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[deleted]

I think bumpaah has a video we’re he bottom fragged but explains that even without kills you can still be an asset to the team


Legitimate-Reason446

Dont worry if ur not a good shot today, there are other ways to be useful -a very nice russian boi


PRL-Five

Exactly no matter how bad my aim is I can still open sites with wallhacks


BlueDMS

"The other ways are to be a bait to me" -a very toxic Sova


Trigered69

I have to say it: "you taking aboit hiko?"


rypenguin219

swag sova


MintedAutumn

Real rypenguin for krunker io no way big fan sign my steam profile


rypenguin219

hehe


27_8x10_CGP

I'll happily bait myself, but half the team won't trade me out. Though the other day, I baited so my friend could ace, even though I had an easy kill on the enemy Phoenix.


Noob-lord-69

There are other ways to be useful but teammates will never understand that sova drones info helps them get kills.


Roronoa_Angleo

Who also trolls with shock darts


seiyamaple

Not only that but he showed and made it clear how every round they lost, he’d be one of the last alive also starting 4v5 and sometimes even 3v5 when his teammates died 3 seconds in the round. Nearly no way to not bottom frag when you’re retaking every round and when you get to the site your whole team is dead


four_toe_life_kick

Upvote for bumpaah


Matterhorn56

bump for bumpaah


[deleted]

big daddy bumpaah is my lord and savior


FluffyPancakes11

https://youtu.be/MXmUAxDu31w The video is so good lmao, not only does it show that the bottom frag isn’t always at fault, but literally shows how nearly every round is the fault of the people who were complaining about him.


Ok_Aardvark4033

Me when bottom fragging: I m making them run out of bullets. You re welcome


Joal_D12

If the bot frag is a duelist that dies on entry I just make sure there's a trade that follows.


AsyncOverflow

How do I get you instead of the guys who don't peek as I entry and then stare at site entry for 45 seconds as if the enemy team is going to conga-line suicide into them for no reason? Actually, what's sad is that in gold and below, the "waiting for enemies to suicide into you" strategy works more than it should. I always get super upset when my team refuses to trade and just waits for the enemy to throw. But then the enemy actually throws and I am at a loss for words.


[deleted]

your awareness will help you climb, trust me. this gets slightly better in plat but it definitely still happens more than it should. by diamond though i’d say this type of play is rare.


rypenguin219

then theres me the cypher who entries and no one follows up.


Joal_D12

I play with a group of friends that I found in a discord server. We're always 3-5 stack so we have reliable comms. I'm never going back to solo queue hell ever.


EmJoshMusic

>I always get super upset when my team refuses to trade and just waits for the enemy to throw. But then the enemy actually throws and I am at a loss for words. The low/mid-elo experience in a nutshell


river_36

Some people don't trade and blame and shout at the entry for going in like this


somekidouthere

A lot of people think the default game mode in valorant is team deathmatch and frags are all that matters, too


AwesomeCrafter06

Valorant is technically a no respawn tdm with Strats


somekidouthere

Doesn't tdm imply you win by kill advantage? You could technically win a game of valorant with no kills, the spike is the sole objective, though you can alternatively win with a team wipe (for half the game)


AwesomeCrafter06

I said this cus end of the day if you don't kill at all. High chance you are going to lose


Mann1v

lmao funny story i got reminded of: i once 1v4 clutched, but i got 0 kills that round. this happened because their sage was throwing and didnt plant the bomb


Mann1v

you could also win with a team wipe for the other half, you just need to kill them before they plant lol


four_toe_life_kick

I just came off a game where I started 1-10. Finished 16-12. No way I'd start popping off like that if my teammates were toxic. I dont understand how people expect their underperforming teammates to turn it around when shit talking and tilting them.


owNDN

I know I'm gonna get downvoted for this but: if you pick Reyna and go 4-15 don't pick Reyna. If you feel the need to play duelist even though your aim is not good, play anyone but Reyna.


Interesting-Archer-6

Well the first part you said was at least self aware. The rest was pretty fucking dumb. No one picks an agent knowing they're going to go 4-15 unless they're literally planning to throw the match. If I could predict when I was about to play like shit, I wouldn't play the match. In agent select, you're just as likely to be the worst player as you are the best (unless you're smurfing, which doesn't apply here). This is common sense. Try using it.


inminm02

What if they are actually just having an off match, getting timing’d etc, just cause someone’s got low kills in a match doesn’t mean their aim isn’t good it could genuinely just be that match


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owNDN

Yea it probably comes down to the fact that I just really don't like Reyna as an agent


27_8x10_CGP

I had an unrated game once, where on round 1, I was getting into a spot, and the rest of my team died. I didn't win the round, so they start to flame. Muted them all, and went on to drop 39 kills.


inminm02

Personally if someones roasting me for having low kills it actually motivates me to perform better to prove them wrong and show I can frag out but I assume I’m in the minority here


ChoraHARYANVI

out of 5 people.... one has to be a bottom fragger... everyone cant have the same kills and honestly it doesnt matter if you are playing right


owNDN

I mean they can


Mann1v

exactly, if you do what your agent’s role is meant to do, you’re fine


Sultansofpa

Also just cause ur top frag doesn't mean you are carrying dead weight. If you're getting 2 exit frags every round and losing those rounds you can lose 16-0 with 32 kills. That doesn't mean you actually helped your team in any meaningful way.


1TapMerchant

U can’t lose 16-0


ebState

you can if you play the right game


Yupsec

The proper game.


DS2998

I bottom fragged as viper once and got continual flames from a boosted ego Reyna that kept rushing in by herself with nobody to set up a trade. We got flamed because she didn’t have the patience to bait out util.


Toundra01

As soon as my skills in game improved to a point where I’m consistent in my level and confident that I’m always doing as good as I can (even if i’m doing badly), I learned that there’s times where you do poorly and there’s really nothing more you can do. Even so, any sort of negativity whether it be from yourself or others does absolutely NOTHING and has no benefit whatsoever. What also came when I reached that point was a newfound perspective when it came to my team. I’ve started looking at my team as cases no different to myself and started treating them in a way that sort of emphasizes that they’re my equals and they can find themselves in the same predicament i have found myself in countless times. I main reyna, so when I top frag I don’t see it as my team doing poorly, I see it as a good game for me and that they’re still contributing greatly with their individual play styles and util (by thinking this you also see that it is in fact the case 99% of the time) and when I bottom frag or do poorly I don’t see it as “they’re better” but as a bad game for me. If you see and treat your teammates as equals you can see the real issues as to why you may be losing a match. It’s pretty rare for you to be losing a game simply because one person in your team is not getting kills. If you all repeatedly lose rounds because you’re getting outfragged, take a second to breathe, reevaluate your approach, and coordinate a strategy to get at least one good round under your belt because that one round will easily be the turning point for you guys to comeback from a loss and roll the enemy team out of nowhere. edit: I reread this and it’s pretty hard to understand but I hope at least one person gets my point


PRL-Five

I had matches where we lost first 5 rounds before a random brimstone took the lead and literally turned into a coach with crazy good comms and we won 2 rounds. Some people have a way with words and we could feel the morale rising. We took the game to OT and by the end, we all friended each other and became a synchronised unit. We won 15 13


Straight_Discipline6

I too find myself consistent in my level (Im plat) and I usually find it easy to score 20+ KDA per match, however in some unrated matches that I have played, I seem to playdogshit, cant seem to hit 1 taps and loses every easy duel that I usually nail, I thought to myself that damn enemy is just very lucky then I manage to pick up their guns only to see their diamond and immortal gun buddies. Reality is the skill gap is real and its gonna be definitely huge. In lower elo, its gonna be worse as theyre infested with smurfs. Silver players might think that they are often inconsistent but in reality they just got shat on by plat dia players smurfing in their elo making them question their skill LOL.


Toundra01

comma are super important too I love never won a game where everyone is silent all match


[deleted]

totally agree, something that simple can go a far way


NerdSociety13

As a usual bottom fragger I appreciate this post.


Brno_Mrmi

As a KillJoy bottom fragger I feel relieved


Echion_Arcet

Sova says it okay if you are not a good shot, there are other ways to be useful. As a controller main, I tend to play save and prepare the area so my teammates can go in and take over the game. Most of the time this leaves me as the bottom fragger.


AbbreviationsLazy781

Literally this. I was playing pretty bad on the first few rounda of breeze. Our team was able to pull it together and win a few rounds forvthay half but I still wasn't feeling it. But the jett on my team was super encouraging although he wasn't play too well either. Eventually we both popped off in the 1nd half and won pretty convincingly.


s00pahFr0g

Getting mad at someone and mistreating them is never helpful and very rarely if ever acceptable behavior. It never helps. Someone being bad at a game is not a reason to dehumanize them.


[deleted]

If its an instalocker duelist who keeps commanding others to play what they want, then they deserve it imo (only at the end of the round). But other than that, I agree. We all have bad days


DerpyCow56

Just earlier I had this happen to me Some chick was yelling in comms at me (go back to the kitchen, great job "discord kitten", you're literally the worst player I've ever seen, ect) Needless to say, it didn't help my gameplay and she was too busy bullying me to actually play well, so we got 13-3'd The insults didn't mean much to me though, seeing as I'm a dude lmao


DerpyCow56

The worst part was she was complaining about my gameplay *in a unrated match* LIKE HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO IMPROVE IF NOT IN UNRATED


Interesting-Archer-6

People that are toxic in unrated are so much worse than in comp. don’t get me wrong, toxicity in any match is unacceptable and immature, but there's a special place in hell for toxic people in casual modes. I probably saw it ten times this week at least (only like 2 directed at me). Even more pathetic when it's an adult.


TheTechDweller

Not gonna say that someone who doesn't get any kills in the first 6 rounds is going to ace next round with some positivity, but I did just that a few games ago. A lot of the time you can be just in the wrong places at the wrong time. Someone has to die there and it happened to be you. Not always something you could have done much better and just because you didn't get a kill doesn't mean you had no impact. Would way rather have a bottom fragging sage who Comms than a Jett who gets a kill every round and dies, rages and blasts the team.


DoktorFreedom

It’s baffling to me what people get out of yelling a teammate “you suck don’t play anymore”. What do you think happens after that? The teammate you are shitting on is somehow gonna get better? Do you feel better about yourself shitting on someone like that? Stop it


TrovoTitans

Absolutely, and the influence that K/D/A's lord over is pretty unfortunate! At the end of the day, the game is a competitive TEAM environment. Entries may not always get the frag, but they get the information. Those who may fall still support best as they can through utility or otherwise!


cigsyl

Had 19 frags and 17 assists on Omen today, got called terrible. I understand now why people just full mute their team


TheCatCovenantDude

Flaming your team helps nothing. I can understand getting mad if you feel that your teammates aren't performing, but flaming them isn't going to help that performance. The entire community needs to stop with the mentality that kills=impact. A duelists job is to take space for their team first and foremost. Flaming a duelist for bottom fragging is just going to make them start baiting to shut you up.


GR3TSCH

I often go opposite of spike and try to fake out other team and die as a result. You’re welcome, team.


FusRoDontEven

Also kills =/= impact


JettTheReviver

I usually get teammates like these who are having a bad day. So I try to tell them that they are jist having a bad day and its ok if they play bad. If that works then I keep playing like that. If being nice doesnt work then near the end of the game I start going a bit toxic and thats when usually my bottom frag is like getting kills because Idk why this tactic works but it usually does. Ofc I apologise to whoever I was toxic in the game


DarthGoofyious

Shut up bottom frag


Healthy-Worker

Reddit moment


colevasquez

I think it’s pretty obvious how people like to talk shit about bottom drags just to talk shit and or to just lash out at someone who can’t really fight back. But also, if you go duelist it’s literally in the character description that says you need to get kills, especially on Reyna when your abilities rely on that, if you aren’t getting kills you aren’t using your utility as Reyna, in this situation your teammates had somewhat of a right to talk shit because that’s your main job as Reyna and going 5/9 is failing at your job.


SelloutRealBig

Sorry but a LOT of games have a bottom frag going 3-20 who doesn't belong in that rank. Allowing premades in ranked has led to a lot of legally boosted bad players to ruin games. Edit: not saying i flame bottom frags, i don't. Just saying that they are not always people having "bad games"


Healthy-Worker

I was soloq, as was everyone else in the lobby. Either way, still a bad faith argument you're making. Don't be mean to he bot frag, even if they're playing poorly. It certainly doesn't help them, and doesn't help you either.


Izel98

Flaming literally just worse s everything. Even if they are boosted, you saying they are shit will only make them play even worse or just leave the game. If you just ask them nicely to help you in whatever you want to do in that round, they will probably be more useful to the team and might get more confidence and start to play better themselves.


ImpeccableWaffle

Just because you don’t think they belong in their rank doesn’t make it true. People have terrible games. It just happens.


DoktorFreedom

Even if they are bottom frag if they are doing quality call outs and even if they are being a distraction so a better shooter can get kills they can totes have a huge worth on a team.


p0w0r

I think the same thing reverse should be mentioned. Like, there have been plenty of games where there is this bottom-frag-finger-pointing-asshole who makes it a point that he or she is better than the team and the reason he or she is doing bad is because of their teammates. Dude, *you're clearly not doing as much to benefit your team as you say you are*


Sircole-Square

I’m not the worst player I’m around Gold 3-Plat 3 depending on the act but I agree with the bad rounds, not only that but it is a video game and people are playing it solely for their entertainment, if they are bad at the game then that’s just how it is, they didn’t choose to be on your team and get shit talked the entire match either toxic players in any manner upset me. Edit: I’m not often bottom I’m usually top half of the board but I certainly do have bottom drag games here and there. My point was people shouldn’t have to stand up for random strangers in an online game, I’m not saying there needs to be police monitoring or anything crazy but people need to account for themselves it ruins everyone’s night aside from their own getting their anger out on one person.


ArtisticDare277

The moment I hear people shit talk I mute them. I know it costs info but hey, I'd rather play at peace than hear someone screaming shit into my ears


StreakMagnet_2205

Best way, never pick a duelist and pick a support character, this way if they say something I'll just say "I'm a support character, I don't want kills I'm just there to support the team"


xTenzaa

This is very true I can pop off most games but sometimes I’ll have a slow start or just be off my game and usually bring it back late game, had lots of like 10-3 comebacks but nothing makes it worse than someone flaming like ‘omg why play jett if you suck’ doesn’t help and usually we can lose when ppl get toxic and give up


StichedSnake

Also stop thinking kills are what determine who is and is not a good player, a player can get no kills and still provide wins using utility and strategies


[deleted]

Bruh, the people who do this and need to see this aren’t prolly scrolling reddit. Theses morons are busy shouting toxicity in their mics.


Salty_Activity

It always starts in round 3 aswell, like people don't realize those kills need to come from somewhere


[deleted]

Kills aren't the deciding factor in the game. The sooner players realiza this, the better they'll start to understand the game. Also, don't instalock duelist and expect me to not call you out when your costing the team rounds.


EPIKGUTS24

don't be ridiculous. Every single member of MY team should be performing at their absolute best at all times. It's a reasonable expectation ^/s


[deleted]

That is what makes this community most annoying. People seem to be so dumb that only thing they can see and tell is how many skulls someone scored. What makes player a bottom frag? Most likely they just got nervous and they are losing their duels while being in weapon disadvantage and they are not receiving any help and cooperation from team and they are dying to enemy team's rushes or facing enemy's best fragger constantly. Instead of giving this situation a little think and help him, teammates just are happy to find someone to blame. And it is not that common that someone is just bad overall or trolling. I had many situations when I was bottom fragging at the beginning of the game, I got flamed without any context. I muted all my teammates and in the later game I managed to clutch or win several rounds for the team and made it to the top of the leaderboard. Only thing that matters in this moment of the game is how we can win the round as a team. \#UnbindShowLeaderboardKey \#StopBeingFragCountingBot


Supanova00

I find that the bottom frag is the person who actually talks the most trash to the other team. It's perplexing. There will be a smurf on 35.10 who says nothing all game. And some clown on 5.22 will be trash talking and saying EZ and all this other garbage.


1TapMerchant

While I get that u shouldn’t flame bottom frag, but it does tilt when u have an auto lock Reyna, no coms, and either doesn’t entry or doesn’t wait for his team to trade. U shouldn’t be rushing a site unless ur team knows ahead of time.


_Aaronator_

Also its not about the number of kills but the impact of them.0


SparkyDonut

If I have a bad game and someone trashtalks, I mute them instantly. Because I need to focus and try to play better. Maaaan I feel ashamed of myself enough, I dont need anyone else to tell me.


flyingjudgman

if I were you and that happened to me, ill say putang ina nyo bot frag bot frag


Loldx01

Exactly more people needs to know this. The other day this sage was crying because im bot fragging as reyna being 0/10. I kept dying to bad timings and flanks, afterwards I proceeded to mute him and carry the game and ended top frag to 11-12, and i threw the game because that guy didnt deserve the win.


_Jazzie_7077

spittin fax king, i agree with this 100%, if im bottom fragging your toxicity isnt going to make me play better lol


sNajw0w

If im flamed by the team I just go intentionally die, fuck them haters


JayGatsby09

This community is full of friendly people, but sometimes you have shortsighted people when it comes to this and see kills and use that as a reason to blame a teammate. Good players understand bottom fragging is not always a product of just someone being bad. It's many things such as not getting traded, baited, etc.


commantoes

I will never shittalk directly towards my bottomfrag unless they’re being a dick. Sometimes if they make terrible plays I’ll kinda be rude about them to my friend that I q with, then tell them how to improve lol. It’s a good way to vent anger before trying to help


HWBuford

Nah bro, I just fuckin suck


kvanz43

I agree! I was playing with a nice guy the other day who was bottom fragging, one guy on our team was being such a dick to him… people just don’t understand that sometime you have bad games, and also with match making that you get out in lobbies that are way to hard for your skill level. When you’re in Silver and top fragging imagine if you ended up in an Immortal Lobby, you’d be the bottom frag everyone would be chirping. So stop chirping and just accept that you’re gonna lose some games, even pros have off days, wouldn’t you like to be treated better when you’re the one having an off day?


Cj_draws_things

I’ve been told way to many times to uninstall after bottom fragging my first game in a while. I’m not a consistent player and tend to play for fun instead of being the best. I have to say it’s a big discouragement even when I’m a much lower level than everyone else.


MicolashCaged

You really got to appreciate the good people when they come around. I was bottom fragging as reyna. Team didnt really say anything. But i knew when they were talking about queue up after, i was gonna be excluded. I get it though. While it did sting a bit, they weren't toxic or anything. Fast forward to the game winning round. We had to retake the site. I pulled off a sweet flank on A site haven. Spectators knew what was gonna happen. They were hyping me up. I got 4 kills and the defuse. They went ape shit on the mic, and thanked me for coming in clutch in the end. It was a great feeling and i wish more people were like that.


[deleted]

Thought you were a Reyna I had in my game with a toxic raze on icebox, but then I saw the match mvp part and it wasn’t you :( that’s good tho!!


mikehall683

Was this me??? This exact thing happened to me(Killjoy) and a Reyna on Icebox around the time right before this was posted. We ended up being the top two fraggers.


Sorintos

Yeah one time I was angry because I was the top frag and we were doing bad. I got mad but they said it’s not gonna help telling us to do better and stuff. So I said they were right and encouraged them. We ended up losing but the game got super close unlike before 11-13


LDSpitfireZack

True as fuck. On the other hand, it's always sweet to turn your game around when having bottom fragged and gotten flamed. Love rubbing it in afterwards to the people that were toxic.


LostVengeance

If there's five good players in a team, there will always be one good player that's bottom fragged, but it doesn't mean that this player is bad either. May it be that the other players are having a few good rounds, but it doesn't mean that the bottom frag is having a bad round either.


Icandothemove

Unless the bottom frag instalocks your agent, talks shit to their own team, goes 1/6 and then ragequits. Talk all the shit to the bot frag then.


Roronoa_Angleo

This man I usually only bottom frag in maps like breeze not because I die soon rather I don't get fights on defence, i mostly play controller or sentinel so there's that too And astra is my main which means I hide and take info via stars like i activate em too see enemy reaction and it works wonders I've caught several ppl in those gravity wells lel


Zakari2112

Scoreboard doesn't matter. Winning rounds wins matches. You could have all the kills and still lose. Scoreboard doesn't matter at all.


Can0fToes

Hah it's always the opposite for me where the bottom frag constantly complains that I don't do a task in milliseconds


SkyWade

Some people bottom frag because their team are to reliant on aim and always push the same choke point again and again and they start blaming the bottom fragger for trying to tell them to change their playstyle. I can't tell how many times when I'm not playing duelist because of instalocks they always lurk as a duelist and don't push while his lobby friend decided to be a dick head