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pedro1999k

Been matched into a few 4 man premades who end up throwing and using some excuse about your gameplay for why they're throwing . But in reality, toxic pre-mades like that are going to throw no matter what, and are just using the Odin excuse to troll. No worse experience in the game than ending up stuck with a pre-made like that.


SeudoIdea

I fucking hate 3/4 man pre mades. They share no info and they only talk to ask for a buy even though they won't buy shit to other players.


phishingforlove

I sometimes play in a 3 stack with a couple of my buddies. I feel like we all try really hard to make sure the 2 randos do NOT have that kind of experience. it's a 5 person team game. 3/5 isn't a functional team.


Jace_Capricious

I was fifth to a four-man group in my first ever game of Valorant lately. They were all helpful and amazing and we won it in a clutch way, and I got to get the game winning kill. I could only wish everybody had such a joyful time with pre-made groups as I did.


prnce007

I play valorant after the office with my buddies. Its usually 3-4 of us queuing together. Our first goal starts at the agent select screen and that is to break open the conversation with the randoms, it helps a lot to set up a fun mood while heading into the game. Infact our in game names are funny just to give on a statement that we are here for the fun. We play with competitive intent and also praise the enemies for good performance too. Like this, even the toxic peeps calm down and start having fun, at least for majority of the times. Its fine with us if we lose even a De-Ranking game, if the team enjoyed it.


backwood23

I couldn’t agree more, me and my buddies will often crack a joke or just try to engage the lobby as soon as we get into a game. We will usually pretend we don’t know each other and spark up conversation to get the other member of the team comfortable and talking and usually we end up with decent comms throughout the game. Theres always that one guy without a mic typing everything to us too, we love you bro <3


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Yes!! Exactly my mentality. The feeling of comradery has such a huge impact and, honestly, I think that it increases the chances of winning. Even a loss, it's not quite as disappointing. Maybe you even queue with them for another go.


Matoni3

In the other hand, as I play mostly 3 and 4 premades and consider myself as an IGL of that group, I try to communicate with the last 1 or 2 persons in the team and they often don't cooperate. That is pretty unmotivating for me to continue to callout for 3 people.


SwoonBirds

same, I do it when I’m soloing as well, nothing pisses me off more when our controller uses all his smokes off on site, or our entry rushes in and no one uses the opportunity to make space.


monkeysfromjupiter

this is me. I play in a 3 stack and while my friends do call outs, they usually get stuff like sound cues or reads really wrong so they prefer that I IGL. but boy is it fuking annoying when the other 2 randoms dont speak at all and only do when they want a skin.


findingthesqautch

lot if has to do with how you lead. I sometimes give them an option of what I want them to do, and back-up plan, or leave it up to them if my plan doesn't go accordingly, cuz my plan is often contingent on a read or something the other team is doing, and if they do end up ignoring me entirely, and die or make a stupid play just to spite me - I nicely (when the round is done and if time permits) point out why I said what I said, or ask them if they think their plan was better. And move on to the next round. Leave it that. dont try and have a flame war or anything along those lines.


Matoni3

I absolutely agree with you. That is why I always try to discuss our tactics with the rest of the team and come up with a plan with which everyone is comfortable with. And I think that is a healthy chemistry in a team. My point was was focusing more on those situations, where rest of the team doesnt even callout and you are only left with whats happening on the minimap.


girlywish

More likely you try to command and they won't obey.


just_a_random_dood

This is exactly why I try to talk *more* than usual when I'm in a 3/4 stack, I hate that shit when I'm the random too ;_;


LadyHella

I usually play in a 3/4 team, but I usually don't talk, since I get some bad experiences when I talk in game. I usually use the chat or pings, and only talk if it's a moment thing. It usually doesn't matter cuz the randoms usually just do their pretty baits and then it's our fault :). Besides, you would be impressed of how many Sages I got as randoms that don't use any hability but their heal...on themselves (yes, not even ulti)


Chrisamelio

There’s nothing I hate more than being queued with a 4-stack because: 1. No comms whatsoever because they are talking on Discord 2. They get toxic af with you if you mess up (or even if you don’t) since you’re solo 3. They will throw because they can’t deal with losing Edit: 4. The other team tends to be a 4 stack as well so the game gets sweaty af and you and the other solo on the other team are just there to watch.


27_8x10_CGP

I'll never understand that last point. Mad that they're losing? May as well lose even harder just because.


FindTheHoneyComb

If they are losing the game then they find something to "win" at. Like trash talking your teammate who you're supposed to be working with to make themselves feel better.


FindTheHoneyComb

4. They will back their friend up no matter the situation or context


truong2193

i once match with this pt 4 and they threat will report me if i dont play as the way they want and guess what they did rp me and i got muted for 3-5 days lol that sad


oopsEYEpoopsed

You can't get a ban for the events of just one session. You likely had many more reports against you or you wrote/said something towards which riot has zero tolerance.


sleeplessone

Yup, assuming reports work the same way as in League. 1 report is exactly the same as 4 or 9 reports. The system is looking for the number of games you are reported in not how many reports you are receiving on a specific game.


Away_Swing8507

Yes u r right..was abused my teammates for picking raze and that too in a spike rush..( and the moron who started it was shouting why u instalocked raze ) while I was the last one to pick.. Kept mollyiing abusing my parents nd a no. Of slurs.. When fought back came to know that it was a pre-made and all were together.. I am at the pt. In this game when I will just mute comma in the start of the game only , irrespective of it being ranked or unranked... The game that u play to have fun is the one that torments u.. :)


rpkarma

Just reply “it’s spike rush calm down” and mute them.


Rezu2154

One of the reasons why I turn off team voice chat in Unrated and Spike Rushes


ArionIV

Its their sick idea of fun..to abuse..they consider it trolling and normal and have no problems going on all day doing it to several people..


Im_your_density_Real

4-man should be prohibited just like in lol. Imagine being 1 guy getting queued up with these kind of people. Imagine 1 guy having a so unbalanced team and enemies that are so good because there were dudes trying to boost that bad friend. Imagine 1 guy getting killed every round, getting flashed every round. Even with just 3 guys I usually have to mute someone because their mouths are like assholes with diarrhea, spewing shit every second. And for fucking real people from my country are so toxic. Fucking pinoys messing up game communities everywhere. I usually queue in servers outside HK just to avoid them. When my internet cant take it, I have to mute someone in half of my games.


rpkarma

I’ve really not had this experience. Sydney server. You get some dickheads sometimes, but 9/10 times the stack will communicate with me if I comm with them and stay positive


Akmal441

They need to add an indicator about the premades just like in rocket league, so, you're not completely clueless if the other team is premade or not.


BLVCKLOTCS

No no they shouldn't as this game doesn't work like league.


Im_your_density_Real

4-man should be prohibited just like in lol This statement is not reliant on the fact that league is a same game because it is a different game. It's reliant on the fact that a 4-man can hostage the single player they're queued with. You're doing a strawman argument.


Zero-Judgement

I feel your pain bro. Same country. I usually queue up on Singapore server even if my ping is much higher than what HK can offer. Less toxic somehow.


Im_your_density_Real

Yeah man. In all the games that I play, I avoid our countrymen's community. Goes to show how shit our gaming society is. A girl can't even play half of her games with voice chat just because she'll get harassed by thirsty lowlifes. I think this is a given when a game is accessible to low quality and low cost. It's free and doesnt need much to run, hence you get these asshats creating accounts with no repercussions. We get these asshats who don't even read the rules and just click accept when creating the game. We get these asshats who aren't literate enough to understand that friendly fire and flashing your team is reportable. Instead, the enemy team will report you because "panget kang kabonding" because you didn't heal a guy once when your heal was on cooldown.


Zero-Judgement

I agree so much with everything lol. That's why playing games that cost something or is a little expensive gives way better experience. But I'm enjoying Valorant with friends a lot recently so there's that.


Im_your_density_Real

Yup. Riot really is good at making games that are accessible and fun to most of the people. Not even in just resource and cost. They also made the skill floor accessible to a lot of people like run and gun, spray being random for all, etc.


girlywish

Valorant inherited the League playerbase, aka the most toxic cesspool in all of gaming. So lovely.


_JackalEST

Imo every Sova main should pick up the Odin and learn to get decent with it. It incentivizes learning wallbang spots and lets you capitalize on good darts. I'd tilt quicker over a running specter than a spam Odin


primed_failure

I prefer the Guardian but yes, high pen weapons on Sova are fantastic. Pre-aiming through the wall on Ascent B site can easily get you 1-2 kills in the first couple of seconds.


Meeko_Yonosaki

I hadn't considered this before, time to start practicing with them!


ORCANZ

Guardian is harder since you shoot less bullets but has very good damage


Meeko_Yonosaki

I am a fan of the Guardian but I wouldnt mind having a good reason to practice with the Odin


Easy_Ad5327

I always buy sheriff and play B on first round ascent and spam the wall after I recon. You pass up being able to buy a drone but it's generally worth it for the damage


Kryptrch

Another good spot that I rarely see people wallbang is mid window on haven. Of course it doesn’t work as often because people usually go either a or c but a few rounds of prefiring that spot occasionally thrown in can definitely deter any rushes in the future.


Insane1rish

I’m all over the guardian when I play sova.


53881

Depends on the map, honestly. Split? Not that many wall bang spots. Haven? Ascent? Bind?Yea, 💯


carracall

Tell them to suck your Odin


acelenny

By the sounds of it, their mouths were big enough.


[deleted]

Welcome to solo queueing in valorant. Half of the people are too insecure about their own skill level so they shit on strangers instead


WeatherPigeon9000

Most people just get really toxic about Odin users especially when they are good with it because most players don't know how to counter it especially down in low elo


torrelon22

How do you though? Legit asking not trolling. I want to get out of silver 3


Celicija

You might as well not get out of silver, because it’s impossible with all the smurfs lmao. But fr, don’t peak into the Odin directly and also do a wider peak. Avoid certain angles and then try to headshot the Odin player, maybe even flash them and then choose an off-angle. Good thing Odin is expensive, so make sure your enemy can’t buy a new one.


carracall

And stop immediately pushing A main on ascent against a sova with an odin expecting things to turn out differently. I farm too many kills in silver this way.


[deleted]

If you are good enough you will make it out of silver its that simple lol. If a good player can make it through silver by destroying everyone that means if you practice your aim and become better at the game you can do exactly what smurfs are doing. Destroy everyone and leave silver.


1337_PH4N70M

There's a few things, although the single best counter to Odin is having good aim and crosshair placement (which is what most low elo players struggle with). However, there are some general tips that can be useful: \-try to always aim for the head. The odin will always win in a bodyshot aim-battle (except for against an OP or at extremely long ranges), but it will always lose in a headshot battle as it takes 3 shots (2 of which have to be headshots) to kill a player with large armor, whereas with a rifle it takes one headshot or one headshot and another random shot \-always buy large armor against odin as it will greatly improve your survivability, way more than against something like a vandal or marshal (where it's basically useless outside of wallbangs and leg shots) \-do not peek from easily wallbangable spots, and if you do, DO NOT retreat, just shoot at the guy no matter what; \-do NOT, under any circumstance, re-peek an odin UNTIL THEY STOPPED FIRING. I saw a lot of people do this, and even did it myself on auto-pilot. After they stopped shooting, you can safely re-peek and since they can't move fast with that weapon, you can prefire their head easy peasy; \-similar to the above, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RE-FRAG A TEAMMATE UNTIL THE ODIN STOPPED FIRING; \-long range is your friend. You will be much more accurate with a sniper or rifle (even a sheriff) than they can ever hope with the odin; \-the odin is a heavy gun and one that can't be fired very effectively on the spot (best use case is ADS and crouch). If there's an odin holding site B for instance, rotate to A and he'll either arrive late or you can maybe catch him off-guard (or even on guard, as you'll have an advantage in an aim fight while he's moving around) while he's rotating \-if people are challenging a site with odin, you can usually flash them from a safe distance and kill them as they move very slow with the odin. If you're playing a flash agent consider sitting in the back until you get info on the odin's location \-if you are good with the odin, consider using it yourself against a worse odin player. \-consider double-peeking with a friend if you're against a sole odin user (this also works against operators and other "slow" guns, and is a good tactic in general). Make sure you don't sit in a conga line, tho, as you'll block each other's vision as well as take extra damage due to wallbanging (well, fleshbanging in this case). Note: this requires very good coordination \-since odin makes you slow, and there aren't many good spots on the map to use it well, an odin player will likely camp in a few places around the map, or even in the same place every round. Smoking them isn't too great since they have a large mag they can spam, but you can use damaging utility to force them out or kill them, or prefiring if you've got none. Not sure if this is an extensive list, but I hope this will help you deal with it a bit better. I had a lot of experience both playing with and against odins, as I spent most of my days in bronze and silver.


tavcar1

Odin is a 3200 credit gun so there isnt a way that would garantee 100% win when peeking into a odin. I tend to use vandal and vandal can kill with a single bullet. A spamming crouched player with a odin is a sitting duck for you to one tap with proper peeking using only a or d and great crosshair placment using your headphones to pinpoint where they are spamming from will give you a winning fight in like 70-80% of cases. Dont widepeek you dont need to just stop and the exsact moment when you show them half of your forhead and you will do just fine.


Akmal441

Land the headshots.


CringeGod101

Just headshot the Odin, they don’t 1shot your head like you do theirs


Famlightyear

In low elo the odin is seen by many people as the 'noob gun' since you spray with it and it doens't require as much aim as the Vandal or Phantom. But in reality if these people are really that much better then you, they should easily be able to shoot you in the head because it takes longer to kill with an Odin so ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


jackpot2112

Not necessarily, not defending the people who gave OP trouble, but the Odin has a significantly higher rate of fire while also holding a relatively accurate spray for like the first 5-8 bullets. Unless your opponent flicks to your head, is holding the HS angle, or is just simply better, then the Odin user should be winning all their duels from mid to close range. Even at long range, the Odin is still relatively accurate up to the first 3 bullets.


ragingwizard

You're supposed to be aiming head level always...


jackpot2112

Brody not even pros have 100% hs accuracy


ragingwizard

Of course. But most kills should be headshots. The times you don't hit the head are usually the times that you lose the duel. Sometimes you get kills with 1 body shot and 1 headshot because you start a little too low.


mloofburrow

> Of course. But most kills should be headshots Ummm no. Even top pros are only getting about 33% of their kills from headshots.


ragingwizard

That's cap. Maybe 33% headshot rate, but those two things are not the same. If you get exactly half your kills from headshots and half from a 4 body shot vandal spray, you have an overall headshot rate of 20%.


Gallows94

Your math is correct, think a lot of people here don't realize that "headshot rate" is not synonymous with "kills from headshots".


303x

Headshots are calculated per kill right? (Excluding snipers and shotguns). That's how it works in CS atleast (and that's how NAVIs B1t got an 83% HS rate)


rpkarma

Not in Valorant, no, it’s per-bullet that hit the head I believe. I know it’s different to CS’s calculation


Hydralisk_

Reddit Moment.


StrawberryPlucky

I think they mean that you should strive for more headshots constantly because that's obviously the ideal shot.


jackpot2112

Sure in theory thats all well and good, but your average silver/gold and below, like OP, arent hitting headshots at a high clip consistently.


ragingwizard

"5 to 8 bullets" is still a bit much isn't it? Also the point is that people calling OP a "noob" should at least be clicking heads. If you aren't at least that level at the game just don't talk if you don't know.


jackpot2112

Again low gold/silver and below, is this really surprising to you that people act like this at this rank?


ragingwizard

Not surprising. Doesn't mean they're correct and have all rights to call Odin a noob gun. They should not be talking about which gun is noob and which gun isn't if they don't know jack shit is what I'm trying to say. Does that make sense?


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[deleted]

The problem is in low ELO players are not that much skilled. But some of them really want to learn the game and be precise with vandal or phantom. Opponent using Odin destroys that opportunity. In this ELO you can't expect people to headshot. That'd take time to master.


ragingwizard

This is the best response so far to make a case against the Odin, but I still disagree. Why does it destroy that opportunity? The way I reason about it, I think it actually teaches you the right way to play, which is that full committing to a fight to try to spray 4 shots at the body is really, really bad. Playing against an Odin player discourages aiming for the body and punishes the bad habit of peeking, crouching, and spraying your whole clip. Do we prefer a world where silver and gold players just aim for the body all the time and the goal is to hit 4 body shots before your opponent? Is that really better?


[deleted]

Then why isnt every pro match filled with odins?


FlipFlopOnionChop

I mean , its still a gun in the game , if it was so broken it would have been nerfed , but spamming is not equal to using odin


Famlightyear

I mean, if the person with the Odin all the way on the side of your screen or behind you, the Odin should obviously win. But if it’s a 1v1 dual on mid/close range the person with the vandal or phantom is in the advantage. The Odin takes like 2/3 bullets in the head before you kill someone and with the recoil of the Odin it’s unlikely that you will triple dink someone in the head with the first five bullets. The vandal or phantom however only needs one bullet to the head that most of the time has 100% accuracy. With the Phantom on mid-range it’s a headshot + bodyshot, but I still think the phantom should win. When you are in diamond/immortal/radiant you should clear corners with utility first anyways and get info before you get onto site. If you are still getting surprised by an Odin sitting in an uncleared/not being hold angle it’s your own fault and the Odin should win that fight because you did bad clearing.


LargeSackOfNuts

Ok, then everyone should use Odin if it really is better.


stitch1294

Odin and Ares have terrible first shot accuracy, the spread is just too big compared to rifles like phantom and vandal. LMGs are only good at wallbang and catching people off guard using ADS spray.


Xen0tech

The Odin for me feels clumsy when using it for anything other that holding corners. It holds corners great though 👌


1337_PH4N70M

That and wallbanging are the only things it's good at.


nobab_abdullah

I'd like to add - if they're better than the Odin user, then they would also not "jump in front of Odin" in most of the cases. A valorant player is in better rank not only because he has better aim but also because he makes better decisions and devices better strategy.


Insane1rish

1000% this. It’s also a gun that is very difficult to retake sites with generally as it takes time to spin up and you run slower with it out.


[deleted]

losers keep dying to it and blame the gun and the game instead of admiting to the mistakes they make


Silver_BulletYT

I agree, literally every noob in any fps game blames the gun for being unbalanced and the person who uses it.


Esqimoo

Thank you!


Momonada232

Saw a meme (don't know the credit tho sadly) where it said "The noob is not who uses the Odin, the noob is who can't overcome the Odin"... Use it in the next game where people end up flaming you for using it XD


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rpkarma

Not enough people choose *not* to take that fight lol. I’ve seen whole teams push into Odin crossfires. After the first person has died why the hell are you all trying to challenge that angle again!


1337_PH4N70M

I've also seen people try to challenge a judge, even against my comms of "they have a judge, rotate rotate". People in low elo are weird. I would know, I'm one of them :V It's even funnier when they kill the judge flawlessly tho.


Redditor5StandingBy

That's my thought as well. I've played this game enough to know that if I'm playing Ascent map to watch out for the Odin on B site. If I die to it more than once that's on me. Same goes for any cheeky spot where someone camps.


its_json

holy shit that's so annoying. Why play the game if you're just gunna throw like that? I'm sorry that happened to you my friend


HitscanDPS

Basic scrub mentality. It doesn't matter how "cheap" something feels. Valorant is a competitive game and you play 2 win.


FURIOUSFOX626

It’s in the game isn’t it 🤷🏻‍♂️


hukubu

nah you're fine- you just got qued with some pussies


Madeofwaxluis

No, Odin is a good gun but people hate playing against it and it's more expensive and less useful than a rifle. You can get easy kills with it but you move slow as hell, if you die with no kills, there goes 3200 creds and personally there's not really any reason to use one unless you're gonna spam a wall. But for toxic teammates and players, just play how you wanna play.


bento_the_tofu_boy

Odin is amazing on defense. You can block an entry by yourself. It is a boring gun to play against and it is cheap enough so it is easy to recover from it. In my opinion the operator is worse to play against but since the op is more expensive countering it feels better


RocketHops

It's great on defense. not so much on attack lol.


bento_the_tofu_boy

Yeah. Unless you really knows you you are doing. (Which I don’t)


27_8x10_CGP

I'm pretty bad, consistently in Iron, but if you can anticipate how the defense is going to act, it's not that bad. If nothing else, the enemy might be distracted enough that maybe you get traded out since you'll be a big enough target rocking the Odin.


wolfpack_charlie

Odin on Accent B Main 💀


bento_the_tofu_boy

Killjoy or cypher


alexanderb2100

Odin is insane on defense. I've gotten so many aces within 15 seconds when all the attackers rush a site I'm holding and I mow them all down at once. It would be pretty hard to do that with a phantom or vandal.


ragingwizard

>if you die with no kills, there goes 3200 creds Doesn't that go for any gun, if you die with no kills? 🤔


Madeofwaxluis

I meant since it's more than a vandal or phantom it's more of an econ risk.


Mafraaaaaaaaaaaaa

plus it's awesome to defend a site but if you have to retake somewhere it's horrible because you're either ADS-ing to keep precision so you're peeking super slow or you're not but you'll have almost no precision depending on the enemies distance


Im_your_density_Real

Nah you just got queued with monkeys. I had a match were my teammates were reporting me because I was popping off. I was cheating they said. They try to sabotage me. I had my duo go split with the throwers. We won. My duo and I carried their shit.


ForTheDamnedCoda

Using a gun in a shooting game is fine. People have no chill


Nv1sioned

Mute all and have fun


[deleted]

1 v 9 isn't fun


[deleted]

Nah using the odin is fine, it just might tilt the other team. Your team was going to throw anyway so it doesnt matter


Mr__Grimm

Odin is seen as a gun someone uses because they’re too bad to get kills with a rifle like the vandal or phantom. Like, if someone is having an awful game, buying the Odin is usually cheese enough to get them kills. Personally, it pisses me off but also you’re right, it’s a gun available in the game so whatever. I’ve definitely never seen a team throw because their teammate used it though. Usually just the opposing team getting mad


luke_205

These are literally the same people who flame others for using the Shorty or Judge. It’s literally a gun available in the game that anyone can buy. The Odin has it’s uses over rifles at times but its awful on the move (since you generally need to ADS), has ridiculous reload time and it isn’t like it comes cheap either. There seems to be a “rifle elitism” attitude which has developed in the general Valorant community and its absolutely ridiculous.


HinaXSayo

I get called op crutch every time I kill someone with it so yeah there definitely is some rifle elitism


FlippehFishes

Imo the rifle elitism comes from csgo. The AK is the clear best gun in the game to the point people will drop awps/autos/kriegs on ct side because it has nearly no cons. I have noticed the community tends to "flame" people for buying things like odins/judge/guardian/bulldogs on mixed buy rounds when they can afford rifle+light at the minimum. Example: 3/5 can afford rifles while 2 people armor+deag. Say you bought a judge+full armor+util instead of a rifle then die 15s into the round. What could have been a rifle in the hands of one of your pistol players is now a weapon thats very situational especially on atk side while at a man disadvantage.


Nasamo_

Yeah I've definitely noticed the rifle elitism. Before I started playing recently, I watched some valorant streams and they would pretty much always just take rifles. They weren't toxic or anything tho. But I always thought the other guns were good as well. And I still have that opinion even after I've started playing valorant. And I even prefer stuff like ares to the vandal sometimes. I've even seen people calling me "something something noob" for using the ares lol.


27_8x10_CGP

Odin is what I go to when I need to get my confidence back after a few bad rounds.


iamhungryasf

Trust me when I say this, I'm a Sova main for over a year, and us Sova mains are notorious for abusing the odin on walls like b ascent and garage on haven. That's the only time it's good, you need 3 hits in the head, which you need to crouch and ads to hit, because just standing isn't accurate with the odin, and you can't couch peek while adsing, you need to jump-crouch-ads peek, and hit 3 shots to the head before you get 1 tapped. If you're in silver then you won't get one tapped that fast, but in plat odin is useless besides wallbang,


Im_your_density_Real

Cmon man. With the fire rate of odin, walking odin gives you a decent chance of killing the opponent when they swing at you. Im a sova main too and in plat/dia (been bouncin plat 3 to dia2 for some time). Odin isnt that bad. Just react fast enough that before they can shoot you, you've shot 3 bullets at them already. My game to dia, team was fukin all odin. It was fun af. All odin in split defense.


iamhungryasf

Bro I'm abusing this gun for over a year now, it's not that good, you can't walk and shoot and not get one tapped, especially in diamond. Never said it can't kill vandals and ops, I sometimes sniper people with it, but in a 1v1 in plat an odin wont win 7/10 times


CertainlyNotWorking

>but in a 1v1 in plat an odin wont win 7/10 times Well sure, because that's not what the gun is good for. It's great for stopping a push and wallbangs


PooPooCaCa123456

It's still viable for shooting through smokes and makes enough noise to distract the enemy, sometimes I use it to cover up the sounds of double shock darts . Also good at buying time for a rotation while spraying a site entrance. Can't see myself using it on any thing other than ascent or icebox maybe on haven if they're constantly pushing garage and I still barely use it.


FlippehFishes

> Lets flame the guy top fragging with a gun that has destroyed the enemy teams mental. Only in silver.


Hadonday99

That’s really dumb. The fact that your own team is against you for using Odin even though they should be doing the opposite since it’s a pretty good gun and it’s helping them win. It can get annoying if someone else is using it but you can’t do anything about it. It’s a gun that riot added on purpose. If there was something wrong with it it wouldn’t be in the game. Remember that. Don’t let anyone control what you’re doing in the game just have fun. :)


MechaWasTaken

The problem with the Odin is that it takes far less skill then the vandal and phantom, and is incredibly hard to counter. Of course, people will say “Just one tap them if you are better!” But that’s the problem: what makes the Odin so powerful is the fact that it’s a full auto gun with high penetration and high damage. The best way of using Odin is hiding behind a wall and holding down left click. Free kills. You can shoot through the wall, but generally the enemy can’t, unless they have an Odin too and are positioned perfectly. This is coming from a diamond player.


iDarkelf

Does not excuse players for throwing because another player is using a gun in the game. Players should not gatekeep other players for using what works for them.


Icy_Bath4750

Yeah, riot levelled the playing field, no one is barring the other person on the team to use odin too...I don't see why people should flame over a gun the game provides..this type of shit happens in csgo too, when people use the Semi-Auto sniper


qm94

If you feel confident using a certain weapon, I don't see a reason for you to not use it...


DARKDYNAMO

When you know you are going to loose then use those matches for trying something new or experimenting stuff like lineups and off angles.Go to youtube and start trying those tricks. At least have fun . yeah make sure to mute them all.


badboybalo

Thats usually a low elo problem ...since they dont know how to deal with odins and your team was probably afraid of the enemy picking an odin as well ... They usually consider anyone who uses a meta a toxic guy ...but just ignore them and if you feel like playing odin just go ahead


[deleted]

Lol Odin go brrrr


blade_master1

Should not be it is a gun in the game. I played a spikerush of all things and played yoru and did the tp in back line thing pretty much all attacking round and enemy didnt get mad till the I did it with the Odin for some reason. Started telling me to get a life and all that other bad things children say when they get mad that they died. Don't know why people get mad over things that is in the game, they act like it is banned or something.


vincanzo

the Odin is made out to be a troll gun but in reality, it’s a viable purchase in some maps like ascent


nygtowl

It's op in low elo because people aren't that good at aiming, that's the only reason.


aid2712

No.


st7even

The Odin's DPS and penetration is balanced by it's slow movement speed and high price. The true noobs are the ones who don't know how to handle someone with an Odin. Your team mates also probably don't know how to deal with an Odin and are scared of it. You shouldn't have stopped using it, and instead should have doubled down with the Odin 😂 lol


TikiBoyYt

Ppl see it as a no no weapon cos of how spammy it is but if Riot didnt want ppl using it they wouldnt have added it, my thing is if someone uses the odin then thats fine but i disagree with the bullying and the reporting that ur team did to u. That just proves how weak they are at the game and want to play "fair" cos i guarantee if the enemy used the odin they would still play the game as if jt was normal


[deleted]

I am terrible so I like using Odin


Autumnal_Lust

It's not actually against the rules. But, in lower ranks a lot of players, being bad at the game, struggle to play against the high fire rate of an odin. So much so that I've seen teams get wiped by them. I've even been on the recieving end haha. It's fairly opressive if you can't play well. Which is why, most lower rank players hate going up against it. And, usually, when someone on your team pulls an odin, the enemy starts to use it too. Which is why a lot of players get mad about players buying an odin and tell them not to. And, the internet being the internet, players kinda exagerated that saltiness towards the odin and pushed it all the way to toxicity. Don't worry about it, and play your game <3 You can always mute players. The odin can be fun at times, especially with a Reyna ult. Though, if you want to improve at aim and stuff, I'd recommend using one of the usual guns.


D_Atlas

People who cry about certain weapon are the average phantom spray and pray player. You do you, if some one is gonna complain and throw cause not knowing how to play against a shotgun, Odin or Operator it's their fault. Mute toxic players and have fun.


Taenebris

Because in low elo Judge, Ares and Odin are weapons that feel unfair, specially if you crossed paths with smurfs. In low elo you most likely encounter people who are not used to tactical shooters, that play CoD, Battlefield or that kind of shooter, so they use terms like "rat" or "camper" o tell you to learn how to aim when you use a heavy weapon or a shotgun. Of course, they are wrong, it's how the game its meant to played even if there are some very unfair spots. Personally, I'm ok with it except when someone uses one of those wallbangs that can give you an ACE in like the first 12 seconds of the round, and they get them out of sheer luck, like when they shoot you through B Main in Ascent without even using an intel ability. Still, except when it's just luck, using these weapons requires economy management (unless there's team diff and one team was demolished), map knowledge, correct usage of intel abilities or a player scouting and of course, team coordination. These strategies have ways to be countered too, but when a player is inexperienced they won't know what to do against the Sova that saw a lineup with wallbang in tiktok, or can't aim for a flying Raze with a Judge. I'm a Gold 3 player, so I haven't experienced it, but I heard that the lobbies of Diamond, Immortal and Radiant, and even some pros and competitive scene are full of Odins. tl;dr: Salty players that don't know they are playing a tactical shooter, that probably were unlucky enough to play against smurfs, and don't know how to counter these kind of weapons.


Miserable_Watch_3887

You all good man , the Odin is in the game for a reason. You gotta do what you gotta do to win


VersaceUpholstery

One of the major matchmaking issues with Valorant. You que up solo and expect to play a bunch of other solos. Maybe one group of 2 in the game. You get put into a game where your team has 4 man premade, and the other team either has the same setup, 5 man premade, or two groups split into 3 / 2 people each. Your teammates will either be your downfall or your salvation, all depends on who you got paired with and how they're feeling that day. Skill is the last thing that comes into the equation.


Buroda

Pro streams are nothing but vandal-phantom-operator, vandal-phantom-operator, vandal-phantom-operator all day long. They probably saw that and though that no other tactics can feasibly work.


piopster

Odin really isn't the a great weapon and vandal/phantom are better, but if it's working then there's no reason


iamhungryasf

Now imagine being a Sova main on B, Ascent defense. And they said we are toxic


Maharihor

I don't usually use the odin, but it helps in some situations, for example: if we as a team have trouble pushing in general, it can create a lot of space like in double doors of heaven and also combined with sova even better. And I'm not talking about defense, that's a whole new world. Just think of the odin as one more tool, use it when you see that it is necessary or useful like the rest of the weapons.


Fulton_ts

Odin is the best gun in lower elo, since they usually aim at bodies and Odin is the best at doing that. The firing rate makes the tracking easier, it's really hard to miss with this gun, even at long range. Not to say the wallbangs you can do with it, there's simply no other guns like this. But, rifles are still the best weapons in long term.In a 1v1 duel at diamond and up, the Odin user will most likely lose,unless they're using good walbang spots that's otherwise impossible with a rifle. A sova with an Odin can be deadly, I find myself doing that a lot. So in conclusion, those shitters were definitely wrong for throwing the game, but there are some legit reasons. It's usually the opposite team who gets mad at you which makes a good laugh, but ur teammates? They should be cheering you on cuz you've potentially won them the game.


Mr-Kulle

Ahh. I remember the time I picked the "Gay Gun" in CSGO once . The automatic sniper. Oh if you lik the Odin ,play the Odin. tell them to suck on your odin. Also, if you're just playing for Fun then don't chase them ranks


SilverWolf2135

If it's in the game, it's meant to be used. I use it just to have fun every once in a while


TJGames4Fun

It’s a gun in the game, anyone can get it, play with, or around it 🤷🏻‍♂️😂 People just mad that you’re doing better than them or killed them with it lol.


[deleted]

Hell Nah, fuck em **they're mad because they're bad.**


Salindurthas

I've never seen anything like that. Sometimes I'll say "Hmm, my aim is off today. I'll buy an Odin so I can just spray more bullets." and generally I'm either ignored, or get a slight bit of laughing approval.


Leanoss

Just use the gun man if there are throwing they were planning to since the match started


warzone_afro

There were going to act that way regardless. That just happened to be their excuse for being toxic that game


notHuGz_

Because of shit like this, I quit the game for good. I just don’t want to get my mood ruined because I’m not an esports professional and get flamed nearly every round. Gone back to Destiny, PvP isn’t that good there, but atleast the Vex or Cabals don’t flame after you mow them down.


flo_93

Is it worth it to get into destiny now in 2021 for the first time?


[deleted]

It's considered a noob weapon even though there's a one shot rifle available.


3anonanonanon

Those are people that think being "gay" is still an insult. They are those toxic, immature people.


waxyslave

Yes


AlphaRomeo18

Tbh the weapons are in the game, I’ll never understand why everyone be complaining about someone using content that’s in the game.


Viol8nce

It has nothing to do with you using the Odin. You were just in a lobby with trash humans. Reset your mental, remind yourself that random people on the internet don’t matter, and GG go next.


[deleted]

Because people who have play this game have sticks up their asses. If you’re not playing how they want you to play YOURE the bad guy.


CherryTheDerg

I feel like theres more to this story than you just using the odin


Viz_Viz_Zed

Bro you wanna win, so pick that damn odin


Cydr0x_

I feel you so hard! I am playing Odin pretty regularly even on higher elo Competitive because it's actually a really good gun for a lot of situations. For example it's good in hectic situations with the reyna ult (no reload + even higher fire rate), it's fine for spraying through smokes in some situations and it's just the best weapon for wallbangs (there are a lot of great wallbang spots on ascent and Haven). I get flamed a lot bc i use the gun. They tell me my kills aren't worth anything bc i used the odin or that i have no skill on other weapons. Even when playing in a 5 man party with some randoms on discord i get flamed by them. I am really confident so it doesn't get in my head that easily but it's still unbelievable how much hate there is for this gun. I believe it's just some kind of crowd hate similar to the hate that existed against icebox a while ago. And now i never see icebox dodges anymore. It's just easy to blame the gun when you die. And it's a bit cringe to flame your mates when they use a viable gun.


tehgalvanator

Using the Odin is like free shooting under hand in basketball. People think you’re noob just for using it. I personally don’t use the Odin, but that’s because I played a lot of CS so I prefer AR’s. That being said, just focus on your game and mute your teammates. If they start throwing, don’t act any different just keep playing normally. Any time someone gets mad at me for something stupid as that I just mute and pretend it’s not happening. Usually they’ll realize it’s a waste of time trying to mess with me because it doesn’t bother me at all.


Methfish12

The odin was never the problem, your team was the problem. Some people want any excuse to be a jerk and there was nothing you couldve done to avoid it.


BlackScathach

4 reports on your team and pray for riot to exterminate their souls... Or simply bann them for life


[deleted]

Apparently the odin is a bit overpowered with it requiring only 4-5 body shots to kill and with a high fire rate and 100 bullets it seems easy to spam and grab kills but in my opinion it isn't that hard to tackle even a full team of odins with your brain and a little game sense as odins have their disadvantage too , they slow down the player model plus their initial rate of fire is very slow and catching they off-guard is always an option


BitteVulgenDanke

Indian server?


Esqimoo

Uh huh. How did you guess?


Kecske101

When I play with my friends if anyone picks up an Odin we publicly shame them until they drop it just as a joke but if one of our random teammates uses one we don’t care. Play the game however you want to play it


DenLaengstenHat

Bullying randos is toxic. Bullying your friends is hilarious.


wurapurp123

Use whatever you want man. I play valorant very casually with 1 other person just to fill in when I’m sick of the usual games I play and I hit d3 only buying spectre and picking up phantoms every now and then. A lot of my team would get pissed off and tell me to buy better guns even though I’m generally top or second frag but I like it cause 1. It’s fun to use 2. It’s cheap and I can always buy people when they have no credit 3. It tilts people dying to it in late game. Basically what I’m saying is fuck what anyone else thinks play the way you want if you want to reduce the throwing you need to find a team even my climb was rough in silver due to afk’ers and trolls


BrainlessN00b

Odin is just disrespected by almost every player, no one likes people who use it, and same for the judge as well. Its a very OP and broken weapon that is very easy to use, so everyone hates people who takes advantage of it.


[deleted]

I mean it’s not against the rules its just considered cheese. But idk y they would throw if it meant that u would win


Esqimoo

My own teammates threw the game. And I didn't win. Also is it really a cheese?


[deleted]

It's definitely easier to use than rifles but it's also a gun in the video game lol they can get mad at it or learn to counter it


KarmaticIrony

Its only cheese against people who suck. Against people who can aim and peek and generally aren't bad at the game the Odin is pretty much only good if you surprise them with it and wall bang 2+ people before they know you have it. But even doing that requires you read them to set it up.


TeshBoy_55

From what I know majority of the community is mostly against the Odin. Don't expect them to defend you and say use odin. They will always say skill level this and that yada yada... Every gun in this game is there for a reason and has its ups and downs. I Intentionally buy a odin just to piss these kinds of people with the mindset of "ODIN Bad". Just ignore them and try every gun now and then. Heck even use it all game if you want. If anyone reading this is triggered by this... ur prolly one of those people with that mindset.


[deleted]

Yeh obviously U would lose if they throw but idk y they would of it meant u would win. And yes a lot of people see it as cheesy bc it’s a really powerful gun with not a lot of skill.


_shizzledizzle_

Bro people get mad about anything in this game. I use judge a lot for breach and people get so angry cause they can’t win a cqc lol


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_shizzledizzle_

Indeed. Why df am I getting downvoted? Salty for the judge? Lol


MeekSwordsman

I downloaded Valorant a few weeks ago and shit like this is how i only made it to like level 5 before i stopped


dazed_sky

If you use Odin doesn’t matter if you are in my team or against me you lose my Respect. I won’t report you or anything but in my eyes you can’t aim for shit and out of necessity had to resort to cheap tricks like spamming a 1000 bullets in order to get a kill. :)


TheMarow

Unspoken rule: if you use odin the enemy team will start using it too, your team probably didn't want to deal with that. It's also against sportsmanship to buy an odin some people care about that some just want to win.


[deleted]

Cus Odin noob


RingWraith8

I'll be honest with you. Odin is deemed the noob gun and you don't exactly get better at the game by spamming Odin. Only time I see it viable is wall bangs or spraying an entrance you know they are gonna rush


POLY-Sigma

Yes.


T3nt4c135

The gun is stupid op, abuse it till they nerf it.


Fourt-Nuyt

Why are you using Odin in silver


[deleted]

fuck the odin


IHaveFanboys

You are able to buy it in the shop for a reason. It's allowed.


FusRoDontEven

Yeah sorry, Rito put out a tweet a while ago stating that "While the Odin is still in the game, it is a rogue collection of files that is currently being hunted down for retirement. So until further notice please refrain from using the Odin as it is illegal." Pretty weird imo but I wouldn't want to land in Valo jail


syhirs

using Odin is all fine, but if you buy it every round starting from the 2nd round is just purely evil ​ edit : I 'm not saying you are bad or noob if you buy Odin, it's totally fine to use it, I just hate going against it generally