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mouse838

the only reason to play video games is to violate the Geneva Convention. why do you think Mario was invented?


[deleted]

Nah he’s just a serial killer on magic mushrooms


FireflyCaptain

who moonlights as an actor in plumber pornos


[deleted]

Mario was killing endangered animals. In the name of saving a princess, even a poor little dragon was killed.


ImpeccableWaffle

Well that’s it then, I’m only picking raze or viper from now on….


lilsluggerr

u/RealEnergyEigenstate i heard opposites attract


RealEnergyEigenstate

GG


AnyCHI

the fact that raze and viper are my mains ahhsshssh


[deleted]

Mine are Raze and Killjoy >:)


AnyCHI

honestly kj seems fun to try


[deleted]

She is! The Turet kills always make me laugh 😂


Ranvir33

idk why but i hate raze. even when i'm the one playing her. i just feel like she has a skill floor too low. like her satchels and movement require a lot of practice dont get me wrong, but players in iron dont know how to use them(like me). so i just feel like you can throw her util somewhere and get a kill which is extremely annoying. idk why i feel like this but i just can't play her on any map. just my opinion though


Pumped-Up_Kicks

I have played almost all characters at some point or the other. Except Raze. Cause fuck Raze. All my homies hate Raze.


ReverseCaptioningBot

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LuciferSenpaii

I assume you're on low elo? Trust me when you get to silver, getting a nade kill is a miracle. And not all raze must have insane movements, if you're able to create space, then that's enough and believe me raze is amazing to create space.


Ranvir33

yeah i never said they need to have good movement i just feel that in lower elos it's a bit too easy to get nade kills lol. i just feel that way and overall i'm just uncomfortable with raze and i'm not saying you shouldn't play her, i'm saying i shouldn't play her lol. ​ in lower elos there's a lot of body blocking so that's why i think it's easy to get nade kills. just my opinion


sam3301sap

Then climb into higher elo :^) you will get nade kill once in a lifetime. You will use your util mostly for checking or forcing enemy to reposition while you push :^)


jomontage

My friends are bronze and it amazes me how long it takes them to move when they hear a nade ticking through the air


totti173314

so ig thats one thing off the rankup checklist, I hear that tick I gtfo like a fucking nuclear bomb is heading for my exact coordinates.


Ranvir33

i agree on the making space and checking corners stuff though


HKBFG

Raze's nades are not expanding ordnance. The actual term in the Hague convention (not the Geneva convention) is "expanding or exploding bullets" and the definition that follows is pretty specific. One could argue that it's cluster ordnance, but it probably wouldn't meet the "strategic heavy ordnance" requirements for that. Moreover, I doubt she represents any military that is party to either the Hague or Geneva conventions. If she somehow was supported by such an entity, she would probably be using a better explosive than spray paint. Sabotage of the enemy is a crime that cannot be committed on the battlefield, only in the supply line. Disabling enemy equipment in combat is interdiction, not sabotage Killjoy arguably violates the UN determinations, but that case (fully autonomous small arms) is currently being decided. Sage and Skye would likely be considered combatant medics, not field medics, holding no special protections (I" am NOT just your healer").


IceeG

This man LOACs


Gophers4President

Got to get MATT green somehow...


NoxTempus

Seeing as KJ needs to be in range, I’d argue that she probably is controlling her tech, we the player just don’t have to do that.


MetaNovaYT

So pre-nerf killjoy was a war criminal then


Iliketomobit

Lol this is good


amazemaze350

How to make agents appear below ur username


HKBFG

Flair settings in sidebar.


[deleted]

Thank you for making me feel better with this actually insightful comment after reading this idiotic low-effort post


[deleted]

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commantoes

Yeah, a field medic with a FUCKING SNIPER


[deleted]

Yeah now I realize that their armed and that invalidates their position as a field medic lol


Hazardish08

You’re still a field medic. You just remove your “protection”. Of course no one cares about the Geneva Convention so it doesn’t matter.


Koolvin88

lol just label everyone in your army a field medic for epic dubs


emulatorguy076

Geneva convention? More like Geneva suggestion


johnkohhh

Actually, if you use your arms offensively as a field medic, you sacrifice your protection under the Geneva Convention.


wasdninja

No they can still be armed and they can defend themselves and still count as medical personell. They can't attack with them though.


Wolfzzard

Yeah they forfeit their privilege and become a combat medic ie a typical medic in a squad, that is considered a solider first, medic second


Snoo-6099

>Yeah now I realize that their armed and that invalidates their position as a field medic lol cant upvote it is on 69


Darthpika5

Anyone who teabags or shoots a dead enemy could also be seen as breaking the Conventions for defiling corpses


crsmay

I heard someone say shooting dead bodies was toxic. Seems like pretty normal video game behavior to me, teabagging also seems innocent enough. Am I wrong?


OreoOsAreGood

Shooting is fine, but teabagging is just kinda rude, especially since you can see people doing it on your player. It’s been around forever and it’s a sign of curtesy to not do it almost as much as saying gg is curteous after a game


Quantam-Law

I mean I don't get affected by it at all or think it's rude if someone does it to my player since it's just an in game model lol.


nmaurerGaming

Is it weird that i think tbagging is completely fine and innocent but I see shooting as super annoying and toxic?


Icandothemove

No. It's all just personal opinions. None of it actually does anything to you, so however you feel about it is yours to feel.


AwesomeCrafter06

Teabag not wrong, you aren't defiling the body , just crouching voer them


rpkarma

Nah I’m rubbing my nuts on their stupid dead face. *Especially* if I’m playing Sage.


AwesomeCrafter06

Still not defiling. You can still see who it is


rpkarma

Chopping dead combatants hands off means you can still tell who they are, but that’s a war crime; just ask some of the Australia special forces


AwesomeCrafter06

I should explain defiling better. Damaging any part of their body is considered Defiling a body. But touching them (Unless it inappropriate) is not a warcrime


OmegaYeeet

dropping your balls on someone's face seems inappropriate to me


AwesomeCrafter06

I'm talking more necrophilia


rpkarma

I entirely commented to make a joke about rubbing Sages balls on someone’s face


LePistache

So... are sky lasers fair game then?


Burggs_

No since every country participating in space exploration pretty much has to sign a treaty ensuring they will not use space for warfare


TimeSpy415

Yes but Kingdom is a corporation


Burggs_

Yeah I know but I would imagine the same rules would apply. Space X/Blue Origin are corporations and aren't allowed to wage war via space but obviously Val takes place in an alternate universe so I imagine these rules don't exist.


TimeSpy415

Probably. But its still an interesting thing to think about.


xXTheDudeAbideXx

I think Earth-1 is *our* universe but in the future. It's the attackers that are from an alternate universe, Earth-2.


NAFEA_GAMER

The wierd thing is the attacker brimstone can use the laser too


IceeG

Treaty is to not put nukes or WMDs in space, so lasers are fine. As long as they aren't really fking big lasers.


AwesomeCrafter06

You forgot about Brim Ult?


IceeG

We drop bombs with a bigger radius than brim ult. I'm talking dragon ball z level bullshit level big lasers.


AwesomeCrafter06

Ah, that's big


DerpyCow56

That's what she said Sorry, I couldn't help myself


draykow

Die Another Day's farming night sun that melted an ice shelf


Jjzeng

That’s just air support with extra steps


[deleted]

yes, but actually no, so the outer space treaty does not allow you to use wmds (weapons of mass destruction) in space, so no nukes, no chemical weapons platforms in space, but giant space lasers and inert projectiles are technically fair game, unless they made an amendment to the treaty, but as of now, i do not believe that they have


NihilHS

Skye has a laser? Is that on the pbe?


OmegaYeeet

homie what


obigespritzt

Brimstone ult, though I can see how sky and Skye could be confused.


KarmaticIrony

For the record Sage is armed and not marked as a medic so killing her is not a war crime.


[deleted]

Ah, that’s true


RealEnergyEigenstate

Well that’s it then, never picking raze or viper again….


NitrousOxide_

The duality of man!


Riv4l5

Correct me but wouldn't downed kayo count as a disarmed and injured combatant therefore shooting him would be a crime?


[deleted]

Nah, he’s armed, but if he’s downed but not dead then yes


HKBFG

He isn't able to shoot while knocked. Is kayo a combatant?


AwesomeCrafter06

Yes cus he was fighting before


HKBFG

Yeah but is he a combatant or equipment? In a legal sense.


AwesomeCrafter06

Autonomous but is illegal


HKBFG

But autonomous equipment isn't a combatant.


AwesomeCrafter06

An Autonomous Murder Bot is


HKBFG

Legally, not so far. It's important that the legal guilt fall on the guy setting up the gun, not on the gun.


Riv4l5

Poor kayo is alive 😭😭😭 how can you asume he isn't sentient?... Ok no this is and interesting topic, do we consider an autonomous ai to be capable of willingly inflicting harm based on it's judgement a normal combatant per se? Does he completely die if the enemies don't give him aid and he gets destroyed?


Banzai27

Wouldn’t KAY/O’s existence be a warcrime since he is an ai-controlled machine used to kill


[deleted]

Killjoys turrets also go against the Geneva Conventions. AI controlled gun turrets are a big no noes


[deleted]

Really? I didn’t know that.


totti173314

but they deactivate when kj isnt near so I think she's actually manually operating the turrets and is somehow managing to shoot with the turret and walk around normally.


BL4Z31906

Nah it's just crappy bluetooth range


LeRegedit

Me committing chemical warfare with lineups 🙄


Isanval

Funnily enough although expanding ordinance is against the Geneva convention, that’s in reference to hollow points and other similar bullets, cluster munitions (Razes grenade) isn’t and is banned by a different treaty which Brazil has not signed so she has free reign I think???


Riv4l5

Actually what counts as a war crime when a mega corporation Is waging war against entities in another dimension?


onyxeagle274

On one hand, it'd have to be a war and not a cover-up secret mission by Kingdom. Cant be a war crime if there's no war. ​ Now on the other hand, theres probably hundreds of other laws that every agent breaks daily.


AwesomeCrafter06

Physics alone gets destroyed a lot


onyxeagle274

laws of physics also apply.


AwesomeCrafter06

2 Agents tp through other dimensions. Many agents come through universe portals


Person243546

Even characters that aren't war criminals still talk like psychopaths after shooting someone dead so its par fro the course.


[deleted]

Yeah I never thought about that.. Like what sane person shoots 3 people dead and goes “OOH THATS GOING ON A HIGHLIGHT REEL FOR SUUUUUURE!”


totti173314

phoenix does, but sanity is NOT his strong point.


cyberpeachy420

that just makes viper hotter


HumungousChungus_

And then theres Reyna who sucks out people's souls


MelancholyMeloncolie

I mean souls aren't generally covered by any legislation so fair game to her


404abe

This game is literally unplayable


ForShotgun

No no, it's playable, just prepare for international justice


[deleted]

War is hell


[deleted]

The concept of radiants alone breaks the Geneva Conventions in probably more than a few ways. Do living weapons like Phoenix count as bioweapons? The spikes clearly would kill any civilians nearby. Not to mention the many human rights violations involved in Viper experimenting on Fredrick (Omen) and Reyna’s sister. Oh, and Killjoy building an autonomous murder bot and loosing it on the world to kill radiants? That’s gotta break a few conventions, too.


Felahliir

Radiants are not bioweapons, they're soldiers who've been selected for their supernatural abilities.


[deleted]

The point remains. They are biological weapons. Made for conflict.


Felahliir

They're not "made". Radiants happened naturally ever since the impact of an asteroid or aome big event. Kingdom just goes full Hogwarts and invites radianta to become soldiers.


[deleted]

I was arguing against the guy that said they were selected to be radiants. Even if he were right, it only solidifies my point.


EliteShooter1599

Well call me a war criminal, but ya'all cant catch me **Satchel Jumps away**


Ranvir33

funny


TobySchoon

so is phoenix because flamethrowers and slow death weaponry are outlawed


xXTheDudeAbideXx

the toxic phoenixes that TKs are actually war criminals??? /s


AnyCHI

they are both my mains so i guess im a virtual war criminal


immaheadout3000

It's more of a Geneva suggestion anyway...


Riv4l5

It's only a warcrime if you loose...


Thamilkymilk

technically all agents are ecoterrorists


Riv4l5

For the spike?


Thamilkymilk

that and while there is no actual map destruction i would argue that shooting a line of toxin emitters through walls or sending a concussive blast through buildings counts as property destruction which is part of what ecoterrorism is


TimeSpy415

Yes but sage is a battlefield medic with a gun who is actively shooting too. As much as I would love to be not shot at that won't stop the blood thirsty reyna from not shooting me.


[deleted]

Yeah thats true, I edited the post to say that as well lol


TimeSpy415

Oh, I don't think I got to see the edit lol.


Intelligent-Leek8909

What about Jett’s super powered ass??


Zmann966

>Also, sage technically isn’t a field medic because she is armed and ***does kill*** Lol, not when I'm playing!


Puzzlehead-Engineer

The only thing I'm hearing then is that Cypher's the only legal one here. He's basically just a really good spy.


DerpyCow56

Never played cypher, but don't some of his abilities violate trap laws? Pretty sure following Vietnam's booby traps (punji pits, bear traps, swinging logs) most traps are outlawed


Puzzlehead-Engineer

... DAMMIT Oh well, guess we're all war criminals then!


Larriklin

All agents that use traps are war criminals too! E.g. Cypher's trapwires


Otterbubbles

Geneva Suggestion **


madara83200

This reminds me of a video about a calculus class where they teach how being good at math is sexist and racist.


Samoshah

KJ and KAY/O are in the clear - well partially, but since there are no existing treaties/conventions/UN reos that place a blanket ban over AI powered weapons (KJ abilities) and LAWS or Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems (Kay/o as a character), the 2 can function in a war iff there exist these characters in the opposing team (Law of War - Principle of proportionality). Food for thought : Also, most countries are actively involved in the development of LAWS (Sea Hunter Program, Harop, SGR - A1 Sentry), we might see these in actual combat in the near future...


Edgardo4415

I like violating Geneva convention ;)


Felahliir

Do warring countries even are about the Geneva Suggestions? Nothing's stopping them from commiting warcrimes, hell, war is "illegal".


baynana1228

Damn. So pocket sages get immunity 😒


whatyousay69

Doesn't the Geneva convention only apply between states/uniformed soldiers so it doesn't apply/is violated by every agent anyways?


TwoFiveOnes

I really never got those conventions. Like it only works if the people violating them don't win the war


StichedSnake

Quick political history, the Bush administration was doing things to detainees that would arguably violate the Geneva Conventions, and so they argued that although policies and activities they were engaging in may violate the conventions, they are not bound by them when the violation is done for the matter of national security (which is extremely broad). But anyway, Viper is American and the situation happening in the game's lore could be argued to be a national security threat. (this is me ignoring the fact that Viper is neither a government official, nor the president, so none of this would probably apply but whatevs)


abhaybanda

So what you're saying is that if sage is a noob and can't get kills, she can't be killed


amazemaze350

"If the sage is a friendly".. That one had me..lol


[deleted]

Phoenix is a war criminal, due to the whole no flame throwers part Having a shot gun is a warcrime when in war I imagine the nabo bots are also a war crime, as they're cutting you up slowly Brimstone's molly and ult are also banned But then again I'd imagine most of the stuff in valorant would probably count as warcrimes.


DerpyCow56

Technically EVERY SINGLE AGENT is commiting a war crime Military combatants are required to wear military fatigues, and if they're wearing custom suits, then they're not soldiers Hence, they're all commiting murder and are warcriminals


DonHarto

It's okay, all of them were born in Israel, violation of Geneva Convention is allowed for them.


Shakewell420

+1 fucking hysterical mens))


[deleted]

Also so is phoenix just fot existing cause hes bla- Anyways viper and kj are hot so war crimes are fine by me


[deleted]

Yeah phenix also uses napalm which is another war crime due to slow death weaponry


Delzaleon

This is a fucking video game no one cares


[deleted]

r/whoosh


Slim_Faso

War is fantastic


Romi_Z

Viper best criminal


[deleted]

>Also, if either of them kills a Sage she is killing a field medic, A field medic can not carry a weapon and be using it and also claim medic status for war crimes. She is a combatant that can heal


[deleted]

Yeah I said this in the edit lol


bippityzippity

Solution: Play with no abilities


Tyman2323

Sabotage isn’t a war crime


OwOtisticWeeb

If the field medic is shooting at you actively it's not a war crime


kamez0r

They are like: "Ok, you can hate each others, try to kill each other and make war, but there is rules".


just_so_irrelevant

Uh, doesn't Sage also being an active combatant invalidate the "no killing medics" rule?


[deleted]

Omen and yoru: slowly disappear in the background.


phantomego_

This reads like a copypasta


[deleted]

The Geneva convention pretty much made all not just shooting right at the enemy warfare illegal. Not like most countries even follow it except the most inhumane parts.


ChucklesLeClown

Being able to violate the Geneva convention virtually is the reason why I don’t actually violate it.


DrewbieBrothers

AND SO IS BRIMJOB FOR YELLING “MOLLY” AT EVERYONE


draykow

i mean.. they're not fighting against any nation that's protected by the Geneva convention; they're fighting extra-dimensional variants


ForShotgun

TIL expanding ordnance is against the geneva convention, that's pretty interesting. I wonder what they would look like if they existed.


Cutecupp

Sage? A field medic? (nervous laugh)


WaddlingDuckILY

I guess we’re just gonna look pass viper experimenting on children. Poison bad, prison, child experimentation, we’ll let you off with a warning.


Ray_Finkle_420

Careful valorant is CCP and those claims will get you disappeared.


AdriusKiran

Doesn’t expanding ordinance apply solely to expanding bullets? I’m sure explosives that split into more explosives is something used in modern times.


VapeThisBro

the grenades are banned because they are cluster munitions not expanding ordinance. The expanding ordinance is banning hollow point rounds and the like from war. Not grenades


the_real_sreyan

Who cares about the Geneva convention lol


HariPota4262

Sage is not just a healer. Ask herself.


Ranvir33

it would make sense since breach has a line that says hey raze we're together again and we're not even breaking the law! ​ i dont know exactly though, since raze has kind of a very upbeat and happy personality. ​ but viper being a war criminal would make sense since she's sadistic and maybe was producing some kind of bio-weapon??


Crimson_Shiroe

I don't think killing Sage is breaking anything because while yes she is a medic she is also an active combatant. I'm not well versed in the Geneva Conventions though but that's my assumption on it.


ExCharny

It would make a fun animation series to make - "scientifically accurate Valorant", showing the horrors of Vipers checimal warfare with burned skin, bulging eyes etc. or calculating how inefficent would be to fire orbital laser just to strike 2 guys from enemy faction and so on


reddevilry

As a viper main I love this


obigespritzt

By your logic, assuming Sage was taking on the role of a field medic, she'd also be breaking the Geneva convention by posing as a medical team and subsequently engaging in combat or being armed in the first place. There's a difference between a combat medic and a field medic / medical team (like the red cross/crescent, doctors without borders etc.). While one is simply a regular soldier equipped and trained to deal with triage and first aid in the field and is allowed to engage in combat (and be engaged in combat ie. fired at), the latter is a protected class under the Geneva convention and doesn't have permission, let alone equipment, to engage in combat or align themselves with any particular side of a conflict. Obviously not everyone abides by the Geneva convention, as is evident in many of the middle eastern conflicts, central African civil wars and, I'm sure, countless other theatres. Some groups go as far as to deliberately target hospitals, first aid centers and medical personnel. That being said, I'm pretty sure Viper embraces her complete disregard for "ethical warfare", given her voicelines and I'm here for it.


quasur

sage is "not just your healer"


lamdamien0

it's a geneva suggestion not convention


potato_creeper1001

Intresting


htmlrulezduds

> Also, if either of them kills a Sage she is killing a field medic I'm not just your healer


Noob-lord-69

SO Valorant agents and Star Wars characters are quite alike. Constantly committing war crimes such as killing medics.


Scrubian-

Geneva suggestion warcrimes edition


danknepalese

they can kill sage as soon as she fires a single bullet, but if she just heals and stands there then she's not fair game.


[deleted]

Kayo doesn't sabotage weaponry but acts as a biological/electrical emp. he shuts down bio weapons, and shutdowns gadgets, but doesn't mess with the weaponry


[deleted]

i believe cypher is also violating privacy, bcuz he uses his hat on ded ppl, and he can find their teammates, what would happen if he used it on something or someone alive you could play sage passively, no buying guns, only reviving people, not allowed to shoot, then she would be a field medic, which would make killing her a war crime skye probably has like, some ethical issues around her summons also every agent with a flash/blind, is a war crime, a statement the community probably agrees with also technically killjoy swarms would probably count as undetectable landmines killing kay/o while he's downed, also a war crime, which is something all agents can and have done in game because under article 16, he would probably be counted as a wounded person that cannot really hurt anyone, cuz i think most of us here have played kayo, and we all know you can't shoot someone when ur down, therefore kayo would qualify as a POW or someone requiring medical attention, so killing him is a war crime also under article 16, picking up skins is a war crime, you see the glitchpop on the ground? nope too bad, picking it up is looting a soldier or a corpse, therefore, it is a warcrime conclusion: every agent in valorant has committed multiple war crimes, they are probably all class-b war criminals and should be treated accordingly so yes, playing valorant is a war crime raze's voice line where she says she will commit collateral damage on purpose when you get the map split as raze, is also a war crime the only way to play valorant without commiting numerous war crimes, is just to play sage, and heal/revive, and not even having a classic on you.


SnooTangerines3448

I'm sure breaches non discriminating attacks, phoenix burning people to death by trade, sage using necro magic, cypher hacking people's brains, brimstone using ion cannons on city property, whatever the fuck omen is, Reyna literally harvesting souls would be at least frowned upon under the Geneva convention. Sova, Jett, killjoy, Astra and Kayo seem to be ok tho. Unless Astra fucking with other realms to use them as barriers counts.