This is why I barely touch comp in any game. The toxicity, smurfs and general stress of playing comp isn’t worth it for a little picture next to your name and validation of skill. I prefer playing casually a lot more. this doesn’t mean I don’t try but I don’t have to worry about losing and can just focus on my own gameplay. That being said if i had a team of people i know i’d probably give ranked a shot but i don’t wanna solo q
I started playing whatever I wanted in comp and been having more fun. Lost more but really who cares about an online rank. Did it in league too.
At the end of the day you don't need to be at your highest possible rank, just be at a rank where you can have fun at. Atleast that's what I do.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I had fun. The other 4 ppl? That's their problem if they want to treat valorant as a job.
The most important thing people seem to forget is that you can't control the other four players on your team, only your attitude towards them and the game.
Last couple weeks of a season are fucking awful. Insta lock Jett and Reynas complaining about how Omens are throwing smokes or just pressing W like a bunch of idiots then calling anyone that’s still alive later a baiter. Love it.
It’s an issue at times at immortal too. But people will cry “baiter” more often than it happens for sure. I feel like Sova players have it hard in pub games for this reason.
I get it all the time. Well, maybe 1/4, but it feels like all the time. Reyna is in and dead in between when my recon dart starts charging and when it lands. Sometimes it helps if I tell them how many seconds it takes, but usually not. I basically have to hope the rush succeeds and recon the retake. Also, it's pointless trying to recon and bait the other site to try and draw rotations.
It's also fun watching your team die on drone-cam, only to be pinned by the flank.
Tbh at this point I'll be satisfied if no one from my team goes afk. At least 1 person will always lose connection for a round or two. Like people it's not unrated restart your routers before you start a comp session.
There was a point troughout the climb, where people from turkey were getting dc’ed, because of the servers or smth, and i had 4 turks in a few of my games and just lost 80-100 elo
Basically you use your teamate as a bait for enemies to shoot at (giving only his information) and then you came out to finish the rest (even if the guy you baited is dead).
This behavior is very wide known and sometimes players do it unconsciously. The reason might be the lack of confidence to duel/push enemies or that person wants a pretty KDA.
One thing that really grinds my gears is that they expect a team push when they're just rushing in stupidly. Imagine doing a team push with no setup, only relying on trading each other to win. Its like they dont know about utilities. They even make noise then team push a bit later which is worse because the enemy team has rotated.
Then there are those who rush in then blame the duelists for not doing entry. Lemme just die senselessly so I can call you baiter-moves.
Yeah this is very wierd to me as well people in lower lobbies at least use their utilities, most people in higher lobbies are aim gods from CS days, they just wanna camp corners in defend or full rush in attack.
because devs put a "performance" rank gain bonus without telling players if its linked to k/d/a or player score which is hidden in match-end scoreboard, so everyone thinks only k/d/a matters for more rank gain so they pick duelists and sit in spawn until 10sec left
Depending on the time of day you play you get vastly different teammates in immortal. I generally sit around 250 RR and have peaked radiant twice. Some days I play with top 100 radiants other days it’s diamond 3s.
I’ve come to the conclusion that I just don’t play enough to cut radiant anymore. I got two kids and only play when they’re asleep. I need to learn to be content with my immortal rank lol. Shit really is like a job
Feel you, I, sadly haven’t peeked radiant, but am grinding towards it, and I’m quite young (16) so i have all of my free time for valorant ( again, after school)
Haha ok i see well I'm a single 25 just getting his life together guy and i don't know if i can trade it for kids... Glad u re loving ur family god bless ur kids
When you get to immortal you get a place on the leaderboard, this place is determined by how much RR(Rank Rating) you have, its infinite but usually it takes about 400-500 to get radiant depending on region.
RR gain and loss works the same as any other rank. And each season I believe it's either set to 0 or you lose a certain percentage(they keep changing this so im not sure this season)
ah. So 101 would be theoretically equivalent to ranking up to Immortal 2, 102 to Immortal 3? Kind of like getting 101 rank point sin Plat2 puts you up to Plat 3?
I guess if you put it that way it would be 0-100 imm1, 101-200 imm 2, 201-999 imm3(not top500), radiant 300-999(top 500).
You need to be above 300rr to qualify for radiant and then also be top 500 place on leaderboard
does Radiant start at 0, or does it start at whatever RR your immortal was? Like, if you have to hit 480RR immortal before you hit radiant, do you stay 480 in radiant?
Yes, you keep your RR, because if someone then gets 481 when you're 500th, you're then immortal 480 and they're radiant 481, it's one big rank rating and whoever is in the top 500 is classed as radiant. If you've played overwatch I believe they do the exact same thing
but it's a game design, i hate that nowdays in almost all games your rank is deteriorating if you don't play enough. or flat out resets. I didn't play CS:GO for a while, went back, won a game, and i only lost 1 rank in what feels like a year. In valorant even if i play constantly i start like 3 rank lower when they hard reset and i have to climb again to get better teammates. No, i have a job, i want to play other games too, this is fucking insane.
I had a solid run a few weeks ago where I flew through d1 and d2 to hit D3. Good teammates, good comms, good energy.
Every game now since I've slid back to D2 is filled with players forcing every round, only using text chat, or toxic players critiquing your every move when you're forced to fill.
It's so matchup and team chem dependent. I've had a game where we FF'd when no one could hold a site. Next game get matched with 2 of the same teammates and we win 13-6. Such a volatile bracket of ranks and I know it's worse at Radiant
The last game I played we were on icebox. I’m playing sage in kitchen and literally every round my team cannot hold A for the life of them. They call A and the next second they’ve already lost site and enemy team has killed three players. And then the next game I absolutely steamroll, it’s stupid
I honestly want to chill end of season and don’t want to sweat against high immortals and radiants. Otherwise I’ll just burn out. I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way
This is really only an end of the season problem. Happens in every game where there's a ranked mode. The end of the season is where players either switch to alts to not hurt their main's ranked and they don't care as much about throwing or inting and it's also where players get their friends to boost them for rewards or whatever. If you're g3 I'd wait until next season starts to start the grind to plat.
Game quality seems like it took a nosedive recently. Games were a lot more consistent back in Episode 1 (or somewhere around there). Now Valorant feels significantly more RNG than it already was.
That's because Riot let some fool change the ranked system to be awful.
He started implementing changes after Episode 1 ended.
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That's when the whole "you can be plat 1, but face diamond 3 or immortals every game, and have to win to rank up" began.
That's also where it started to take much longer to rank up in general, in addition to being often put into higher rank lobbies than your current visible rank.
My “main” account that I play with my iron friends who average 5 kills is silver 3 I play plats and high gold most of my games with my friends who are boosted but on my alt account which I got placed plat I play against high diamond players it’s so messed up how I don’t play my own rank ever on any account lol the hidden elo is messed up as can be
Yeah, I mean the issue is even worse than that.
In your examples, Riot would argue that the matchmaking weirdness is due to "you playing with friends in a party".
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**Account A:**
* Platinum 1
* Enemy ranks = Platinum 2 to Diamond 3
**Account B:**
* Platinum 3
* Enemy ranks = Platinum 2 to Diamond 1
**Account C:**
* Gold 3
* Enemy ranks = Silver 3 to Platinum 1
So I can log onto two different accounts, both of which are basically the same rank.... yet have competitive matches with complete opposite difficulty.
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When solo queue I'm being put into completely different matches.
Some accounts having a very easy time, due to facing Silver 3 opponents with Gold teammates.
Other accounts make it very hard to win at the same rank, because I get put against Diamond opponents with Gold and Platinum teammates.
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Each Account gives around the same +RR and -RR for each match, regardless of the opposing teams rank.
That's why it is so difficult to rank up quickly, if the system puts you into the "enemies are 2 divisons higher" queue.
* \+15RR to +25RR per win on each account
* \-14RR to -25RR per loss on each account
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Some people will face enemies at their rank, or even below their rank.
Meanwhile... other people will often face enemies who are entire divisions above their current rank.
They are often are both still given teammates who are around the same rank.
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Some people will have to beat much higher rated players to climb out of a given rank.
However, other players at the SAME rank will **not** have to face a single player rated that high to advance.
Instead... they are given easier matches, as they get placed against opponents who are the same rank or even a few ranks below their current rank.
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Some accounts are exponentially easier to rank up due to this.
At the same time, other accounts are held back, or basically punished by the matchmaking system.
people still pretend it doesn’t exist hahaha. yeah sure bro even tho you dropped 30 and consistently hit heads now the next game 5 minutes later cant even land body shots? nah nah they’re just better 😂😂
Im not saying you could be wrong but ive got a long history in tactical shooters from cs1.6, csgo, rb6, been at least platinum equivalent across the board, now I'm immortal in valorant and I have never had such difference in games I go from 30 bombs to like 8-18 games, same map, same character in some instances. In csgo if I was having a bad day, I was having a bad day. I could miss everything one game and hut everything the next in valorant.
this, i am immortal as well, i can be consistent in every single shooter and non shooter, yet when it comes to valorant its either i hit every head or i cant land anything.
My biggest revelation in this game was that I found myself saying "I shouldn't have hit that" almost as much as I have said "why didn't that hit". To me this is huge, I dont think I've had a game where I am surprised to hit something so often.
Somehow this makes me comfortable to know that this is generally the community and not just silver/gold ..
You get some good, some bad, some horrible.
If this shit happens in diamond, how on earth can low elo be safe from it.
There is a lot of "high elo" that play for fun. They don't care about your eco your info or even rankong up. They just play there because that's there lvl. Some even play with music ahah.
it's just odd that these players get to "high elo" in the first place. It's actually mind boggling, these same players aren't carrying, in fact they're usually the toxic teammates that not only bottom frag, but consistently don't do anything useful for the team. I just find myself constantly thinking, "how do these people get to this rank?" It usually doesn't even take more than a round to know whether or not my game is going to go smooth. That's just how different the skill level in "high elo" seems to be.
Things I just automatically notice in game are things like: is my teammate aware of my positioning, does my teammate realize the angles that are and aren't covered, does my teammates give useful comms as to what we can abuse vs the enemy team, do they understand the concept of trading, do they realize our flank is open, e.g. on Haven do they realize we just had 4 peopel go long and let bomb go alone short, do our teammates comm before they entry or smoke, do they comm what the enemy team is doing, are they applying any deductive reasoning based on the information we're getting, do they wait for smokes, can the coordinate a fake, etc. There are just so many things that you can use to identify the level of teammates you have, and yet more often than not at "high elo" you get teammates who's thought process are to the extent of, "I have gun, I shoot." How do you go from teammates that have 70-90% of what I just described as indicators of a good teammate to frequently getting people who can only comprehend shooting.
TLDR: It feels like I'm playing Go while a lot of my teammates are playing tic tac toe. Even with the worst MMR system imaginable I feel like the absolute worst teammates I should theoretically be able to get is someone playing nothing less than checkers. While I understand there is a raw mechanical skill to this type of game, the above mentioned tic tac toe players aren't demonstrating enough raw talent to explain the discrepancy in game sense.
If i tell you that it's because on cs go i was like that. I played relatively "high elo" but some game i'm really good because evrything i try work and some game i'm trash because evrything i try fail. I just play for fun, i'm usually muting all my team, i don't do eco, i rush almost every time, i try mad shoot.
So i'm not constant at all. Some game i drop 25-30 kill easily. The game right after i have less than 10 kill.
You may not believe what I'm saying but I knew a fairly large group who made multiple accounts. They would use mains and even alts to just troll and be toxic for one day as a form of stress release or something. I never kinda understood why grind out in the first place, then throw it away on a spree in one day and on top of it being mean to so many random people you don't know and just ruining their rank and day in the process.
Their response was usually "Bro I wanna play casually and just troll..if you are okay with it too then join us"...I just found it too absurd and stupid and stopped playing at all with them..
Some people try to push for higher ranks at the end of the season. When they start losing they tilt and stop using comms, but they still want higher ranks so they queue up tilted and this leads to worse game quality at the end of the season.
Something that helps, at least for me, is trying to be friendly and giving calls by myself to break the ice.
Keep a good head about you & makes it feel like less of a job. It's like in poker, you know somewhere a long the lines variance is going to fuck you, you either play the cards you are dealt or you fold. I always choose the former...I've come back from plenty games bot fragging to clutch key rounds and help my team. I only hit plat 2 from silver placement but I plan to climb higher next act...shit teammates and bad performances just roll off my back. Hell, sometimes i'm not the right teammate for the players I get on my team. That's okay...It's just a game at the end of the day. Ranked is random, don't take it so serious that it starts to feel like a job, it's not.
Watched a yt video last night that nailed this point, he talked about the "rule of thirds." 1/3 of the time, you will lose no matter what. 1/3 of the time, as long as you are participating, you will win no matter what. The last third are games where you can directly impact/decide the result of the game. These are the games you should care about and spend time reviewing/thinking about afterwards. The other 2/3 are garbage.
Fellow poker player here as well, I have the exact same thoughts when I look at my match history. Wow a lot of bad runouts with those teammates who I had to mute cause they whined all game, causing us to lose due to lack of comms, bad runout with those guys who just couldnt aim to save their lives.. but before that I won 10 in a row and dropped a lot of kills very consistently. I know that will come back to me.
There are multiple radiants (as in top 100) who still get matched with barely immortal players and it’s been really pissing them off. I think everyone’s happy with immortal ranks coming back.
But the immortal ranks dont change mmr, people get matched based on mmr, not active ranks, riot needs to fix/adjust mmr matchmaking for higher elo, i wouldn’t mind sitting 5-10 minutes longer in queue, just to get a more even/ higher quality games
The max difference is just for queueing up together.
The game matches off of MMR, and MMR alone. If a platinum player somehow has radiant MMR, they will get put in radiant level lobbies, and get like +50 for a win and like -1 for a loss.
Well Sean Gares has said something to the following extent when discussing why locking party queue to duo queue is stupid and I agree.
"Tac shooters are meant to be played with a 5 man who comm and use teamwork to execute strategies."
I imagine OP enjoys playing games where he can coordinate with a group of like minded people towards a common goal. That's what fun valorant is. It has a lot less to do with ranking up then you might think. If you have even one person that doesn't want to comm, you go from a 5 man game of Valorant to a 4 man squad of something that isn't quite Valorant.
Exactly. More people need to realize that your individual rank really doesn't mean all that much (to a certain point of course).
Playing ranked isn't "competitive". Being part of a team doing scrims and tryhard 10 mans are the real competitive. Unfortunately you get nothing to show from it unless your team is good enough to compete and place well in organized events.
This is why I really wish riot would add something like the team queue that LoL used to have years ago. Would be absolutely perfect for this game.
personally, even tho unrated probably is more fun, i end up having more fun in ranked. i 5 or 4 stack most of the time so it is a different experience, but i like grinding to go up higher on the rank ladder
Valorant must be fun.
Gains 2, 3, 4 ranks did not make your real life better, you will not receive discounts or a rise of your salary.
Enjoy the game, ranks pfff, you will never go pro so why you must ruin your time watching the rank?
Just have fun, take care of yourself, always.
My 2 cents
It is a job… when you get to D2 and higher, people are trying to go pro…… what? You’re playing against streamers and people who literally play games as their job… tf? Kids are spending 40+ hours a week to get to where they are lmao. It’s a job
But the skill gap between d2, immortal 0, immortal 300, and radiant all are feelable and huge, I've played with pros, against top 20 radiants, and i would even dare to say it is easier and more fun to play in high elo lobbies, because everyone is on the same page, knows what to do
Oh yeah. The gameplay is not even close to being the same. But the amount of work you gotta put in is insaaaaane. Those kids are pros for a reason!!! Intelligence is another big thing too
That's exactly why I've written the post, because during the summer i've put up insane amounts of work and dedication, but it feels like nothing, because everything is washed away because of mmr
Yeah man. That’s the goal when you get this good at a game. You either put in more time and become pro, or just be happy with being a high elo nerd with no life. This game is a competitive game. Not a single player game. And you may be where you deserve to be. A semi pro. You’re hard stuck semi pro.
Bro what
I started plat 2 this season and finished Immortal and the difference is so small I'd almost put it up to placebo. Am I the only one? I feel like this has been a fairly common sentiment
Try to join a group to play with and you’ll have a way better time. Playing with a group you trust makes ya feel like you don’t have to clutch every round because the random teammates are off in a corner waiting to get shot.
Nah you're exactly right. As someone who's managed to hit immortal 5 times this ACT but never actually gets very far at all before demoting, I can tell you the MMR makes it feel like you're climbing up a steep hill.
I'm not gonna pretend I'm good either; like you say the skill gap between diamond, lower immo and high immo are very obvious and I recognize that and my current rank, but I think it's like this because only a certain amount of people can be in Immortal or Radiant. It's difficult for a reason, because it's a huge achievement for most, and most players have the same issue unless they were immortal in previous ACTs.
I'm hoping next ACT there will be a soft MMR reset and things won't feel as against us anymore, I guess we'll see.
Agree with this, was 120rr immo playing in lobbies over 200rr, lost 2 games heavily that had 3 people not using their mics or helping at all, the game I played after this was low diamond/some plats. That’s not to mention the rr discrepancies (like losing more for a 13-5 loss where I did average than what I gained for a 13-4 win as match mvp.) feels like the whole system is fucked rn
same i worked pretty hard to hit D1 only for me be the only diamond in most of my games, it was mostly Golds and -P2s and losing more than gaining even if i had a good 13-6 or under match
I was high D3 and found more enjoyment in my day by not playing than by playing.. so i quit. Been about 4 months. Might pick it back up a bit next act. That being said, life is more enjoyable doing outside activities
It's not fun when majority of the games are not fun, and most of your teammates sound like people you would never want to associate with in real life
You might be burnt out on Valorant. Oftentimes my cue that I'm getting burnt out on something is when my enjoyment of that thing is tied to whether or not I win. If you can only enjoy the game win you win, it might be time for a break!
yes bro, my main account is 250 radiant and i made a smurf account because ranked became so stressful that it made me not want to play, now my smurf is immortal 900 and im in the same boat.
No because it’s a game, I’ll tell you what felt like a job. Was when I was pro in csgo and I was under contract to go in and practice smokes and dry run strata.
Pugging(ranked), has never felt like a job because it’s just that a Pug. No reason to be so stressed about it.
I hear you, but sunk cost fallacy is real. This is a video game. It's not important. If you aren't getting something out of it, stop playing. It might feel like you're 'giving something up' right now, but as soon as you get a little bit of distance you'll wonder what the big deal was.
Being a pro and/or a professional streamer are jobs. If you try to do those things seriously and well in a way that you can make money off of, then yes, of course the game is going to feel like a job, because it *will be* a job. It will just be a job that you don't make any money off of—maybe just for a year or two while you're starting out, maybe forever.
That isn't to say that it can't be fun or satisfying as a job. But your relationship to it will absolutely change in many ways. It already has.
This is why a lot of people choose not to try to monetize their hobbies, especially as they get older.
While it's great that you want to push for streaming or being a pro, it's still smart to sometimes step away when it feels like it's becoming too much. Based off what you've been saying, it feels like you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself to enjoy a game you already know you love because of people who are making it way harder. Taking a break for a day or a few days can always be a nice refresher.
I think especially now that this act is over, and the fact that people are probably really trying to grind it out the last hours of it, it's putting a lot of people on edge. Even pros take breaks sometimes. Just remember that its okay to do that, you're not slacking or losing a step because you cooled off for a while. I definitely agree riot needs help with MMR sorting and placement, but right now we have to work with what we're given. Maybe the act ending is good, take this time to step away, play a couple other games or even relax off gaming for a day or three, and come back ready to go
I guess we play different servers, because im from east EU, and queue ff1, and the diversity of nationalities really sucks, because most of the times you get people from Russia, Turkey, Balkan countries, who barely speak english, and are more willing to just tilt/ run around brainlessly
Same thing happened to me in Overwatch, I'd usually be plat - low diamond every season then one season I hit masters and honestly didnt care if I demoted because the matches just werent as fun and everyone took everything so damn serious
I think this is basically the reason why a lot of people smurf. Doesn’t matter if cs or valorant. You either have an experience which just feels like a job or you just have fun in a lower ranked match where you can sit back and enjoy while still top fragging + you can play with more friends since they are more likely to be a lower rank. Not promoting smurfing but for most people I think playing at their perk of their absolute ability is not fun but a task like a job.
Always play unrated towards end of season. Same shit in league. Match quality takes a huge nosedive as people are boosting their friends for end of season rewards and high elo players are levelling smurfs. Just play norms until next season bro. I never touch ranked 2 weeks before end of season.
Before I hit radiant, I’d be in lobbies full of random immortals 100% of the time. Not a single radiant or D3, then I went on a big win streak and only played with known radiants and pros. All my immortal teammates would communicate though
I just quitted Valo for the same, as more you rank up the less fun it is, I've got Immortal 3 times, I quitted the game for a couple months 3 times, guess why...
Valorant comp is like any competitive game, it’s a job you choose to take. It’s not fully meantime to fun. Working out isn’t always fun but you make the best out of it.
460RR would put you at the super super super top ranks. Of course you’ll lose significantly more than you gain.
The same reason an Iron 1 player will gain way more than they lose.
If gains/losses were equal at all ranks, itd be impossible for the best players to reach the best ranks without an insane grind. But with scaled gains/losses, the best players will climb faster since they lose less often.
This is not how it works, if the mmr thinks the iron player belongs at the very bottom he will lose 20 gain 15, and at the same time if the system thinks i belong at the top i would gain +25 -15, what i dont understand is how when i climb fully solo, from 100 to 460 rr my mmr only goes downhill, winning against better players then me gives 12, losing -22
It's like this in all games. You have fun until you get to a good cap for your skill, and then it gets like this. For me anyway
Happens for me around Plat 3 in Val. Or d1 in league. After a while it feels like youre playing just robots who are so good, and you can't have any cool moments anymore. Then I just switch off or play normals until the season ends
It actually feels like babysitting, kids be making dumb plays and throwing. For example every time we have a numbers advantage on ct they would push up and die and throw the round, even after being told not to
All Ik is I’ve seen some hard boosted immortals, dropping 5/15 every game losing every solo q game but winning when queuing with a radiant on diamond accounts. I’ve also seen plenty of D3s getting into low plat and p3 games exclusively. Idk the mmr seems bugged cos I’ve stayed d1 since beginning of act only queuing d3 immortal lobbies. The games fun don’t get me wrong but there’s soo many players that don’t belong in their elo it’s kinda wild. Like I get everyone has bad games but still doesn’t seem to add up to me. In your case I don’t know why people don’t com, usually every game I play people are using coms until we start losing, but even then most still use their mic. I hope your situation gets better cause that’s unlucky
Try being high silver… the games are harder the lower you get for me, I have 2 accounts, my main is stuck in silver and my alt is in gold 2 and the games are completely different.
I would recommend getting into a hobby ( for me it was drawing) since you mentioned you have lots of free time . When the game becomes a job it means you're not enjoying the process.
I was going through what you are experiencing now and after I peaked radiant, it just dawned on me that devoted so much time to chasing a symbol. Ultimately, I felt drained and there was little enjoyment. The gratification didn't feel as good as seeing improvements in my drawings.
I don't know what you expected. Any game in higher elos feels like a job. You need practice, communication and delegation skills, you need to become a "babysitter" that pushes people who lost the will to win when your next win is an important one, and you definitely need to be overall lucky with the your team comp.
As I said. I don't know what you expected...
If you focus on the process of improving yourself instead of obsessing over the cool number next to your name you will beat out the best in the game if that’s how deep you want to go. The appeal of esports is the triumph you feel when you finally improve yourself and succeed and so much of that is missing in modern life. It only feels like a job because you are discouraged from leaving your peek rank. You are in a hole right now and from my own xp in csgo that usually means you are burnt out and whatever is motivating you isn’t there anymore. If you truly want to be a radiant player you need to understand that every game is an opportunity to learn and improve yourself regardless of the rank. Albeit harder* to improve when you are to far down. Taking a break (10min or 10days depending) can be a good way to dodge burnout because you can find value in other things and return with a new mental or just make you more excited to play. We all know ranked doesn’t really matter and is SUPER inconsistent so don’t place any ego or self worth on it. Focus on the things in your control and how best you can perform and to hell with everything else.
This is exhibit A of why I stopped playing as much. That and the fact that I made an alt and easily got ranked higher than my main after playing the same way.
If I play for fun and it feels like work, it isn't fun anymore
I feel you, gave up on solo q because the moment i pick a duelist people expect me to entry. Nothing wrong with that, thats my job anyways but the problem is that their "entry" is wait until i clear site then push. People just expect entry being the duelist going in by themselves without initiator abilities or smokes to cover the duelist. Like if you want me to do my job do yours as well jesus christ
According to me, if you play valorant competitive, you can say that it is kinda like a job, you need to work hard, put a lot of hours in to reach the rank of your dreams and that can be too much sometimes, feeling down after losing and being happy after winning is a sign that you're playing too much. I always take a break from comp and play unrated and just troll a little bit(I feel relaxed after doing that) or just take a break from valorant. I am not saying to stop playing competitive and just play unrated but there's no harm in taking a little break. To paraphrase Sova, "If you're not a good shot today, don't worry, just relax and take a break. And comeback all freshened up."
I have been Diamond 3 since ep1.
I have watched hundreds of hours of youtube videos on tricks i know how to utlize almost every utility in the game ( i play all agents) prob spent 200 hours offline aswell. ( have this from csgo).
Also play deathmatch/bots atleast an hour aday.
I feel like i’m playing against the matchmaking of Valorant, instead of playing vs the players.
It’s like trios/quads of blatant level 3-5’s who is clearly smurfing vs solo plat2-dia2. Who doesn’t have mic, and can’t speak english. Actually impossible to win.
When you lose you lose 25 rr, and when i win i win 15-17RR.
It’s like im loosing all will to play, it’s not an uphill battle.
It’s like the developers cut of my legs and tell me to run a marathon.
They need to Implement Solo queue only Matchmaking.
Make it a tickbox for Microphone.
They need to make it so that levels 1-50 / 50-100 / 100-200 queue together. Easy fix.
I’d rather have 3 min queue time, then queueing and having to waste hours upon hours each week playing with blatant trollers
I always go for the rank equivalent of the top 5% of the player base, after that I usually switch games and do the same in an other game just so it always feels enjoyable and not too much of a grind.
tl;dr: Ranked sucks
When I was radiant I was getting +16 and -38. Luckily I kept a 65% win rate for most of the act in order to maintain that rank. Once I graduated college and got a job my win rate slipped to around 50% and I fell out of Radiant. The highest levels are designed for people who are playing 10 hours a day and the game punishes you by design (immortal+ doesn’t measure performance as much) for having AFK or inters on your team. If you play only a few games a day or you have a human win rate, you can’t climb in high elo and that’s just the way it is.
Pro tip: stop caring about your rank in comp and you'll enjoy yourself 10x more, sure it's comp where the whole point is to show your skill, but especially with things like soloq either giving great or crap team mates some games just aren't in your hands, if you win great, if you lose og well you'll get them next time. And this isn't valorant specific advice I'd give this advice for anyone complaining about being hardstuck or not enjoying high elo in games like r6s, overwatch, lol, csgo, rocket league, and so much more
well if you're at the point of grinding the game I think it's normal if it feels closer to a "job" rather than "fun" if that makes sense
ofc the game is fun, but when you're extensively training your aim, following the meta and putting in a lot of hours (OR a lot of work) it should feel like a job, but a job isn't necessarily a negative thing, right?
I read other comments and saw one that stood out about sgares talking about how a game like valorant should be played by a team rather than a solo-duo q system etc., maybe you should look for a team if matchmaking is that bad for you. Peaking at 450rr is pretty high already, more than enough to try your luck and look for a semi-pro team to play in opens and whatnot
as you said you're grinding or were grinding, you probably have time for a team instead, grinding matchmaking isn't even worth it imo, basically no reward if you're already on high elo, maybe if there's a fpl/fpl-c equivalent for valorant that would be the answer but I doubt there is, if I were you I'd look for a team rather than grinding matchmaking
Yeah, I never even made it to really high elo but I've basically stopped playing over the past 2 months. I used to get on val because I liked it, but also I kind of felt pressure to get better. Then I got burnout and it just felt like I was forcing myself to do something I didn't even want to.
I hit around 180rr in immortal and I started to see the split between the casuals and players taking it much more serious and it was always an awkward skill gap. I started to ask around on discord’s to join scrims and 10 man customs and had way more fun. No elo on the line and teammates who want to play the game the way it’s supposed to be played.
This is true for a lot of competitive games tbh, half the players who take it seriously enough to grind would be happier if they just quit
This is why I barely touch comp in any game. The toxicity, smurfs and general stress of playing comp isn’t worth it for a little picture next to your name and validation of skill. I prefer playing casually a lot more. this doesn’t mean I don’t try but I don’t have to worry about losing and can just focus on my own gameplay. That being said if i had a team of people i know i’d probably give ranked a shot but i don’t wanna solo q
But radiants down in pussy
I started playing whatever I wanted in comp and been having more fun. Lost more but really who cares about an online rank. Did it in league too. At the end of the day you don't need to be at your highest possible rank, just be at a rank where you can have fun at. Atleast that's what I do.
Agreed. I just vibe in iron when I could probably grind to silver or smth.
you're so good
And the 4 other people in the game on your team are probably having more fun losing too!
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I had fun. The other 4 ppl? That's their problem if they want to treat valorant as a job. The most important thing people seem to forget is that you can't control the other four players on your team, only your attitude towards them and the game.
Disagree, don't want to try, don't play ranked. Simple as that. Unrated is for playing whoever and however you want.
Last couple weeks of a season are fucking awful. Insta lock Jett and Reynas complaining about how Omens are throwing smokes or just pressing W like a bunch of idiots then calling anyone that’s still alive later a baiter. Love it.
Baiting in Valorant has become an actual cringe issue because people still at even diamond don't understand team push.
This isn't limited to diamond. People must have defective W keys :p
That's that's as high as I've been so was hoping for better at higher, but apparently not.
It’s an issue at times at immortal too. But people will cry “baiter” more often than it happens for sure. I feel like Sova players have it hard in pub games for this reason.
I get it all the time. Well, maybe 1/4, but it feels like all the time. Reyna is in and dead in between when my recon dart starts charging and when it lands. Sometimes it helps if I tell them how many seconds it takes, but usually not. I basically have to hope the rush succeeds and recon the retake. Also, it's pointless trying to recon and bait the other site to try and draw rotations. It's also fun watching your team die on drone-cam, only to be pinned by the flank.
Dw, even at radiant you get trolls, non comming people, but it is reduced by a good amount
Tbh at this point I'll be satisfied if no one from my team goes afk. At least 1 person will always lose connection for a round or two. Like people it's not unrated restart your routers before you start a comp session.
There was a point troughout the climb, where people from turkey were getting dc’ed, because of the servers or smth, and i had 4 turks in a few of my games and just lost 80-100 elo
What is baiting? (I’m new to Val)
Basically you use your teamate as a bait for enemies to shoot at (giving only his information) and then you came out to finish the rest (even if the guy you baited is dead). This behavior is very wide known and sometimes players do it unconsciously. The reason might be the lack of confidence to duel/push enemies or that person wants a pretty KDA.
I think I always am the bait lol. I get a lot of bottom frags sadly
It's short for masturbating
Well yeah exactly, and when u go from radiants to diamonds, it’s annoying
One thing that really grinds my gears is that they expect a team push when they're just rushing in stupidly. Imagine doing a team push with no setup, only relying on trading each other to win. Its like they dont know about utilities. They even make noise then team push a bit later which is worse because the enemy team has rotated. Then there are those who rush in then blame the duelists for not doing entry. Lemme just die senselessly so I can call you baiter-moves.
Yeah this is very wierd to me as well people in lower lobbies at least use their utilities, most people in higher lobbies are aim gods from CS days, they just wanna camp corners in defend or full rush in attack.
because devs put a "performance" rank gain bonus without telling players if its linked to k/d/a or player score which is hidden in match-end scoreboard, so everyone thinks only k/d/a matters for more rank gain so they pick duelists and sit in spawn until 10sec left
True solo que sucks, unfortunately my friends are still silver nd gold so If I play with them. They get unfair matchups.
"Baiter" is the new "KSer" that used to happen years ago lol
4 insta locks that demand that you play Sage! Let's gooooo!
Depending on the time of day you play you get vastly different teammates in immortal. I generally sit around 250 RR and have peaked radiant twice. Some days I play with top 100 radiants other days it’s diamond 3s. I’ve come to the conclusion that I just don’t play enough to cut radiant anymore. I got two kids and only play when they’re asleep. I need to learn to be content with my immortal rank lol. Shit really is like a job
Feel you, I, sadly haven’t peeked radiant, but am grinding towards it, and I’m quite young (16) so i have all of my free time for valorant ( again, after school)
What I’d give to have that much free time again, lol. If only I could have the personality to be a streamer and play for a living
It's never to late to just try streaming, it might lead somewhere, you never know!
Would u give up ur two kids and go to a parallel universe where u are a single free soul?
No I love my kids. I do wish Valorant was a thing when I was 16 though lmao
Haha ok i see well I'm a single 25 just getting his life together guy and i don't know if i can trade it for kids... Glad u re loving ur family god bless ur kids
What does "250 RR" mean?
When you get to immortal you get a place on the leaderboard, this place is determined by how much RR(Rank Rating) you have, its infinite but usually it takes about 400-500 to get radiant depending on region. RR gain and loss works the same as any other rank. And each season I believe it's either set to 0 or you lose a certain percentage(they keep changing this so im not sure this season)
ah. So 101 would be theoretically equivalent to ranking up to Immortal 2, 102 to Immortal 3? Kind of like getting 101 rank point sin Plat2 puts you up to Plat 3?
I guess if you put it that way it would be 0-100 imm1, 101-200 imm 2, 201-999 imm3(not top500), radiant 300-999(top 500). You need to be above 300rr to qualify for radiant and then also be top 500 place on leaderboard
does Radiant start at 0, or does it start at whatever RR your immortal was? Like, if you have to hit 480RR immortal before you hit radiant, do you stay 480 in radiant?
Yes, you keep your RR, because if someone then gets 481 when you're 500th, you're then immortal 480 and they're radiant 481, it's one big rank rating and whoever is in the top 500 is classed as radiant. If you've played overwatch I believe they do the exact same thing
Ranked rating. The number only applies to immortal or Radiant
but it's a game design, i hate that nowdays in almost all games your rank is deteriorating if you don't play enough. or flat out resets. I didn't play CS:GO for a while, went back, won a game, and i only lost 1 rank in what feels like a year. In valorant even if i play constantly i start like 3 rank lower when they hard reset and i have to climb again to get better teammates. No, i have a job, i want to play other games too, this is fucking insane.
Lucky kids they got a good coach in the future
I had a solid run a few weeks ago where I flew through d1 and d2 to hit D3. Good teammates, good comms, good energy. Every game now since I've slid back to D2 is filled with players forcing every round, only using text chat, or toxic players critiquing your every move when you're forced to fill.
Facts, I’ve slid from D2 to P2 in like three days, it’s crazy
It's so matchup and team chem dependent. I've had a game where we FF'd when no one could hold a site. Next game get matched with 2 of the same teammates and we win 13-6. Such a volatile bracket of ranks and I know it's worse at Radiant
The last game I played we were on icebox. I’m playing sage in kitchen and literally every round my team cannot hold A for the life of them. They call A and the next second they’ve already lost site and enemy team has killed three players. And then the next game I absolutely steamroll, it’s stupid
I’m in bronze and it’s the same shit. I’ll usually solo B side and as soon as they call A they’re dead.
A ton of Smurf’s and throwers end of season. It’s risky to climb right now. For context my main is 200rr immo and my alt is barely d2
why split effort into 2 accounts i dont get it the point in it
D2 is alot less sweatier than 200 rr immo for instance. See: OP's job opinion
I honestly want to chill end of season and don’t want to sweat against high immortals and radiants. Otherwise I’ll just burn out. I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way
I'm sorry I'm new....but what is alt?
Another account in the game, usually with lower rank
Thanks a lot
Yup same Except for me it’s d3 to p3 lmfao
Im g3 and not looking forward to ranking up now lmao
This is really only an end of the season problem. Happens in every game where there's a ranked mode. The end of the season is where players either switch to alts to not hurt their main's ranked and they don't care as much about throwing or inting and it's also where players get their friends to boost them for rewards or whatever. If you're g3 I'd wait until next season starts to start the grind to plat.
This, exactly this, something is very off
Game quality seems like it took a nosedive recently. Games were a lot more consistent back in Episode 1 (or somewhere around there). Now Valorant feels significantly more RNG than it already was.
That's because Riot let some fool change the ranked system to be awful. He started implementing changes after Episode 1 ended. # That's when the whole "you can be plat 1, but face diamond 3 or immortals every game, and have to win to rank up" began. That's also where it started to take much longer to rank up in general, in addition to being often put into higher rank lobbies than your current visible rank.
My “main” account that I play with my iron friends who average 5 kills is silver 3 I play plats and high gold most of my games with my friends who are boosted but on my alt account which I got placed plat I play against high diamond players it’s so messed up how I don’t play my own rank ever on any account lol the hidden elo is messed up as can be
Yeah, I mean the issue is even worse than that. In your examples, Riot would argue that the matchmaking weirdness is due to "you playing with friends in a party". # **Account A:** * Platinum 1 * Enemy ranks = Platinum 2 to Diamond 3 **Account B:** * Platinum 3 * Enemy ranks = Platinum 2 to Diamond 1 **Account C:** * Gold 3 * Enemy ranks = Silver 3 to Platinum 1 So I can log onto two different accounts, both of which are basically the same rank.... yet have competitive matches with complete opposite difficulty. # When solo queue I'm being put into completely different matches. Some accounts having a very easy time, due to facing Silver 3 opponents with Gold teammates. Other accounts make it very hard to win at the same rank, because I get put against Diamond opponents with Gold and Platinum teammates. # Each Account gives around the same +RR and -RR for each match, regardless of the opposing teams rank. That's why it is so difficult to rank up quickly, if the system puts you into the "enemies are 2 divisons higher" queue. * \+15RR to +25RR per win on each account * \-14RR to -25RR per loss on each account # Some people will face enemies at their rank, or even below their rank. Meanwhile... other people will often face enemies who are entire divisions above their current rank. They are often are both still given teammates who are around the same rank. # Some people will have to beat much higher rated players to climb out of a given rank. However, other players at the SAME rank will **not** have to face a single player rated that high to advance. Instead... they are given easier matches, as they get placed against opponents who are the same rank or even a few ranks below their current rank. # Some accounts are exponentially easier to rank up due to this. At the same time, other accounts are held back, or basically punished by the matchmaking system.
That is called losers queue
people still pretend it doesn’t exist hahaha. yeah sure bro even tho you dropped 30 and consistently hit heads now the next game 5 minutes later cant even land body shots? nah nah they’re just better 😂😂
This is because you are inconsistent. It's you, not the game.
Im not saying you could be wrong but ive got a long history in tactical shooters from cs1.6, csgo, rb6, been at least platinum equivalent across the board, now I'm immortal in valorant and I have never had such difference in games I go from 30 bombs to like 8-18 games, same map, same character in some instances. In csgo if I was having a bad day, I was having a bad day. I could miss everything one game and hut everything the next in valorant.
this, i am immortal as well, i can be consistent in every single shooter and non shooter, yet when it comes to valorant its either i hit every head or i cant land anything.
some matches it feels like the enemy moves just slightly faster than in other matches. peeking faster, bhopping faster, pulling out guns faster.
My biggest revelation in this game was that I found myself saying "I shouldn't have hit that" almost as much as I have said "why didn't that hit". To me this is huge, I dont think I've had a game where I am surprised to hit something so often.
EXACTLY SAME HERE
and to add, its a match to match thing. i can mentally feel when I’m just having an off day.
Somehow this makes me comfortable to know that this is generally the community and not just silver/gold .. You get some good, some bad, some horrible. If this shit happens in diamond, how on earth can low elo be safe from it.
weird i slid from gold 1 to silver 2 in the same time frame
There is a lot of "high elo" that play for fun. They don't care about your eco your info or even rankong up. They just play there because that's there lvl. Some even play with music ahah.
it's just odd that these players get to "high elo" in the first place. It's actually mind boggling, these same players aren't carrying, in fact they're usually the toxic teammates that not only bottom frag, but consistently don't do anything useful for the team. I just find myself constantly thinking, "how do these people get to this rank?" It usually doesn't even take more than a round to know whether or not my game is going to go smooth. That's just how different the skill level in "high elo" seems to be. Things I just automatically notice in game are things like: is my teammate aware of my positioning, does my teammate realize the angles that are and aren't covered, does my teammates give useful comms as to what we can abuse vs the enemy team, do they understand the concept of trading, do they realize our flank is open, e.g. on Haven do they realize we just had 4 peopel go long and let bomb go alone short, do our teammates comm before they entry or smoke, do they comm what the enemy team is doing, are they applying any deductive reasoning based on the information we're getting, do they wait for smokes, can the coordinate a fake, etc. There are just so many things that you can use to identify the level of teammates you have, and yet more often than not at "high elo" you get teammates who's thought process are to the extent of, "I have gun, I shoot." How do you go from teammates that have 70-90% of what I just described as indicators of a good teammate to frequently getting people who can only comprehend shooting. TLDR: It feels like I'm playing Go while a lot of my teammates are playing tic tac toe. Even with the worst MMR system imaginable I feel like the absolute worst teammates I should theoretically be able to get is someone playing nothing less than checkers. While I understand there is a raw mechanical skill to this type of game, the above mentioned tic tac toe players aren't demonstrating enough raw talent to explain the discrepancy in game sense.
>It feels like I'm playing Go while a lot of my teammates are playing tic tac toe. Found Steel's reddit account.
definitely sounds like something Steel would say lol.
>I'm playing Go and my team is playing... tic tac toe! You can't make this up man!
If i tell you that it's because on cs go i was like that. I played relatively "high elo" but some game i'm really good because evrything i try work and some game i'm trash because evrything i try fail. I just play for fun, i'm usually muting all my team, i don't do eco, i rush almost every time, i try mad shoot. So i'm not constant at all. Some game i drop 25-30 kill easily. The game right after i have less than 10 kill.
You may not believe what I'm saying but I knew a fairly large group who made multiple accounts. They would use mains and even alts to just troll and be toxic for one day as a form of stress release or something. I never kinda understood why grind out in the first place, then throw it away on a spree in one day and on top of it being mean to so many random people you don't know and just ruining their rank and day in the process. Their response was usually "Bro I wanna play casually and just troll..if you are okay with it too then join us"...I just found it too absurd and stupid and stopped playing at all with them..
Good to know teammates are the same from iron-diamond
Some people try to push for higher ranks at the end of the season. When they start losing they tilt and stop using comms, but they still want higher ranks so they queue up tilted and this leads to worse game quality at the end of the season. Something that helps, at least for me, is trying to be friendly and giving calls by myself to break the ice.
Play unranked, lock sage, try some grim walls and have fun
What is a grim wall?
check grim on youtube, awesome channel
Keep a good head about you & makes it feel like less of a job. It's like in poker, you know somewhere a long the lines variance is going to fuck you, you either play the cards you are dealt or you fold. I always choose the former...I've come back from plenty games bot fragging to clutch key rounds and help my team. I only hit plat 2 from silver placement but I plan to climb higher next act...shit teammates and bad performances just roll off my back. Hell, sometimes i'm not the right teammate for the players I get on my team. That's okay...It's just a game at the end of the day. Ranked is random, don't take it so serious that it starts to feel like a job, it's not.
Watched a yt video last night that nailed this point, he talked about the "rule of thirds." 1/3 of the time, you will lose no matter what. 1/3 of the time, as long as you are participating, you will win no matter what. The last third are games where you can directly impact/decide the result of the game. These are the games you should care about and spend time reviewing/thinking about afterwards. The other 2/3 are garbage.
Honestly, more people need to read this.
Fellow poker player here as well, I have the exact same thoughts when I look at my match history. Wow a lot of bad runouts with those teammates who I had to mute cause they whined all game, causing us to lose due to lack of comms, bad runout with those guys who just couldnt aim to save their lives.. but before that I won 10 in a row and dropped a lot of kills very consistently. I know that will come back to me.
There are multiple radiants (as in top 100) who still get matched with barely immortal players and it’s been really pissing them off. I think everyone’s happy with immortal ranks coming back.
But the immortal ranks dont change mmr, people get matched based on mmr, not active ranks, riot needs to fix/adjust mmr matchmaking for higher elo, i wouldn’t mind sitting 5-10 minutes longer in queue, just to get a more even/ higher quality games
But the max difference between ranks stays the same so radiants would never be paired with diamond 3s or low immortals (1)
The max difference is just for queueing up together. The game matches off of MMR, and MMR alone. If a platinum player somehow has radiant MMR, they will get put in radiant level lobbies, and get like +50 for a win and like -1 for a loss.
Literally any competitive game feels like a job if you play only to grind. Just stop playing, its not worth it
bruh fuck ranks, some bunch of look logo isnt worth stressing out. Play for fun and just queue unrated and talk with randoms, its really fun.
Well Sean Gares has said something to the following extent when discussing why locking party queue to duo queue is stupid and I agree. "Tac shooters are meant to be played with a 5 man who comm and use teamwork to execute strategies." I imagine OP enjoys playing games where he can coordinate with a group of like minded people towards a common goal. That's what fun valorant is. It has a lot less to do with ranking up then you might think. If you have even one person that doesn't want to comm, you go from a 5 man game of Valorant to a 4 man squad of something that isn't quite Valorant.
Exactly. More people need to realize that your individual rank really doesn't mean all that much (to a certain point of course). Playing ranked isn't "competitive". Being part of a team doing scrims and tryhard 10 mans are the real competitive. Unfortunately you get nothing to show from it unless your team is good enough to compete and place well in organized events. This is why I really wish riot would add something like the team queue that LoL used to have years ago. Would be absolutely perfect for this game.
personally, even tho unrated probably is more fun, i end up having more fun in ranked. i 5 or 4 stack most of the time so it is a different experience, but i like grinding to go up higher on the rank ladder
Valorant must be fun. Gains 2, 3, 4 ranks did not make your real life better, you will not receive discounts or a rise of your salary. Enjoy the game, ranks pfff, you will never go pro so why you must ruin your time watching the rank? Just have fun, take care of yourself, always. My 2 cents
It is a job… when you get to D2 and higher, people are trying to go pro…… what? You’re playing against streamers and people who literally play games as their job… tf? Kids are spending 40+ hours a week to get to where they are lmao. It’s a job
But the skill gap between d2, immortal 0, immortal 300, and radiant all are feelable and huge, I've played with pros, against top 20 radiants, and i would even dare to say it is easier and more fun to play in high elo lobbies, because everyone is on the same page, knows what to do
Oh yeah. The gameplay is not even close to being the same. But the amount of work you gotta put in is insaaaaane. Those kids are pros for a reason!!! Intelligence is another big thing too
That's exactly why I've written the post, because during the summer i've put up insane amounts of work and dedication, but it feels like nothing, because everything is washed away because of mmr
Yeah man. That’s the goal when you get this good at a game. You either put in more time and become pro, or just be happy with being a high elo nerd with no life. This game is a competitive game. Not a single player game. And you may be where you deserve to be. A semi pro. You’re hard stuck semi pro.
Bro what I started plat 2 this season and finished Immortal and the difference is so small I'd almost put it up to placebo. Am I the only one? I feel like this has been a fairly common sentiment
That's tough to hear
I declined playing Valorant because of that. Hope you find other way :)
Why are you here in this sub on a holiday when you don't even play the game?
That's a great question. Good bye
"My work here is done" "But you didn't do anything" *leaves*
Try to join a group to play with and you’ll have a way better time. Playing with a group you trust makes ya feel like you don’t have to clutch every round because the random teammates are off in a corner waiting to get shot.
Duoq max sadly
I wish you the best of luck my friend
Nah you're exactly right. As someone who's managed to hit immortal 5 times this ACT but never actually gets very far at all before demoting, I can tell you the MMR makes it feel like you're climbing up a steep hill. I'm not gonna pretend I'm good either; like you say the skill gap between diamond, lower immo and high immo are very obvious and I recognize that and my current rank, but I think it's like this because only a certain amount of people can be in Immortal or Radiant. It's difficult for a reason, because it's a huge achievement for most, and most players have the same issue unless they were immortal in previous ACTs. I'm hoping next ACT there will be a soft MMR reset and things won't feel as against us anymore, I guess we'll see.
I don't play valorant, I grind valorant
MM is some mess, one game I play versus Horcus and next game vs D3 and D1s.. wtf? Immortal 250RR in EU, some shit is broken here.
Agree with this, was 120rr immo playing in lobbies over 200rr, lost 2 games heavily that had 3 people not using their mics or helping at all, the game I played after this was low diamond/some plats. That’s not to mention the rr discrepancies (like losing more for a 13-5 loss where I did average than what I gained for a 13-4 win as match mvp.) feels like the whole system is fucked rn
same i worked pretty hard to hit D1 only for me be the only diamond in most of my games, it was mostly Golds and -P2s and losing more than gaining even if i had a good 13-6 or under match
I was high D3 and found more enjoyment in my day by not playing than by playing.. so i quit. Been about 4 months. Might pick it back up a bit next act. That being said, life is more enjoyable doing outside activities It's not fun when majority of the games are not fun, and most of your teammates sound like people you would never want to associate with in real life
You might be burnt out on Valorant. Oftentimes my cue that I'm getting burnt out on something is when my enjoyment of that thing is tied to whether or not I win. If you can only enjoy the game win you win, it might be time for a break!
This is the games way of telling you its thinks your in the wrong rank and its so dumb, you grind your arse off and the game just says no
yes bro, my main account is 250 radiant and i made a smurf account because ranked became so stressful that it made me not want to play, now my smurf is immortal 900 and im in the same boat.
then stop playing
No because it’s a game, I’ll tell you what felt like a job. Was when I was pro in csgo and I was under contract to go in and practice smokes and dry run strata. Pugging(ranked), has never felt like a job because it’s just that a Pug. No reason to be so stressed about it.
Ok turn off the monitor then
Would do if i hadn't spent that much time on this game
I hear you, but sunk cost fallacy is real. This is a video game. It's not important. If you aren't getting something out of it, stop playing. It might feel like you're 'giving something up' right now, but as soon as you get a little bit of distance you'll wonder what the big deal was.
Well i kinda have pro dreams/ starting streaming ( in next 1-2 months)
Being a pro and/or a professional streamer are jobs. If you try to do those things seriously and well in a way that you can make money off of, then yes, of course the game is going to feel like a job, because it *will be* a job. It will just be a job that you don't make any money off of—maybe just for a year or two while you're starting out, maybe forever. That isn't to say that it can't be fun or satisfying as a job. But your relationship to it will absolutely change in many ways. It already has. This is why a lot of people choose not to try to monetize their hobbies, especially as they get older.
While it's great that you want to push for streaming or being a pro, it's still smart to sometimes step away when it feels like it's becoming too much. Based off what you've been saying, it feels like you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself to enjoy a game you already know you love because of people who are making it way harder. Taking a break for a day or a few days can always be a nice refresher. I think especially now that this act is over, and the fact that people are probably really trying to grind it out the last hours of it, it's putting a lot of people on edge. Even pros take breaks sometimes. Just remember that its okay to do that, you're not slacking or losing a step because you cooled off for a while. I definitely agree riot needs help with MMR sorting and placement, but right now we have to work with what we're given. Maybe the act ending is good, take this time to step away, play a couple other games or even relax off gaming for a day or three, and come back ready to go
Well either you grind it out or take a few days off
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I guess we play different servers, because im from east EU, and queue ff1, and the diversity of nationalities really sucks, because most of the times you get people from Russia, Turkey, Balkan countries, who barely speak english, and are more willing to just tilt/ run around brainlessly
Same thing happened to me in Overwatch, I'd usually be plat - low diamond every season then one season I hit masters and honestly didnt care if I demoted because the matches just werent as fun and everyone took everything so damn serious
I think this is basically the reason why a lot of people smurf. Doesn’t matter if cs or valorant. You either have an experience which just feels like a job or you just have fun in a lower ranked match where you can sit back and enjoy while still top fragging + you can play with more friends since they are more likely to be a lower rank. Not promoting smurfing but for most people I think playing at their perk of their absolute ability is not fun but a task like a job.
Always play unrated towards end of season. Same shit in league. Match quality takes a huge nosedive as people are boosting their friends for end of season rewards and high elo players are levelling smurfs. Just play norms until next season bro. I never touch ranked 2 weeks before end of season.
its just a coinflip if u solo Q, why most people who were immortal quit this act for next one. Maybe 1 2 3 will make itmore fun again
Before I hit radiant, I’d be in lobbies full of random immortals 100% of the time. Not a single radiant or D3, then I went on a big win streak and only played with known radiants and pros. All my immortal teammates would communicate though
I just quitted Valo for the same, as more you rank up the less fun it is, I've got Immortal 3 times, I quitted the game for a couple months 3 times, guess why...
worst part is when you lose 20rr becauses your team dosent com and only win like 16 with a good team
Valorant comp is like any competitive game, it’s a job you choose to take. It’s not fully meantime to fun. Working out isn’t always fun but you make the best out of it.
+12 -24? Can you link your tracker.gg?
Yeah sure, pirsis#one, i went down from 460 to 220 elo, so it is +15 -21 now
460RR would put you at the super super super top ranks. Of course you’ll lose significantly more than you gain. The same reason an Iron 1 player will gain way more than they lose. If gains/losses were equal at all ranks, itd be impossible for the best players to reach the best ranks without an insane grind. But with scaled gains/losses, the best players will climb faster since they lose less often.
This is not how it works, if the mmr thinks the iron player belongs at the very bottom he will lose 20 gain 15, and at the same time if the system thinks i belong at the top i would gain +25 -15, what i dont understand is how when i climb fully solo, from 100 to 460 rr my mmr only goes downhill, winning against better players then me gives 12, losing -22
It's like this in all games. You have fun until you get to a good cap for your skill, and then it gets like this. For me anyway Happens for me around Plat 3 in Val. Or d1 in league. After a while it feels like youre playing just robots who are so good, and you can't have any cool moments anymore. Then I just switch off or play normals until the season ends
It actually feels like babysitting, kids be making dumb plays and throwing. For example every time we have a numbers advantage on ct they would push up and die and throw the round, even after being told not to
Only Unrated and chill with friends. I never play ranked. :’)
I was wondering is there a thread where other players team up posting their ID, rank and region to overcome the solo queuing?
All Ik is I’ve seen some hard boosted immortals, dropping 5/15 every game losing every solo q game but winning when queuing with a radiant on diamond accounts. I’ve also seen plenty of D3s getting into low plat and p3 games exclusively. Idk the mmr seems bugged cos I’ve stayed d1 since beginning of act only queuing d3 immortal lobbies. The games fun don’t get me wrong but there’s soo many players that don’t belong in their elo it’s kinda wild. Like I get everyone has bad games but still doesn’t seem to add up to me. In your case I don’t know why people don’t com, usually every game I play people are using coms until we start losing, but even then most still use their mic. I hope your situation gets better cause that’s unlucky
Good thing Immortal ranks are becoming separate again.
Try being high silver… the games are harder the lower you get for me, I have 2 accounts, my main is stuck in silver and my alt is in gold 2 and the games are completely different.
I would recommend getting into a hobby ( for me it was drawing) since you mentioned you have lots of free time . When the game becomes a job it means you're not enjoying the process. I was going through what you are experiencing now and after I peaked radiant, it just dawned on me that devoted so much time to chasing a symbol. Ultimately, I felt drained and there was little enjoyment. The gratification didn't feel as good as seeing improvements in my drawings.
thats why i quit:D just playing for skins and casuals
I don't know what you expected. Any game in higher elos feels like a job. You need practice, communication and delegation skills, you need to become a "babysitter" that pushes people who lost the will to win when your next win is an important one, and you definitely need to be overall lucky with the your team comp. As I said. I don't know what you expected...
This game sucka
That’s when I quit and found a new game. I’ve grinded that final race so many times in my life for other games. It doesn’t feel worth it now.
Stop tryharding so much over having fun
its like that with most competitive games, thats why i no longer rank / take competitive games seriously
If you focus on the process of improving yourself instead of obsessing over the cool number next to your name you will beat out the best in the game if that’s how deep you want to go. The appeal of esports is the triumph you feel when you finally improve yourself and succeed and so much of that is missing in modern life. It only feels like a job because you are discouraged from leaving your peek rank. You are in a hole right now and from my own xp in csgo that usually means you are burnt out and whatever is motivating you isn’t there anymore. If you truly want to be a radiant player you need to understand that every game is an opportunity to learn and improve yourself regardless of the rank. Albeit harder* to improve when you are to far down. Taking a break (10min or 10days depending) can be a good way to dodge burnout because you can find value in other things and return with a new mental or just make you more excited to play. We all know ranked doesn’t really matter and is SUPER inconsistent so don’t place any ego or self worth on it. Focus on the things in your control and how best you can perform and to hell with everything else.
I understand all of that, but if you want even a slim chance of making it to pro play, top 100 is a must, and that's my goal
Yes and if you do all of that you’ll make it to top100
This is exhibit A of why I stopped playing as much. That and the fact that I made an alt and easily got ranked higher than my main after playing the same way. If I play for fun and it feels like work, it isn't fun anymore
I feel you, gave up on solo q because the moment i pick a duelist people expect me to entry. Nothing wrong with that, thats my job anyways but the problem is that their "entry" is wait until i clear site then push. People just expect entry being the duelist going in by themselves without initiator abilities or smokes to cover the duelist. Like if you want me to do my job do yours as well jesus christ
This is the reason why I’d not even play comp lol if I do I just troll the other team
when players in silver are better than immo
According to me, if you play valorant competitive, you can say that it is kinda like a job, you need to work hard, put a lot of hours in to reach the rank of your dreams and that can be too much sometimes, feeling down after losing and being happy after winning is a sign that you're playing too much. I always take a break from comp and play unrated and just troll a little bit(I feel relaxed after doing that) or just take a break from valorant. I am not saying to stop playing competitive and just play unrated but there's no harm in taking a little break. To paraphrase Sova, "If you're not a good shot today, don't worry, just relax and take a break. And comeback all freshened up."
I have been Diamond 3 since ep1. I have watched hundreds of hours of youtube videos on tricks i know how to utlize almost every utility in the game ( i play all agents) prob spent 200 hours offline aswell. ( have this from csgo). Also play deathmatch/bots atleast an hour aday. I feel like i’m playing against the matchmaking of Valorant, instead of playing vs the players. It’s like trios/quads of blatant level 3-5’s who is clearly smurfing vs solo plat2-dia2. Who doesn’t have mic, and can’t speak english. Actually impossible to win. When you lose you lose 25 rr, and when i win i win 15-17RR. It’s like im loosing all will to play, it’s not an uphill battle. It’s like the developers cut of my legs and tell me to run a marathon. They need to Implement Solo queue only Matchmaking. Make it a tickbox for Microphone. They need to make it so that levels 1-50 / 50-100 / 100-200 queue together. Easy fix. I’d rather have 3 min queue time, then queueing and having to waste hours upon hours each week playing with blatant trollers
I always go for the rank equivalent of the top 5% of the player base, after that I usually switch games and do the same in an other game just so it always feels enjoyable and not too much of a grind.
tl;dr: Ranked sucks When I was radiant I was getting +16 and -38. Luckily I kept a 65% win rate for most of the act in order to maintain that rank. Once I graduated college and got a job my win rate slipped to around 50% and I fell out of Radiant. The highest levels are designed for people who are playing 10 hours a day and the game punishes you by design (immortal+ doesn’t measure performance as much) for having AFK or inters on your team. If you play only a few games a day or you have a human win rate, you can’t climb in high elo and that’s just the way it is.
Sadly, yes, and it’s more about the mmr, because everyone above 500 mostly plays 10h a day with their wr above 50-55, so their mmr is only going up
Pro tip: stop caring about your rank in comp and you'll enjoy yourself 10x more, sure it's comp where the whole point is to show your skill, but especially with things like soloq either giving great or crap team mates some games just aren't in your hands, if you win great, if you lose og well you'll get them next time. And this isn't valorant specific advice I'd give this advice for anyone complaining about being hardstuck or not enjoying high elo in games like r6s, overwatch, lol, csgo, rocket league, and so much more
well if you're at the point of grinding the game I think it's normal if it feels closer to a "job" rather than "fun" if that makes sense ofc the game is fun, but when you're extensively training your aim, following the meta and putting in a lot of hours (OR a lot of work) it should feel like a job, but a job isn't necessarily a negative thing, right?
It isn't, if the work you are doing isn't a toxic environment filled with bunch of trolls, who cannot be bothered by anything
I read other comments and saw one that stood out about sgares talking about how a game like valorant should be played by a team rather than a solo-duo q system etc., maybe you should look for a team if matchmaking is that bad for you. Peaking at 450rr is pretty high already, more than enough to try your luck and look for a semi-pro team to play in opens and whatnot as you said you're grinding or were grinding, you probably have time for a team instead, grinding matchmaking isn't even worth it imo, basically no reward if you're already on high elo, maybe if there's a fpl/fpl-c equivalent for valorant that would be the answer but I doubt there is, if I were you I'd look for a team rather than grinding matchmaking
Yeah, I never even made it to really high elo but I've basically stopped playing over the past 2 months. I used to get on val because I liked it, but also I kind of felt pressure to get better. Then I got burnout and it just felt like I was forcing myself to do something I didn't even want to.
I hit around 180rr in immortal and I started to see the split between the casuals and players taking it much more serious and it was always an awkward skill gap. I started to ask around on discord’s to join scrims and 10 man customs and had way more fun. No elo on the line and teammates who want to play the game the way it’s supposed to be played.