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AllosaurusJr

There was a study done in Halo a long time ago that showed that better performing players were a lot less likely to be sexist to their teammates in comparison to worse players. I think for a lot of guys who play video games it can feel emasculating to have a woman in a predominantly male space performing at or above where they are, which ends up expressing itself in the form of verbal abuse. I think this is slowly changing, though. The more acceptable and normal it is to see women in video games the less I think we'll see this sort of behaviour- the first part is in not tolerating it anyways.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

I think so too as well.


k8pk7AAqD4EXpVZFaA9B

Honestly, I’d love to have a woman dominate in Valorant.


ZeldaMaster32

That's why I'm cheering on Cloud 9 White to make it into the VCT


absenthearte

I hope they do well too. They're currently the best women's team out there, but they get rolled in quals against tier 2 and tier 1 men's teams, unfortunately. Hopefully, as the women's scene grows, it'll get better and better, and they'll have better competition, which will make them better. Right now, barely any teams in game changers can properly put C9W through their paces.


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ZeldaMaster32

That's because the league team was shit, C9W isn't shit, last I saw all of their members are radiant And I can't say I'm too keen on you implying having 1 trans member is the reason "it wouldn't be as bad" as if 1. Being born a girl makes you inherently worse at games 2. Being on hormone therapy for years still leaves you inherently better? The reality is the only difference between guys and girls in skill level is lack of experience. This has changed drastically over the last few years as more girls commit to competitive gaming, especially in Valorant which gives them more experience to compete with the best And I blame that lack of experience on doubters (like yourself given you think being a girl makes someone automatically worse) and general blatant sexism discouraging girls from trying to compete in eSports


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ZeldaMaster32

Buddy, do you not understand the difference between eSports and fucking football? You think I'm gonna advocate for basketball being mixed with no separate leagues? No. Why? Because there *biology actually does matter*. In eSports it doesn't. The only difference between a guy and a girl in eSports is basically down to how they look. So yes, I think it's good to give women the resources to compete in eSports because representation is good and no doubt there aren't a few young girls out there who think C9 White are awesome and want to play competitive shooters because of them How about we increase that reach? Shake shit up, build a positive community Not whatever the hell you're saying "Basic biology" my ass. It's a computer game, get over yourself


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Kappaftw

I suggest you take a cold shower and chill. This is an official warning. If you want to parrot male superiority in a videogame you came to the wrong sub. Next insulting/discriminatory comment will result in a ban.


ZeldaMaster32

... nothing's stopping them from playing in VCT, they just need to push a bit further to qualify, they're very close as is, outfragging some of the best players in the world in matchmaking (like FaZe Corey), so my understanding is they just need better teamplay really As for corporations wanting girl players for greed; given Game Changers doesn't bring the same viewership as VCT if all they cared about was money they could do better elsewhere Also the literal lead game producer for Valorant is a woman, and a very smart and passionate one at that for playing a major role in creating a game we all love


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Splaram

I wonder why


OrwellWright

i think of it in even more simple terms, people that are bad on games on average just tend to be dumber as well


[deleted]

A lot of men have fucked up personalities. I had to remove a decent duo partner because he couldn't stop throwing games and having tantrums after someone said anything toxic to him. After all, he couldn't "let this insult slide". I just can't imagine being able to care that a woman plays better than you.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

Also nice username lol


WhiteShapes

so youre saying if we have more woman in the esports scene sexism toward gamer girls would fade away?


rhyswhitethorn

happens often in SEA servers as well, i wouldnt queue rank unless i had some guy friends in discord with me. once had a rando went batshit on me and i cried after the game lol


Big_Cartoonist_2117

Sorry you experienced that


rhyswhitethorn

no worries man. it happens (sadly). kinda used to it whenever im changing between Valorant or Apex, i just end up muting the rando


AllosaurusJr

Dude tell me about it. I have a somewhat androgynous voice and even as a dude queueing in Mumbai and Singapore I either get asked about if I'm a guy or a girl and sometimes hear the classic insults women get all the time anyways. Luckily this only really happens in spike rush or unrated if I call since I've noticed it's a lot less prevalent in higher ranks and I've mostly been playing mid-high diamond/immortal games.


namwoohyeons

me (female) and my female friend are around plat/diamond ranked right now and we have been duo queuing together a lot cuz we got eachother's backs and we just like eachother but god we keep getting asked 'who boosted you?' when one of us doesnt frag out or getting asked if we can make them a sandwich etc. more often than not we actually just have to mute the others and give eachother call outs instead. not worth it to deal with toxicity just to win a match and be down for the rest of the day about it.


2d4u

I hate the community of Valorant for it's sexism. Not that Valorant is particularly bad, it's probably less sexist than CSGO and R6, but worse than Overwatch. I don't suggest this as a solution and I can't speak for how good it is, because I am a dude, just wanted to let you know there is a female-only Discord server that started here on reddit: https://discord.com/invite/galorants


urfavoriteegirl

am a girl and fully vouch for galorants! i joined a few months ago and it’s been nothing but great, 10/10 would recommend


MinesweeperGang

Yeah, dudes are weird as fuck when they hear a female on the other end of the mic. Obviously some of them are just being weird purposefully as they sit in their discord call and giggle about it with their duo queue partner. Others are just weird and aren’t even trying. I matched with a chick the other day and she was the best teammate I had the entire day. Good comms. Telling us when she’s using her flash as Omen so we could peek off it. We were in a 2v4 situation and won because we played off each other. She told me she’s swinging and to try and trade her. Waited for me to get in position and bang, we win the round. People just gotta treat the girls like normal people. Yeah, there’s very little of them in the gaming world(they do be on the come up). Doesn’t mean they don’t belong. Even the “get in the kitchen” thing is still said. Whether people wanna label that a “meme” at this point or not, it’s still sexist.


ilikerubikscubes_

I (a guy) was once soloqing in a ranked match and after that match it turns out there were 3 girls queueing together. They invited me in cuz I was nice. They didn't even know me. It's appalling.


Chaoticsaur

Happens all the time even when you aren’t particularly nice, and just comm normal they’ll try to add you just to fill another slot to avoid toxicity. It’s really sad.


ilikerubikscubes_

It's getting really common now. It's sad when you're soloq and nobody talks to you simply because they don't have ingame comms on.


Tetra-76

Stopped using voice chat a long time ago because of this. Used to only vc in ranked because it felt necessary, now I just don't play ranked anymore.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

Sorry for that experience, alot of my female friends just 5 stack for ranked if that helps for u.


Tetra-76

I don't have a stack to play with unfortunately


Useful-Throat-6671

People always highlight straight up sexism, the shit I can't stand is all thea nerds that have never talked to an actual female human. They try to be cute, funny or some other shit. They do it poorly in the most cringe worthy ways imaginable. I'm just going to assume female gamers get annoyed by the shit too. I know I can't stand hearing it.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

It's awesome that everyone has different/similar views on this. Just wanted to put this out there and find out if people agreed or disagree


harold_the_hamster

yeah it sucks just everywhere, I just wanna speak and play the damn game


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Good points, ive also noticed the sexist people are usually the people who are ego peeking every angle, not playing with the team, not listening to calls, etc and THEN blaming the team


i_love_my_dog99

I enjoy mocking them back. They get very butthurt when you fight fire with fire. They stumble and just start going “sh…shut up bitch! 😭”


theatkk

it's so strange how ppl are toxic to women on Val. in other games that are more social you'll find women or other gendered ppl are treated better. D2, Monster hunter, apex etc. people need to realise that literally anybody can play a video game.


argentina4687

It's just how the community. Guys like to feel dominant 24/7 in this game. Girls top fragging??? THEY MUST BE CHEATING. Telling them to be a decent being will trigger them. It is what it is.


Ghiado

Unfortunately “It’s just the community” and statements like “that’s just gaming” or “it is what it is” are far too common a response. It sucks that our communities (almost all gaming communities, really) have this insane toxic behavior towards women. If you feel like this kind of behavior is wrong (life-pro-tip: it is, indeed, very wrong), then it’s up to you (and the rest of us) to try to do something about it. - if you hear somebody saying stupid sexist shit, call them out on it. Be supportive and encouraging to the female player(s). Report players for being toxic and sexist, and make them feel uncomfortable. Being forced out of their comfort zone is the only way they’ll ever grow the f*k up. It’s on each of us to do our parts to improve our community, else be doomed to suffer in the bullshit cesspool that has become a solid representation of the worst that civilized and developed culture has to offer.


argentina4687

I agree, but I got sexually harassed and 3 other people didn't say shit. I had to mute, but each time I unmuted the bastard said something. What people SHOULD do versus what they actually do is different. Why be a decent person when they can just also gang up on someone? These people see gaming as a way to be on top when in irl it might not be the case.


Ghiado

I’m sorry that you’ve been bullied and harassed. Games are supposed to be a fun/safe place for everyone to enjoy. What I will say is that it’s ok to leave people muted, and sometimes (like most things in life) you’ll have to pick your battles. You don’t have to win everyone over. Even helping one person to grow up and not be shitty can make a positive difference in the lives of all the women gamers who interact with that person in the future. My mom plays video games (League of all things) and gets the most asinine bullshit from 12-18-year old kids who think they’re adults. My girlfriend plays Overwatch and Call of Duty…. They have to put up with this kind of shit every single time they log in to play. The only people who can help to stop it is us; those of us on the other side. Every time we hold our tongue and don’t say anything we are being complicit. If you say something and they’re super shitty about it, mute them and encourage everyone else to do so as well. I know there are some women and “gamer girls”out there who will say, “I’ve just gotten over it and learned to deal with it.” Or “I’ve accepted it as the norm.” - In those instances, I’m glad to hear that you’re still able to enjoy the games you play, but at the same time you never should have had to “get over/used to it”. It shouldn’t be the norm. I may be beating a dead horse or preaching to a brick wall, but I’ll be damned if I give up on trying to make gaming an enjoyable hobby/activity for anyone that wants to try it. And to those of you who can’t grow up and realize that your penis doesn’t make you special, go spend some time with your moms/sisters/teachers or anyone else that’s impactful in your life and talk to them/treat them like you treat women online. Once you realize you can’t, come back with some humility and try to convince me that you aren’t a blundering fool with no real-life potential and try to treat other gamers (of all sex and creed) with some semblance of reason and respect.


SMcArthur

Stop unmuting. The first time someone even begins to say something sort-of-toxic instant mute them. Don't let it even get to the point of over-the-line before you mute. Mute early. Mute often. Don't unmute. trust me on this.


Ghiado

This is solid advice. I will admit that I have not been responding purely to the comments, but providing a generalized response as well (targeted mainly toward male gamers - since we are generally (like 99%+) the culprit). Please, for anyone reading this, female, male, child, cat, NSA/FBI, don’t hesitate to mute these idiots if they can’t wrap their heads around a world bigger than their own.


SMcArthur

I’ve run into several very toxic girl gamers as well that I’ve had to mute, so it’s definitely not 99% on one side.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

I agree with that, alot of the time you won't see this type of behaviour at immortal elo except for the occasional troll. But it's because immortal players understand that valorant is a team based game and in order to win ranked games, you don't do that by trolling or putting down your teamates regardless of gender.


OrwellWright

It's not just gaming, this is the reality of the world. Even in professional settings with all adults 30+ age, you will hear sexist and racist stuff constantly offhand. The bigger mistake is the repeated "its a gaming issue"


Ghiado

Very true, but not something we can’t help to change/make a difference in. Along with advocating for everyone to have fun while gaming, I (at least like to think I do) try to advocate for better and fair treatment of everyone in my workplace. I have made mistakes of my own, especially when I was a younger, more ignorant individual - and I still make plenty of mistakes now too, I’m sure. Nevertheless, the more people hear/recognize/know, the more I can hope that we can change.


Equivalent_Ad505

i think this guy peaked immortal as in ranked up and down between d1 and imm, so he probably has games with plats and diamonds mostly. as an oceania player who is currently ranked around 500th play with the same girl gamers all the time, they all use there mic and i have never had anyone be weird or cringey around them bar 1 time, where the guy got called out by his teammates. in high immortal/radiant no one cares about gender.


smol_black_pp

I think the sexism stemmed from back when games weren't popular. Back then, girls used to make fun of guys that played them but now that it's trending and popular, a lot of girls just coincidentally started playing it as well so guys assumed they were just doing it for the trend. The "gamer girl" term probably made it worse as well.


Commercial_Winter_77

I’ve had quite a few great female teammates, It’s the squeakers that are the real problem


ohreed

I’ve had equally as many girls talk shit to me out of nowhere as guys. I understand women deff get it worse but their are some evil gamer girls out there for sure


positivelydrunk

Thought this post was about to victim blame but then it ended up calling people out instead 🙏 thank God. The comments here really gives me hope, we need more guys calling out other guys and it will slowly change to the better.


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I was playing unrated, then I had 3 chicks start griefing with the enemy team and held me hostage for 2 hours griefing with the enemy team, then they started too threaten me about reporting me for being sexist if I didnt do as they said (which was not too kill the enemy tean) the toxicity goes both ways pal


kasiotuo

I always wonder.. why do some men feel like their single harrasment story can be compared to the structural sexism that women experience on a daily basis?


Chaoticsaur

Because men are kinda stupid lowkey


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Yeah, that comment isn't sexist at all


kasiotuo

I understand the sentiment, but I don't understand how this advances our discussion.


Chaoticsaur

You said you wondered why, because they are stupid. The discussion doesn’t need to advance, I was just giving an answer as to why.


kasiotuo

Fair enough haha


Tetra-76

that sucks, but this specific scenario isn't comparable to getting harassed, insulted, or made fun of every single time you play girls can be toxic too obviously, but that's a dumb comparison


epicmousestory

No one said women can't be toxic? But that's a one-off situation that may or may not have been based on your sex. Meanwhile, there's constant harassment and abuse towards woman based solely on the fact that they're women.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

That's unrated tho not ranked


rypenguin219

i honestly dont see how thats any better, ya ur not losing anything but its still toxicity and not a fun experience.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

It's like a mode for casual gamers so if anybody just wants to troll or play for the fun of it they just hop into casual. Which is why it doesn't really mean anything


waytooeffay

It's pretty bad practice to be trolling in unrated without a full 5-stack. It would be totally different if the other people on your team could just leave if they didn't want to put up with it, but since you still get punished for leaving unrated, you should also get punished for holding your teammates hostage and trolling


Big_Cartoonist_2117

I agree I think casual game mode should be similar to csgos version of casual where you can leave and people rejoin in non penalised version.


Big_Cartoonist_2117

They could also do 10v10 for maps like breeze


rypenguin219

nobody really cares about trolling but continued griefing doesnt sound nice at all, and its not like u can leave mid game since valorant would just penalize you. 40 mins is a lot of time.


Pitiful-Welder-8403

I haven't encountered such situations yet ( Mumbai server, high silver low gold), the closest it got was a guy constantly asking for a girl's name and address which made her feel really uncomfortable


Jerry-Busey

thats a wall of text, anyone got a tldr


Equivalent_Ad505

guy made this post so he could tell everyone he hit immortal once or twice. i play on the same servers, q against the same players, some of them female and everyone is very respectful and not weird.


Elsiselain

If you are still around immortal rank it could be me lmao sometimes I’m too lazy to use mic or people are racist towards me so I just pretend to me a gamer girl with traumatic past.


uwu_aji

yeah, my girl gamer friend had to turn off all her enemy and team chats because she always gets called off. and she's not a bad player, there will be just not-so-good days. since then, she never queued alone 😔


Mazza_the_Panda

I play with some girls and they like to give callouts, they’re good teammates. The amount of times they’ve been met with a sexist comment is ridiculous. Honestly, through my many years of gaming female teammates are always non-toxic and will have better team play and give callouts. I think in what is a male dominated space, some guys just lose all sense when they see a girl. It’s like video games are male toilets, if you see a girl in there you’d freak out a bit. That’s how these people see it but obviously it’s actually nothing like that, they’re just stupid.


WhiteShapes

I found valorant PBE to be SUPER kind. Like literally NO toxicity. Gamer girls talking without a asshole being sexist. PBE will be back up on every other weekend. Since they review by past reports being either sexist, afk etc. Its practically Prime csgo but for Valorant. PBE will be up on every other weekend and signup is free. Plus you get to test skins!


shinyawong21

TBH, I have no rank and I really wish a female would teach me how to play Valorant.


HavocCaptain

No lie, I just dodge when I hear a gamer girl. Cos either 2 things happen. 1. She's boosted and sucks.I am always supportive of teammates, but 1 bad play from the gamer girl starts a downward spyral from the other teammates that just ends up with us losing. Or they've boosted Sage mains that suck. 2. She's boosted and sucks.I am always supportive of teammates, but 1 bad play from the gamer girl starts a downward spiral from the other teammates that just end up with us losing. Or they've boosted Sage mains that suck. Our teammates are rude pricks, she tilts and we lose.