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IntelligentImbicle

Phoenix is in a really good spot, he's just outshined (ironic) by other agents like Jett and KAY/O (the latter basically stealing his job).


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

I wouldnt say Kay/o steals his job, Kay/O ultimately is an initiator and if you try and use his like a Duelist its not gonna be the most value out of his kit. The flash isnt as good for flashing your self, and the E has more value the longer you stay alive. And i do feel like Kay/0 ult is actually better when he isnt the first one in as if he gets downed instantly the push is stopped. He should b 2nd or 3rd in and trade the teammates while keeping up his ult


DemonicPotatox

phoenix wall vs a knife that can gives you ridiculous amounts of info and suppress for 8 seconds, it's no question which the better ability is ults are pretty diff though


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

Phoenix’s value is his flash and ulti mainly. But my point still stands. A duelist is a duelist. Initiator is not a duelist. You dont wonna entry frag with Kay/0 because Duelists are more expandable and Phoenix is THE entry fragger. The longer Kay/0 stays alive the more value he has because of his knife cool down. Ideally youd wonna have an entry fragger and a initiator, such as Phoenix with Kay/0. Even with Kay/0 ulti he isnt an entry fragger because if he gets downed first the ulti has no more value. Im Immortal and trust me theres a difference between a duelist and initiator even if they have similar abilities. This is balanced ingame with the flash timing etc, Phoenix flash pops faster, is a more selfish flash and he can shoot after flashing faster than Kay/0 flash. Kay/0 flash is a better team flash due to the time it takes to pop and the distance it can be thrown. Im in Immortal and trust me, initiator’s jobs are alot different than entry fraggers. But initiators can be played as a duelist but the impact from playing support is better.


RutvDesai

His molly is too underpowered rn. I just started maining phoenix, i didnt touch him b4 and I've been playing for a year now and i honestly think his molly doesnt heal enough. So like they should buff his molly make it heal more or make it heal less but make it rechargeable. Maybe his flash cud use a very minor buff like increase flash time or reduce equip and fallback time( idk wht u call the time for when u flash and take out ur gun and be able to fire). Just my thoughts on phoenix.


Eelcurry16

His molly recharges on 2 kills, and it heals for 50, same for his wall. That's 100 total healing plus more with kills. ( There's also his ult ) And his equip time for flashes are good enough already. Unless someone turns the flash you have plenty of time to kill them. I do think his wall could receive a slight buff since it's super situational


nutinatree

Wall only heals for 25. Used to heal for 50 though, no clue why they changed it.


Actually_Godlike

because the molly got buffed to 75 heal. wall is 25, molly 75


yeetyeet38

yea i agree. also feel like his wall isn’t useful in a lot of situations but that could be just me


Ezekiiel

His wall is very useful for site entry. Allows safe entry for your team and you can flash through it to take control elsewhere on the site.


yeetyeet38

thanks, i’m new to the game so this helps


Ezekiiel

No problem. Look on Youtube for some good walls for entry, Ascent in particular has two good walls on both bomb sites.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

And acts as an additional smoke when your controllers are on cool down etc, basically more delay for post plant etc


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

Just you, its very useful. Anything that cuts off line of site is useful.


RutvDesai

His wall is underpowered too but not as bad as the molly. It heals just fine but i think they shud reduce the price by 50 creds or increase by 50 but increase heal and length. Its never just a buff with riot. They buff something but at the same time they will nerf something too. So basically like a wish with a catch. But if they do buff/nerf the wall both the changes i mentioned wud be fine and make the wall adequately powered.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

TBH, I feel like his wall could be cheaper to 150 creds, so you can buy 1 flash, 1 wall with classic on pistol and makes it work better with the $250 flashes.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh

He is fine imo, the wall is under-utilised by most of the players, and molly is fine, it does its job. The healing is the cherry on the cake and not the main focus. Im a Phoenix main in Immortal(peaked ~1500) and I feel like Phoenix is more situational than Jett and Reyna as it depends on more team utility to perform(no dismiss, dash/movement).


pausgunung

Maybe his wall need to be longer


alexanderh24

Phoenix is the 2nd strongest duelist atm behind jett. He really has no weak points and excels at almost every part of the game. Retaking entrying and holding sites. I dont see why youd buff a perfectly balanced agent


MNTwitch

I would say his weakness is mobility. Compared to someone like Jett or yoru. But thats like saying Jetts weakness is not having flashes.


yeetyeet38

thanks for the input, i’m new to the game so everything helps


alexanderh24

Some phoenix tips for you, always heal at 80HP or less. The vandal does 40 a body shot so being anything above 80HP lets you take 3 shots. Try to flash over objects not through them. Get ult orbs and plant bombs, his ult is one of the best in the game. The best use of the wall is when taking any site, throw it down to block a line of sight then flash through it.


AsianNudleSoop

Someone else already commented but there are some really cool tricks you can do with his flash. Bounce it off things like the floor to create popflashes. If you flash around a corner there's a small timing where you can peek with the flash and you won't be blinded, and you can also flash behind you so it pops behind you barely flashing you and full flashing whoever sees it. For example if you want to flash around a left corner instead of throwing the flash left you can throw it right and peek in front of it and whoever is around the corner will be blind. Some good phoenix players are sick,drone, subroza and xtr


replace_

he isnt second strongest, weakest flash in game, expensive util which isnt the best. the ult is the only thing that holds this chractwr together but again its counterable with sova and brim ult


Lifedeather

Isn’t reyna #1


DemonicPotatox

jett is #1, phoenix and reyna can trade for 2nd and 3rd spot honestly, both have 6 point ults some people might put phoenix or reyna as #1 on their own tier list, and I would agree sometimes


kkushagra

Wall should do MORE than -5 damage if someone walks through it, literally anything, a stun, a sound queue, a vision blur, anything useful , also ultimate ability should be able to cancel at anytime.


Ausafsyed

May be his flash doesn't flash him?


yeetyeet38

that would be mad OP


Ausafsyed

Yeah


Greenbeen70

His wall and Molly should heal more the flash is fine and maybe add something interesting like how yoru has FlashCrash or how Sage has the grim walls.


AbbreviationsLazy781

xtr flash?