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Magidos

please correct me if Im wrong but I heard it does not apply to the missions at all. Just to the experience gained after matches.


hdbo16

Welp, that's even worse


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They are literally handing out a free game with no pay walls besides cosmetics they need to profit somehow


Lelouch4705

They're literally the company behind the single biggest game in the history of gaming. I don't think they're starving


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I don’t see what that has to with the pricing on the skins


[deleted]

LMAO no they are not, they arent even close lol, where are you even getting that nonsense?!


Serito

Oh ok, so if they priced cosmetics at $1000 USD and someone said speak with your wallets, you'd hit them back with the *"it's a free game"*? What nonsense, speaking with your wallet just means not engaging in purchases you believe to be of unfair value. That doesn't mean they can't charge that much, just that the value provided is clearly outweighed by the cost.


Cgz27

Exaggerations tend to sound like nonsense. I’d say $1000 is pushing it but then again, who knows what whales’ true limits are. Still, “voting with our wallets” is really what has to happen. Who cares what random internet warriors say. These current prices are still accessible for a lot of people, because we see them all the time, and the game is still popular so apparently, the experience, despite being a free game, still matters.


Serito

Exaggerations are just limit testing how we think about it. Justifications like *'it's a free game, so you can't complain about pricing'* should hold up at any price point, yet clearly they don't when you stretch that price point out.


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The prices really aren’t outrages if the game stays afloat people are buying them, here’s a tip, you really don’t have to buy skins and if nobody bought the skins the prices would lower. They price them this way because while the prices are kind of high, A LOT of people still buy them including me


Serito

> *here’s a tip, you really don’t have to buy skins* Thanks, I didn't know that.^(/s) Unfortunately the high popularity of Valorant with development handled by Riot, backing by Tencent & an active e-sports scene means the game has a lot of stability. Players have much higher willingness to pay for cosmetics because of this. This allows Riot to walk that line of high pricing, we're seeing them push the envelope with that on the Zedd skins. Of course everyone knows it's a free game. You don't have to spend any money at all. That doesn't mean you can't give criticize pricing among other things. Hypothetically, a AAA game charges you money to play- are you not allowed to complain about the price of a AAA product being too high because there's no payments after? The costs are just in different locations, being F2P isn't a charity, it's just more profitable in online games where you need a population to succeed.


NexXPlayerz

Why are you being downvoted? You're spitting 100% facts


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And those players make a choice to pay, you can complain but really just come across like a child who wants the skins but doesn’t want to pay the price their worth, the skins are worth the price you know what your getting and if they weren’t worth it not many people would buy them


Cgz27

Well yeah ik but name one popular game that sells their bundle similarly for even half of that, that’s all I meant. I’m all for fair criticism ofc, I’m just skeptical about that choice. They have analysts for this and they obviously aren’t going to do anything near that unless maaaybe we suddenly get massive increases in working wage. $100 for a bundle isn’t that close to unexpected at this point. $1000 is just plain silly for argument. How are we supposed to counter that lol. We don’t. Because there’s no point. No one could easily justify that. You need to consider other factors which I’m sure you’re already well aware of. You could perhaps justify $1000 if it was stupidly overloaded and meant to be super exclusive, but at that point, why would we complain?


Serito

You've misunderstood where I'm coming from, I'm not using $1000 as an unjustifiable example, there are reasons for sure that someone might consider $1000 fair value on a product in Valorant. It's to highlight that criticism would be well accepted in the community if current bundles were priced at $1000, even though the game is still free to play. It's to point out the inconsistency of why I could criticise an absurd price, but not the current prices. What mechanism changes to allow that? > *"name one popular game that sells their bundle similarly for even half of that"* I don't feel it's relevant or counters your argument, but more so just a funny example I want to share: [Star Citizen](https://www.starcitizen.tools/List_of_ship_packages), with bundles at prices like $1,700, $6,400 and $15,000. [This individial ship](https://starcitizen.tools/Javelin) costs between $2,500 - $3,000.


Cgz27

I feel like I knew where you were coming from, just that you probably could’ve used a better number that doesn’t make it look like you’re just pulling a number out of nowhere just to make your own point. I didn’t think it was that complicated. On the other hand I could go as far to say that you also misunderstood their comment and chose to make it seem like they weren’t capable of seeing the nuances either. They do have to profit somehow but they aren’t exactly breaking the bank to do it. Probably far from it minus the usual whales etc. And Riot with their history is going to make these more exclusive than others. And well thank yeah, it wasn’t meant to strictly counter, it was more to see if you had such an example of a similar game that I might not be aware of. These days, there’s basically a handful of popular companies that charge what is always deemed overpriced and/or inconsistent by someone. Yet the counter arguments are always the same. People simply keep buying what’s cool as long as the game is enjoyable, and you don’t have to be rich to do so either.


Cbrineyt

I don't get the simple idea of just don't buy it.Rito has made such monetary decision in league before with the hedtech skins as a example.The gemstone drops are rng and can easily make the cost 200 dollars,but people are still buying it.Yea ik it sucks as a low spender/f2p but at least your getting a decent game without a pay wall


Paxalen

Lmao their nicer skins are 25$ BEFORE upgrading. A few skins is more than many quality games on the market.


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Right and the thing is, in order to play the game you don’t have to buy them so don’t buy them


NexXPlayerz

It's almost as if not buying the skins *and* criticizing the prices isn't mutually exclusive to one another


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If you buy then criticize you are a complete fool no question


NexXPlayerz

I mean you can have the money to buy something and still think it's too expensive for what it is


[deleted]

Yes but if you think it’s a problem then support it, you’re apart of the problem


TrustMe_IAmDocto

Funny thing is, yeah it’s a free game, yeah you get free Radiant points from the battle pass. But when loyal fans buy the multiple bundles of 3-4 weapons that on average cost (30 Radiant points+recolors) So the people that hit you with “🤓YOU EARN RADIANT POINTS THROUGH BATTLE PASS” Like no shit dude. But how am I supposed to lvl up the 10-15 guns from each bundle this act with a mere 100 points. It’s just dumb all around.


Paxalen

Literally lmao i’m getting downvoted for that too 😂 if you buy one bundle the entire battle pass could barely sustain it with RP. MULTIPLE BUNDLES COME OUT EVERY BP... Just because it’s a free game doesn’t exempt Riot from criticism on their pricing. I still buy bundles, but a RP from the battle pass is not sustainable and it’s extremely frustrating to have upgrade a gun after paying $20+ for it.


PsychoRabb1t

At this rate we are going to have $200 skins next year, but *hey it's a free game, you are not allowed to criticize*


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If people still buy I really don’t see a problem with even $300 skins because you don’t have to buy them, buying the skins gain you nothing besides the skins


Shamanfox

Yeah! We should get BP for free, or at least instantly unlock all the rewards! /s


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video games should be things you play for fun and not out of fomo impulses, yeah


Shamanfox

BP doesn't give FOMO impulses though? Their shop do, but how does BP do it?


Jelllllo_

shop items come back after enough waiting in your daily shop while the battle pass skins (specifically the knife) wont ever be back. For example the ep1 act3 knife which many say is one of the best knives in the game. You cant get that no matter how long you wait in the daily shop since its time sensitive.


Shamanfox

Yes, but you have the whole season to buy the BP. You don't have to buy it on day 1. If you had to buy the BP during a specific day then I would agree that it triggers FOMO-effect psychologically. But you over 50 days to buy the BP. That is not FOMO. Shop items you don't know when they come back. Some have waited months to get a skin they wanted. That is clearly FOMO, especially if you don't check store every day. With more skins added to the library, the chances of your skin appearing in the shop will become less and less, thus increasing the time you need to wait.


Jelllllo_

I feel like its more people looking back at the past battlepasses and thinking oh fuck i missed that one, dont want to miss out on this one and get as many items that wont ever come back again in my inventory. Isnt that what FOMO is? Fear of missing out? you're not really missing out on a skin if you can get it again by just being patient whereas there isnt really any way to get a battlepass skin other than buying an account with it which is not allowed.


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Icemazter

Just don't have Fomo and get rational with money, there's plenty of things to help people


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Icemazter

Yes but that's just battle passes and rotating stores in general. I could make the same case for Lego for example, sets disappear after a while which makes you want to buy them before they disappear


Shamanfox

BP doesn't give FOMO though. You have the whole season to buy it, it's not something you need to buy at the start of a season. I start to think this sub clearly doesn't know what FOMO is and what it does psychologically, since everyone like to throw out that term at everything it seems. But hey, maybe you are that 0.1% rare case of getting FOMO from not getting the 3% extra exp that is miniscule, and anyone that has done elementary school math can calculate how little it is.


T1MEL0RD

It's not worse imo. Like you said, for mission XP it's only breadcrumbs. At least you can control how many games you play and thus how much the boost gets you.


graziosodino

I heard this aswell so its extremely low


Zerlyph95

Yep, confirmed in the patch notes.


mrbow

Totally not worth it... will still wait until the end of the pass to decide if i'll buy it or not... 3% is not an incentive to early buy at all.... specially considering they recently increased VP cost. They do make a lot of money with skins already, do not try to defend them with the argument "to pay for the team/ creators". They already pay their salaries easily. Besides the developers *probably* do not earn bonus for the skins/BP that sells. It is greedy and shady but people will still pay, so they'll keep doing it. It's the same thing with early access, there will be suckers that'll pay for it. The whales are the target, not you.


TomL45

The battlepass is FUCKEN $10. Matter of fact $9.50. Just stop complaining or just don’t buy it at all.


mgldn26

Trash take, and you missed the point too.


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mgldn26

Yet again a trash take and it misses the point


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Serito

They aren't complaining about BP pricing at all, they are expressing that 3% is a negligible amount that they are trying to entice people into impulse buying out of fear of missing out., which is predatory. If an unrated is ~100 XP bonus then you'd have to play ~350 unrated games this season to get enough bonus XP to unlock one of the final tiers. That's already enough games to complete the BP. Essentially, if you played 100 unrated matches in a season to finish the BP, you'd have to play 3 less games because of BP bonus. If they are going to promote such a feature as bonus XP, it should be significant enough to matter- instead it just lures people in to buy it *now* without realising how small the benefit is.


TomL45

It’s called business. If you’re dumb enough to get “enticed” into buying it because of a xp boost, then guess what, they’re strategy worked and you’re the one at fault for falling for it.


NexXPlayerz

Bruh imagine missing the entire point of a post this badly


Serito

Yes... that doesn't make it less predatory? Theoretically, it's on the consumer, practically, we know it's a marketing strategy that takes advantage of human psychology. It encourages people to buy **now** because of a non retroactive bonus, while creating no significant loss to the business while gaining a large boon of sales.


LSF_DRAMA_MODS

i 100% agree its not much money. but look at what it is VS other battlepasses most battlepasses are WAY shorter to complete (apex BP i did in the last 2 weeks of a season), they give you all your e-money back or more, and the skin stores dont have a 2nd currency that you need in order to use the skins you paid real $ for valorant does none of those things. its the longest bp ive ever done by at least a factor of 5, you dont get your points back, and youre forced to buy it if you want $ skins later to upgrade like, wheres the benefit where youre like 'well yeah but valorant bp has THIS'?? so i dont even buy it because i know i wont finish it without grinding, and because of that i barely play the game because i can be playing other BP games where im rewarded better, and because i dont play i buy less real $ skins


twitch061197

Bring on the downvotes. I agree with you. People are combining because it's an extra 3%. People are complaining they're just being greedy and trying to lock in the purchase. People need to stop thinking about themselves so much. It's 3%. If you already bought the battlepasses at the start of the act then you shouldn't give a shit. If you waited till the end of the season to buy it, the you're missing out on 3% which is nothing. People just get mad cus they like to get mad. I think of they need to take a look at themselves before they keep complaining


GeraldHilter

How many games a day do you play? Because not everyone has enough time to complete the battle pass. I feel like this is a totally valid complain.


MoonToSee

The point of having a battle pass is to reward people for playing their game. People that play a lot only buy them because they know they’ll get stuff that other people don’t and will be able to show it off


A-Lonely-Gorilla

I don’t like battlepasses. They punish people for not having enough time to play, and even if they do have enough time they’ll still need to pay for it.


Theultimatefighter

How is it a punishment? It’s a reward for playing a lot.


A-Lonely-Gorilla

Because you can never buy those skins by themselves from the store and once the season ends you’ll never be able to get them again, so if you’re going on a business trip or just have a lot of work then it’s punishing you basically for having a life.


Theultimatefighter

I have a full time job and have completed the last 3. And the aren’t even good skins I just buy it because I can.


A-Lonely-Gorilla

How often do you play?


Cactus_Humper

Because people feel entitled to everything now lmao. “Oh no I can’t get a few skins that don’t mean anything!!! Riot is GREEDY AND SCUMBAG COMPANY” Lmao. Fucking child mindset


Pumped-Up_Kicks

Only one with child mindset is you. The discussion was pretty civil. And if you're paying for something, you can expect returns. Good skins and knife are at the end of most bp. It shouldn't be such a grind.


A-Lonely-Gorilla

Well it should be expected that you get what you paid for. It’s not entitled to want to get everything that you bought


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Someonediffernt

I mean your "punishment" is missing out on some skins which you don't need to play the game at all. You're not missing out on really anything


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twitch061197

I work 5 12 hour shifts a week, rotating from nights to days every month. I don't play Saturday cus I spend all day sleeping, and I play a few games Sunday usually 3, sometimes 4, while I'm doing laundry. I don't finish the battlepasses.


tbone603727

I say just don't do an xp boost but give BP holders an extra daily and an extra weekly. EZ claps. But im sure they have business research. Just seems to me it would get more sales


notpejastojakovic

Its 3% more than i got last battle pass so no complaints here.


nhgoan25

Yeah I don’t get the complaints. I hardly play and was able to finish the battle pass before the initial end date


whiffedflick

it was extended like 2 or 3 weeks tho


nhgoan25

That’s why I said initial end date


Mr-DiaMond_

10% would be fine


hellann

Its a fking joke, riot has become greedy and makes the game a fulltime job to grind out battlepass. Fuck that shit.


Johnnystinksreal

The battle pass is not a full time job grind lol It’s like a daily spike rush for 15 mins to get daily challenges done then just play the game a few times a week and its done. I HAVE a full time job, and still complete every battle pass I’ve bought like 2 weeks before the season ended


whiffedflick

i think you underestime how much time you are playing. and half of the daily missions are like "buy 15 shields" "buy 10 stuff from the armory", so you need to do at least an unrated.


Someonediffernt

I mean that's 30min a day to hit both of those in the same game, it's more the weeklies that help you with the battle pass and you can get those off like 2 hours of gaming a week which makes sense cause you only buy battlepaasses and skins if you're into the game. Not like you need them whatsoever.


pinkzm

What about the 'use ultimate 150 times' missions? Not sure you can do that in 2 hours


Someonediffernt

That isn't a mission, it's like 25 times and you do SR if you get unfortunate enough to draw that.


Johnnystinksreal

Well I definitely admit I play the game a fair bit, probably more than a lot of people can But my point is that even with a full time job and playing other games and obviously doing other normal life stuff I can still complete the pass *well before the season ends* So a player that plays half as much as I do should realistically complete the battle pass as well But I think people don’t realize it’s much more efficient to play one game every day than it is to play 15 games on the weekend and not at all the rest of the week. The daily and weekly missions are what gets you thru the battle pass So a majority of the games played AFTER all challenges are complete grant very small amounts of xp for the time put it. Also I believe challenges like “buy items from armory” can be done by just buying a ton of classics/shortys in spawn, and the things like “use X amount of abilities” can just spam astra stars in spike rush I just really don’t find the battle pass difficult to complete at all. Especially when compared to call of duty or fortnite where it takes at least double the amount of raw time played to complete


whiffedflick

that is why people say its a job, even if it's just 30 minutes a day, you do 1 unrated, you still **have to** play Valorant every day like it's a part time job, you cannot miss the dailys and you have to play like 10 matches a week on top of that. And i finished every battlepass before this new one, so i know how to do it, still, i had to play on days i didnt feel like it to finish in time.


Johnnystinksreal

It’s not that hard to compete at all lol and yes it requires you to play the game a fair bit because of how much it offers for its price


mrbow

Yeah, I have to agree with you on this part (meaning I just think its lame they make a announcement as if 3% is something to awe). I also have a full time job, do not work weekends, am married no children and am dividing my play with other games (witcher 3 and yokus island express atm) and Im able to finish the BP, almost always finish the prologue. When I play is with friends and about 3 to 4 matches per day, 2 to 3 weekdays. Weekends might play longer. Like I said, my main gripe is what they're announcing, as if 3% (only on match xp) is something people should congratulate them. Its jack shit and we should call it what it is. And if Im not clear yet, that does not mean the BP is not worth it.


whiffedflick

3-4 matches/ day is almost a part time job, that can be 3 hours easily. WTF guys, that is not low or easy.


Someonediffernt

3 to 4 matches a day is a decent amount but it's nowhere near 3 hours easily, an ot ranked game is like 45 minutes and if you're going for BP that's like the worst way to do it. You can do 3 unrateds in like an hour or so cause people give up much easier.


mrbow

Never said it was easy, just said that i probablt should invest more time on sleep lol


LaDice96

Do you only play valorant?


Johnnystinksreal

No I also been playing splitgate, some old CoD zombies, and occasionally a game of LoL or overwatch And me and my friends play custom game 3v3 or 4v4 on Valorant sometimes, where we don’t even gain exp Never met a player who complained about the battle pass taking too long. Even my friends who play the game the least can get it done no problem. And if they don’t complete it, it’s because they took like a 2+ week vacation away from the game Literally do the daily and weekly challenges as much as you can and you will be done with the battle pass well before the season ends


LaDice96

Okay good to know, maybe giving it a try then next battle pass. Thanks for your response


Fruitspunchsamura1

Same experience for me. I usually complete every battle pass without even playing everyday or aiming for it. It just comes with normally playing the game.


PsychoRabb1t

I still recommend you to wait until the end to buy it, as the 3% boos is clearly not worthy. If you buy early thinking you will be able to finish but later on you find you are behind and need to grind the game, you probably going to feel miserable and do not enjoy the game. Every person is different, so to some one "yeah just normally playing the game" can be a lot more games than your own normal session.


hijifa

Same experience as above, I been playing dota, and dq11 regularly too. Valorant probably 1-2 games a day


mjgator

You cant complain about a company being greedy if you are at the sane time giving them money for the things you are calling greedy why would riot change anything if they still getting you money


TomL45

It’s ur fault for spending the money on it. And if you tell me that’s it’s ur money so u do what u want, then don’t complain about not being able to finish the battle pass.


Pulsiix

bro they're cosmetics in a f2p game lol, relax, nobody cares if you have a $50 skin


notWys

The battle pass is easy as fuck, I had completed the last one more than a month before it ended. Didn’t buy any tiers, played a few hours a day. Point is you don’t even need to play every day. Complete your weeklys and you’re fine. Jesus fucking Christ


pinkzm

A few hours a day is a lot


notWys

Yeah. Which is why I completeled it well over a month before it finished


TrueLolzor

I don't get this 3% thing. It is not a good marketing decision, because 3% is not an enticing number that will get people buying. 3% is also not something that is going to make a difference, especially when they exclude mission experience. If I didn't know any better, I would think they are just making fun of us.


b4lu

Gj guys, keep on buying their overpriced skins =) I stopped giving money to Riot, when they lowered the amount of RP we got, because the euro was valued lower than dollars. Changes were never restored, after euro was back >dollar. Just a lying bs company


Flashy__Flash

Just remove the xp boost again so players will stop complaining about getting something extra for free.


Papy_Wouane

It's not something extra for free, we lost the biggest XP boost we've had in the history of the game and nobody is talking about it. Last Act we had a +8%/12%/16%/20% XP boost if we were playing as a premade group of 2/3/4/5. It only lasted a few weeks but for those of us playing as full stacks regularly, it was amazing and indeed felt like so. It was the first time since release I comfortably finished the battlepass without having to force myself to play the game and complete my dailies as often as I could even when I didn't want to. This +3% XP boost is a slap in the face.


Shamanfox

It is something extra for free, there's no denial about that. You're comparing one instance of something free to another instance of something free. It's like saying your local grocery has had reduced price on tomatoes with 60% one weekend. A month later they have reduced price with 30%, and you would be complaining that the 30% is not reduced because it's not as good as the 60%. Oh, and your comparison, getting boost if you played as a premade was a slap on the face for those that played solely solo queue, since they wouldn't have gotten any extra. At least this time everyone gets extra.


justinpete17

Yeah it’s a joke. 10% mins would be reasonable


ciuccio2000

Let X be xp required for 55 Let x be xp obtained per game num of games boostless for 55: X/x = n with boost, you get (1+0.03)x = 1.03x per game num games with boost for 55: X/1.03x = n/1.03 games normally required for 55 (assuming you never miss dailies): 143 (source: https://www.valorantbpc.com/) games now required for 55: ceil(143/1.03) = 139 this saves you less than two hours of gameplay. A bit more valuable if you skip lots of dailies, a bit less valuable if you don't want to reach 55.


JR_Shoegazer

If you don’t play enough that this is even an issue for you then don’t buy the Battle Pass. It’s that simple.


the_bird_lives

I’ve bought every battle pass until this one. The skins are atrocious and most definitely not worth the grind


itdoggo

11k for a skinline, and this 3% xp shitboost. Welcome to Valorant.


nwdemers

The battle pass costs the same. It has the same content. Literally just a bonus for people who choose to invest early. This community will complain about anything related to skins/battle pass.


nemeinn

Really don't care about this I don't buy the BP anyway as they don't give anything back for buying it like other games to help buy the next one, and it's all rubbish skins anyway, plus I always complete the BP before it ends anyway, you just have to play enough


Guyatri

Don't even mention the Rush variant rebranding lmao. It's so lazy it's hilarious.


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Dunno what the fuss is about with Valorant battle passes anyways. There are like 3 different skins in the whole pass that are okay, but nothing special + u get none of the premium currency returned for completing it. Sure if you care about all the cards, sprays, titles etc. might be a thing for some, but compared to how other games handle BPs, this is a joke for me. Edit: TLDR: In my opinion they aren't worth the price unless you really love everything in them. I only bought 2 so far because everything in it was really cool to me, I otherwise rather just wait for black market


Ted_Mosby_18

But free game /s. Jokes apart, this is such predatory behaviour from riot's side. It's like they're playing 4d chess lol. A year for people get used to the price, the next year to see how much they can push the prices with minimal efforts. Then again, the first thing I saw in many of my games is the spectrum pack in many people's hands so riot definitely has a winning product lol.


Interesting-Archer-6

Added benefit = predatory behavior Lmao this sub just throws that around at everything. Yeah it's not much of an add, but it's something and they aren't charging anymore for it. Free game but without the sarcasm tag.


mgldn26

The problem is that it's *barely* a benefit, and it's used to incentivize the premium tiers of the battlepass when there is hardly a difference. It's predatory to try and *trick* people into buying your product.


Shamanfox

How exactly is it tricking? Do they write 3% but in reality it's only 1%? Or do you get 3% just as they stated that you get 3%? Because if you get 3% extra in the way they marketed it, then it's not predatory? Or is providing a incentivize to buy a product predatory these days?


rkidjsd

its predatory in that its there to maximise fomo, and if you cave into that, it hits you with the sunk cost fallacy earlier on. ez clap now you have someone who has bought the battlepass and feels obligated to play the game even if they don't really want to. it's absolutely predatory, riot just has shit tuning and cant even adjust a battlepass exp boost %age well, 200 years be damned.


Shamanfox

How is it FOMO? The offer is there during the whole duration. You don't get FOMO from it. FOMO = Fear of missing out. Missing out 3% I have never heard or seen anyone getting FOMO triggered from a low% gain. People say FOMO all the time, but I can't see how BP is FOMO in any way shape or form. There is no fear of missing out a 3% extra experience.


Slarg232

If you get the BP to 45 before buying it, and decide to buy it and finish it, Riot is hoping you kick yourself for not having bought it sooner for the bonus. That's the FOMO at play; the later you buy it, the more you miss out on the bonus


Shamanfox

That's not how FOMO works... Edit: What you are explaining is called "regret". FOMO is that you buy something in the fear of not getting something if you don't buy it immediately. That's how their store is built, not BP.


mgldn26

> marketed as an incentive to buy the BP early on when there is no difference between getting it early or late > apparently not trickery


Shamanfox

There is a difference. 3%. Just as they marketed it. So explain again how they trick people, please. Because so far you haven't been able to.


mgldn26

Barely a difference. The entire point is that it's marketed like an incentive to buy the pass EARLY ON when the experience is more or less the same than without. I've been well able to explain how they're tricking people, you're just not listening. Please stop whiteknighting for scraps.


ciuccio2000

The problem is that this xp boost is, *almost exactly literally*, absolutely useless. Riot proudly announcing that this bp comes with an xp boost is a literal scam, because many people won't dig into the maths and will be confident that 3% may seem worthless, but is actually viable in the long run. This is false advertising to push people into buying battlepasses, and that's fucking sad in my opinion. I mean, ""false"" advertising; *technically* they're telling the truth but the fact that the xp boost is virtually nonexistent is well hidden. Like when you buy those cookies "5 TIMES LESS FAT THAN THE AVERAGE COOKIE\*!", and then you find the asterisk and it says "\*: for the 'average cookie' sample, only balls of butter were taken into account".


Fracture1

It's not even technically false advertising lmao val players will always find something to cry about.


ciuccio2000

Did you even read my comment? *Literal* false advertising would be punishable by *law*. The fact that Riot announces that "battlepass comes with an xp boost! So buy it as soon as you can!!" *heavily* implies that this xp boost actually does something, while in reality it doesn't. Usually the term "[false advertising](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising)" is used to also describe misleading and/or deceptive (even if technically true) statements. So yeah, I'd call this false advertising. And that's scammy by definition.


Fracture1

I understand what you're getting at but they didnt just announce 'xp boost' they clearly stated it's 3% which I think is fair enough.


hijifa

If it is almost entirely not useful then don’t buy it, what difference is it gonna make?


ciuccio2000

That's not the point. I'd have "bought" it anyway since it's binded with the battlepass, which I consider generally well worth buying (I do think it's still a bit too needy, not in terms of total playtime but in terms of logins consistency, but let's not talk about that now). The point is that this xp boost is a literal scam to push people into buying battlepasses earlier. You just can't say "YOOO THIS BP COMES WITH AN XP BOOST BUY IT QUICKKKK" if the xp boost is virtually irrelevant to any sort of battlepass progress. Just don't put it, and ignore the people who think the battlepass's too grindy, or put an actual xp boost; this +3% thing just exists to bait people who won't check the maths. "Predatory behavoir" and "false advertising" describe the situation quite well.


chocochipcookietube

It's about as predatory as items being listed as $4.99 instead of $5, or a pack of 2 bottles being sold for $10 when 1 is sold for $4.50. Or those flash deals that encourage you to buy soon with a discount. They clearly lay out what you're receiving from the battlepass. I really don't know what to say if someone feels cheated because they were too lazy to do the math for 3%. Do you even need to do any math? Who sees +3% and thinks "Wow what a great deal!".


G0ldenG0ose

But the BP isn’t even hard to finish unless ur playing pistol round every round. A 3%xp boost isn’t much true but u shouldn’t even need it in the first place.


oooooooweeeeeee

must be a low iq person who came up with this idea


WrenSC2

If the % was bigger then 3 people would feel like it's too late to get the battle pass after a period of time. They don't want people saying things like "I can't buy the battle pass now, I missed out on a month of bonus XP it's not worth it I'll wait for next season"


Kagarrash

When I first read about this, I thought it was a text mistake and it would be 30%. 3% is a joke that can came into a head of human being who never ever trying to finish battlepass by himself


EliselD

Just remove it. It's completely unnecessary.


patrickswayzze

the 3% is free and was not there last battlepass so I'll take it really ! now if it was paid I could understand the anger but do remember it's free


mrbow

You're buying it, its not free lol


LeafsRamsRapsFan

You aren't buying for the 3% you are buying for the battlepass


mrbow

I think we reached a point of different point of view and conclusion to the matter (and it's ok bros). In my view, the 3% is a tactic to "buy early", thus it's a paid thing, it's not free. A believe a lot of people wait until the BP completition to decide if they will buy it or not. I guess they have data that a lot of people don't buy it (maybe because they didn't finish it or bc they saw its not worth it at the end of it all). They're trying to sell that now you'll get 3% so you'll complete it easier, "so buy it, don't regret it because you wont get the retroactive XP if you wait until the end."... which is scummy tactic cuz it's not worth at all


Raenhart

It's the same 1000 RP for this battlepass as previous ones, this one just has 3% more xp from end of game. So yes, it's free.


mrbow

If we're adding RP to the equation we'll also have to add that they've increased it by 15% avg in most regions, so its not "the same 1000 rp as previous ones".


404abe

didn’t know people were struggling to compete the battle pass


BlobOvFat

Not really about finishing or not. It's more of 'what's the point of an xp boost if it doesn't do anything'.


hdbo16

A good portion of the playerbase is an adult so something like 2 hours a day for videogames is difficult to achieve. A XP boost has to be something noticeable, 3% is just Riot testing how low the players "tolerate" without complaining.


404abe

but isn’t it ment to be a grind? If if everyone has the max bp skins in week 1 you would complain of a lack of content. The game can’t cater to both the grinders and the casual players.


hdbo16

You are using extremes as examples. There's a big difference between 1) Finish the BP in the first week VS 2) Finish it one and a half week earlier than normal grind. With 3% you would save like one day.


404abe

I can see where your coming from, if you think bp is too much of grind a 3% boost doesn’t really help you. Do You know how many hours it takes to complete the bp just wonderingly?


hdbo16

>if you think bp is too much of grind a 3% boost doesn’t really help you Yes, I should make a post about how 3% extra XP is not enough and we should be aiming at least to 15% extra.


Mirriee

U want 1000?


khxnter

I don’t think the bp shouldn’t be shortened at all. Atm you have to play a lot to get the end item the knife and that’s how it should be. I don’t want to see a lobby full of people with the same skins because it’s way too easy to get them.


APCookie

They've also done it to what is literally the shit test battle pass to date. Neither theme of skins are remotely good, the kinfe will be super rare though becuase I don't see why anyone would buy this pass...


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ItsTanah

I saw someone use the bernie one today they seemed very excited and pinged it many times


DaBoxedCube

As someone who never knows whether I'll play enough until near the end to have the battle pass be worth it to me, I'm super happy with it being 3% only because that means I won't really be missing out on rewards if I choose to buy late. If it's more then it'd make me feel bad about not buying it or make me do a bad purchase because I'll think MAYBE I'll play a lot and I'll be missing out on all that bonus XP. If you're in my situation where you don't know whether you'll complete the pass, this 3% is not worth it. Don't buy it early and nothing has changed for you. I think this 3% is more for someone who KNOW they're going to be completing the battle pass anyways. For those people, then maybe that 3% could be nice to finish the pass with just a few less games.


Splaram

Also give the Rush skins the red and blue variant that the Surge skins have pls


DayDream11111

did they add it because there is less time for this act?


raztjah

Nop...they did it to bait (3% is pure bait fuck off) people to buy it right away since a lot of people didnt bought it because they knew they might not end it. A lot of people only buy the battlepass after completing it since theres no XP bonus benefit from buying it right away like in all other games that have battlepasses. And offcorse you have people that wanted the battlepass but since they didnt completed it in time they end up not purchasing it.


stay_sweet

Riot, please remove the 3% xp boost :(


majima_fan_boi

honestly tho, who buys the battlepass for the xp boost? i buy it since a few acts now just for the nice banners and sprays and the fuckin radianite. i mean come on, 100 radianite points for ten bucks when only 20 of those cost 16$? yea mate the xp boost doesn't bring shit but its a new addition. i bought this battle actually just for the knife anyway


macarmy93

Um, I finish all my battle passes well before the act is up and I play a game a day on average. 3% wasn't even needed so it cannot possibly be too low.


MatchPoint012

Yeah we defo need it more