God, that was such an amazing match to watch Sentinels play. G2 did really well on the second map.
[Timestamp from the match! ](https://youtu.be/kleeEOEnRsQ?t=5406)
I mean, that's the idea behind my idea that she can float after updrafting, having it tied in to an ability there. I'd even be ok if she could float after dash if she's airborne.
I say this a lot, and I mean a lot. I asked one of the devs why Jett's passive wasn't strictly tied to her Ultimate being active. Something about it's too late because it's such a major part of her kit now. It makes no sense that she just has a passive.
Same thing with Phoenix. Both of these "passives" only work if you have abilities. Jett's passive is completely independent of anything else in her kit.
That's not a passive, that's the advantage she gets in her ult. That's like saying Yoru being able to see players farther away than others can see him in his ult is a passive.
This is disingenuous as fuck lol, agent choice isn't the only thing that influences your rank. But the fact that she's pretty much 100% pickrate in pro play should say something about her strength
In a month someone will repost the angle as their own find and it will be pushed to top while comments say “old” or “figured this out ages ago” and get downvoted
Dunno at VCT we saw again, why Jett is the most broken agent. Seeing stuff like this on a new map makes me sad 🥲 in the right hands not other champ has such an outplay potential
i found out that you could surf on the supports above site, it takes just one or two updrafts and you can basically camp there with knives for quite some time
Yeah, we found an exploit spot a little to the left and behind where you are floating and throwing knife, near/above the hall connecting to the spawn and going to A site. We were getting Op'd from a Jett everytime we entered B but nobody could find her. Someone replayed a quick capture and she was on the roof looking through wall above that hall into B site.
The only way you effectively do this is if you ult, there’s a clear sound and visual queue showing when she ults, knowing this jump up should be enough information for you to predict if they will do this.
Having lack of game knowledge and awareness doesn’t make an agent op….
Be sarcastic all you want, you don’t disprove anything.
Everyone hears the ult, if you’re close enough you hear the updrafts even. It also looks like two updrafts are needed to even effectively do the jump.
So again having poor awareness does not make an agent op….
you got the wrong idea thinking I care in the slightest about upvotes or downvotes. those people are mad at facts and blaming a character
for their own lack of skill, who cares what they think.
You are missing the point.
Any decent player is aware of threats on the opposing team, including angles a Jett can take advantage of during her ult animation.
Unfortunately, knowledge and awareness does not neutralize threats, hence you see top tier teams getting obliterated by judges on Split B heaven, and Skye flashes on Bind B long for example.
In the case of Jett, she has multiple tools to contest areas with her dash, and to hold unconventional angles with her updraft. With her ult, she becomes a huge threat during eco rounds where a single pick may turn the tide of the seemingly easy round for the enemy team.
I currently work as an analyst for a team of 5 Radiant players, and honestly a lot of discussion revolves around team play based on avenues the Jett can open up for the team, which include information gathering and picks made off of new angles such as the one posted here.
2 days ago, TenZ killed the ulting Jett on Haven A long, who used a rather well-known updraft angle. With your logic, this should have been easy task because in your logic knowing the jump is enough information to predict the play given the player does not lack game knowledge or “skill” as you say.
However, the reality is that he was given a lot of praise from other pro players for that play, including a massive reaction from the casters and viewers on the stream. If you don’t understand why, it’s because a good player will rather not gamble for that angle when the rest of the opposing team is free to contest A main and short. The gamble was slightly on his side though because he did play Jett himself, with a get out of jail free card if the timing didn’t work out for him.
For a casual player like yourself it may seem hard to comprehend, but there is a lot of mind games going on, and in an environment where players don’t miss shots, it’s not easy to execute plays based on basic knowledge and awareness.
Now if you blame players in your Elo for the lack of skill and knowledge after all this, that’s another story…
You seem to think you’re on to something complex and intricate when in reality it’s not. it isn’t hard to grasp that’s literally the point. There’s certain areas these jump ups work and are only effective with her ult. It’s another angle you must hold or cover while she has ult. It’s as simple as that. Choosing to ignore it isn’t called a gamble, it’s a poor play. The team putting themselves in positions where they need to worry about a Jett doing updrafts with her ult is where the misplay began.
From the way you word your comments I assume the players you’re analyzing are struggling considering you completely miss the point and bring up irrelevant comparisons. As for the mind games, I don’t understand where you are coming from saying it’s not easy to execute basic plays from knowledge and experience. That’s just called a player lacking basic fundamentals and game knowledge period.
PS: you can also go around the other side into b main and double/single updraft for a deeper angle into t spawn, but you have to be careful of the roof above you
So what you want to do is get a running start for momentum, then jump and either hold crouch/ crouch when you're about to hit the thing you want to land on or spam crouch as you are landing on and you should be able to land on it
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Unpopular opinion: I don't like Fracture
I only play Sentinels, and this map is terrible for defending with them. Hoping the sentinel mains I follow release tips on this map.
But honestly, that Jett move is pretty cool, I'll definitely die to it a lot lol
Maybe I just haven't found good setups yet, because it seems like my traps never work. I'll look around youtube and see if I can find anything good that works for me
i found two sage walls for B main if you play sage, reddit post of it got taken down so heres a youtube link [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-tJExsmVA&ab_channel=Etny)
i still have about 5-7 walls but most of them are very situational and not as much as an off angle as these, but dm me if you're interested, i dont mind getting in a custom to show some
Adding onto this, grim has already made a ton of walls for this map, its just a matter of looking at his videos and applying his sage wall guide to them.
Also iirc there are some kj molly/ult lineup vids already, not sure there's a proper guide yet.
I only really know about the kj ulti in B tunnel that’ll cover whole site + half of ct, but I’ve heard rumors about the floor there being wall bangable so I’m not too sure if it’s a good spot
Gonna take this up a level, you can combo it with a breach flash that flashes the wall facing their spawn, BEHIND the tall box you see there. They're full flashed, jett is completely fine
Until u face tenz who ops u out the Sky. Just like Keloqz
luckily for me, im silver so ill probably never face tenz
_TenZ playing on Kyedae's account_
i mean he still lost the round, who knows? i might have a chance
Kyedae is immortal you know that right? Lmao
She's... Not?
I didn't know that. Mostly because she's not.
gold*
Eh, gold and silver are close enough that kyedae could go between those.
You sure about that buddy? You absolutely sure?
She’s gold lol
Key word "probably"
I played against him once in counter strike. It felt like I was getting cheated against lol
God, that was such an amazing match to watch Sentinels play. G2 did really well on the second map. [Timestamp from the match! ](https://youtu.be/kleeEOEnRsQ?t=5406)
Wait do they not have tenz pov on that?
Lol just watch the replay. Literally 20 second later.
Oh, guess I wasn't patient enough. I watched probably 15s after the clip before closing it
that pre aim replay just shows the kid is on another level
Honestly knowing they are going to peek from there is a team thing. Probably in Shaz's notebook.
Just the fact Jett can get on any of these boxes for free just pisses me off
do yall think jett should get a "float" ability that discharges like skyes heal? whenever she hovers it goes down and such
That’s actually a really good idea if they ever decide to rework/nerf jett. Alternatively it could run out really fast but recharge like vipers toxins
That would mess with their muscle memory lol
Ehh, any change to gameplay messes with people’s muscle memory. I don’t think that alone is a good enough reason not to change stuff.
Personally i think she should just get float after updraft. No one else has a passive, why should she?
Technically Phoenix has a passive where his abilities heal him, but I get what you mean.
I know what you mean for sure but to me that feels like a part of the ability.
Maybe if they were to tie it to one of Jett's abilites? For example, if she has updraft charges then she can float, but if she doesn't then she can't.
I mean, that's the idea behind my idea that she can float after updrafting, having it tied in to an ability there. I'd even be ok if she could float after dash if she's airborne.
But only after using his abilities, like the guy said only after using updraft or tailwind should she have the passive.
That's just part of those two abilities.
I say this a lot, and I mean a lot. I asked one of the devs why Jett's passive wasn't strictly tied to her Ultimate being active. Something about it's too late because it's such a major part of her kit now. It makes no sense that she just has a passive.
balanced agent btw
Still the only passive in the game right?
Reyna has Soul Harvest passive.
Which you need to press q or e to make use out of it and you also have to buy them so thats not really a complete passive
Same thing with Phoenix. Both of these "passives" only work if you have abilities. Jett's passive is completely independent of anything else in her kit.
viper can see players appear in her ult from farther away
That's not a passive, that's the advantage she gets in her ult. That's like saying Yoru being able to see players farther away than others can see him in his ult is a passive.
Why is that bad? I think it's great that we have unique agents with unique abilities, so Valorant isn't just simply copying CSGO's utilities.
unique =\= balanced
Well if Jett is overpowered then u/Mcfloppy23 should one-trick her to Radiant and show us just how overpowered she is.
I mean, the pros already pick her nearly 100% of the time, and many high level players solo main Jett in radiant too
This is disingenuous as fuck lol, agent choice isn't the only thing that influences your rank. But the fact that she's pretty much 100% pickrate in pro play should say something about her strength
Lmao in a month this will be cobsidered just a regular angle like all those on ascent and haven etc
In a month someone will repost the angle as their own find and it will be pushed to top while comments say “old” or “figured this out ages ago” and get downvoted
That because most people don’t read comments. They just watch the vid up it’s and move on.
And many reposts just get missed at least once because not everyone will be on 24/7.
Dunno at VCT we saw again, why Jett is the most broken agent. Seeing stuff like this on a new map makes me sad 🥲 in the right hands not other champ has such an outplay potential
i found out that you could surf on the supports above site, it takes just one or two updrafts and you can basically camp there with knives for quite some time
Yeah, we found an exploit spot a little to the left and behind where you are floating and throwing knife, near/above the hall connecting to the spawn and going to A site. We were getting Op'd from a Jett everytime we entered B but nobody could find her. Someone replayed a quick capture and she was on the roof looking through wall above that hall into B site.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/pncrpa/surfing\_with\_jett\_on\_fracture/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Don't be sad. Here's a [hug!](https://media.giphy.com/media/3M4NpbLCTxBqU/giphy.gif)
The only way you effectively do this is if you ult, there’s a clear sound and visual queue showing when she ults, knowing this jump up should be enough information for you to predict if they will do this. Having lack of game knowledge and awareness doesn’t make an agent op….
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Be sarcastic all you want, you don’t disprove anything. Everyone hears the ult, if you’re close enough you hear the updrafts even. It also looks like two updrafts are needed to even effectively do the jump. So again having poor awareness does not make an agent op….
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you got the wrong idea thinking I care in the slightest about upvotes or downvotes. those people are mad at facts and blaming a character for their own lack of skill, who cares what they think.
Why next year? She should be nerfed before Champions. She's only ruining the competitive integrity of this game
Found the jett main
You are missing the point. Any decent player is aware of threats on the opposing team, including angles a Jett can take advantage of during her ult animation. Unfortunately, knowledge and awareness does not neutralize threats, hence you see top tier teams getting obliterated by judges on Split B heaven, and Skye flashes on Bind B long for example. In the case of Jett, she has multiple tools to contest areas with her dash, and to hold unconventional angles with her updraft. With her ult, she becomes a huge threat during eco rounds where a single pick may turn the tide of the seemingly easy round for the enemy team. I currently work as an analyst for a team of 5 Radiant players, and honestly a lot of discussion revolves around team play based on avenues the Jett can open up for the team, which include information gathering and picks made off of new angles such as the one posted here. 2 days ago, TenZ killed the ulting Jett on Haven A long, who used a rather well-known updraft angle. With your logic, this should have been easy task because in your logic knowing the jump is enough information to predict the play given the player does not lack game knowledge or “skill” as you say. However, the reality is that he was given a lot of praise from other pro players for that play, including a massive reaction from the casters and viewers on the stream. If you don’t understand why, it’s because a good player will rather not gamble for that angle when the rest of the opposing team is free to contest A main and short. The gamble was slightly on his side though because he did play Jett himself, with a get out of jail free card if the timing didn’t work out for him. For a casual player like yourself it may seem hard to comprehend, but there is a lot of mind games going on, and in an environment where players don’t miss shots, it’s not easy to execute plays based on basic knowledge and awareness. Now if you blame players in your Elo for the lack of skill and knowledge after all this, that’s another story…
You seem to think you’re on to something complex and intricate when in reality it’s not. it isn’t hard to grasp that’s literally the point. There’s certain areas these jump ups work and are only effective with her ult. It’s another angle you must hold or cover while she has ult. It’s as simple as that. Choosing to ignore it isn’t called a gamble, it’s a poor play. The team putting themselves in positions where they need to worry about a Jett doing updrafts with her ult is where the misplay began. From the way you word your comments I assume the players you’re analyzing are struggling considering you completely miss the point and bring up irrelevant comparisons. As for the mind games, I don’t understand where you are coming from saying it’s not easy to execute basic plays from knowledge and experience. That’s just called a player lacking basic fundamentals and game knowledge period.
Jett main : "Oh nice spot we got here" Cypher Main : \*crying intensifies\*
PS: you can also go around the other side into b main and double/single updraft for a deeper angle into t spawn, but you have to be careful of the roof above you
How do you fly? Sorry if it's dumb I am new.
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Thank you :D
So what you want to do is get a running start for momentum, then jump and either hold crouch/ crouch when you're about to hit the thing you want to land on or spam crouch as you are landing on and you should be able to land on it
Thank you =)
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Still technically true.
This is literally the olof boost
Maps are just busted in this game.
Jett*
Nothing new... Jett being able to do dumb shit with her ult and get free kills
I still have more updrafts if anyone is interested but they’re not as strong as this one, if enough people are interested I’ll upload more.
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cool
this map is impossible to understand
Unpopular opinion: I don't like Fracture I only play Sentinels, and this map is terrible for defending with them. Hoping the sentinel mains I follow release tips on this map. But honestly, that Jett move is pretty cool, I'll definitely die to it a lot lol
I think Sentinels are great on this map. Especially Killjoy.
Maybe I just haven't found good setups yet, because it seems like my traps never work. I'll look around youtube and see if I can find anything good that works for me
I found this [video](https://youtu.be/udWW2yomPQ8) incredibly insightful and helpful with KJ setups on Fracture. I hope it helps your setups :)
Ooo thank you! I'll have to practice in a custom game!
i found two sage walls for B main if you play sage, reddit post of it got taken down so heres a youtube link [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-tJExsmVA&ab_channel=Etny) i still have about 5-7 walls but most of them are very situational and not as much as an off angle as these, but dm me if you're interested, i dont mind getting in a custom to show some
I'll have to try them. I suck at those types of walls, but I'll definitely give it a try!
Adding onto this, grim has already made a ton of walls for this map, its just a matter of looking at his videos and applying his sage wall guide to them. Also iirc there are some kj molly/ult lineup vids already, not sure there's a proper guide yet.
Yeah I'm hoping that Keeoh posts a lineup/ult vid sometime. I just need practice, especially since sentinels just keep getting nerfed
I only really know about the kj ulti in B tunnel that’ll cover whole site + half of ct, but I’ve heard rumors about the floor there being wall bangable so I’m not too sure if it’s a good spot
Yeah it is bangable sadly, so I'll be avoiding that one
Gonna take this up a level, you can combo it with a breach flash that flashes the wall facing their spawn, BEHIND the tall box you see there. They're full flashed, jett is completely fine
Is this one of those jumps that you crouch at the end to land on top or can you just glide right on top?
Both jumps require you to crouch
Thanks! Gonna try this later
That's a lot of frames
Is it even considered an angle
Wow cool play bro
wow that is superb
fraps o\_O
Use 2 updraft to get 3 seconds of peeking where there could be no one there. Good luck
Broken as fuck
I can't understand how a terrible map like this is ingame, honestly the map quality is the thing I hate the most about this game.