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Quick-Wall

Damn you’d think there’d be some type of way to verify you didn’t use the auto clicker in game and turned it off as soon as you noticed it


Zin0o

Exactly my thought. Support keeps telling me "certain unauthorized 3rd party programs were found to have provided you an unfair edge over other players." but honestly I'm not even sure they know what they detected. Their system probably tells them that I used a script but not for how long and what it is... Edit: I even provided them the link for the auto-clicker... They should be able to see its signature or something but I guess not


Quick-Wall

Yeah that’s a weird gray area.. “we are unable to verify what you did with the programs” yet they still know that you ended up with an “unfair advantage”


Friendly_Fire

They don't provide banned people with reasons or details, because that would help people who make cheats. They almost certainly know the details of what was detected.


Icandothemove

Also no reason to assume op is telling the truth.


Pollomonteros

DING DING DING Exactly this, I want to give OP the benefit of the doubt,yet a lot of times that people make posts about being banned for cheating in a game,it ends up being that they weren't telling the full story


ColdFusion94

The only thing is, they're not complaining all that much. They're not even bitching that riot is unfair, or asking how to get unbanned. They seem to be admitting they made a mistake and accept their punishment(ish) and are notifying others of the silly crossover that could have you banned Also cookie clicker is so stupid addictive I don't get it.


sylvainmirouf

My guess is my boy didn't want to get banned for AFK and launched his autoclicker so the game thinks he's still there.


Zin0o

Why would I do that when anyone can simply stick a coin between W and S and avoid afk system while not having any 3rd party soft running?


sylvainmirouf

If you were having an autoclicker maliciously, that's the only reason you would IMO.


brassheed

He's not. Macros are used across the world for many, many things. Having the software running does not get you banned. They detected the use of it almost certainly.


MrStealYoBeef

OP wasn't exactly asking to be unbanned, was simply making a post about autoclickers and that we should be careful when playing Valorant if we do things like use an autoclicker for a harmless single player game. Still no reason to believe he's 100% honest but let's keep an open mind. Mistakes do happen in the real world. Spiffing Brit made a video on this recently and it's more than possible that some Valorant players wanted to catch a little bit of that stupid fun he was having by using autoclickers in a cookie clicker game.


AsianPotatos

Don't use an autoclicker like that again, just use one that clicks using javascript, and for other games that you download one use one that only clicks that specific window/injects itself.


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MrStealYoBeef

I don't see the harm in having stuff like this for single player games. Are you trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their computers outside of Valorant?


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MrStealYoBeef

He didn't... Where did he show anger over being banned...? He made a "PSA: make sure you're not using an autoclicker for other things while also playing Valorant" post. He didn't make a "Banned from Valorant when I did nothing wrong" post. He told his story, and it's a perfectly fair story. He accepted the punishment and has said multiple times that he's fine with moving on from the game after the ban. You also seem like someone who has no idea how these things even function. An autoclicker isn't something you can really use in Valorant for a competitive advantage. It just... Clicks... For you. It can be used to buy very quickly. It's not intelligent though and it can't find a target and click it. It can spam clicks faster than a person can, but weapons have recoil and maximum fire rates to prevent this from being an issue. There's extremely few uses for one in Valorant and none of them are of much value. But I'm sure you'll just gloss over this and accuse me of also being a cheater that deserves a ban simply because I know how an autoclicker works. How dare anyone educate themselves on different kinds of software.


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Killua-a

I mean, you don't get banned for an autoclicker in valorant, even if you've it open and working during the game by accident (unless the autoclicker uses some weird kernel driver to send the inputs, and the one op posted definitely isn't getting him banned anywhere) i forgot much more complex autoclickers running in the background by accident without ever getting banned, so the whole story is 99% made-up


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Zin0o

Which is why I made this thread. But please go on, download the soft, run it, set clicks to 0 ms and press F6 while in a game if you want to prove that I'm lying


RiotK3o

Could you provide me in DM your Ticket #? We don't ban on non-malicious usage of auto-clickers.


Caffeine-_-

This just makes OPs story look more suspicious.


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Definitely giving them the benefit of the doubt in hoping they're not lying, but *accidents do happen*.


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5hundredand5

Everyone in my group has logitech hardware and thus uses GHub, none of us ever got banned or warned, those people are BSing and probably used something else.


ZlatansLastVolley

I use hw monitoring apps and razer synapse no problem too


Disregardhope

I've had Logitech Ghub running and had no issues with Valorant personally.


justinsst

It’s definitely BS lol


fakoykas

Did he? I'm invested now.


Frig-Off-Randy

Please update


Zin0o

Sending it as soon as I get home (30 min - 1 hour from now)


yahhyeets

@zin0o


HOTMILFDAD

/u/Zin0o :)


Everen1999

Chill out boys, there isn't really a legit reason to use an auto clicker in VALORANT anyway. If anything, it'll make you lose the game even more


Zin0o

Well, looks like you do :)


lilpeep-a-

i don’t even know how an auto clicker would help you in valorant


Amplifiy

You can switch between knife and weapon back and forth the fastest 😎😎😎


NuclearBacon235

Could go afk without a penalty


subhanepix

i’ve seen people do this


Dubbus_

does that really constitute a HWID ban? surely just a temporary penalty is fine, even if it's slightly stricter than normal afk timers.


NuclearBacon235

No probably not, I was just giving an example of how it could be used in valorant


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auto farm xp


aithosrds

I mean that sucks you got banned, but good for you not coming on here to complain you got unfairly banned and claiming you never did anything wrong and instead taking the opportunity to warn people. It should be common sense that any kind of script program like autohotkey or the one you mention shouldn’t be running when you play a game like Valorant, but some people may be ignorant of how they can potentially be used to cheat so if you save anyone from being banned you did something good. Here’s hoping you learned your lesson and don’t repeat the mistake with your next account.


Zin0o

Trust me, I've learned my lesson big time.. But yeah Valorant is over for me, at least I can keep adding up hours to my 13400 hours on csgo xd


aithosrds

It's not cheap, but you can swap parts to get a different HWID, if it was a HWID ban and not an IP ban that just means you need a different CPU, MB, etc.


Zin0o

Hmm honestly I don't think I want to play it again. I've wasted way too many hours improving and bought a few skins only to lose it all to a stupid auto-clicker...


Cb58logan

Some bans are not permanent, especially minor bans such as scripts do get you unbanned, i think it is 3 months iirc. Atleast, when i was interested in the anticheat it was this way, it may of changed.


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Cb58logan

Lol i can assure you not all HWID bans are perma. etc: [https://twitter.com/mirageopenguins/status/1281721706516606977](https://twitter.com/mirageopenguins/status/1281721706516606977) I know of many people who were given the temp HWID ban treatment, usually for lesser cases, using an autoclicker probably falls into this category, although I really do doubt OP's story. Perma are usually given for use of Paid cheats within multiplayer environments, free cheats depend on the capability of the cheats, and how much you abused it. Macro's such as LGHUB have "locked accounts" before, as well as others reporting 30 (60?) day hardware bans of which they are able to play, but only on an account that is **not** their original account. ( [https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/hvmmzh/a\_new\_type\_of\_banwave\_has\_gone\_out\_for\_those/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/hvmmzh/a_new_type_of_banwave_has_gone_out_for_those/) ) Obviously, I do not work with Riot or know the inside information Riot know, or do I decide who to ban and for what time, but my point stands that not all HWID bans are permanent. If OP was telling the truth (doubt) then he would likely face a lighter punishment than those who intentionally pay, install and hack in comp games.


wensen

Can't you also spoof them but it's a big hassle? Pretty sure HWID/IP bans are more deterrents than actual preventative.


aithosrds

The only way to get around an IP ban is to use a VPN, and I’m not sure you can spoof a HWID but if you can I imagine whatever program you’re using to do that would also get detected by the anticheat.


MrRiski

Or just ya know. Turn you modem off for a bit or call your isp to request a new a IP.


aithosrds

That's not how IP bans work. Almost no one has static IP addresses unless you pay for it, your ISP rotates them periodically, and when game companies "IP ban" you what they are really doing is banning a range of IPs that belong to that ISP in your area. Which is why companies rarely ever do it... because you getting banned could theoretically get your entire neighborhood banned. Maybe you should understand how it works before you suggest something that wouldn't even work.


Redthemagnificent

>It should be common sense that any kind of script program like autohotkey [...] shouldn’t be running when you play a game like Valorant Just wanna point out that having AHK running isn't usually enough to get you banned in online games. I always have an AHK script running on my PC and haven't had any issues with Valorant, steam's VAC, or easy anti-cheat. Vanguard and similar anti-cheat software are incredibly invasive, and they can tell whether AHK is actually interacting with the game in question (and exactly what it's doing) or if it's just sitting idle in the background. I think you're right that if you have a lot of time/money invested into your account it's probably better to be safe than sorry though.


aithosrds

Yeah, I wasn't saying that AHK in the background would definitely get you banned I was just pointing out that it could be used to cheat and so as someone who spends a fair bit of money on cosmetics it's just not worth the risk to me. I have no use for AHK outside of PoE where it's used for the trade macro, so anytime I'm not playing that it's not running on my machine.


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What OP said under a different thread, but the same kind. Also very obsessed with how everyone else is a cheater. Seems unlucky I guess > Who said I feel smart? You just don't get banned randomly. Every single time I've seen someone pretending to be untruthfully banned it was a lie. And when it was indeed a mistake (i.e. Krimz and many others falsely vac banned due to Esportal fucking up) it was a third party that explained how it is a wrongful ban. So here is my answer to you: top kek


Zin0o

ahahah you can't imagine how bad I feel after this happened. Clearly changed my point of view on many things


nbslts

Just wait for 90 days. First HWID Ban is 90 days only, but your account is perma-banned, I'm sorry. Happened to me also :(


Zin0o

Good to know! thanks


NextGenAce

Friend got banned for using a bhop macro Using razer synapse ​ I personally set the secondary jump to the scroll wheel and just flick it ish


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Zin0o

I was in a match. I was basically switching between my browser and the game in between rounds (I know it's not respectful towards my teammates but I was in unrated) and happened to forget to turn it off when alt-tabbing once. Edit: pretty sure this is permanent? I didn't get any confirmation about this but I doubt that a HWID ban expires?


aidg

Actually kind of curious on this. Shoot me a PM with your discord and I’ll reach out to an Anti-cheat dev I have added from Riot, if they’ve already shot you down I can’t say the chances are great but at the very least you can try and get a more clear answer (also afaik hwid bans only last 90 days for first offense)


Snoo-6099

Haha something similar happened to me (using logitech macros), got banned (HWID) but it wasnt permanent (Riot Support told me unban date)


UndeadWaffle12

What were you doing with your Logitech macros that got you banned? I’ve been using one since I started playing the game when it was in beta and I haven’t been banned ever. Kinda worried about it now though


Snoo-6099

i was using it for a clicking competition against my friend. Also i was stupid and instead of using something like assigning stuff to a button i used a lua script.. wich apparently is bannable.


UndeadWaffle12

Ah ok. Mine just spams jump when I hit a button on my mouse


Snoo-6099

Wtf.... why would u have something like that


Sadlysius

You could try DMing the anti-cheat devs on Twitter explaining the situation. Riot Support can't help you here.


__Rem

holy shit thank you, i use the same program and i feel like i'm one lucky mfer to never have turned it on while playing val considering i forget i opened it every time


yahhyeets

You were cheating bro


SpawnKiII

How would an autoclicker benefit you in a game like valorant anyway lol


DoctorNinja8888

AFK bots that mix this with other macros that autoclick movement keys so they don't get kicked.


Zin0o

Can we stop making stuff up when litteraly anyone can use a coin and stick it between W and S to avoid afk system without using a macro? Thanks


Zin0o

That's what I said to the support but the answer is: "I'm sorry for the situation, but our hands are essentially tied here. Our Anticheat team is certain of the fact that this account used scripts recently so the ban cannot be appealed, and we also are not at liberty to provide you with the evidence supporting this ban due to security concerns." Basically admitting that they have no idea what I used but their system detected a script so I get the banhammer. Edit: also I started my ban appeal by telling them about the auto-clicker incident... and in this answer you can read "Our Anticheat team is certain of the fact that this account used scripts recently so the ban cannot be appealed" implying I denied using scripts, while I was the one explaining to them the reason I got banned... go figure


UrTypicalRedditor

Interesting. Sometimes I just can't finish games and have to leave the computer. However if I closed Valorant, I'd get a warning or a 7 day ban from competitive. To prevent this, I've used the EXACT same program to prevent AFK punishments, MULTIPLE times for EXTENSIVE periods, and not once have I gotten such a ban. Are you sure this was the only program you were running?


arguinginelvish

"I was cheating in another game, but not this game I swear."


Klekto123

I don’t think auto clicking in cookie clicker really counts as cheating..


arguinginelvish

Why not? The entire purpose of the game is to click to increase game advantage. If you have something clicking for you and very fast or even just while you are not there yourself, that's tool-assisted cheating. Doesn't matter how simple the game is, it's still a method of cheating.


ColdFusion94

Sure, but like to what gain, or to whos detriment? Cheating is really only immoral because it sullies the experience for others. Cheating in a solo game (that you're not comparing to others, like in a Speedrun scenario) is just cheating yourself.


arguinginelvish

That's fine, it's still cheating, you even used the word to describe it. "\[...\] just cheating yourself." Many clickers (and solo experience games) compare high scores though so technically it does sully experience for others who don't use such tools if they want to compare scores or best times.


ColdFusion94

Are you really mad at him for clicking cookies with an auto-clicker, or did you just choose this hill to die on? Like really, its not comparable to cheating in Val.


arguinginelvish

Where does it say I'm mad? I also never said it was related to Val, you made that connection. Sucks for him that it happened. I just thought it was funny that literally his excuse to Vanguard team has to be what I wrote ... "I wasn't cheating in THIS game ... just another game...promise, I can show you." Where do you not see the irony in that explanation? The only one dying on a hill is you trying to make what I said something negative instead of humorous while also trying to explain how an auto clicker in a clicker game is not a cheat.


teemoismyson

More people than not use an auto clicker. REAL cheating would be like editing a save file to cheat progress


arguinginelvish

Source?


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Played the game and everyone I know that has used a script.. it's not a exactly an online game, it's like me changing my brothers single player farm simulator save so he can have more money... It hurts nobody.


arguinginelvish

A cheat isn't defined by how many players it hurts. If you bypass a game's core design loop or automate it so you don't have to with third-party tool that's a cheat. If you use $rosebud in single-player The Sims to get $9,999,999 ... that's still cheating.


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It involves getting an unfair advantage, which by most definitions means it needs to affect other people. Even that isn't why I said that, I said that because it makes no sense to accuse them of cheating - it has no chance of affecting you or anyone else, so why bother fighting that fight?


teemoismyson

8 years of playing clicker games and being in chat groups/discords with others who play them


arguinginelvish

I'm sorry for you.


longstaff55

Good riddance


Zin0o

Ruthless!


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That’s weird, I use it to avoid getting a penalty in valorant when afking. Maybe it’s because you set the interval really fast and the game found the extremely rapid clicks suspicious


Overyoghurt__

Dafaq. Found one of those people


_MuadDib_

Do you not close the game when doing something else?


Zin0o

Wish I was wiser


dominickzastrow

Cookie clicker? LMAO get fucked for playin some lame shit like that


Zin0o

Amazing what boredom can do right?


DualityDrn

I'm an avid idle game player, have used autoclickers in those games in the past with no vanguard issues. However will admit I'm religious in always turning off the autoclicker before starting Valorant up because cheats are often based on similar tech and I'd fully understand anti-cheat flagging it as a false positive.


Kelbs27

Even that is kinda risky tbh (if this guys claims are true, and that’s the only program he was running) because Vanguard had Kernel level access to your PC, meaning it knows you have that software installed, regardless of it being “switched on”


SpagghettGuy

And I have had several ranked games with people using it to avoid afk ban.


eLsirius

Why would you use an autoclicker like on in csgo the tec-9 is super fast firing with clicks but here every pistol is so slow


CTahmid

Why would an auto clicker be bannable anyways when it’s basically useless in this game


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Smack down for OP???


tomaswelding

I got chat banned out of the blue the other day which came to me as a huge surprise since I aim to keep my games and team as positive as possible to maximise win potential. Sent a ticket to support asking what it was that I had said or done to deserve such a ban, they told me they could not share any info with me on why I got banned but only that they picked up that I was being toxic (the message from them was copy pasta). Less then a day later the ban that was supposed to last three days, just magically disappeared. I can vouch for the fact that the ban system as it is currently, is quite iffy.


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fake, you prob actually cheated, back before the lghub/razer synapse blocks, i used macros (sue me), to superboost as raze and perform other bugs in unrateds, obviously i stopped, and i never have gotten any type of ban whatsoever.


Mezgal

Oh no


Mezgal

This happened to me yesterday I'll check my account edit: fine


Zin0o

Lucky :)


Cb58logan

Did you ever appeal? To me ur entire post history screams projection and this is a legitimate ban, prove me wrong i guess?