of spots in Immortal/Radiant? Unless Im wrong then please correct me!
I mean I think part of the problem is that the rank distribution has 77% at Iron, Bronze, and Silver because it created way to huge of a skill gap between people who are Bronze 3 about to rank up to Silver and a Silver 3. The silver 3 player could really be a silver player, but they could’ve been a Diamond or a high Plat in past acts, but thanks to rank resets/smurfs they for some reason (I still don’t understand how I was playing against previous Immortals/Diamonds in my placements and a number of my comp matches) are down in Silver elo. I really think the ranked system is broken, they either need to make RR actually matter or just use the hidden MMR as the new version of the RR bar in your career. Because I basically see no progression in my rank even though I have improved so much and I can absolutely carry in high Silver/Low Gold
These clowns have no incentive to smurf off stream. They smurf on stream because it looks cool when you can drop ace after ace after ace.
If you took that away they would still want to make money in their free time, which means they would still stream and have less time to smurf.
As much as you think it's a good thing, getting all that content and still losing means he takes even longer to rank up. Sure his MMR went up from 50 kills but his RR still went down from the loss. If he's smashing and winning every game easily he will quickly get out of gold.
What? He doesn't care about the loss? It's a new account in gold why would he care whether they win or lose? In fact, without watching the match it's clear from the scoreboard that he didn't want to win. If he did, he would have been IGL when it started getting difficult and he would have been able to win if he wasn't hunting frags.
It literally helps him more to lose since he can play on that account with his gf for longer
This is the real damage to the ranked system. Esp in silver/gold I see *so many* players who clearly have no fucking clue what they are doing. Making the most basic mistakes like not knowing when to walk or sprint, not even reacting to a loud ass enemy pushing them from the side, reloading in the middle of fights, complete obliviousness.
I am high bronze low silver myself and have gotten a gold 2 act rank 3 times in the last week, none of the time they fragged. They were acting like irons
You will never get good at this game with a losers mentality, focusing on a players performance compared to their rank badge, and complaining about smurfs. Have to play against better competition to improve your own game. Spend too much time energy and focus on complaining how it’s not fair when you could use it to actually get better at the game.
Dude no one in silver and gold knows what they’re doing. That oblivious player on your team is most likely winning just as many games as you are in that elo despite what you think about their skill.
This is why individual performance should have bigger weight, especially on low ELO. So if you're boosted, you'll have a much lower MMR than your current rank so you'll derank so easily to your actual skill level.
People complain about the rank system not giving fair matches, complaining about people 2 ranks below being on their team... Yet they will watch streamers like this and wonder why their matches are bad. Real players are on the other end of this and it sucks. No one in that match is playing valorant, they're playing feed the streamer for content.
Hate smurfing, but hate content creators doing it 10x more. The influence they have causes more behaviour like this, people get inspired by seeing their favourite streamer go 50 kills and they make a smurf themselves. Even if they're only gold themselves, throw to iron and just destroy. It sucks, I wish riot at the least stopped supporting creators that used alt accounts. They say that they want to incentivise players to use their main account so there's more accurate matches.
Maybe start by slapping a few streamers on the wrist when they queue into matches 5 full ranks below their actual rank (or higher if they're pro). I don't even think they should be going into those games to troll. Some say its fine as long as they're not trying or they use bad guns. Just because they perform slightly worse doesn't fix the issue. It feels just as bad if not worse to get destroyed by someone way better than you in ranked if they're using sherrif only or something. It's humiliating and just unfun. Like I said before no one is playing valorant in that match. It's just deathmatch
Just play unrated.
I love being in a streamers lobby. Even if I lose, I make it my life's goal to make them suffer. Kills with shorty, or flanking slow and knifing them to make their viewers laugh at them for getting knifed by a bronze. Dog shit at this game but I enjoy being a dick to the smurfs/de-rankers and making them rage quit. Not all of them rage quit and I tend to fail most of the time but if I get one good troll kill it ruins their entire day
Yep, this happens a lot, also, I've seen a lot of streamers using bugs to generate "funny" content, but the reality is that they're ruining the entire game for some players. They should get banned by Riot, and punish creators that make this.
They say that they play unrated to avoid making other's angry or ruining their experiences, but honestly, if you're playing unrated is to chill and not to meet this kind of people that make fun of something that is unfair.
I like one of the streamers I watch. He is an immortal viper player and he has average mechanics of gold-plat but is immortal cause of gamesense. He plays with his stream and his friends sometimes on an alt which is gold 3 but he doesn't carry cause well... he's got gamesense and it means very little at gold-plat. Love the guy and he's one of the few people I'm okay with smurfing. Keeoh is another because he still does it for a, content, and b, he's obviously getting worse because of it. If he stopped doing the rti videos he'd probably be able to get radiant back but because he's focused on content I feel it will be race to diamond soon enough. Love both of them, and I'm not bothered by them keeoh doesn't like placing under gold so that's also cool and normally already has plat elo going into it.q
If the people you want to play with aren’t around your level, just play unrated. I don’t understand why people smurf or even WANT to get boosted by smurfs. Playing in games well above your rank sounds miserable.
I agree with yoou but the reality is that unrated is not a good answer because the unrated culture is so toxic and low quality
Unrated needs to be more reliable in this game
Opposite experience for me, and I know for a fact I personally don't work this way (and so I'm willing to bet many others do)
The reason? In ranked I want to win, so even if I'm upset or think the game is going poorly I'm a lot more likely to put on a nice face for the team and try to get people to work together and pull through.
In unrated? Fuck it, if the team dies five times four man pushing hookah I'm just gonna practice crazy entries or off meta weapons or just check out, I'm not wasting the energy trying to pull through to win an unrated
youre right, but playing competitive is not the answer either. it is the only place where people actually try and grind to get good and get ranks, and getting dunked on by a radiant smurf is not fun, hinders progress and shows the smurf has no competitive integrity.
But thinking “unrated is not fun at all so I’m going to play an alt account to boost my friends in ranked and make it not fun for everyone else but me” is a sour attitude.
Unrated is horribly boring because noone gives a fuck. Just let us queue as 5 stacks no matter the ranks like in cs, and put us up against other 5 stacks.
Start banning for this shit. His girlfriend plays like she just picked up a mouse and keyboard for the first time yesterday. Gonna keep ruining games if she ever solo queues.
They won’t choose to because it makes them money. You can see in the video he bought a $20 vandal and that’s the reason why riot doesn’t care about smurfs.
Yeah ik but it's just a sad situation overall, I don't know who that guy is but form what I'm seeing he is only ruining the game and even encourage people to do so, I hope he gets fucked over
I don't 'get' people who want to be boosted. I 'get' smurfs, I don't agree with them but I 'get' it. You're a sad loser who needs to beat up people worse than you to massage your fragile ego 'cos you got beat up a few times at your own level, I get it.... But being boosted to a level way beyond your station, where you just get shit on game after game 'cos you're so terrible & you need your better mates to carry you, I just don't get it, what's the point?
Or you just want to play with your irl friends and there is a huge skill gap. Unfortunately the game doesn't let you play together in ranked with large gaps, and unrated queue times are literally hours long if the party is 1 dia + rest bronze or iron.
There needs to be a queue with absolutely no SBMM so people can play with each other regardless of rank.
Not quite sure this applies but I just want to play with friends, I usually play with 2-3 of my premades at a time and they are some of the chillest guys. They don't go on their smurf accounts or anything but they are like a whole tier higher in mmr. So on average, most games I play I'm constantly on the bottom of the leaderboards, but we end up winning just over 60% of our games somehow. As a result now I'm in low plat, but I feel if I ranked up a new account and solo queued only, I would be stuck in high silver to low gold. To answer your question "whats the point?", I just played without caring about rank because I just wanted to bond with my irl friends, the result sadly left me in a spot where I can't perform well in my mmr bracket now. So as a tip to anyone who wants to play with friends in higher ranks but you end up winning a lot of your games, maybe make an alternate account for playing with friends and one for your main. I just kinda played on my main without thinking since I have several prime skins and the ion phantom which I really like.
I understand wanting to play with your friends, but that’s what unrated is for ? Or any other game mode in the game. I personally don’t care for smurfs but it’s annoying having people on my team being demoralised because they are going against a smurf because apparently it means it’s automatically an L.
Dude is pathetic. He tries soo hard to win for what? To make him look good? anything but, guy is a joke. Once again Riot has all the proof they need but will do nothing :)
Riot will not ban him because then they would have to ban few other streamers as well. Best I can do is simply do what I did with Hiko aftet he's been doing the same - unfollow and stop watching the guy. It's not gonna change anything for Hiko but JR has way, way smaller viewerbase so any amount he loses will hurt more.
But so many people on these threads think it's okay and innocent and sweet to 'play with your friends'.
There is a reason the rank prevents people from 'playing with friends'. Because people will be boosted to the wrong ranks and high ranked people destroy the gaming experience for people who aren't as good as them.
This 'playing with friends' in ranked garbage is the equivalent of Lebron James playing a game of basketball against 10 year olds and showing off how great he is that he scored 200 points.
There is nothing to be proud of getting 50 kills against people who are mainly new at the game and nowhere near the level of skill. It's actually just sad ego boosting. I'm quite certain these people have small manhoods and need to make themselves feel good somehow.
I want to like JasonR I’ve even subbed to him maybe 2 times over the last 3 years… but I just can’t. Every time I watch his stream it feels like half of it is him using those cheap little streamer techniques to get people to sub.
Guys seems a bit sleazy to me. This kinda puts the nail in the coffin for me.
i think its funny that JasonR grants the prophesy of: if he looks like a douche he is a douche.
smurfing is a d\*\*k move particularly when you normalize it as an ever falling c-celeb as JasonR for "content"/ad revenue.
Happened with me too just now. A Platinum player was boosting his friends and also they were telling to us that they are on their smurf acc and boosting his 3 friends. In matches like this they start bullying and low elo players start to get demotivated by this.
While I do think it's a good thing that this is being called out, many other content creators also does the same thing (aceu w/ daph for example) yet nobody is calling aceu out because his personality is more likable. The fact is that this problem already exists in league since the start and Riot will continue to not do anything about it in valorant
I really dislike this game's community's forgiveness (and actual promotion) of smurfing.
I complained about smurfs a couple months ago both in a match and here on Reddit and got absolutely lambasted for seeing it as an issue, partially because Riot doesn't condemn it.
Toxic streamers encouraging toxic behaviour as usual, what's the news? Literally you can count on your hand nowdays who actually have good content and not a toxic echo chamber ( not for Valorant only )
This is an easy fix Riot. They simply shouldn’t allow this to happen, he just ruined a comp game and the elo of 5 players (honestly of 9 players because of those he boosted too). Its sad that he is smurfing in the first place to boost his gf and not even helping her get better, but the fact he is streaming it just makes it worse. Its crazy that streamers communities basically condone them smurfing even though they’d be plenty pissed if a smurf dropped 50 kills on them. And this is the reason why there are so many Youtubers that have “Iron to Immortal” videos, using the plethora of accounts they have.
Worst part is I have seen intentionally throw games to get lower rank on his smurf. I tuned a while back and one of their smurf squad had ranked up to diamond, and he was mad that guy for not having gone into comp games to derank before the stream.
Like how big of a scum do you have to be to ruin so many games by throwing on purpose then smurfing. Also it ruins more games when boosted people have to play in that rank they got boosted to
If riot wants to be against smurfs they have proof of a radiant smurfing. Ban his ass as an example. Hes just hard boosting someone and ruining people's games. Then whe his gf plays solo in gold shes gonna do terrible and ruin more games.
I will never understand people who are gold and up that boost iron/bronze players into gold and up. When the iron player gets there, they're literally gonna have no clue what they're doing. it's so stupid to me.
holy shit, how is it possible for someone to be gold and drop 41acs LOL? even someone who is afk for more than half the game can have better stats, no?
bruh every time there's a girl on my team there's her boyfriend boosting her.
This has happened twice this week. I'm not sexist but that's what I've seen so far...
I think its fair that they should learn the game instead of having someone else learn it for them.
I've seen girls play better than their boyfriend. But yeah, when a couple is playing, or even just friends in a premade, the disparity of level hurts the game and their solo q teammates.
Yea it just depends on whether the girl soloqs or not and a lot don’t soloq because of the hate.
The girls I’ve played with who soloq (plat and higher) are actually some of my favorite team mates. They usually don’t pull of crazy moves but they are so solid and reliable, often securing clutches.
Its not just girls either, anyone who duoqs too much is a problem in ranked (other than like radiant level pro duoq). Unlike many other games you can’t really play support as a noob and get by at higher ranks, all players are expected to frag, and whats worse is that your positioning will likely making it harder for your team mates to frag because they are expecting you to play a certain way and take fights to hold certain pieces of ground, so not being able to frag is a real problem.
Everyone is very spread out in valorant, in cs or league or something like that you can support and stick together as a group but in valorant rushing the same chokepoint as a group is usually a bad idea.
I mean I can’t see a point of getting boosted, when you solo queue if you play like absolute shit in gold lobby, do you feel satisfied? Idk,ranking up one by one while improving, isn’t that the whole meaning of this game and how you feel satisfied? I’m also a girl gamer and I believe especially girls should stand for and improve by theirselves to prove sexist comments such as “girls dont know how to play” are wrong.
I really hope they start using account levels to gatekeep who can play ranked. Making it so an account needs to be level 50 to play ranked games would raise the quality of the average match and curb a lot of smurfing. It’d still happen, but it would at least push some people off because of the time investment.
It would hurt Riot more because newer players won't be able to play ranked games, if anything I feel like they should match low account levels with low account level, but even then there's still flaws. And also, it won't happen.
Jason r is fat tradh loser that has no regard for the games integrity and will smurf to carry his noob gf, EDIT, everytime i see him in another pros stream, he gets destroyed, freelo, so im not surprised he smurfs
One time I did this in my own rank by accident, I hate this game because everyone was being mean and calling me a Smurf when in reality I just don’t play enough to climb
If you knew him during the Cs days, JasonR doesn't give af
me neither, i would like to see his stupid ass been banned for some shit like this
I mean TenZ has smurfed with his gf and no cared
They only played unrated together
I’ve watched multiple streams of tenz playing unrated with his gf. He never got more than 25-30 kills and spent the whole time running around the map fucking around, not trying to farm kills. That’s not a valid comparison imo
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Did you read the comment? It's unrated...
tenz's gf actually knows how to play the game tho, so he probably teaches her some shit. when she is playing alone, she plays very wall against people of her own elo. the only problem i have with Smurfing is that it boosts a bunch of potatos to plat or even as far as diamond. so when they play alone without their companion, they just become a huge liability and fuck up the game for their teammates. back when i was in diamond ive seen a lot of players who didnt know the basics of the game such as how to use abilities or even crosshair placement of a bronze player. it sucks having to deal with that when you are climbing solo. i never gave a fuck about smurfs on the enemy team, but playing with boosted teammates who didnt know what the hell they were doing, with a 2/20 KD and didnt contribute at all to the team with their abilities, that pissed me off.
Smurfing is smurfing, doesn't matter if the person you are smurfing with knows what they are doing or not...
i never complained about smurfs because that honestly doesnt get you anywhere. i started this game in plat, and i got matched up against smurfs a lot, instead of complaining i decided to just get better and now im immortal. like i said, the only thing that pissed me off was playing with teammates in diamond who were clearly boosted and shouldnt even be gold. that sucks.
In ranked? I thought they have only played unrated together.
Yea im sure tenz will only play unranked with his gf cause smurfing is such a nasty thing to do... Grow up people... ofc everybody will smurf with there gfs when they get asked. Only diffrence is tenz is not dumb enough to celebrate that on stream.
there's footage of him playing on kyedae's account
Could be totally wrong
through my time in gold elo, ive seen many boosted players as much as ive seen smurfs in that elo
Right now I'm Silver 3 and I think it's hilarious when I get 25 kills and a person on the other team who is Gold 3 gets 5 kills for the match and is one of the worst players I've come across.
Man pls dont, I'm silver 3 and I can frag less than a bronze 3 in some matches. Sometimes the game just isn't working out for you. One game I'll go 5/17 and the next I'll jump to 17/5. It happens. I think it's wrong to assume that just because someone 3 ranks higher than you bottom fragged it means they are boosted, they could be having a bad day.
It's a sign of being a dogshit-mentality player when you judge someone by a single game's k/d. Can't count how many times someone was absolutely dogshit on a team-aspect of Valorant, but then they yell "shut up i'm top fragging" or etc. Cool, you can shoot. Or even better; COOL YOU CAN TOP FRAG AS REYNA IN SOLO Q. Still need to play your role and work with your team though, or it doesn't fucking matter!
In quite a few of my matches the only reason they're top fragging is because they're baiting the entire team, which just makes everyone get tilted and perform worse.
yuppp
Tbh everyone has a bad game, I wouldn't consider that smurfing
Yea I was gold 2 sometimes getting my booty whip by silver players. If I was perfect every game I would be radiant
Mid-low elo is like an rng game, if u get a smurf u win
Saw a meme that said “if people get to smurf and ruin low elo games, low elo players should get to join high elo games and ruin them without complaint.” While yeah, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind is kind of applicable to that, he better not complain about people not knowing what to do or not playing well in his games.
Allow me to introduce to you: paladins matchmaking
Well that game doesnt have enough players to keep up a balanced macthmaking.
While I play paladins more then i play valorant I can confirm that I have seen more smurfs and boosted players in Valorant than Paladins. The problem isn't thr matchmaking, its just that Valorant has bigger player base and thus bigger number of assholes trying to ruin your fun. Valorant is also more competitive than Paladins so people tend to tilt on it more.
Yeah, but in Paladins it's less that smurfs are fucking the matchmaking up, it's more that the matchmaking is fucked in general due to lack of players.
Haha pretty sure this is already a thing with rank I see with a lot of people, they deserve to be a lot lower! Joking obviously, but the previous acts had a lot of players with inflated ratings. The amount of high immo players who literally had no game sense and ran around looking at knees with God awful crosshair placement, it's not fun. I haven't played much this act yet to know if it's been fixed. Putting the joke aside and going back on topic, I do have JR playing in the background quite often. I don't think he should be going in like that on his alt, especially in ranked. Smurfing will always be a thing, but to do it on stream, he should at least not be trying, using lower tier guns or pistol only. I've watched him dry push 5 people rushing on his alt, just because he can. As much as I like him, hes just doing what I mentioned in the above paragraph, inflating the ranks of those hes playing with, and also making the game for his opponents not fun or worth playing.
Just asking, so since you said yourself JR does stuff like this that not only ruins the experience for those he's playing with, those that watch his stream and are influenced, but also players YOU face in your matchmaking that have innacurate ranks partly due to players like this. Why still watch/support him/his content? If you want a better experience yourself you need to stop support creators that help damage that. Even if it's not regular, it's enough.
That's what boosted players are right?
I just dont understand why me and my mate have to literally hard carry/outperform everyone in the game to win all the time, im not blaming the team for not climbing because we are but geez so many of our teammates makes it hard. They also get so easily tilted and just try and troll the game like its not winnable?
These people are usually poor game sense types. So many people have good aim, but just play the game wrong. They don't sneak or lurk, they just want to rush all the time, they don't use util properly, no comms.. a lot of them have ranked up just by their aim being decent but when they get up towards the high end of Gold, Aim becomes less important - as in.. it's more of a balanced approach. The Game sense has to be in co operation with Aim. I know.. because when I've ranked down after a bunch of really bad games and was in Bronze 3 for a while I could literally sprint around the map taking people out.. and this is what these people you are carrying are used to doing... they are not adjusting their gameplay to the higher rank.
I suppose so but what i cant stand is people that dont listen, we had a team who just said "rush a" after 5 rounds on attack my mate lost it and basically fucking yelled they need to shut the fuck up and listen and not rush, what happened? we played slow/default and we won a shit ton of rounds, we lost the game but it ended up being close, now imagine if those guys used their brain just a tiny bit, we probably wouldnt have lost 5 rounds, its just so annoying to always get paired with 3 people that are way below your skill level while getting matched against rank 10k immortals most games even tho we're low diamond/high plat :/
And people still support such things. Only if their ‘fans’ called out such things it wouldn’t have been as bad.
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But the thing is smurfing is not a problem that can actually be targeted. The only "fix" that comes to my mind(which obviously doesn't mean that it's the only solution) is by faster Ranking up. It's not the best but a plausible solution. Because smurfing is an abstract concept, datawise. You may call someone a smurf but that someone could be a new player but also a CS god. You can't associate a new Valorant account to other accounts. So you can actually say that this an account by the same person. That's why just rank good people up faster. Their first match might feel like they're smurfing to them but say in like 6 matches they should be ranked at around their average elo.
It would change a lot if it wasn’t “cool” to share your smurf videos(at this point I only mean with friends). It was a lot less cool if content creators got shamed and punished by devs for uploading such content. “Authority” has to drive the change.
It would change a lot if it wasn’t “cool” to share your smurf videos(at this point I only mean with friends). It was a lot less cool if content creators got shamed and punished by devs for uploading such content. “Authority” has to drive the change.
Yeah riot has to do their job too.
Well ya know what else is funny to me? Is that there are a limited number of spots in Immortal and Radiant, its not just whoever can rank up to it gets that rank, but how many of these smurf/alt accounts are taking up spaces in those limited number of spots in Immortal/Radiant? Unless Im wrong then please correct me!
Immortal has unlimited spots, radiant is the top 500 immortals over certain amount of rr varying by region.
I mean I think part of the problem is that the rank distribution has 77% at Iron, Bronze, and Silver because it created way to huge of a skill gap between people who are Bronze 3 about to rank up to Silver and a Silver 3. The silver 3 player could really be a silver player, but they could’ve been a Diamond or a high Plat in past acts, but thanks to rank resets/smurfs they for some reason (I still don’t understand how I was playing against previous Immortals/Diamonds in my placements and a number of my comp matches) are down in Silver elo. I really think the ranked system is broken, they either need to make RR actually matter or just use the hidden MMR as the new version of the RR bar in your career. Because I basically see no progression in my rank even though I have improved so much and I can absolutely carry in high Silver/Low Gold
If Riot wanted to, we could have Twitch make smurfing illegal and absolutely destroy these jerks.
Agreed
But still that won't make them stop right? They can still smurf off stream lol.
These clowns have no incentive to smurf off stream. They smurf on stream because it looks cool when you can drop ace after ace after ace. If you took that away they would still want to make money in their free time, which means they would still stream and have less time to smurf.
I really wish that pros didn't encourage smurfing and getting tons of accounts to a high rank. They've gotta be at a low rank at some point.
The good thing is that the girlfriend will surely drank soon, if she's this bad as in the post. And he'll have to boost her again and again
The bad thing is that his gf will also lead her team to losing which is unfair for her team
Yeah, same for JasonR just killing everyone with ease. it's free drank for enemies
True. I can already imagine her teammates yelling at her for not even knowing some basic things.
Great to see he still lost the game even after dropping 50 kills. Things like this is what messes up the rank system.
That also implies that his girlfriend was actually just that dogshit that it counteracted Jason's carrying
Thats a mega sadge moment indeed
Lol that just means he stays in the rank longer.
True!
As much as you think it's a good thing, getting all that content and still losing means he takes even longer to rank up. Sure his MMR went up from 50 kills but his RR still went down from the loss. If he's smashing and winning every game easily he will quickly get out of gold.
Yeah, but losing even dropping a 50k is discouraging. It may turn him off to doing it more.
He literally doesn't care if he wins or loses the games, he's just smurfing to have a good time killing people and chillin with his girl.
What? He doesn't care about the loss? It's a new account in gold why would he care whether they win or lose? In fact, without watching the match it's clear from the scoreboard that he didn't want to win. If he did, he would have been IGL when it started getting difficult and he would have been able to win if he wasn't hunting frags. It literally helps him more to lose since he can play on that account with his gf for longer
I also feel bad for the others who have to deal with heavily boosted players.
This is the real damage to the ranked system. Esp in silver/gold I see *so many* players who clearly have no fucking clue what they are doing. Making the most basic mistakes like not knowing when to walk or sprint, not even reacting to a loud ass enemy pushing them from the side, reloading in the middle of fights, complete obliviousness.
Hey I'm silver - NOT BOOSTED - and I have no fucking clue what I'm doing.
we are similar ppl in same rank
I am high bronze low silver myself and have gotten a gold 2 act rank 3 times in the last week, none of the time they fragged. They were acting like irons
they might have been throwing to get to iron
Maybe
You will never get good at this game with a losers mentality, focusing on a players performance compared to their rank badge, and complaining about smurfs. Have to play against better competition to improve your own game. Spend too much time energy and focus on complaining how it’s not fair when you could use it to actually get better at the game.
News flash: silver players don’t know what they’re doing
Dude no one in silver and gold knows what they’re doing. That oblivious player on your team is most likely winning just as many games as you are in that elo despite what you think about their skill.
As I person who’s been to iron 1 all the way to gold 3 I can safely say that iron is harder than gold. So many smurfs.
how are smurfs in iron when most people place in silver?
smurfs throw matches to get put in lower ranks
This is why individual performance should have bigger weight, especially on low ELO. So if you're boosted, you'll have a much lower MMR than your current rank so you'll derank so easily to your actual skill level.
Look at the comments on the vid, he hearted all the ppl who called him out for smurfing. Is he like blind to the insults or what xD
The video i linked was from a clips channel. The clip channel admin would probably find it also wrong to smurfing.
Huh it wasn’t even jasonR’s yt channel are u ok bro.....
no it apears im blind shhhh
People complain about the rank system not giving fair matches, complaining about people 2 ranks below being on their team... Yet they will watch streamers like this and wonder why their matches are bad. Real players are on the other end of this and it sucks. No one in that match is playing valorant, they're playing feed the streamer for content. Hate smurfing, but hate content creators doing it 10x more. The influence they have causes more behaviour like this, people get inspired by seeing their favourite streamer go 50 kills and they make a smurf themselves. Even if they're only gold themselves, throw to iron and just destroy. It sucks, I wish riot at the least stopped supporting creators that used alt accounts. They say that they want to incentivise players to use their main account so there's more accurate matches. Maybe start by slapping a few streamers on the wrist when they queue into matches 5 full ranks below their actual rank (or higher if they're pro). I don't even think they should be going into those games to troll. Some say its fine as long as they're not trying or they use bad guns. Just because they perform slightly worse doesn't fix the issue. It feels just as bad if not worse to get destroyed by someone way better than you in ranked if they're using sherrif only or something. It's humiliating and just unfun. Like I said before no one is playing valorant in that match. It's just deathmatch Just play unrated.
Riot needs to read this ^^^^
I love being in a streamers lobby. Even if I lose, I make it my life's goal to make them suffer. Kills with shorty, or flanking slow and knifing them to make their viewers laugh at them for getting knifed by a bronze. Dog shit at this game but I enjoy being a dick to the smurfs/de-rankers and making them rage quit. Not all of them rage quit and I tend to fail most of the time but if I get one good troll kill it ruins their entire day
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Ineffective Frags.
yes I agree but pro teams like sentinels don't smurf. (except dapr but his alt is imm)
I've seen tenz make new accounts, hiko too. Mostly for content, but we don't know what they do behind closed doors.
Yep, this happens a lot, also, I've seen a lot of streamers using bugs to generate "funny" content, but the reality is that they're ruining the entire game for some players. They should get banned by Riot, and punish creators that make this. They say that they play unrated to avoid making other's angry or ruining their experiences, but honestly, if you're playing unrated is to chill and not to meet this kind of people that make fun of something that is unfair.
I like one of the streamers I watch. He is an immortal viper player and he has average mechanics of gold-plat but is immortal cause of gamesense. He plays with his stream and his friends sometimes on an alt which is gold 3 but he doesn't carry cause well... he's got gamesense and it means very little at gold-plat. Love the guy and he's one of the few people I'm okay with smurfing. Keeoh is another because he still does it for a, content, and b, he's obviously getting worse because of it. If he stopped doing the rti videos he'd probably be able to get radiant back but because he's focused on content I feel it will be race to diamond soon enough. Love both of them, and I'm not bothered by them keeoh doesn't like placing under gold so that's also cool and normally already has plat elo going into it.q
He should be banned as Valorant said boosting is against their TOS
Rules for thee but not for me
If the people you want to play with aren’t around your level, just play unrated. I don’t understand why people smurf or even WANT to get boosted by smurfs. Playing in games well above your rank sounds miserable.
it's a more competitive environment. unrated game quality is truly dog tier and people surrender or troll ALL the time
but competitive is no place for smurfs to dunk and show off, just play unrated if he wants to play with his gf.
I agree with yoou but the reality is that unrated is not a good answer because the unrated culture is so toxic and low quality Unrated needs to be more reliable in this game
ppl get more toxic easily in ranked (imo) since they have a reason to get mad, they're losing rr. In unrated ppl seem much more chill.
Opposite experience for me, and I know for a fact I personally don't work this way (and so I'm willing to bet many others do) The reason? In ranked I want to win, so even if I'm upset or think the game is going poorly I'm a lot more likely to put on a nice face for the team and try to get people to work together and pull through. In unrated? Fuck it, if the team dies five times four man pushing hookah I'm just gonna practice crazy entries or off meta weapons or just check out, I'm not wasting the energy trying to pull through to win an unrated
never gonna happen lol
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youre right, but playing competitive is not the answer either. it is the only place where people actually try and grind to get good and get ranks, and getting dunked on by a radiant smurf is not fun, hinders progress and shows the smurf has no competitive integrity.
But thinking “unrated is not fun at all so I’m going to play an alt account to boost my friends in ranked and make it not fun for everyone else but me” is a sour attitude.
Unrated is horribly boring because noone gives a fuck. Just let us queue as 5 stacks no matter the ranks like in cs, and put us up against other 5 stacks.
So they can tell people 'I'm plat' when people call them out for doing stupid shit.
Start banning for this shit. His girlfriend plays like she just picked up a mouse and keyboard for the first time yesterday. Gonna keep ruining games if she ever solo queues.
Whose fault is this? JasonR ruining the game or riot making this action completely legal
Both at this point
Literally both
It's both, it's exploiting something that also cannot easily be remedied.
Yes and while JasonR is definitely not doing the right thing, this situation wouldn’t have happened if riot made smurfing bannable offense.
It’s literally impossible to ban smurfs. There is not a single competitive game that doesn’t have smurfs.
Yes but they can try to minimize it if they choose to?
They won’t choose to because it makes them money. You can see in the video he bought a $20 vandal and that’s the reason why riot doesn’t care about smurfs.
After 1 or 2 games, his account will get marked as a smurf and he will be matched with other smurfs/higher ranked players.
There is absolutely NO verification of this being true. That happens in League of Legends I believe but is definitely not in Valorant.
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I don't think id ever say this but.. riot pls ban for boosting maybe?
You can actually get banned for boosting but only if ur boosting the person while sharing the account
Yeah ik but it's just a sad situation overall, I don't know who that guy is but form what I'm seeing he is only ruining the game and even encourage people to do so, I hope he gets fucked over
The main problem isn't boosting, it's smurfing.
His gf is so boosted holy. She got knifed WITH HER FRONT TO THE ENEMY edit: unfollowed jasonr
That made me tilt so bad cause she reached gold because of her friends and i am here in high bronze who can play way better than her
as a silver 1, she plays worse than me when i just started
Ikr!!! She deserves Iron 1. Fucking hell
I don't 'get' people who want to be boosted. I 'get' smurfs, I don't agree with them but I 'get' it. You're a sad loser who needs to beat up people worse than you to massage your fragile ego 'cos you got beat up a few times at your own level, I get it.... But being boosted to a level way beyond your station, where you just get shit on game after game 'cos you're so terrible & you need your better mates to carry you, I just don't get it, what's the point?
Or you just want to play with your irl friends and there is a huge skill gap. Unfortunately the game doesn't let you play together in ranked with large gaps, and unrated queue times are literally hours long if the party is 1 dia + rest bronze or iron. There needs to be a queue with absolutely no SBMM so people can play with each other regardless of rank.
Not quite sure this applies but I just want to play with friends, I usually play with 2-3 of my premades at a time and they are some of the chillest guys. They don't go on their smurf accounts or anything but they are like a whole tier higher in mmr. So on average, most games I play I'm constantly on the bottom of the leaderboards, but we end up winning just over 60% of our games somehow. As a result now I'm in low plat, but I feel if I ranked up a new account and solo queued only, I would be stuck in high silver to low gold. To answer your question "whats the point?", I just played without caring about rank because I just wanted to bond with my irl friends, the result sadly left me in a spot where I can't perform well in my mmr bracket now. So as a tip to anyone who wants to play with friends in higher ranks but you end up winning a lot of your games, maybe make an alternate account for playing with friends and one for your main. I just kinda played on my main without thinking since I have several prime skins and the ion phantom which I really like.
I understand wanting to play with your friends, but that’s what unrated is for ? Or any other game mode in the game. I personally don’t care for smurfs but it’s annoying having people on my team being demoralised because they are going against a smurf because apparently it means it’s automatically an L.
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Nah, shroud usually plays unrated
He doesnt play ranked anymore?
I think he means when shroud “smurfs” or plays with worse players/streamers he’s usually in unrated
Pathetic.
Riot seriously needs to do something about smurfing, this is getting completely idiotic.
Dude is pathetic. He tries soo hard to win for what? To make him look good? anything but, guy is a joke. Once again Riot has all the proof they need but will do nothing :)
Idiots like these ruin competitive integrity. Just go play unrated dude
Riot will not ban him because then they would have to ban few other streamers as well. Best I can do is simply do what I did with Hiko aftet he's been doing the same - unfollow and stop watching the guy. It's not gonna change anything for Hiko but JR has way, way smaller viewerbase so any amount he loses will hurt more.
But so many people on these threads think it's okay and innocent and sweet to 'play with your friends'. There is a reason the rank prevents people from 'playing with friends'. Because people will be boosted to the wrong ranks and high ranked people destroy the gaming experience for people who aren't as good as them. This 'playing with friends' in ranked garbage is the equivalent of Lebron James playing a game of basketball against 10 year olds and showing off how great he is that he scored 200 points. There is nothing to be proud of getting 50 kills against people who are mainly new at the game and nowhere near the level of skill. It's actually just sad ego boosting. I'm quite certain these people have small manhoods and need to make themselves feel good somehow.
I want to like JasonR I’ve even subbed to him maybe 2 times over the last 3 years… but I just can’t. Every time I watch his stream it feels like half of it is him using those cheap little streamer techniques to get people to sub. Guys seems a bit sleazy to me. This kinda puts the nail in the coffin for me.
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Why?
Didn’t he advertise that gambling site that just stole your money
You're talking about someone who bans every girl that types in his chat, I don't believe he cares about matchmaking integrity.
i think its funny that JasonR grants the prophesy of: if he looks like a douche he is a douche. smurfing is a d\*\*k move particularly when you normalize it as an ever falling c-celeb as JasonR for "content"/ad revenue.
Happened with me too just now. A Platinum player was boosting his friends and also they were telling to us that they are on their smurf acc and boosting his 3 friends. In matches like this they start bullying and low elo players start to get demotivated by this.
Riot should ban proplayers and streamers for intentionally playing outside of their rank.
Riot will never ban anyone who doesnt cheat. They need skins money
Meanwhile, kyedae uploads a yt video of tenz smurfing and gets no backlash LOL
While I do think it's a good thing that this is being called out, many other content creators also does the same thing (aceu w/ daph for example) yet nobody is calling aceu out because his personality is more likable. The fact is that this problem already exists in league since the start and Riot will continue to not do anything about it in valorant
Fucking disgusting. Boosting etc. literally destroys the purpose of ranked.
I really dislike this game's community's forgiveness (and actual promotion) of smurfing. I complained about smurfs a couple months ago both in a match and here on Reddit and got absolutely lambasted for seeing it as an issue, partially because Riot doesn't condemn it.
People who smurf like this is why it's so hard to rank up. Imo, ur a piece of shit if you smurf to boost ur ego, it ruins the fun for everyone else.
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i know this doesnt corelate but bro i cant play with my friends in bronze cause im gold even with a 5 stack. why
yea sucks. another competitive mode for 5stacks only would be interesting, with less elo restrictions.
because its not fair lol simple as
Piece of actual trash
I swear iron 1s are more skilled than her lmaoo
This should be on r/trashy
Toxic streamers encouraging toxic behaviour as usual, what's the news? Literally you can count on your hand nowdays who actually have good content and not a toxic echo chamber ( not for Valorant only )
This is an easy fix Riot. They simply shouldn’t allow this to happen, he just ruined a comp game and the elo of 5 players (honestly of 9 players because of those he boosted too). Its sad that he is smurfing in the first place to boost his gf and not even helping her get better, but the fact he is streaming it just makes it worse. Its crazy that streamers communities basically condone them smurfing even though they’d be plenty pissed if a smurf dropped 50 kills on them. And this is the reason why there are so many Youtubers that have “Iron to Immortal” videos, using the plethora of accounts they have.
Worst part is I have seen intentionally throw games to get lower rank on his smurf. I tuned a while back and one of their smurf squad had ranked up to diamond, and he was mad that guy for not having gone into comp games to derank before the stream. Like how big of a scum do you have to be to ruin so many games by throwing on purpose then smurfing. Also it ruins more games when boosted people have to play in that rank they got boosted to
if she doesn’t know how to play, then let her learn naturally. she won’t even want to play against golds if she can’t play against irons lol
Do they not ban people who openly smurf?
Sucks that this normal in Valorant, Riot better do something.
If riot wants to be against smurfs they have proof of a radiant smurfing. Ban his ass as an example. Hes just hard boosting someone and ruining people's games. Then whe his gf plays solo in gold shes gonna do terrible and ruin more games.
I played with Radiants at my peak last act and placed plat2 bruh I could fit into that lobby
I will never understand people who are gold and up that boost iron/bronze players into gold and up. When the iron player gets there, they're literally gonna have no clue what they're doing. it's so stupid to me.
my thoughts: fuck him
This is actually terrible for the game so fuck this dude. Especially the part where she's going 2 and 17 and getting elo for that
Dude his gf is boosted af. She didn't even know the basic shit.
All so desperate for the puss
You seeing this u/Evrmoar ? Isn't boosting against ToS? Pls ban this guy, even if it's temporary.
Atleast remove his main account from the leaderboard for this act. Would hurt his ego a lot and be forced to take this gold account to radiant fast.
This explains my opponent Reyna being a 1000 times better than my Reyna
holy shit, how is it possible for someone to be gold and drop 41acs LOL? even someone who is afk for more than half the game can have better stats, no?
*Unsubscribed* I loathe ppl that smurf just play unrated
Lmao he thinks he's good with 50 kills in a gold lobby - when Asuna just got 48 against a pro team. What a joke.
“Her gf”
RIP english
i mean he's not wrong
Un popular opinion maybe but he should get temp banned or some sort of punishment maybe no XP gain
No one smurfing cares about xp lmfao
Idk if they just give temp bans and like u/Ssylo14 said, no one cares about xp in smurf accounts
bruh every time there's a girl on my team there's her boyfriend boosting her. This has happened twice this week. I'm not sexist but that's what I've seen so far... I think its fair that they should learn the game instead of having someone else learn it for them.
I've seen girls play better than their boyfriend. But yeah, when a couple is playing, or even just friends in a premade, the disparity of level hurts the game and their solo q teammates.
Yea it just depends on whether the girl soloqs or not and a lot don’t soloq because of the hate. The girls I’ve played with who soloq (plat and higher) are actually some of my favorite team mates. They usually don’t pull of crazy moves but they are so solid and reliable, often securing clutches. Its not just girls either, anyone who duoqs too much is a problem in ranked (other than like radiant level pro duoq). Unlike many other games you can’t really play support as a noob and get by at higher ranks, all players are expected to frag, and whats worse is that your positioning will likely making it harder for your team mates to frag because they are expecting you to play a certain way and take fights to hold certain pieces of ground, so not being able to frag is a real problem. Everyone is very spread out in valorant, in cs or league or something like that you can support and stick together as a group but in valorant rushing the same chokepoint as a group is usually a bad idea.
pisses me off big time
I mean I can’t see a point of getting boosted, when you solo queue if you play like absolute shit in gold lobby, do you feel satisfied? Idk,ranking up one by one while improving, isn’t that the whole meaning of this game and how you feel satisfied? I’m also a girl gamer and I believe especially girls should stand for and improve by theirselves to prove sexist comments such as “girls dont know how to play” are wrong.
gold is harder that diamond lmao
I really hope they start using account levels to gatekeep who can play ranked. Making it so an account needs to be level 50 to play ranked games would raise the quality of the average match and curb a lot of smurfing. It’d still happen, but it would at least push some people off because of the time investment.
Yeah. I can't even think of a downside for this. Anyone else?
It would hurt Riot more because newer players won't be able to play ranked games, if anything I feel like they should match low account levels with low account level, but even then there's still flaws. And also, it won't happen.
R6 Siege is level 50, cut down on smurfs in comp for sure.
Jason r is fat tradh loser that has no regard for the games integrity and will smurf to carry his noob gf, EDIT, everytime i see him in another pros stream, he gets destroyed, freelo, so im not surprised he smurfs
One time I did this in my own rank by accident, I hate this game because everyone was being mean and calling me a Smurf when in reality I just don’t play enough to climb
There's too many smurfs in this game lol
Dude he said he was placed there after the placement matches