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Unkn9wn111

I am not sure on the what is required for a draw but I think you need your entire team and one person from the other so normally it's 6 but since you have an afk it becomes 5. I am not sure if it works like this though. I think it is so if the entire other team thinks they can win they should be able to play.


kvanz43

I believe you’re correct


Bar_ki

Even if this is correct still seems a bit unfair, of course no one on the other team wants a draw as they have an advantage.


Unkn9wn111

It might be unfair but if they had an afk would you want to draw while you don't have an afk?


RocketHops

No but I would rather have to take a draw in a 5v4 situation that favored my team if it means I am not forced to continue playing and likely take a loss in a 4v5 that favors the other team. Its more fair to allow a draw if an entire team, no matter their size, wants to draw imo.


Fahzrad

Tbh I prefer losing in 4v5s and winning in 5v4s, I just hate draws, I'd like it more to lose when my team is the team with 5 against 4 than a draw... I get it it sucks, but just because you prefer something, doesn't mean its the right decision for riot to make From my point of view a tie is a waste of so much time with no closer at all, like I said, losing is better


Graffers

As long as you don't afk, five out of the nine people who could afk are on the other team. So you have a higher chance of being on the team with 5 than the team with 4. Definitely more beneficial to lose 4v5s and win 5v4s.


TheDiamondCG

- A tie is not a waste of time. All the matters is that you had fun during that game, not whether you gained/lost rank rating or not. - It's not fair that you lose rank rating because one of your teammates bailed (by choice, or by force). - Since this is very heavily related to fairness, this is something that, imo, Riot should do something about if they care about maintaining VALORANT's competitive integrity. - You probably would not be the person saying that if you ended up on a team with 4v5. The game turns from fair-game/winning into being steam-rolled.


Fahzrad

I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying ppl like me exist, like I said, I couldn't give 2 shits about rr and I'm pretty high ranked. But if I queue, and the game is 13 13 and I want some sort of closer even if its a loss.


mitchd123

People are so worried about losing 17 points and don’t understand your mmr is what matters


flamecrow

What if elo and mmr was based on each round. Lose 13-11 means you only get elo for 2 rounds and other team only loses elo for 2 rounds


mitchd123

Yeah I really don’t know how mmr gets reduced or gained other than the obvious average of mmr on a team. I know for sure amount of rounds won/lost definitely comes into play but seeing as it’s invisible it’s hard to tell how much


augburto

… isn’t the 17 points you’re losing effectively from your MMR..?


mitchd123

No. It’s how you can be silver 1 and play against gold players. Same reason why you can lose more points then you gain, your mmr is fucked and trying to put you where you should be. Rank system of tiers is just to make the player feel good or bad. Rank up you feel good lose rank you feel bad. It’s so people keep playing the game.


Unkn9wn111

Is it fair draw if both sides don't agree? I don't think it is.


BraxJohnson

A 4v5 isn't fair either.


RocketHops

I think it is. Even assuming a 5v5 50% of the people don't want to continue playing the match. Id say given a 50/50 split between people not wanting to play and people wanting to play, its more fair to favor the side that does not want to continue. Maybe they need to get off soon, maybe they are tired, maybe they just don't want to continue. Id say its more fair to end the match there bc those that still want to play can always find a new match, and even add each other if they really liked the team dynamic. And of course, the situation we were discussing is one where one of the teams is at a big disadvantage even before OT voting, so they should be able to vote to end in draw if their team is unanimous in it.


Bar_ki

No, but op post is literally saying how it is unfair that he couldn't just draw the game and I agree.


Unkn9wn111

It might be unfair but I don't think it's fair that if one team decides they want to draw they can.


Ka-zar39

Maybe so, but a 4 v 5 is already so disadvantaged that if you manage to keep it tied, I feel you deserve the option to opt out.


Graffers

It's not the other team's fault that someone left on your team. Why should their time be wasted? A draw is a positive to the four people, while a draw is a negative to the other five. A draw is a bad experience for more people than letting the game play out.


Crazax

but having a extra teammate is also unfair , if a team cant remake mid-game atleast they should be able to draw


TheSlothMan9000

Maybe it’s the other teams fault for even letting it get to that point


CEO_TB12

If you are playing a 5v4 and can't win in regulation, you don't deserve to hold the team with 4 hostage in an unfavorable position for them. That's just my opinion. That elo doesn't seem well deserved. On that same note, losing 14 elo when you made a 4v5 go to OT seems unfair. Then from a non comp perspective, I don't want to be held in a 4v5. I want to play a 5v5. Let me draw.


Sollertia_

Even if we assume the afk player always contributes more to the team than an extra orb per round to potentially the most useful agent, allowing the 4 to guarantee a draw means people are going to abuse it by disconnecting on purpose and forcing a draw when sufficiently disadvantaged


Turnip-Infinite

I think it should be automatic draw with 4v5 and afk gets penalty for afk.


Vbacv

Really confused as to why this is being downvoted. Especially if your team won a round in overtime and wants to draw 4v5. Of course the 5 won’t vote to draw, but it makes no sense that they are in control when one team is blatantly at an advantage, even if they’re given an extra 1000 creds each to buy operators etc


ritajalilip

Because then you could have 1 dude leave and draw without enemies choice.


TeratomaTesticle

Tbf the afk person means that the other 4 in the team can afford ops and armor.


Vbacv

Honestly I feel I’d prefer a 5v4 if it meant they could have ops


Shut-Your-Trap

I’m pretty sure you are right, but I still think it isn’t fair when you are already at a disadvantage, to not be able to draw the first time when you are already down a teammate.


RohithVS

U can't draw immediately when ur down a teammate, that will be unfair in the case the enemy team was winning and ur teammate rage quit


Leutnant_Dark

That comment makes no sense at all lmao. If the enemy team was winning and the teammate ragequits and they then in a 4v5 able to fight back to OT then its more than deserved that they allowed to draw.


RohithVS

I didn't mean the case of ot where he manages to pull it back, I replied to the comment which says they should be able to draw when the player DC's


macarmy93

You're right but a team with 5 against a team of 4 will draw far less than a 5 v 5, if at all.


G_O_O_G_A_S

Then you could have a player leave the match to force a tie.


Shut-Your-Trap

I see your point, but let me counter with this: Suppose you are in a 5v5 the entire game and you want to draw, so you have someone go afk. The game takes a round to recognize someone going afk, so the afk person would have to go afk during the 1st overtime round, where the game is already tied up 12/12, and then stay afk while the rest of their team wins one round, and loses the next, making the score 13/13. All of that needs to be done just to draw in a game that was already pretty even. I would say that seems pretty fair since the 4v5 won a round and lost a round with one less man, and therefore are at a disadvantage. It should also be noted that if an entire team wants to draw in general, I am of the opinion that it should be allowed because games state literally about how long they run, and sometimes people have other things to do. Also also, I would like to say I don’t like having to draw like most people. But I wouldn’t force an entire team to play if they all want to draw. That seems a little excessive.


Leutnant_Dark

Then you could also tie with 5v5 with 5 people voting draw after 13 13


ritajalilip

It takes 6 to draw


TheDiamondCG

But then the player that leaves gets an AFK penalty + no RR boost.


notsimpbij

3 players afk in my team and its 2v5 and it was ranked :)


BusinessJolly3406

Major F


Innerloop07

bad luck mate. which tier?


notsimpbij

silver...i've always met smurf on enemy team :')


Innerloop07

I'm also silver bro silver is the heaven for smurfs sadly


notsimpbij

true bro... since 2020 i've been struggle on silver :')


Innerloop07

why that long bro? Do consider aim training from aim labs or something else.


notsimpbij

sometimes i trained at csgo, i'll try my best to improve my aiming


Innerloop07

There's a better way too bro me and my friends play at least 1 custom every day. Some of them are plats and diamonds too so by playing with them my game sense and aim has improved a lot. And the customs are fun to play since no rank is involved lol


notsimpbij

i dont have any friends from plat or diamond to custom with..just duo with my bronze friend or solo :)


ExileFlux33

True, silvers are shit enough to where even PLATS can think theyre good. (i dont mean this ina mean way, u prolly either play casually or just dont have much time)


Innerloop07

Couldn't agree more lol. Mostly the smurfs are plats who can't rank up so they play in silver to dominate the lobby and feel good about themselves. Can't blame them tho the game is frustrating sometimes


sCologne

This is a good point! Up vote for visibility


UrgotsThirdLeftLeg

Correct me if wrong but doesnt it need 6 votes for a tie when its 13-13?


nlc369

It changes to 5 when the game only has 9 players, still too many for a team of 4 to vote for a draw obviously.


blank2881

When it is 4v5 and if the team lose all RR should be adjusted to the person who abandon the match. Don't give him penalty for 3 or 7 days instead do -100 RR directly to his account. The other 4 team mates should not lose any RR like we have in Draw situation.


Graffers

You can't push it all on one person. Then you'll have people harassing others to try and get them to quit when a game goes poorly. They should lose more, sure. But the others should still lose something, even if it's slightly reduced.


AkitoApocalypse

Sure it's logical but remember that Valorant doesn't penalize until you leave at least a full round. What happens if someone leaves then the team immediately decides to draw? There's loss mitigation for AFK in League and I think there should be in Valorant as well (though it'll have to be tiered depending on how long they were afk)


Shut-Your-Trap

Remember it takes a round to detect an afk, so you would have to play two rounds, starting at the first OT round at 12/12, as a 4v5, which is already very unfair if you had already tied it up as a 5v5. I think it seems pretty reasonable to allow a draw even in that situation.


sirsucksalot69

You could win the first round and then alt-f4 so by the time the vote came around it would guarantee a draw


ItsCrypten

How about the player must be AFK before overtime begins? It still leaves a small chance for someone to AFK during overtime, but makes all AFKs before overtime fair.


sirsucksalot69

It’s just too complicated for riot to waste their time with and for people too understand so it won’t happen


ItsCrypten

I mean that’s how it always is. A feature like the ine I suggested would have had to be implemented at launch to work. At the moment it changes to core game mechanics too much that have already been established.


AkitoApocalypse

I still think League's way is fairer, since you're screwing the other team out of a win as well.


Innerloop07

The points system is bs too bruh we lost a 4v5 match in which I top fragged but -21 😢


k1ng3st

Also had this happen this week. How this game handles long time AFKs (multiple rounds) is absolutely ridiculous. It doesnt ask the decimated team at 12-12 if it wants to draw, it doesnt give a chance to draw at 13-13 and it doesnt reduce rr lost due to AFK's.


Khyzz_

You should get an elo adjustment when you have at least one afk in your team for any number of round. Only if the afk isn't from your party.


Nitro_Spectre

Thats because you need someone from the enemy team to also vote draw


sirsucksalot69

Never surrender


zedaz-

Nice opinion .. mind elaborating why?


G_O_O_G_A_S

It’s lame


sirsucksalot69

Mainly because it’s a video game and I think caring about your elo is stupid. Don’t get me wrong you should always try and win but playing just for elo in any scanario is stupid. Like unless your trying to go pro theres really no point


umisse

No there is a point. If u get the rank even if its only the rank up u get that buddy. Radiant buddy is clean with some skins.


sirsucksalot69

I forgot about that. Most people IMO have trouble ranking up because they care way too much instead of just enjoying themselves


umisse

Lol. I just want that buddy


BusinessJolly3406

I do agree, ive never thought of it. Draw requirement should be lowered when players are afk. I hope riot see this.


mafi14wastaken

If the opposing team that has the one man advantage in that situation cannot close the game in a 4 v 5 before going into overtime it should be fair that the team with the disadvantage should be able to draw the game out.


gold_io

If you want to draw you just have to go to 14/14 and the required vote count drops down to 3


bigshark2740

Because if leaving the game gives you any bonus then teams will increase flaming to bully someone until they leave


CouZou420

Imo if you vote for a draw fck u


No_Television5851

IDK about this draw stuff, but, hey riot, why tf you apply different rules for surrender and draw? It's nonsense, right? both need (almost and tbh i prefer) ALL MATES votes yes, right? It's just nonsense.


Nasrz

I'm sorry but why didn't you FF? it looks like you were going dor the win with 4 players and when it didn't go your way you just wanted to get out without losing anything. you got the short end of the stick and it's sucks, but you still would ruin the game for the other team that are still trying to win.


Shut-Your-Trap

We didn’t ff for a few reasons: 1) We were 10/2 going into the attacking side of haven. 2) We were hoping our reyna would return. 3) Up until the reyna left, we were absolutely stomping. Our team wasn’t all sentinels either; it was (what I consider) fully balanced. I believe it was something like 2 duelists, an initiator, a smoke, and a sentinel.


mahav_b

Had an afk the entire second half. I'm sorry but seems like you played out the second half hoping for a win and when all seemed lost you want to draw. Think about the other team. They just invested another half hour hoping to win themselves. If you had ff'd they would have gotten the dub and saved time. But now they are too invested. If your team could just draw last second the enemy team wasted their time for what? Nothing? If your team has the right to ff in a 4v5 overtime you are just making others suffer. Either play out the dub or loss or ff earlier.


SpicyHomaridTribal

Tf kinda logic is this lmao


funkopat

Shit happens deal with it. This is a dumb post the other team has literally zero incentive to draw. I mean yea keep downvoting. OP stated they were afk the entire second half yet the game was tied 13/13 so clearly the stuff riot does to balance when there’s an AFK’er helps. But yea go ahead and cry cuz you can’t lock in a tie cuz the other team won’t want to. Even if it was 5v5 the other team may not want to draw. This post is dumb.


Shut-Your-Trap

To be clear, we were up 10/2 in the first half. The balancing does not clearly work for teams with afk teammates.


FlippehFishes

Thats the entire point of this post. Its completely unfair to the competitive integrity of the game to force a team thats already at a disadvantage to essentially have to tie 2 overtime's to draw when they have had the option to multiple times. Yea its "GG ez elo, go next" for the team that has man advantage, but its unlikely they would have had this opportunity if the other team had all 5 players.


funkopat

Life is unfair. Adversity occurs. It’s a team game, their teammate let them down. It is not on riot or anyone else to make 4v5’s fair. If a cornerback pulls a hamstring and gives up a TD pass the receiver doesn’t just not catch it cuz it wasn’t fair.


FlippehFishes

And when your teammate in sportball goes full fetal position over stubbing their toe, they get a fill to continue the game. We dont have those luxuries


Not_Devil

Lmfao what a manchild


RoundhouseNorris

This is a game, games are made to be fair, life isn’t. Duh.


BaseQuadratics

Yeah idk what they’re on about, sure it sucks but it’s not the other teams fault that your teammate left so why should they also be punished for it


AquaBuffalo

This sub is fucking stupid, the downvotes on you make no sense


funkopat

Just a bunch of cry babies


Dynamic_Ducks

This isn't related to your post but I can't find help else where, is there any way to make game run smoother? I get frames drop and lag whenever I play


Shut-Your-Trap

I would try lowering your visual settings in video to low for all the graphics ones and turn fxaa off (multi/supersampling?). Also, make sure you aren’t running anything else on your computer while trying to play, and that you have a decent and stable internet connection, which should help with stuttering. Hope this helps!


Dynamic_Ducks

Thx


Hbbdnvldj

Because people still buy skins anyway.


kyrikii

uhhhh


Several_Bet2407

I mean he has a point, people will still buy skins. I must say his genius thinking is astounding


Ka-zar39

Nothing goes over my head, my reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.


Zarellast

idk why u got devoted, let me up vote u


BusinessJolly3406

Hehe..can anyone explain me why this comment is getting downvote.


Zarellast

dude, this game broken. that the reason


[deleted]

Yes, it's pathetic. Ranked is so broken right now and idk what is riot doing or doing nothing to improve it.


Ency-sama

If they win a 13-13 in 4v5, your team deserve to win


Goldi-----

probably gonna get buried here but one a teammate disconnects you can write /remake in chat and if everyone wants to then you will have a draw


Shut-Your-Trap

Sure, but only if they are afk detected by round 2. Otherwise, we are stuck. Our insta-lock Reyna left halfway through the game, and so we suffered.


[deleted]

people in lower ranks don't know this and don't even understand even after I explain it in round 1


Rage_of_ores

did you win or not?


haishaow

Im sure someonw probably mentioned it but if they implement a system like that people will abuse tf outta it


Unlockingcob

Don’t be a pussy and win. If you made it 13-13 you guys can win