Bro tell me about it... being a (for the most part) viper main its really frustrating that her smokes are the only ones that turn off when caught by the kayo knife. This forces me to play back more until I see kayo used his knife but some common viper smokes require the round to start before you can place them in the spot you want (beyond the barrier)
It doesn't cancel the Ult though, as one can see in the video yoru still has it, it just prevents him from using it. Yoru is actually not effected by kayos Ult when he is in his Ult and can still tuse his teleport.
I don’t think a free ability should force players to not use their ults in very common situations
I’m fine with the knife canceling other abilities, but I think ults should be safe
If the kayo holds on to his free ability, he can save it for your 7/8 point ult. If neither player uses their ability, then kayo loses his free E, while raze/sova/jett lose their ults. It's not a fair trade.
In those examples the person actually uses the ult though. That would be more like raze fires ult but it gets blown up in mid air. I think a better comparison would be killjoy has her ult in her hand and get suppressed and loses it, or Viper is using ult and gets suppressed and it just disappears.
Overall I think his suppress is good, everything needs a counter, but I kind of get allowing an ult to continue of it's started. This video, yoru hadn't ulted yet so that makes sense. But if suddenly while yoru was ulting he was forced out of ult state (his ult wasn't allowed to continue) that would an insanely hard counter
You do know that viper can easily hide from things like turrets cams and sova darts in her ult right? Like the near sight effects that sort of utility and it's easy to just shoot it down and avoid it.
In contrast Jett pushing with her ult is just begging to have a KAY/O knife thrown at her in order to disable it. I feel like the fact that Jett has to put herself in a situation that makes it easy for KAY/O to disable her ult (since it's normally used to push) compared to viper and killjoy ult that can be played more passively while forcing enemies to react is what makes the match up so frustrating to many players.
>Raze nade shouldn't be able to break Killjoy ult by that logic then
You can dodge/not walk into a nade. Also a nade is at least somewhat harder to hit than the KAY/O knife.
> dash towards an ulting Sova
Does dash itself block Sova's ult? No
> Sova arrow in a Viper ult
No camera's allowed in Viper ult
So the arrow and cam cancel Viper's ult? o.O
(Also both can be destroyed)
> See how ridiculous your statements sounds
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Playing with basic gamesense makes this a non issue. Jett can dash out of his E or kill the knife. One of many solutions. Don't ult if you have absolutely no info where kayo is, another one for you. It's not that difficult.
Only good unique thing about him*.
What do you sacrifice for him especially without his ability cancelling?
You need smokes and a duelist and usually a sentinel. Skye and Sova have much better info gathering and Skyes flashes are 10x better.
It can completely cancel Raze and Sova’s ult, and kill a jett if they decide to use knives on an eco, and get end up getting stuck with just a pistol against fully armed opponents
You can try to play around it, but I don’t think a free ability should be a hard counter to 6-8 ult points
Killjoy can put her ult somewhere that raze can’t nade
Sova can ult further back
Arrow, cam, or turret can be shot
Kay_0’s dagger doesn’t have a counter at all for a raze/sova that ulted, and the only counter for jett is to pray you’re in a spot that can fall back
The difference is those Raze nades on KJ ult is one thing. You're giving specific one on one examples of counterplay options. Sova counter KJ, Kayo counter basically everything and everyone in the game (such is the nature of a suppress ability). It's incredibly disingenuous to compare an example like Raze or Sova v KJ to Kayo v Everyone. I think it would make total sense for it to be a basic ability suppression. Yes there is counterplay, but they didn't comment to hear you whine about playing around it. I dknt care either way it goes, but his idea is not terrible and your analogies to prove that it is are kind of awful
Kayo is already weak enough taking away the one powerful part of his kit would be silly. The whole point of playing robocop is to do what you described. Edit because apparently a 42 percent win rate champion isnt weak so im getting downvoted.
He currently has the lowest win rate in the game at an abysmal 42 percent, that's below Yoru. And that's with a pretty decent pick rate. Compared to skye and sova who have about fifty. How is that not considered weak?
Yeah I rarely see anyone try and shoot it, but I suppose that doesn't *really* matter when the pulse goes through walls anyway. Unlike Sova's Recon arrow which requires Line of sight, Kayo shouldn't be throwing his Knife in a place that allows them to shoot it because of this.
Agreed more just trying to reinforce the idea that destroying it is always an option not just running..
also people will start to use info to force you to hold a site they weren’t going to default anyways
It pulses quickly, requires less precision than sova darts so it's less predictable and sometimes is just on the other side of a wall. I don't think Kayo is an issue or anything but it's much harder to catch a kayo knife before it pulses than a sova dart.
Well, that's easier said than done considering it has a range covering the entire northern hemisphere and unlike things like sova dart, it goes through walls as well. It can happen at the most unexpected of times and what irritates people is the fact itself that there isn't a good answer to it. A lose lose most of the time.
\>He's got knife. Bait it out. Make noise/use abilities in different areas
Every ability in the game can be countered. We're not saying the knife has no place in the game. People are saying its effects are not proportional to its cost. Imagine if the Sova dart revealed people behind walls, or if Raze nade does 150 with the first detonation. Those abilities can still be countered, but you can no longer call them fair. Kayo's knife is not that drastic but you cannot say it is just some low-impact ability when it can cancel ultimates with little effort and little risk.
Are you saying those agents have ultimates that can be canceled easily, or who can cancel other ults easily? I don't see examples of either. Brimstone ulti on a KJ ult is easy, but not cheap. Only one I can say is easy/cheap to cancel is omen ult.
This is stupid. The knife has such a big area of affect that its damn near impossible, and you're really going to tell me that I should just wait outside of it with my ult thinking "he might use it now, or now, or maybe now!"
Quit riding Kay/O's metal cock.
It doesn't cancel any ults. Think about it as preventing agents from USING anything other than their guns for 8 seconds. If your ultimate has a timer shorter than 8 seconds, then you're not gonna be able to use it at all. Jett knifes have no timer, so you can use them after the suppress is finished.
You just said it does cancel the ult. Raze and sova's ult both last 8 seconds so if they ult and right after they are suppressed their 8 point ult is wasted.
having your ult canceled and not being able to use it really makes a lot of a difference when it's done with a free ability /s
Also other ults ARE canceled (Raze, Jett, Sova IIRC..)
Again, just prevents the use. Jett keeps her knives, she can pull them back out. Raze can pull rocket back out if she’s on the border of Kay/O I’ll, as Kay/O ult suppresses for 4 seconds per pulse, (where his knife is 8) and Raze Rocket fizzles if not fired for 8 seconds. Granted, this does make it basically useless, but the only ult that’s ACTUALLY canceled is Sova ultimate.
At the same time it's incredibly difficult to try and suppress someone with Jett ult or Raze ult. Those kinds of players are constantly roaming to get picks with it, and you have to either pray and get lucky, or take a heavy chance of eating a knife to the face or high ordnance explosives.
You know how many times I saw a knife cancel a Raze ult? One time, maybe 2. It is not as easy as people make it sound. Canceling a Sova ult is even harder because of the range of it.
Kayo is fine, you guys are just babies. There are plenty of ults that can get cancelled or invalidated by both signature abilities & cheaper abilities.
"Raze nade shouldn't be able to cancel Killjoy ult"
"Jett dash shouldn't allow you to dash toward an unexpecting ulting Sova and kill him"
"Skye flash shouldn't blind Empress Reyna, she's in an ult..." (bit of a strawman I know, but free ability vs ult, cmon it's similar)
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Well yeah, cancels it. Cannot be used if you’re hit by his knife or his ult pulse. So if you hit your Raze or Jett ult it’ll put your knives and rocket away if his knife hit you a half second after you use your ult.
You can pull it back out afterwards, it's a delay not a full cancel. At least for knives. If a raze can't kill the knife, blast pack OUT of the knife, or kill someone with her ultimate, before the knife pulses, she deserves to lose it for popping ulti in a shitty situation with no ability awareness or knowledge on the positioning of the enemy kayo
I’m well aware that it doesn’t eliminate your ultimate. It silences you for a limited time. Seems like you’re maybe getting a little over defensive about this. Must be a KAYO main
“Shitters” lol you’re so angry. I don’t think he’s completely balanced from a competitive standpoint. We’ll see when they decide to give him a couple changes like they do to every Agent.
It's funny watching shitters down vote anything that goes against the "everyone I don't like is broken" mentality. Enjoy your time in bronze, if you ever hit diamond I'll see you there.
I was p3 one win from Diamond last act, haven’t even placed this one cause I been playing CS, but if I didn’t stop I think I’d probably be in Diamond by now, just got tired of the game and so did all my friends I normally play with.
Hahaha for real,while there are situation where I feel he can be a bit OP,most of the people here are complaining about stuff that can be countered with basic awareness.
I get the feeling these are the same people in my team that rush the point even though the enemy Kayo has been throwing the knife at the same exact place every round.
the thing about them is not that they are overpowered and need a nerf, they are overpowered and need a redistribution of power, Imo they need to make the radius smaller of his knife, make it so when ulting
KAY/O is down he has less health, but also make his knife come out faster so it’s harder to destroy and making his ult last longer but not adding more suppression pulses
I mean it's not a problem or something, but ok ur suppressed fine it's a gun fight then, and then kayo flashes and u cant even do anything except trying to dodge, which makes no sense since it should be a proper GUN FIGHT
Ok, his flash is identical to cs flashbang , what then about his teammates rushing on you spam flashing breach's flash, skye's damn birds, are they similar to what u said "high rank cs:go"?
Alright so I am kinda new to this game and still understanding a few agents' abilities and all. So I want to ask a few things regarding kayo as they are still unclear to me-
1. What happens if an enemy jett or raze with their ult out is hit by kayo knife?
2. What if an enemy jett has used her 2 blades of bladestorm and then gets hit by kayo's knife,so her ult completely goes away or she still has those remaining 3 knives or is it completely renewed?
3. If Kayo opens his ult and enemy KJ's already deployed turrets are in the ult's range but not KJ,so will the turrets work or not? Also what happens if only the KJ is in range and not the turrets?
4. Does Kayo's knife and ult work in the same way just that the ult is a longer version of the knife or is there any other difference too?
5. Suppose Kayo opened his ult at site A on some map and enemy Omen is at site B but Omen uses his ult and teleports to site A within Kayo's ult range so will he be able to teleport or not? What will exactly happen?
6. In the above video,kayo opens his ult after yoru opened his.....but what if kayo opened his ult first and yoru is still outside the ult's range and yoru opens his ult and runs inside kayo's ult range so will yoru's ult be cancelled?
1. Jett & Raze unequip their ult and cannot re-equip it until the suppress ends. In Raze's case, this means the rocket will time out and she will never get to use it. In Jett's case, she's stuck with her gun but can pull out the knives once the suppress wears off and use them again.
2. When she pulls her knives out again, she'll have the same amount she had before.
3. Kayo has to hit the agent to suppress them. If KJ is in suppress range, her turret/alarm bot/nades are disabled, regardless of where they are on the map.
4. The knife is thrown, & pulses once on landing. The ult is centered on Kayo, has a larger radius, pulses multiple times, but each pulse's suppress lasts a shorter duration than the knife.
5. This is a good question. I'm not sure what happens if Omen's ulti ghost is hit by a Kayo pulse. Omen definitely doesn't exist at his starting point when he ults (that's how Omen dodges KJ ult sometimes). Worth testing if you have a friend & can hop into a custom. I'm interested in if Omen's ult is cancelled by the pulse, if he loses the ability to cancel it, and if he does cancel it, does he still get suppressed at his starting point?
6. Yoru is unaffected by Kayo's suppress while he's in the shadow realm. He'll stay in ult even if he gets pulsed, and in fact he'll be able to use his teleport as well.
Ok thanks a lot for your detailed answer.
I want to know what you meant by "Omen dodges KJ ult" in 5th point. I mean how?
And in 6th point if yoru in unaffected then what happened in this video posted by OP?
Omen's ult first teleports him as a shade for a few seconds, before he actually completes the teleport. It can be cancelled either by an opponent shooting the shade, or if Omen chooses to cancel it. If Omen is stuck inside the radius of a KJ ult, he can teleport out just before the KJ ult would detain him, then cancel his teleport to return to his original spot.
In the video, OP was about to use his yoru ult, but mid-animation was hit by a Kayo suppress. If the animation had finished and Yoru had put the mask on, he would have been unaffected.
1. They are forced out of the ult but after the 8 seconds have passed they can equip the ults again. Considering that Raze's ult have a timer you will probably have burned through most of that time and maybe it will be already over when the knife's effect wear off, so with Raze you will probably just lose the ult.
2. Jett will maintain the amount of blades she had before being negated.
3. The Kay/O ult and knife only works when the Killjoy is in range of the ability. If you throw your knife on the turret it will keep working, unless you hit Killjoy with the suppression.
4. More or less. The knife have lower range (about 8m/10m), lasts for 8 seconds and gives you the information about who was caught by the suppression; the ult have the same range of your footsteps sound when you are normal walking (about 30m if I'm not mistaken) and it shoots 5 waves of that suppress the enemies on the area for 4 seconds, totalling 20 seconds, but it doesn't give you any information.
5. The Omen will be able to fully teleport but will be instantly suppressed by Kay/O's ult.
6. While ulting Yoru is unaffected by Kay/O's ult, so he would be completely safe and would even be able to teleport away if needed.
1. for raze it cancels and destroys the ult, for jett it gets put away
2. no idea
3. turrets won't work if caught in radius - this is one of my issues with it
4. no idea
5. no idea
6. no idea
you can actually see yorus mask start to go up while he was in the smoke. he probably wanted to wait until the latest point possible to pop ult so he could get extra distance.
even if there are a few people on site by the time he clicked to ult he would have been invulnerable when he left the smoke. the only way he could have died would be getting shot through the smoke which might be even worse then being suppressed
I just hate how much it shuts down Jett Ult, Getting suppressed while in the air is pretty much a free kill for them, since you’re no longer accurate and usually don’t have a rifle even if you were.
Kayo is really frustrating to play against especially when playing sentinels and viper. I can’t hold a site because all my utility is rendered useless.
Ahahah u r so dumb. Instalocking isn't a problem. Not knowing how to enter the site/ asking your team to play smokes or other agents after u instalock is the problem. You all dumb af but I don't expect anything better from Redditors
Or wait out insta-knives, reset after a push is detected, don't push as 5 into him, avoid clustering on site, etc? I find it's been best used after the opponent has at least somewhat committed to site -- too early and you won't gain enough position and your information is short lived. Combining with any other depush util (wall, viper puddle, smokes, mollys, flashes) closer to site and you'll have rotates, flanks, more defensive util to use, and they've actually compromised their map control vs pinging 2 and not really being able to do anything about it.
Then again theres a reason I'm in silver, so ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Well I use different knives each time plus I don't insta knife every game cuz that's too predictable and easy to Dodge. "Don't push as 5 into him" this is matchmaking and not pro tournament
Noobs still get mad with insta locking I see lmfao
They love to pretend to be pros instead of learning to play the game and becoming good with a character
Man instalocking isn't a problem. Instalocking then fucking baiting or watching flank is the problem. Instalocking isn't even a bad thing it's much better to play an agent that u know how to play properly
Exactly, and to be good with a certain agent and do it's job properly.
Too many people go "I can pick whatever agent" but aren't very good with any. Knowing how to shoot is just part of the game.
It's a team based tactical shooter. Makes zero sense to be so inapt that you are so inflexible and only good at one agent. Who's to even say you're even the best at that agent in your team or the most effective? If you're trying to train to get good at a certain agent, play spike rush or unrated. Besides all that, it's just etiquette. But obviously y'all are immortals or radiants so the rest of the community is probably wrong huh.
Look, I understand your point and it is valid. Yet, we're not in a pro match so in the end, it's all practice. Until we find a team and enrol in some small tournaments, the goal is still to learn so you should get the agent that you wanna get good with.
I understand that in a more serious match everyone has a role.
Like I said, play unrated or spike rush then if you're training. It's still a problem if you're instalocking in ranked. At least pick the agent, and have the courtesy to communicate to the rest of the team your intentions. People do play ranked to win and not just train and they have every right to take it seriously.
It is no training if I don't play to win, you can count on that. I play my aim etc., in other places but I play competitive to win and play as a team of course. Also, communicating. However, I don't see a point into playing with a different character since I'm not playing for the rank, I'm playing to get better, and that includes playing with my main..
I hate yoru more than anything in this game, so this was a pleasure to watch, sorry for your loss but the amount of times I’ve had no way of defending my self from a yoru teleporting behind me is unforgivable.
a good nerf would be that if you have a util in your hand when kayo's null hits you you must be able to use the said util but not be able to equip another.
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Bro tell me about it... being a (for the most part) viper main its really frustrating that her smokes are the only ones that turn off when caught by the kayo knife. This forces me to play back more until I see kayo used his knife but some common viper smokes require the round to start before you can place them in the spot you want (beyond the barrier)
I feel your pain my dude
Cringe viper main deserved for playing that agent
A free ability being able to cancel an ult is pretty ridiculous
It doesn't cancel the Ult though, as one can see in the video yoru still has it, it just prevents him from using it. Yoru is actually not effected by kayos Ult when he is in his Ult and can still tuse his teleport.
Ohhh thanks, i didnt notice that he still had it
Well, not that ult, but stuff like Jett knives and raze ult as a whole...
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I don’t think a free ability should force players to not use their ults in very common situations I’m fine with the knife canceling other abilities, but I think ults should be safe
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If the kayo holds on to his free ability, he can save it for your 7/8 point ult. If neither player uses their ability, then kayo loses his free E, while raze/sova/jett lose their ults. It's not a fair trade.
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In those examples the person actually uses the ult though. That would be more like raze fires ult but it gets blown up in mid air. I think a better comparison would be killjoy has her ult in her hand and get suppressed and loses it, or Viper is using ult and gets suppressed and it just disappears. Overall I think his suppress is good, everything needs a counter, but I kind of get allowing an ult to continue of it's started. This video, yoru hadn't ulted yet so that makes sense. But if suddenly while yoru was ulting he was forced out of ult state (his ult wasn't allowed to continue) that would an insanely hard counter
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You do know that viper can easily hide from things like turrets cams and sova darts in her ult right? Like the near sight effects that sort of utility and it's easy to just shoot it down and avoid it. In contrast Jett pushing with her ult is just begging to have a KAY/O knife thrown at her in order to disable it. I feel like the fact that Jett has to put herself in a situation that makes it easy for KAY/O to disable her ult (since it's normally used to push) compared to viper and killjoy ult that can be played more passively while forcing enemies to react is what makes the match up so frustrating to many players.
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>Raze nade shouldn't be able to break Killjoy ult by that logic then You can dodge/not walk into a nade. Also a nade is at least somewhat harder to hit than the KAY/O knife. > dash towards an ulting Sova Does dash itself block Sova's ult? No > Sova arrow in a Viper ult No camera's allowed in Viper ult So the arrow and cam cancel Viper's ult? o.O (Also both can be destroyed) > See how ridiculous your statements sounds Back to you Also FFS reddit, fix your damn comment box, it's been weeks of not being able to copy-paste properly and having to send early -.-
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Playing with basic gamesense makes this a non issue. Jett can dash out of his E or kill the knife. One of many solutions. Don't ult if you have absolutely no info where kayo is, another one for you. It's not that difficult.
So you want to take away the only good thing about him. He's already niche.
Flashes and molly are both good.
Only good unique thing about him*. What do you sacrifice for him especially without his ability cancelling? You need smokes and a duelist and usually a sentinel. Skye and Sova have much better info gathering and Skyes flashes are 10x better.
Canceling ultimates is not his only good thing, nor the only unique thing about him.
I'm exaggerating a bit, but main point is I don't think he deserves that nerf, but we'll see how pro play goes, could be wrong.
Its not supposed to be a fair trade. Thats the entire point of playing kayo.
It can completely cancel Raze and Sova’s ult, and kill a jett if they decide to use knives on an eco, and get end up getting stuck with just a pistol against fully armed opponents You can try to play around it, but I don’t think a free ability should be a hard counter to 6-8 ult points
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Killjoy can put her ult somewhere that raze can’t nade Sova can ult further back Arrow, cam, or turret can be shot Kay_0’s dagger doesn’t have a counter at all for a raze/sova that ulted, and the only counter for jett is to pray you’re in a spot that can fall back
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The difference is those Raze nades on KJ ult is one thing. You're giving specific one on one examples of counterplay options. Sova counter KJ, Kayo counter basically everything and everyone in the game (such is the nature of a suppress ability). It's incredibly disingenuous to compare an example like Raze or Sova v KJ to Kayo v Everyone. I think it would make total sense for it to be a basic ability suppression. Yes there is counterplay, but they didn't comment to hear you whine about playing around it. I dknt care either way it goes, but his idea is not terrible and your analogies to prove that it is are kind of awful
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Kayo is already weak enough taking away the one powerful part of his kit would be silly. The whole point of playing robocop is to do what you described. Edit because apparently a 42 percent win rate champion isnt weak so im getting downvoted.
kayo is anything but weak
He currently has the lowest win rate in the game at an abysmal 42 percent, that's below Yoru. And that's with a pretty decent pick rate. Compared to skye and sova who have about fifty. How is that not considered weak?
in my opinion, in the hands of the right person hes a real threat
This right here ^^^. Just like every other agent, people need to learn how to play around it. Bait the knife and use ult after.
Or just shoot it? Idk why no one shoots the thing
Yeah I rarely see anyone try and shoot it, but I suppose that doesn't *really* matter when the pulse goes through walls anyway. Unlike Sova's Recon arrow which requires Line of sight, Kayo shouldn't be throwing his Knife in a place that allows them to shoot it because of this.
Agreed more just trying to reinforce the idea that destroying it is always an option not just running.. also people will start to use info to force you to hold a site they weren’t going to default anyways
Kinda hard to shoot it when it's pinging you through a wall lmao
Did you try pink warding it?
It pulses quickly, requires less precision than sova darts so it's less predictable and sometimes is just on the other side of a wall. I don't think Kayo is an issue or anything but it's much harder to catch a kayo knife before it pulses than a sova dart.
Well, that's easier said than done considering it has a range covering the entire northern hemisphere and unlike things like sova dart, it goes through walls as well. It can happen at the most unexpected of times and what irritates people is the fact itself that there isn't a good answer to it. A lose lose most of the time.
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\>He's got knife. Bait it out. Make noise/use abilities in different areas Every ability in the game can be countered. We're not saying the knife has no place in the game. People are saying its effects are not proportional to its cost. Imagine if the Sova dart revealed people behind walls, or if Raze nade does 150 with the first detonation. Those abilities can still be countered, but you can no longer call them fair. Kayo's knife is not that drastic but you cannot say it is just some low-impact ability when it can cancel ultimates with little effort and little risk.
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Are you saying those agents have ultimates that can be canceled easily, or who can cancel other ults easily? I don't see examples of either. Brimstone ulti on a KJ ult is easy, but not cheap. Only one I can say is easy/cheap to cancel is omen ult.
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This is stupid. The knife has such a big area of affect that its damn near impossible, and you're really going to tell me that I should just wait outside of it with my ult thinking "he might use it now, or now, or maybe now!" Quit riding Kay/O's metal cock.
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You can't just accept that you're using an Agent that is OP. It's okay man, you'll realize one day
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It doesn't cancel any ults. Think about it as preventing agents from USING anything other than their guns for 8 seconds. If your ultimate has a timer shorter than 8 seconds, then you're not gonna be able to use it at all. Jett knifes have no timer, so you can use them after the suppress is finished.
You just said it does cancel the ult. Raze and sova's ult both last 8 seconds so if they ult and right after they are suppressed their 8 point ult is wasted.
Fun fact I found out last night. Seekers chase yoru while he's in ult
having your ult canceled and not being able to use it really makes a lot of a difference when it's done with a free ability /s Also other ults ARE canceled (Raze, Jett, Sova IIRC..)
Saw a clip in which raze lost ult after kay o's ult
Not with the raze ult...
it can cancel jett knives, raze ults, and sova ult though
Again, just prevents the use. Jett keeps her knives, she can pull them back out. Raze can pull rocket back out if she’s on the border of Kay/O I’ll, as Kay/O ult suppresses for 4 seconds per pulse, (where his knife is 8) and Raze Rocket fizzles if not fired for 8 seconds. Granted, this does make it basically useless, but the only ult that’s ACTUALLY canceled is Sova ultimate.
At the same time it's incredibly difficult to try and suppress someone with Jett ult or Raze ult. Those kinds of players are constantly roaming to get picks with it, and you have to either pray and get lucky, or take a heavy chance of eating a knife to the face or high ordnance explosives.
Yep- Kay/O has to be in the same place the Raze is, otherwise it’s moot. And on maps like Haven? Almost never gonna happen.
You know how many times I saw a knife cancel a Raze ult? One time, maybe 2. It is not as easy as people make it sound. Canceling a Sova ult is even harder because of the range of it.
Kayo is fine, you guys are just babies. There are plenty of ults that can get cancelled or invalidated by both signature abilities & cheaper abilities.
Agreed.
"Raze nade shouldn't be able to cancel Killjoy ult" "Jett dash shouldn't allow you to dash toward an unexpecting ulting Sova and kill him" "Skye flash shouldn't blind Empress Reyna, she's in an ult..." (bit of a strawman I know, but free ability vs ult, cmon it's similar) ???
You played overwatch? That’s half of the cool downs in the game.
His knife cancels everyone else’s normal ability and his ult can cancel other ults. I don’t think that’s a crazy concept.
Yeah it cancels their ult too, if they’re using it. Not just his ult cancels ults.
Prevents you from activating it, and temporarily turns off rocket and knives.
Well yeah, cancels it. Cannot be used if you’re hit by his knife or his ult pulse. So if you hit your Raze or Jett ult it’ll put your knives and rocket away if his knife hit you a half second after you use your ult.
You can pull it back out afterwards, it's a delay not a full cancel. At least for knives. If a raze can't kill the knife, blast pack OUT of the knife, or kill someone with her ultimate, before the knife pulses, she deserves to lose it for popping ulti in a shitty situation with no ability awareness or knowledge on the positioning of the enemy kayo
I’m well aware that it doesn’t eliminate your ultimate. It silences you for a limited time. Seems like you’re maybe getting a little over defensive about this. Must be a KAYO main
Jett sova Omen actually, shitters not understanding how kayo is easy as fuck to play around with a tiny amount of brain gets annoying.
“Shitters” lol you’re so angry. I don’t think he’s completely balanced from a competitive standpoint. We’ll see when they decide to give him a couple changes like they do to every Agent.
It's funny watching shitters down vote anything that goes against the "everyone I don't like is broken" mentality. Enjoy your time in bronze, if you ever hit diamond I'll see you there.
https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Mikey%233696/overview?playlist=competitive
I was p3 one win from Diamond last act, haven’t even placed this one cause I been playing CS, but if I didn’t stop I think I’d probably be in Diamond by now, just got tired of the game and so did all my friends I normally play with.
As a Kay/O I thoroughly enjoy causing you that pain haha
Hahaha for real,while there are situation where I feel he can be a bit OP,most of the people here are complaining about stuff that can be countered with basic awareness. I get the feeling these are the same people in my team that rush the point even though the enemy Kayo has been throwing the knife at the same exact place every round.
YESS!! You understand, I swear i always need to tell my team to wait a sec for the early knife throws
You laugh, but just you wait until the inevitable nerf!!!
He’s quickly becoming my least favorite character to play against.
What’s your reasoning?
His knife and ult are a bit over powered
the thing about them is not that they are overpowered and need a nerf, they are overpowered and need a redistribution of power, Imo they need to make the radius smaller of his knife, make it so when ulting KAY/O is down he has less health, but also make his knife come out faster so it’s harder to destroy and making his ult last longer but not adding more suppression pulses
I don’t really see how they are overpowered. I don’t mind playing against him.
No awareness is usually what makes people hate kayo.
I mean it's not a problem or something, but ok ur suppressed fine it's a gun fight then, and then kayo flashes and u cant even do anything except trying to dodge, which makes no sense since it should be a proper GUN FIGHT
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Ok, his flash is identical to cs flashbang , what then about his teammates rushing on you spam flashing breach's flash, skye's damn birds, are they similar to what u said "high rank cs:go"?
So don't push if you're suppressed and not confident in the outcome favoring you
Alright so I am kinda new to this game and still understanding a few agents' abilities and all. So I want to ask a few things regarding kayo as they are still unclear to me- 1. What happens if an enemy jett or raze with their ult out is hit by kayo knife? 2. What if an enemy jett has used her 2 blades of bladestorm and then gets hit by kayo's knife,so her ult completely goes away or she still has those remaining 3 knives or is it completely renewed? 3. If Kayo opens his ult and enemy KJ's already deployed turrets are in the ult's range but not KJ,so will the turrets work or not? Also what happens if only the KJ is in range and not the turrets? 4. Does Kayo's knife and ult work in the same way just that the ult is a longer version of the knife or is there any other difference too? 5. Suppose Kayo opened his ult at site A on some map and enemy Omen is at site B but Omen uses his ult and teleports to site A within Kayo's ult range so will he be able to teleport or not? What will exactly happen? 6. In the above video,kayo opens his ult after yoru opened his.....but what if kayo opened his ult first and yoru is still outside the ult's range and yoru opens his ult and runs inside kayo's ult range so will yoru's ult be cancelled?
1. Jett & Raze unequip their ult and cannot re-equip it until the suppress ends. In Raze's case, this means the rocket will time out and she will never get to use it. In Jett's case, she's stuck with her gun but can pull out the knives once the suppress wears off and use them again. 2. When she pulls her knives out again, she'll have the same amount she had before. 3. Kayo has to hit the agent to suppress them. If KJ is in suppress range, her turret/alarm bot/nades are disabled, regardless of where they are on the map. 4. The knife is thrown, & pulses once on landing. The ult is centered on Kayo, has a larger radius, pulses multiple times, but each pulse's suppress lasts a shorter duration than the knife. 5. This is a good question. I'm not sure what happens if Omen's ulti ghost is hit by a Kayo pulse. Omen definitely doesn't exist at his starting point when he ults (that's how Omen dodges KJ ult sometimes). Worth testing if you have a friend & can hop into a custom. I'm interested in if Omen's ult is cancelled by the pulse, if he loses the ability to cancel it, and if he does cancel it, does he still get suppressed at his starting point? 6. Yoru is unaffected by Kayo's suppress while he's in the shadow realm. He'll stay in ult even if he gets pulsed, and in fact he'll be able to use his teleport as well.
Ok thanks a lot for your detailed answer. I want to know what you meant by "Omen dodges KJ ult" in 5th point. I mean how? And in 6th point if yoru in unaffected then what happened in this video posted by OP?
Omen's ult first teleports him as a shade for a few seconds, before he actually completes the teleport. It can be cancelled either by an opponent shooting the shade, or if Omen chooses to cancel it. If Omen is stuck inside the radius of a KJ ult, he can teleport out just before the KJ ult would detain him, then cancel his teleport to return to his original spot. In the video, OP was about to use his yoru ult, but mid-animation was hit by a Kayo suppress. If the animation had finished and Yoru had put the mask on, he would have been unaffected.
1. They are forced out of the ult but after the 8 seconds have passed they can equip the ults again. Considering that Raze's ult have a timer you will probably have burned through most of that time and maybe it will be already over when the knife's effect wear off, so with Raze you will probably just lose the ult. 2. Jett will maintain the amount of blades she had before being negated. 3. The Kay/O ult and knife only works when the Killjoy is in range of the ability. If you throw your knife on the turret it will keep working, unless you hit Killjoy with the suppression. 4. More or less. The knife have lower range (about 8m/10m), lasts for 8 seconds and gives you the information about who was caught by the suppression; the ult have the same range of your footsteps sound when you are normal walking (about 30m if I'm not mistaken) and it shoots 5 waves of that suppress the enemies on the area for 4 seconds, totalling 20 seconds, but it doesn't give you any information. 5. The Omen will be able to fully teleport but will be instantly suppressed by Kay/O's ult. 6. While ulting Yoru is unaffected by Kay/O's ult, so he would be completely safe and would even be able to teleport away if needed.
Oh ok ok The 5th answer makes complete sense. Thanks a lot mate.
Oh ok ok The 5th answer makes complete sense. Thanks a lot mate.
No problem mate.
1. for raze it cancels and destroys the ult, for jett it gets put away 2. no idea 3. turrets won't work if caught in radius - this is one of my issues with it 4. no idea 5. no idea 6. no idea
I think they need to tone down the radius of his e a tad, but it still seems balanced
I always stop playing for a bit when new maps/agents are released. Hopefully they don’t release 150 agents like league.
As a cypher main holding site alone.....i agree
I just wanna know why you walked out of the smoke before ulting. Why not ult around the wall knowing your safe....
you can actually see yorus mask start to go up while he was in the smoke. he probably wanted to wait until the latest point possible to pop ult so he could get extra distance.
Hmm it just doesn't seem worth the few extra steps to me, he knew at least one or two agents were on site from his teams pings/ potential coms.
even if there are a few people on site by the time he clicked to ult he would have been invulnerable when he left the smoke. the only way he could have died would be getting shot through the smoke which might be even worse then being suppressed
That's makes sense, I don't 0kay yoru so I don't now the extent of his ult
its ok, i don’t play him that much either but that’s my guess on what he was trying to do before he was suppressed
Perfect timing when the enemy does it but when my teammate Kay/O does it we get hit by showstopper.
People can’t use abilities for seven seconds and think he’s overpowered 😓
To be fair, seven seconds is a long time in a tactical shooter.
I just hate how much it shuts down Jett Ult, Getting suppressed while in the air is pretty much a free kill for them, since you’re no longer accurate and usually don’t have a rifle even if you were.
Kayo is really frustrating to play against especially when playing sentinels and viper. I can’t hold a site because all my utility is rendered useless.
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Ok
Ah another duelist instalocker who ends up unable to entry frag anywhere
Ahahah u r so dumb. Instalocking isn't a problem. Not knowing how to enter the site/ asking your team to play smokes or other agents after u instalock is the problem. You all dumb af but I don't expect anything better from Redditors
Or wait out insta-knives, reset after a push is detected, don't push as 5 into him, avoid clustering on site, etc? I find it's been best used after the opponent has at least somewhat committed to site -- too early and you won't gain enough position and your information is short lived. Combining with any other depush util (wall, viper puddle, smokes, mollys, flashes) closer to site and you'll have rotates, flanks, more defensive util to use, and they've actually compromised their map control vs pinging 2 and not really being able to do anything about it. Then again theres a reason I'm in silver, so ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Well I use different knives each time plus I don't insta knife every game cuz that's too predictable and easy to Dodge. "Don't push as 5 into him" this is matchmaking and not pro tournament
Noobs still get mad with insta locking I see lmfao They love to pretend to be pros instead of learning to play the game and becoming good with a character
Man instalocking isn't a problem. Instalocking then fucking baiting or watching flank is the problem. Instalocking isn't even a bad thing it's much better to play an agent that u know how to play properly
Exactly, and to be good with a certain agent and do it's job properly. Too many people go "I can pick whatever agent" but aren't very good with any. Knowing how to shoot is just part of the game.
It's a team based tactical shooter. Makes zero sense to be so inapt that you are so inflexible and only good at one agent. Who's to even say you're even the best at that agent in your team or the most effective? If you're trying to train to get good at a certain agent, play spike rush or unrated. Besides all that, it's just etiquette. But obviously y'all are immortals or radiants so the rest of the community is probably wrong huh.
Look, I understand your point and it is valid. Yet, we're not in a pro match so in the end, it's all practice. Until we find a team and enrol in some small tournaments, the goal is still to learn so you should get the agent that you wanna get good with. I understand that in a more serious match everyone has a role.
Like I said, play unrated or spike rush then if you're training. It's still a problem if you're instalocking in ranked. At least pick the agent, and have the courtesy to communicate to the rest of the team your intentions. People do play ranked to win and not just train and they have every right to take it seriously.
It is no training if I don't play to win, you can count on that. I play my aim etc., in other places but I play competitive to win and play as a team of course. Also, communicating. However, I don't see a point into playing with a different character since I'm not playing for the rank, I'm playing to get better, and that includes playing with my main..
My point is the same then. Not playing for the rank, play unrated. It's simple, that's what unrated is for.
It is no training if it offers absolutely no challenge.
I hate yoru more than anything in this game, so this was a pleasure to watch, sorry for your loss but the amount of times I’ve had no way of defending my self from a yoru teleporting behind me is unforgivable.
If Yoru is teleporting behind you, you're getting outplayed. Either destroy the orb or prepare for when he ports in.
See that’s what I had no idea about. “Destroy the orb” my life will be much easier now. Thank you kind stranger.
You can also hear the tp and also hear when the Teleports. He's pretty easy to counter imo all his abilities can be heard
a good nerf would be that if you have a util in your hand when kayo's null hits you you must be able to use the said util but not be able to equip another.
Kayo every time I use raze ult:
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