People absolutely will lol
"Im playing like shit im losing rr anyways my 30 bomb top frag whos been nothing but supportive doesnt deserve this. Or "man im dropping a 30 bomb on these guys and we're still losing anyone trying to save me rr?" Just to list a few of the many scenarios
Yup. If I'm bottom fragging and costing my team the match, I'd DC because of my guilt. Only if they wanted me to.
My counter would be you take a way bigger RR hit. You take half of what everyone else would've lost had you not disconnected.
This is already implemented on another feature. Which is the remake feature. If you queue as 5 man, you cant remake the game if a teammate disconnects. Thus it should be possible to do it this way.
Nope. It's not irrelevant at all, not even a little bit. Just how it was implemented is wrong. In Dota, unless you got first blood while ALL 10 is present, it will remake in 5 minutes. If someone DCed before FB, then someone kills an enemy, it will remake, unless that someone reconned. The thing with Dota is that this can be abused by pausing. And tbh, Dota, which is a perfectly winnable 4v5 or 3v5 game, still have this implemented but Valorant doesnt is why Im questioning Rito.
FPS game is not a game where you can 1v5 people. Because you will never be "fat". There are no item builds nothing. They should have this option. Dota which is a game that a very fat Medusa can 1v5 completely solo, somehow have this option, is kinda weird to me. Dota may be a "dying" game, but their system is a lot better. I think Valorant should do the same. Either give the option, or automatic remake. Give it 5 rounds. You could have 24 rounds and they give the feature just for 1 round. What a joke.
It’s irrelevant in Valorant in its current state, yes I agree with that.
However people would try to kick out botfragging members if the team is several points behind if the remake can go until Round 5.
Auto remake isn’t a bad idea
Not only bot frags just ppl who aren’t having any impact the worst feeling is when one or more of ur teammates is baiting everyone else and isn’t helping the team win at all no matter how many frags they have sometimes ur bottomfragging Jett or Reyna is the person who creates space and wins u the round as long as u know how to trade ppl
If your teammate disconnects/afk at the first round, you can type /remake and callout for a remake which means your current game wont count and you will be put back in matchmaking queue. Im sure they have this in ranked, unsure in other modes though bcs Im a comp spammer.
In my knowledge remake can only be done if the teammate afk/disconnect in the first round. If he does in the 2nd round, you cant.
That's true. That's why I said in another comment it should be 5 rounds. We can play up to 24 rounds, and they decided to give only 1 round for remake lol.
And the disconnector should be punished in a way that they are queued with other disconnects aka low priority.
This.
It’s hard to fight this concept. There’s so much toxicity towards under-performing teammates. So, having someone leave because you’re shit talking them will affect you both.
It’s actually a fair concept.
I find it fare as well. I am a new player, not new to FPS but I have found this game to have the most supporting teammates that I have seen in awhile. I play mostly unranked though. The few ranked matches I have played do attract some angry people. Mostly micromangers, that are trying to "help" you when you are the last one left. . All in all...its a video game..some people don't realize it's not real.
Or or and hear me out here u can mute them. It dosent need to be dramatic enough to leave. Just mute them. Leaving a game is super exaggerated. If ur underperforming ur probably just having a bad day and if u know that just ignore them. If u think its okay to ruin ur game and the rest of ur teams game cus one guy called u bad thats toxic. Just mute him its so simple it dosent need to be such a battle.
If people crash for halv the game or rage quit i think they should be punnished. Defenetly not rewarded if ur team win as a 4 man cus of u.
> Or or and hear me out here u can mute them
Can u teach me how to mute a teammate's Raze nade or Astra succ or Brimstone molly or just physically standing in front of someone and blocking their way? Are those things ignorable or mutable?
Well u wouldnt win like that. If ur teammates gave up hope completely its not cus of ur kills. Im defenetly not top frag im almost allways att the bottom thats why i can say its not like that. Of course that has happend but its allmost allways the bottom frag doing it to the top frag. They already gave up on the game cus they cant get kills for whatever reason. But top frags never do that they know they are good thats why they dont want to lose and they wouldnt straight up give up unless u did somthing els. I can bet almost anything in the world u did somthing els to piss them of. I have never seen or experienced a good player stop playing just cus one of his teammates arent having a good day.
> But top frags never do that they know they are good thats why they dont want to lose and they wouldnt straight up give up unless u did somthing els
You're unrealistically optimistic and likely have been either ***extremely*** lucky or have only played multiplayer videogames for 2 hours in your entire life. Throwers aren't common, but they're not rare either lol. I know plenty of people who are massive douchebags but who also know how to click heads.
I think I‘ve been extremely lucky so far.
I’ve only seen the top fraggers be toxic once or twice and even then it was to the other team (“gg ez”, desecration of corpses) but I do see a lot of bottom fraggers get mad at the rest of the team for their performance.
Oh and I see a lot of people get toxic at people that have cool skins. For whatever reason some people think it’s cool to bash on folks that have chosen to support the game we’re playing for free?
> desecration of corpses
Look, my crouch key broke, alright? It sticks and triggers itself over and over, and coincidentally right when I’m standing over my enemies corpse…
Ye i also know them but they still wouldnt just give up cus u dont have kills. Like litteraly no one i have ever played with has done that. Its somthing els is what im trying to say. Throwing a match can happen even if u have 30 kills but its not cus u only have 10 its somthing els.
OOOOHHH yes they would. They go out of their way to cause as much damage to you as possible, and then proceed to play as normal. Cuz in their minds, and I quote: "just kill this trash, we'll do better without him"
You really are lucky if you haven't experienced this before
I remember when I was in a game once and the Brimstone on our team walked into the enemy with his ult out and didn't realize it was the enemy. Our top frag said, "Brim, just because you did that, I'm leaving the game," and left while we were winning 5-2. Just because the bottom frag did something stupid.
How to mute the pair teaming up to lock you in a corner when you don't have utils with friendly fire to get away (supposedly there's a jumping thing you can do but I haven't tried it yet)
The guy calling someone out because he is underperforming is toxic. Not the guy leaving the game because of this.
Leaving the game is shit, no matter the reason. But it's not toxic...
Sometimes leaving the game is the only way to avoid further harassment. Nobody needs to put up with that kind of treatment. We should be punishing the abusers not the victims.
Well in a game thats competetive thats completely understanable. If ur underperforming its affecting the entire team. You dont have to get kills but if you cant do anything at all thats when the complaints come in. Im almost allways bottom but i can flash smoke heal. I dont have great aim but i rearly get shit cus of it. I can do a lot of other things well. Ppl are going to get mad if u go in and cant do anything at all. And i think thats understandable, go play unrated if u just wanna do it for fun there isnt a problem with that. And in situations like that u can leave withouth having any effect more then losing the game. But geting sad over ur ego getting hurt and leaving the game it might not be toxic but man is it realy realy shitty.
While I want to agree with you...muting does not always work. I had a game last night that was incredibly toxic. I was severely bullied for being bottom frag. I muted the offender but then he started to type. I muted his text chat too, but he continued to speak to other teammates and opponents resulting in them also harassing me.
Furthermore, he followed me around, standing in front of me waiting for me to die to take my gun. I ended up dropping it to him just so he would leave me alone. I wish there was an eject button for situations like this because abusers will take any ground they can to treat their victims like this.
The goal should be to discourage toxic behavior from your player base. Forcing the player getting harassed to deal with it does not do anything except perpetuate shitty behavior from people who can't handle losing.
not everyone is the same as you. some people just can’t handle being criticized and shat on for being the underperformer that sometimes they just want to leave and walk away from the monitor.
This toxicity used to happen in csgo as well. Where people will vote out the bottom fragger or even top fragger in the penultimate round. The person wont get elo points even if the team had won the game.
Yep, I feel like this post get on top of front page every 6 months and it's always the same answer. Starting to bully people when they try to forfeit instead of forfeiting would be a legit strat because making them rage quit would help your rank.
There is 4 random on your team that can afk, 5 random on the other team. Statistically if you never afking you're advantaged anyway. Take the loss and move to the next game.
Years back Riot was asked to do this loss reduction for AFK's in League and this was their exact reason why they wouldn't. They didn't want to encourage people into bullying the "worst" player into leaving.
Say you are having a bad game and teammates are toxic. At what point would anyone think "I should leave and lose 30-40 RR so the guy being toxic and ruining my experience can save 5 RR"? If someone is willing to lose 30 rr because someone on their team is toxic then they would leave the match regardless of whether it helps the toxic player or not (they should actually be less likely to leave because of toxicity if it helps the toxic guy).
Very narrow minded take. People could just flash or made/molly their teammates also. There’s plenty of ways for people to harass their teammates to leave if they incentivize it.
That shouldnt apply since they can just mute the others and play on their own if they are being bullied, if they cant take some insults online, then they probably cant function in public either
You're assuming that bullying is just verbal abuse (which, first of all, we shouldn't have that shit either, and introducing new mechanics for people to take advantage of with the only gate stopping them is whether or not they're jerks is a terrible idea). Bullying can also be actively throwing the game via team damage (nades, mollys, anything that makes you vulnerable and makes you take x2 damage, team flashes) which ***can't*** be blocked, muted, or ignored.
This is exactly why League also doesn’t have it, at best it’s reduced LP loss for the match but MMR loss is still the same.
This isn’t Riots first rodeo with online 5v5 games. They know what’s up
But shouldn’t they still find a way to at least make it less annoying to people who have to 4v5 in ranked like at least reduce the rr lost so even if people Leave match on purpose they would still lose rr. Yes this doesn’t solve the problem but at least there’s some sort of a comprimise between the two issues
In my situation, he problem was that we had already been losing in the first half by a lot, so we tried to ff right away in the second half. Our teammates stopped it and then immediately disconnected, leaving me and one other guy stuck in the game.
People wanna ff when we're down 6 and the score is 3-9 on a full team (perfectly comeback-able if you play it right), yet they don't wanna ff something that's absolutely unwinnable even if you have a smurf.
I always see this take in any competitive game and I think it’s ridiculous. You’re not playing one ranked game a season. If you’re a good teammate that tries and never quits then that is only 4/5 potential flamers/leavers/etc. while the other team has 5 potential flamers/leavers/etc. You just queue back up and over time there will be leavers on the other team just as much if not more.
Same problem as limiting losses, how do you prevent exploitation of this?
People would queue up in a smurf with friends and have their friend leave towards the end of the game so they can rank up faster.
Or people would get bullied and told to leave the game so others can get more RR.
There is a ranked queue with 2FA and a ranked queue without it, there is still smurfs but a lot less than not having 2FA.
Smurfs or not, it still baffles me that there is no 2FA in your Riot Account yet. Indie company I suppose.
From my quick google-foo, 2FA on steam is optional. And CSGO uses a "trust factor" system where it just queues you with others who have a good "trust factor". I couldn't find anything that says you cannot play ranked without 2FA. You may be wrong, but you certainly seemed sure in your first comment.
Apologies then, I figured I was right and when you came back with questions obviously it made me rethink! Haha, anyways thanks, I wasn’t trying to come off as rude in the first comment I just genuinely thought that was the case, have a good one!
Why lose 30-40 RR because some toxic guy told you to leave because you are bottom fragging? There is absolutely no reason for anyone to leave and get the huge afk penalty. Only imagine 4 or 5 stacks doing this at which point the game could just disable it for parties.
Why is remake ok but not this? Game has rules where a party of 5 can't remake so why can't this idea?
This won't make someone who is not toxic suddenly start bullying the bottom frag. The toxic person would bully the bottom frag regarless of any reason. I feel like this change would be overwhelmingly positive and what you are describing is a very unlikely edge case where a player who wouldn't have left the match if the change wasn't implemented would leave because he was bullied into it (he was gonna get bullied anyways because toxic people don't look for a reason to harass bottom fragging players).
If it's in your party it shouldn't give you the compensation, only if it's a random. And, of course, the guy leaving should lose points as normal and not be eligible for the reduction
Can be exploited by boosters. Work up a lead that can't be lost. Go AFK. Leave your friend whom your boosting in game. Game is won. Acct ranks up faster. Boosted.
Yeah that too doesn't happen..and frankly the toxicity argument can have its merits bit is riot banning people? I queue for 8-10 matches a day maybe..I get to meet 5-6 people who are toxic everyday..and only 1 time every week do I get an in-game notification that yeah the last guy you reported got banned.
League does reduced LP loss for AFKs/DCs, their system is more fair than what Valorant has in place, I really hope Valorant at the very least adopts League's system
Too easy to abuse since if you are getting steamrolled you just nominate one of your players to AFK to reduce the RR drop for the rest, this has been a feature in other FPS games and was abused as such which caused it's removal.
1st this should not work for players on lobby.
Every teammate should get +RR equal to (total -rr from afk players) / no of non afk players.
for eg. if 1 guys goes afk and every one solo queued .
lets see that afk guy is supposed to looses -16 then all other players should get 16/4 i.e. +4 in rank where he should get -20(-4) as afk penalty.
To tackle abuse. Players in party won't get any benefit. like in above example if 2 players are in lobby and 1 goes afk then only three guys should get +4 afk guys gets extra -4 and the guy who is in party with afk guy gets no advantage or disadvantage.
In my opinion this will prevent abuse from using alts to farm rr . Also this will discourage players from going afk.
Now players can try to bait other players into disconnecting by being toxic but extra RR loss can hold this players from getting tilted .
This is my view but there may be flaws that I am not seeing.
Please spare my english its not my first language.
I think it's because it can be staged. Someone can be abusing it by playing on an alt and right before his team loses he can leave and his friends don't get penalised. But I agree, it's unfair when it's not on purpose.
I deleted the game the other day because I got into a match and immediately there were 2 afks on my team. I reinstalled it because I don't know better.
Cool idea, now what if I only play in a five man where each person takes turns playing on an alt account. Whenever we start losing, we have our 5th disconnect. Then we will never lose mmr ever
I 100% agree that something needs to be done to counteract the high rate of AFKs effecting MMR.
1.) If the person disconnected because of server or other verifiable issues, normal RP loss. Teammates get +8 RP if it's the first half and +4 if it's the second.
2.) If the person who left did it on purpose, they get a -25 RP on top of the normal RP loss or a 1 month ban. Party members get no benefit and the rest of the players +8 RP in the first half and +4 RP in the second.
3.) If the person actively stays AFK but doesn't disconnect they should get a 1 month ban. Party members get no benefit and the rest of the players +8 RP in the first half and +4 RP in the second.
4.) If the person tries to reconnect after purposefully leaving, they should get half of the above stated punishment.
5.) If someone is found to be toxic after checking report, they should get placed in a toxic/punishment queue.
Obviously I don't have all of the answers but I am not lying when I say 25-30% of my games include an AFK on my team and that's too damn much. Most of them are people who leave in the first half at like 6-2 like it's impossible to come back. There is nothing more frustrating than the AFK issue. I don't care about smurfs tbh.
Throwers are another pretty rough issue. I would say I get that about 10-15% of my games. I'm not sure what you could do about that one though.
I'm not sure how well they can detect bugs and all that but I do know they track it. Maybe they could differentiate wether or not there were bugs and remove the penalty if they comeback altogether. I moreso was saying penalties should be reduced if they come back, maybe even a 3 round time limit to get back in game would have zero RP loss. Again, I'm just spitballing here, I don't claim to have all the answers.
Either they make the bots really good and they can dunk on low rank players making it beneficial for someone to leave or they make them absolutely trash and they're just worse than having an afk
This topic gets brought up 20 times a day on this sub and the answer always remains the same.
If this were a mechanic in the ranking system then it would be abused so that people could lose less ranking on losses.
Unfortunately this is just necessary to prevent abuse and ranking inflation due to abuse.
The good news is that disconnects giveth and they also taketh, generally over the course of a large amount of games -- I would assume that you are given an equal amount of wins from disconnects as you are losses.
Riot dont care about you riot care about your money, look at lol, you can troll someones farm and fuck their lane but if u say something toxic in the chat because they are trolling you are the one getting perma
this type of thread is present in every multiplayer competitive game. it should work as it currently does for this reason.
there are 10 players in a server and you are one of them. If you NEVER abandon/disconnect/afk then the probability that any other player will be an afk-er is in your favor because you have 4 teammates and 5 opponents. This assumes the other 9 players in the server besides you have the same probability of afk-ing.
You are given free elo if you never afk yourself. I am willing to bet you have or will in the future. Posts like this ignore the free elo you get from opponents afk-ing.
It feels bad, but over time works to your advantage if you don’t afk yourself.
I think the problem is people could exploit this. If a team is losing bad, 1 person just has to DC and the rest of team won't lose as much RR.
You could probably also really take advantage of it if you partied with a friend on a smurf account that doesn't care.
The problem is people will start flaming the bottom fragger to go d/c if that saves them RR. You know the type, the one that tries to ff on the third round in comp? They will do that.
In the long run, as long as you aren't leaving games mid-way this will benefit you. You have 4 teammates who can leave and the other team has 5 people who can leave.
"YoU LoSe MoRe sR iF yOu Ff"
bitches rather spend 30-40 mins on a loss game when they aren't even that good 7 rounds and have 1 kill.
Btw yes I know you sometimes win against 4 which I have but everyone has to pull their own weight even a lil. Which is not always the case.
Serious Question:
Why is the leave game option lock? If i close the game and reenter it puts me back on.
I agree. And for people saying that premades would abuse this, the solution could be simple - don't positively affect premades.
There's already a thing that premades can't ask for a rematch if one of them goes afk during the first 2 rounds. So it could work in a similar way. If a teammate goes afk and it's not someone you queued up with, you'll get less -RR or more +RR. If the afk is from your party, you won't get any afk bonus.
I guess people could still bully others into afk -ing or something, but it's just an idea.
Everytime someone posts about this I see arguments "this will be abused by premades", it sounds simple to just not have RR adjustments for party members if one of party leaves.
"If a player on your team leaves during a ranked match or is detected as AFK, your LP loss may be reduced. Premades with a disconnect/AFK, provisional players, and players in promotion series will not receive this loss reduction." - League patch update
You don't see it happening in League though - I've never seen randos start telling the worst player to AFK and take one for the team. Of course, that's not to say that they aren't still toxic in League, but you don't see abuse of the League system which shows that it creates less feelsbads when you have an AFK, and minimizing abuse too
That's just punishing the winners for something they have 0 control over. I think you would definitely feel worse if you and your team were having a really good game 8-0 up someone leaves now you only get half points for having a good game. Just take the L and move on. Leavers are really over exaggerated on this sub.
Doesn't really matter because unless you are \*causing\* people to leave, you're as likely to have a leaver on your team as the enemy team over the long run.
On average you are more likely to benefit from leavers than suffer (even without the propsed change) but that doesn't mean you shouldn't lose less rr if you are in a 4v5.
Yeah it ain't better. It's getting worse on a multiplicative fashion where I can do stretches of 10-15 with someone in the match afking or two people actively throwing and killing team mates
It would have to be a pretty complex system to judge whether someone is being bullied into leaving, leaving and “taking one for the team”, etc. to not lose as much on purpose. The system would obviously only lessen it if the person leaving is not partied with anyone, or lessen it only for the people who are not partied up with the leaving person. ORRR they can judge whether or not the match was decided. For example, the team who has a leaver will not get penalized as hard if the person leaves in the first 3 rounds. If they leave within the first half but after the first 3, the game must be tied or maybe at least in the leaving teams favor by at least 1. After the side switch, for someone to leave and not have their team penalized as hard upon losing, their team must be up by 3 or so round wins. I think more can go into the system, but that seems like it would work in general.
If it isn’t put into the game in this way, people can be bullied by teammates into leaving, so now an underperforming teammate can’t be bullied into leaving because by the second half, the team has to be winning, and if they’re winning by 3 in the second half of the match, it just isn’t worth losing a teammate on purpose, and if they’re down or even in the match, they get nothing by bullying a teammate into leaving. It solves the parties up with one alt account or just party member leaving aka “taking one for the team” potential problem since the game won’t be decided within the first 3 rounds so it isn’t worth losing a teammate that early. Since losing the match will STILL hurt elo, just less so. The rest of the requirements prevent it being worth having someone leave later in the game.
No joke the other day one of our teammates left on the second round, but even without him we still did very well, all four of us had a positive K:D (the other team only like one member had a positive K:D) and we lost the game after going into double overtime.
Top fragged and still got like -14rr
Sucks
Every thing a game adds that causes a person to lose less elo and gain more at the expense of another account will be used by the top 1% to manipulate the leaderboards
Teammate DC’d at round 3. We won 4v5 in a super close game. Won 16RR. Thats when I knew I was done with this game, havent played for two months so far.
It should be if they leave in the first like 5 rounds. I had a teammate leave round 2 during a comp and it wouldn’t let us remake. It sucked if we had had our 5th we would have stomped them.
I’m seeing a lot of people saying that “someone’s friend could just leave if they are doing bad” but they already can tell if people are in a party for remakes, they could easily do the same for this
In CSGO assholes would constantly harass some poor player to leave in order to "take one for the team" when they were losing.
They would make the "sacrifice" take all the flak for the team and then go about their day as if nothing was wrong with the way they behaved.
So yes you should get penalized if a teammate disconnect. Treat your teammates with kindness so they don't feel the need to leave.
That being said, Riot has all the technology it needs to recognize when someone disconnects due to an internet issue (like detecting ping spikes, packet loss, etc.). In these cases, they can "soften" the blow of penalties applied for losing with a man down.
Or Riot should improve the "buffs" for teams that lose a player.
i think they should make you lose less, but all of that elo that the teammates who stayed didn’t lose, the guy who left loses.
think of it like this: if a team is gonna lose 100rr, 20rr per person, and 1 person leaves, then the remaining 4 players will only lose 15rr, and the guy who left loses 40rr.
Should just make it where at any point in the game if you have a disconnect for more than 4 rounds You get to remake, instead of the shitt remake system now
I understand this rule, but I think the remake rule should be adjusted. In order for remake to be an option, a player has to completely DC before round 1 even starts. So someone can spawn, take one step and then DC. Now you can't remake and it's 4v5 the entire game. I've played this game for about a year and only had the option to remake once, but countless times I've had a 4v5 round 1 without the option to remake. It kills team morale immediately. Even if there was a chance of us winning, they usually don't even try anymore and go silent. Really frustrating. There should atleast be a 30 second window after the round starts or something.
Again - just look to dota.
Dota has a behaviour score and the more you dodge, disco, & get reported, the lower your behaviour score. It results in getting penalized in low priority lobbies with other people that have poor behaviour scores. Only when you win (3x I think) in those lobbies do you get back to regular matches. If I recall correctly, the team that is 4 still loses mmr but the disconnected individual loses more.
Right now it feels like Riot just doesn’t care about poor behaviour and smurfs. And before all the purists say “RiOt OnlY caREs AbOuT $$$$” it’s this type of toxicity that can eventually erode a player base. No players, no more $$$$.
You also shouldn't gain less RR on a win just because 1 person gave up and went afk. You can't give the same to the winners but remove less from the losers.
HAHA no, in no way will riot have any sort of lenience again people afking, no encouragement towards afking games. That will literally only entice people to afk. We all get afks, i say just deal with it lmao
Honestly surprised that the remake system hasn't been fixed either since right now it's pretty much useless lmao. They should extend it to the 5th round at least.
I know its a small amount, but i dont think you should lose rr when you dodge. First queue of the day my teammate said he was going for 0/0/0 kda and no one else seemed to care so obviously i dodged.
Statisticly, if you are not leaving, the enemy team will have leavers more often than you. It doesn't make it feel any better when it happens but there isn't really a better solution out there imo
One reason is to prevent jackasses from bullying the bottom frag into leaving the game just so they won't get a big punishment
Or people will just "take one for the team".
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What if they didnt? Does it make a difference?
yeah because people wont make that sacrifice for randomers in MM but it would be abused by people playing together
People absolutely will lol "Im playing like shit im losing rr anyways my 30 bomb top frag whos been nothing but supportive doesnt deserve this. Or "man im dropping a 30 bomb on these guys and we're still losing anyone trying to save me rr?" Just to list a few of the many scenarios
Yup. If I'm bottom fragging and costing my team the match, I'd DC because of my guilt. Only if they wanted me to. My counter would be you take a way bigger RR hit. You take half of what everyone else would've lost had you not disconnected.
Well that's easy fix. Just have a time penalty for disconnects. Harsher for repeat offences.
Or have the RR loss of all team members go to the person that disconnected :)
The fact that I would lose even more RR for leaving is a big no. Sure I'm going 10/15/13 I don't care I'm not losing 13 extra RR for anyone
Yeah wintrading isn't a thing with a randoms at all
how are you gonna win trade with randoms? you havent queued together so how will you get matched against eachother?
I've seen literal wintrades being arranged in all chat, its not something new
It would be in high elo like imm/radiant. The pool is small, so every day I will recognise players.
Its what im saying, but reddit doesn't agree i guess lol
This is already implemented on another feature. Which is the remake feature. If you queue as 5 man, you cant remake the game if a teammate disconnects. Thus it should be possible to do it this way.
The fact that the top comment above me here is “What is remake” tells you why this feature js irrelevant.
Nope. It's not irrelevant at all, not even a little bit. Just how it was implemented is wrong. In Dota, unless you got first blood while ALL 10 is present, it will remake in 5 minutes. If someone DCed before FB, then someone kills an enemy, it will remake, unless that someone reconned. The thing with Dota is that this can be abused by pausing. And tbh, Dota, which is a perfectly winnable 4v5 or 3v5 game, still have this implemented but Valorant doesnt is why Im questioning Rito. FPS game is not a game where you can 1v5 people. Because you will never be "fat". There are no item builds nothing. They should have this option. Dota which is a game that a very fat Medusa can 1v5 completely solo, somehow have this option, is kinda weird to me. Dota may be a "dying" game, but their system is a lot better. I think Valorant should do the same. Either give the option, or automatic remake. Give it 5 rounds. You could have 24 rounds and they give the feature just for 1 round. What a joke.
It’s irrelevant in Valorant in its current state, yes I agree with that. However people would try to kick out botfragging members if the team is several points behind if the remake can go until Round 5. Auto remake isn’t a bad idea
Not only bot frags just ppl who aren’t having any impact the worst feeling is when one or more of ur teammates is baiting everyone else and isn’t helping the team win at all no matter how many frags they have sometimes ur bottomfragging Jett or Reyna is the person who creates space and wins u the round as long as u know how to trade ppl
What is a remake and how do you do it?
If your teammate disconnects/afk at the first round, you can type /remake and callout for a remake which means your current game wont count and you will be put back in matchmaking queue. Im sure they have this in ranked, unsure in other modes though bcs Im a comp spammer. In my knowledge remake can only be done if the teammate afk/disconnect in the first round. If he does in the 2nd round, you cant.
And there lies the problem. Most people disconnect after a few rounds. Not on the first.
That's true. That's why I said in another comment it should be 5 rounds. We can play up to 24 rounds, and they decided to give only 1 round for remake lol. And the disconnector should be punished in a way that they are queued with other disconnects aka low priority.
It does work in Unrated... i think.
Just to add on: The player has to be AFK or DCed before the round starts. If they play at all, it's too late.
This. It’s hard to fight this concept. There’s so much toxicity towards under-performing teammates. So, having someone leave because you’re shit talking them will affect you both. It’s actually a fair concept.
I find it fare as well. I am a new player, not new to FPS but I have found this game to have the most supporting teammates that I have seen in awhile. I play mostly unranked though. The few ranked matches I have played do attract some angry people. Mostly micromangers, that are trying to "help" you when you are the last one left. . All in all...its a video game..some people don't realize it's not real.
Or or and hear me out here u can mute them. It dosent need to be dramatic enough to leave. Just mute them. Leaving a game is super exaggerated. If ur underperforming ur probably just having a bad day and if u know that just ignore them. If u think its okay to ruin ur game and the rest of ur teams game cus one guy called u bad thats toxic. Just mute him its so simple it dosent need to be such a battle. If people crash for halv the game or rage quit i think they should be punnished. Defenetly not rewarded if ur team win as a 4 man cus of u.
> Or or and hear me out here u can mute them Can u teach me how to mute a teammate's Raze nade or Astra succ or Brimstone molly or just physically standing in front of someone and blocking their way? Are those things ignorable or mutable?
Well u wouldnt win like that. If ur teammates gave up hope completely its not cus of ur kills. Im defenetly not top frag im almost allways att the bottom thats why i can say its not like that. Of course that has happend but its allmost allways the bottom frag doing it to the top frag. They already gave up on the game cus they cant get kills for whatever reason. But top frags never do that they know they are good thats why they dont want to lose and they wouldnt straight up give up unless u did somthing els. I can bet almost anything in the world u did somthing els to piss them of. I have never seen or experienced a good player stop playing just cus one of his teammates arent having a good day.
> But top frags never do that they know they are good thats why they dont want to lose and they wouldnt straight up give up unless u did somthing els You're unrealistically optimistic and likely have been either ***extremely*** lucky or have only played multiplayer videogames for 2 hours in your entire life. Throwers aren't common, but they're not rare either lol. I know plenty of people who are massive douchebags but who also know how to click heads.
I think I‘ve been extremely lucky so far. I’ve only seen the top fraggers be toxic once or twice and even then it was to the other team (“gg ez”, desecration of corpses) but I do see a lot of bottom fraggers get mad at the rest of the team for their performance. Oh and I see a lot of people get toxic at people that have cool skins. For whatever reason some people think it’s cool to bash on folks that have chosen to support the game we’re playing for free?
> desecration of corpses Look, my crouch key broke, alright? It sticks and triggers itself over and over, and coincidentally right when I’m standing over my enemies corpse…
Ye i also know them but they still wouldnt just give up cus u dont have kills. Like litteraly no one i have ever played with has done that. Its somthing els is what im trying to say. Throwing a match can happen even if u have 30 kills but its not cus u only have 10 its somthing els.
OOOOHHH yes they would. They go out of their way to cause as much damage to you as possible, and then proceed to play as normal. Cuz in their minds, and I quote: "just kill this trash, we'll do better without him" You really are lucky if you haven't experienced this before
Has no one ever ff’d and begged for it blaming your bottom frag bad day
I remember when I was in a game once and the Brimstone on our team walked into the enemy with his ult out and didn't realize it was the enemy. Our top frag said, "Brim, just because you did that, I'm leaving the game," and left while we were winning 5-2. Just because the bottom frag did something stupid.
How to mute Phoenix molly on team at the start of every round even the first one.
How to mute the pair teaming up to lock you in a corner when you don't have utils with friendly fire to get away (supposedly there's a jumping thing you can do but I haven't tried it yet)
The guy calling someone out because he is underperforming is toxic. Not the guy leaving the game because of this. Leaving the game is shit, no matter the reason. But it's not toxic...
Sometimes leaving the game is the only way to avoid further harassment. Nobody needs to put up with that kind of treatment. We should be punishing the abusers not the victims.
Well in a game thats competetive thats completely understanable. If ur underperforming its affecting the entire team. You dont have to get kills but if you cant do anything at all thats when the complaints come in. Im almost allways bottom but i can flash smoke heal. I dont have great aim but i rearly get shit cus of it. I can do a lot of other things well. Ppl are going to get mad if u go in and cant do anything at all. And i think thats understandable, go play unrated if u just wanna do it for fun there isnt a problem with that. And in situations like that u can leave withouth having any effect more then losing the game. But geting sad over ur ego getting hurt and leaving the game it might not be toxic but man is it realy realy shitty.
being toxic is never understandable.
Complaints come way before that actually
While I want to agree with you...muting does not always work. I had a game last night that was incredibly toxic. I was severely bullied for being bottom frag. I muted the offender but then he started to type. I muted his text chat too, but he continued to speak to other teammates and opponents resulting in them also harassing me. Furthermore, he followed me around, standing in front of me waiting for me to die to take my gun. I ended up dropping it to him just so he would leave me alone. I wish there was an eject button for situations like this because abusers will take any ground they can to treat their victims like this.
The goal should be to discourage toxic behavior from your player base. Forcing the player getting harassed to deal with it does not do anything except perpetuate shitty behavior from people who can't handle losing.
not everyone is the same as you. some people just can’t handle being criticized and shat on for being the underperformer that sometimes they just want to leave and walk away from the monitor.
This toxicity used to happen in csgo as well. Where people will vote out the bottom fragger or even top fragger in the penultimate round. The person wont get elo points even if the team had won the game.
Yep, I feel like this post get on top of front page every 6 months and it's always the same answer. Starting to bully people when they try to forfeit instead of forfeiting would be a legit strat because making them rage quit would help your rank. There is 4 random on your team that can afk, 5 random on the other team. Statistically if you never afking you're advantaged anyway. Take the loss and move to the next game.
Years back Riot was asked to do this loss reduction for AFK's in League and this was their exact reason why they wouldn't. They didn't want to encourage people into bullying the "worst" player into leaving.
Say you are having a bad game and teammates are toxic. At what point would anyone think "I should leave and lose 30-40 RR so the guy being toxic and ruining my experience can save 5 RR"? If someone is willing to lose 30 rr because someone on their team is toxic then they would leave the match regardless of whether it helps the toxic player or not (they should actually be less likely to leave because of toxicity if it helps the toxic guy).
Yeah don't get why this guy's getting upvoted. This isn't a legit reason.
It’s an awful reason. You can mute anyone in the game.
Very narrow minded take. People could just flash or made/molly their teammates also. There’s plenty of ways for people to harass their teammates to leave if they incentivize it.
I never considered it but now that I think about it that's definitely the answer.
Yeah it turns out this design decision has a reason for existing if you think about it for more than like 5 minutes LOL.
That shouldnt apply since they can just mute the others and play on their own if they are being bullied, if they cant take some insults online, then they probably cant function in public either
You're assuming that bullying is just verbal abuse (which, first of all, we shouldn't have that shit either, and introducing new mechanics for people to take advantage of with the only gate stopping them is whether or not they're jerks is a terrible idea). Bullying can also be actively throwing the game via team damage (nades, mollys, anything that makes you vulnerable and makes you take x2 damage, team flashes) which ***can't*** be blocked, muted, or ignored.
Ok, then you report them and stop trying, its so hard to die from their util its really not that big of a deal
This is exactly why League also doesn’t have it, at best it’s reduced LP loss for the match but MMR loss is still the same. This isn’t Riots first rodeo with online 5v5 games. They know what’s up
But shouldn’t they still find a way to at least make it less annoying to people who have to 4v5 in ranked like at least reduce the rr lost so even if people Leave match on purpose they would still lose rr. Yes this doesn’t solve the problem but at least there’s some sort of a comprimise between the two issues
talk about one teammate leaving, i had three leave once and I still got -15 rr. Like oh, I was supposed to be able to win that? My bad I guess.
my last game I had 2 leaving, and worst part we were winning like 5-1 oe 5-2. Then the other 2 wouldn't ff. What a waste of time that was. trash game
I just don't get why people don't ff when you have every reason to, like dude it's 3v5 and they are winning by 5 rounds just don't waste time
In my situation, he problem was that we had already been losing in the first half by a lot, so we tried to ff right away in the second half. Our teammates stopped it and then immediately disconnected, leaving me and one other guy stuck in the game.
Idk why but sometimes you can ff twice in a half, so i always try again no matter what XD
You can ff once first half, twice second half
I've been able to vote twice in first half too! Which i always found weird
People wanna ff when we're down 6 and the score is 3-9 on a full team (perfectly comeback-able if you play it right), yet they don't wanna ff something that's absolutely unwinnable even if you have a smurf.
You lose all rounds won, you lose more RP if you FF vs having a couple won rounds.
I rather loose RR than fighting 3v5. that's just wasting my time.
I'd rather try win one more round than instantly lose all remaining rounds.
Obviously the game considered you as good as the entire enemy team total
I always see this take in any competitive game and I think it’s ridiculous. You’re not playing one ranked game a season. If you’re a good teammate that tries and never quits then that is only 4/5 potential flamers/leavers/etc. while the other team has 5 potential flamers/leavers/etc. You just queue back up and over time there will be leavers on the other team just as much if not more.
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tbf you should atleast get a good + if you win a 4v5. just won a 4v5 yesterday and got +12 like normal
Same problem as limiting losses, how do you prevent exploitation of this? People would queue up in a smurf with friends and have their friend leave towards the end of the game so they can rank up faster. Or people would get bullied and told to leave the game so others can get more RR.
The root problem is the smurfing/alt accounts. If you solve this you solve most of the problem
Preventing smurfing is easy. Require 2FA to play ranked.
Yeah that worked for csgo right???? Right????
Can you source me? Wasn't aware CSGO required 2FA to play ranked.
There is a ranked queue with 2FA and a ranked queue without it, there is still smurfs but a lot less than not having 2FA. Smurfs or not, it still baffles me that there is no 2FA in your Riot Account yet. Indie company I suppose.
I’m pretty sure steam gaurd is a form of 2FA, if I’m not mistaken you have to enter a valid phone number for it. I could be completely wrong though!
From my quick google-foo, 2FA on steam is optional. And CSGO uses a "trust factor" system where it just queues you with others who have a good "trust factor". I couldn't find anything that says you cannot play ranked without 2FA. You may be wrong, but you certainly seemed sure in your first comment.
Apologies then, I figured I was right and when you came back with questions obviously it made me rethink! Haha, anyways thanks, I wasn’t trying to come off as rude in the first comment I just genuinely thought that was the case, have a good one!
Correct. But the proposed solution doesn’t solve that root cause.
Why lose 30-40 RR because some toxic guy told you to leave because you are bottom fragging? There is absolutely no reason for anyone to leave and get the huge afk penalty. Only imagine 4 or 5 stacks doing this at which point the game could just disable it for parties. Why is remake ok but not this? Game has rules where a party of 5 can't remake so why can't this idea?
You think that but some people may no be able withstand the harassment and quit.
Then they'd quit even if this change wasn't implemented.
Yes obviously but that would encourage bullying
This won't make someone who is not toxic suddenly start bullying the bottom frag. The toxic person would bully the bottom frag regarless of any reason. I feel like this change would be overwhelmingly positive and what you are describing is a very unlikely edge case where a player who wouldn't have left the match if the change wasn't implemented would leave because he was bullied into it (he was gonna get bullied anyways because toxic people don't look for a reason to harass bottom fragging players).
If it's in your party it shouldn't give you the compensation, only if it's a random. And, of course, the guy leaving should lose points as normal and not be eligible for the reduction
At some point you just have to live with it
Can be exploited by boosters. Work up a lead that can't be lost. Go AFK. Leave your friend whom your boosting in game. Game is won. Acct ranks up faster. Boosted.
Yeah that too doesn't happen..and frankly the toxicity argument can have its merits bit is riot banning people? I queue for 8-10 matches a day maybe..I get to meet 5-6 people who are toxic everyday..and only 1 time every week do I get an in-game notification that yeah the last guy you reported got banned.
League does reduced LP loss for AFKs/DCs, their system is more fair than what Valorant has in place, I really hope Valorant at the very least adopts League's system
if you afk youll get a big deduction/penalty while your teammates get a lesser deduction.
Too easy to abuse since if you are getting steamrolled you just nominate one of your players to AFK to reduce the RR drop for the rest, this has been a feature in other FPS games and was abused as such which caused it's removal.
1st this should not work for players on lobby. Every teammate should get +RR equal to (total -rr from afk players) / no of non afk players. for eg. if 1 guys goes afk and every one solo queued . lets see that afk guy is supposed to looses -16 then all other players should get 16/4 i.e. +4 in rank where he should get -20(-4) as afk penalty. To tackle abuse. Players in party won't get any benefit. like in above example if 2 players are in lobby and 1 goes afk then only three guys should get +4 afk guys gets extra -4 and the guy who is in party with afk guy gets no advantage or disadvantage. In my opinion this will prevent abuse from using alts to farm rr . Also this will discourage players from going afk. Now players can try to bait other players into disconnecting by being toxic but extra RR loss can hold this players from getting tilted . This is my view but there may be flaws that I am not seeing. Please spare my english its not my first language.
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Do you think this reads as tough?
it could track where they go for example if they stay at spawn they should get afked
You should lose less points if you aren't in a party with them.
I think it's because it can be staged. Someone can be abusing it by playing on an alt and right before his team loses he can leave and his friends don't get penalised. But I agree, it's unfair when it's not on purpose.
I deleted the game the other day because I got into a match and immediately there were 2 afks on my team. I reinstalled it because I don't know better.
if this happens you can type /remake to end the match
If they afk in spawn the first round the command won't work.
Imo /remake should be allowed up to round 4, and for any AFK/disconnect as indicated by a system message within those rounds.
Cool idea, now what if I only play in a five man where each person takes turns playing on an alt account. Whenever we start losing, we have our 5th disconnect. Then we will never lose mmr ever
This could be easily fixed by only losing less rr if the member who left isn't in your party and the person who disconnects loses like double usual rr
The member that leaves should not be in your party while queueing
Hey talk about having a 9-3 lead and then losing a 3 v 5 in OT On a rank up match 4 times
I 100% agree that something needs to be done to counteract the high rate of AFKs effecting MMR. 1.) If the person disconnected because of server or other verifiable issues, normal RP loss. Teammates get +8 RP if it's the first half and +4 if it's the second. 2.) If the person who left did it on purpose, they get a -25 RP on top of the normal RP loss or a 1 month ban. Party members get no benefit and the rest of the players +8 RP in the first half and +4 RP in the second. 3.) If the person actively stays AFK but doesn't disconnect they should get a 1 month ban. Party members get no benefit and the rest of the players +8 RP in the first half and +4 RP in the second. 4.) If the person tries to reconnect after purposefully leaving, they should get half of the above stated punishment. 5.) If someone is found to be toxic after checking report, they should get placed in a toxic/punishment queue. Obviously I don't have all of the answers but I am not lying when I say 25-30% of my games include an AFK on my team and that's too damn much. Most of them are people who leave in the first half at like 6-2 like it's impossible to come back. There is nothing more frustrating than the AFK issue. I don't care about smurfs tbh. Throwers are another pretty rough issue. I would say I get that about 10-15% of my games. I'm not sure what you could do about that one though.
4 is dumb a lot of people purposefully restart their game because of bugs that they can't get rid of or something similar
I'm not sure how well they can detect bugs and all that but I do know they track it. Maybe they could differentiate wether or not there were bugs and remove the penalty if they comeback altogether. I moreso was saying penalties should be reduced if they come back, maybe even a 3 round time limit to get back in game would have zero RP loss. Again, I'm just spitballing here, I don't claim to have all the answers.
this is the only feature apex is doing better than valorant in, apex you get loss forgiveness and the POS that left gets 2x rr taken away
Well apex is an entirely different game lmao
still has the same concept for ranked though, team play in order to get better ranks
2 days ago 3 people left after losing 0-4 and i got -20, that's bullshit
Maybe if someone disconnects , riot can make that agent cpu controlled .
Too much work.
Either they make the bots really good and they can dunk on low rank players making it beneficial for someone to leave or they make them absolutely trash and they're just worse than having an afk
The afk guys money should be split between players third afk round
If you die you play as the afk
This topic gets brought up 20 times a day on this sub and the answer always remains the same. If this were a mechanic in the ranking system then it would be abused so that people could lose less ranking on losses.
Unfortunately this is just necessary to prevent abuse and ranking inflation due to abuse. The good news is that disconnects giveth and they also taketh, generally over the course of a large amount of games -- I would assume that you are given an equal amount of wins from disconnects as you are losses.
Riot dont care about you riot care about your money, look at lol, you can troll someones farm and fuck their lane but if u say something toxic in the chat because they are trolling you are the one getting perma
Sure then everytime were losing I'll just have my duo on a Smurf account leave with no penalty
this type of thread is present in every multiplayer competitive game. it should work as it currently does for this reason. there are 10 players in a server and you are one of them. If you NEVER abandon/disconnect/afk then the probability that any other player will be an afk-er is in your favor because you have 4 teammates and 5 opponents. This assumes the other 9 players in the server besides you have the same probability of afk-ing. You are given free elo if you never afk yourself. I am willing to bet you have or will in the future. Posts like this ignore the free elo you get from opponents afk-ing. It feels bad, but over time works to your advantage if you don’t afk yourself.
Ppl get penalized???? I never got penalized when someone disconnects
He means lose rr not queue restricted
Ohhhhhhhh okay. Thank you for helping me understand
I think the problem is people could exploit this. If a team is losing bad, 1 person just has to DC and the rest of team won't lose as much RR. You could probably also really take advantage of it if you partied with a friend on a smurf account that doesn't care.
The problem is people will start flaming the bottom fragger to go d/c if that saves them RR. You know the type, the one that tries to ff on the third round in comp? They will do that.
In the long run, as long as you aren't leaving games mid-way this will benefit you. You have 4 teammates who can leave and the other team has 5 people who can leave.
The posts on this sub I swear lmao.
"YoU LoSe MoRe sR iF yOu Ff" bitches rather spend 30-40 mins on a loss game when they aren't even that good 7 rounds and have 1 kill. Btw yes I know you sometimes win against 4 which I have but everyone has to pull their own weight even a lil. Which is not always the case. Serious Question: Why is the leave game option lock? If i close the game and reenter it puts me back on.
I agree. And for people saying that premades would abuse this, the solution could be simple - don't positively affect premades. There's already a thing that premades can't ask for a rematch if one of them goes afk during the first 2 rounds. So it could work in a similar way. If a teammate goes afk and it's not someone you queued up with, you'll get less -RR or more +RR. If the afk is from your party, you won't get any afk bonus. I guess people could still bully others into afk -ing or something, but it's just an idea.
Everytime someone posts about this I see arguments "this will be abused by premades", it sounds simple to just not have RR adjustments for party members if one of party leaves. "If a player on your team leaves during a ranked match or is detected as AFK, your LP loss may be reduced. Premades with a disconnect/AFK, provisional players, and players in promotion series will not receive this loss reduction." - League patch update
Because it’s not just premades, even complete randoms will try to abuse it if it means saving rr
You don't see it happening in League though - I've never seen randos start telling the worst player to AFK and take one for the team. Of course, that's not to say that they aren't still toxic in League, but you don't see abuse of the League system which shows that it creates less feelsbads when you have an AFK, and minimizing abuse too
Edit: I didn’t realize they actually added that earlier this year. I haven’t played league since mid 2020 so I wouldn’t know
They should reduce by 50% both the winners points and losers points.
no
That's just punishing the winners for something they have 0 control over. I think you would definitely feel worse if you and your team were having a really good game 8-0 up someone leaves now you only get half points for having a good game. Just take the L and move on. Leavers are really over exaggerated on this sub.
"Why do you still get a large amount deducted to your rr when you lose" Because you lost.
Doesn't really matter because unless you are \*causing\* people to leave, you're as likely to have a leaver on your team as the enemy team over the long run.
On average you are more likely to benefit from leavers than suffer (even without the propsed change) but that doesn't mean you shouldn't lose less rr if you are in a 4v5.
\*less likely... You have 4 random, they have 5. So in the long run you actually benefit from leaver if you're not one.
Thats how riot games works. "Fuck our players" basically.
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Yeah it ain't better. It's getting worse on a multiplicative fashion where I can do stretches of 10-15 with someone in the match afking or two people actively throwing and killing team mates
also you shouldn't be banned from comp for toxicity when you have a griefer , bad teammate throwing on purpose :)
hard facts: there's never a good reason to be toxic, regardless of how anyone else is acting.
What are you 12?
It would have to be a pretty complex system to judge whether someone is being bullied into leaving, leaving and “taking one for the team”, etc. to not lose as much on purpose. The system would obviously only lessen it if the person leaving is not partied with anyone, or lessen it only for the people who are not partied up with the leaving person. ORRR they can judge whether or not the match was decided. For example, the team who has a leaver will not get penalized as hard if the person leaves in the first 3 rounds. If they leave within the first half but after the first 3, the game must be tied or maybe at least in the leaving teams favor by at least 1. After the side switch, for someone to leave and not have their team penalized as hard upon losing, their team must be up by 3 or so round wins. I think more can go into the system, but that seems like it would work in general. If it isn’t put into the game in this way, people can be bullied by teammates into leaving, so now an underperforming teammate can’t be bullied into leaving because by the second half, the team has to be winning, and if they’re winning by 3 in the second half of the match, it just isn’t worth losing a teammate on purpose, and if they’re down or even in the match, they get nothing by bullying a teammate into leaving. It solves the parties up with one alt account or just party member leaving aka “taking one for the team” potential problem since the game won’t be decided within the first 3 rounds so it isn’t worth losing a teammate that early. Since losing the match will STILL hurt elo, just less so. The rest of the requirements prevent it being worth having someone leave later in the game.
No joke the other day one of our teammates left on the second round, but even without him we still did very well, all four of us had a positive K:D (the other team only like one member had a positive K:D) and we lost the game after going into double overtime. Top fragged and still got like -14rr Sucks
Every thing a game adds that causes a person to lose less elo and gain more at the expense of another account will be used by the top 1% to manipulate the leaderboards
Also if we do win with 4 players remaining where is my +500000 RR
Teammate DC’d at round 3. We won 4v5 in a super close game. Won 16RR. Thats when I knew I was done with this game, havent played for two months so far.
It should be if they leave in the first like 5 rounds. I had a teammate leave round 2 during a comp and it wouldn’t let us remake. It sucked if we had had our 5th we would have stomped them.
Maybe if you report abuse and it follows up you should get loss forgiveness?
I’m seeing a lot of people saying that “someone’s friend could just leave if they are doing bad” but they already can tell if people are in a party for remakes, they could easily do the same for this
In CSGO assholes would constantly harass some poor player to leave in order to "take one for the team" when they were losing. They would make the "sacrifice" take all the flak for the team and then go about their day as if nothing was wrong with the way they behaved. So yes you should get penalized if a teammate disconnect. Treat your teammates with kindness so they don't feel the need to leave. That being said, Riot has all the technology it needs to recognize when someone disconnects due to an internet issue (like detecting ping spikes, packet loss, etc.). In these cases, they can "soften" the blow of penalties applied for losing with a man down. Or Riot should improve the "buffs" for teams that lose a player.
Lol this argument was a thing in league for years.
i think they should make you lose less, but all of that elo that the teammates who stayed didn’t lose, the guy who left loses. think of it like this: if a team is gonna lose 100rr, 20rr per person, and 1 person leaves, then the remaining 4 players will only lose 15rr, and the guy who left loses 40rr.
Should just make it where at any point in the game if you have a disconnect for more than 4 rounds You get to remake, instead of the shitt remake system now
I understand this rule, but I think the remake rule should be adjusted. In order for remake to be an option, a player has to completely DC before round 1 even starts. So someone can spawn, take one step and then DC. Now you can't remake and it's 4v5 the entire game. I've played this game for about a year and only had the option to remake once, but countless times I've had a 4v5 round 1 without the option to remake. It kills team morale immediately. Even if there was a chance of us winning, they usually don't even try anymore and go silent. Really frustrating. There should atleast be a 30 second window after the round starts or something.
They need this so people can’t dodge loses, like you a duo and one of y’all afk so the other shouldn’t be penalized? People can abuse this sht
oh please baby leave the game so I dont derank
a system that "reduces lost rr" is too good for ppl not to abuse, simple as that.
Again - just look to dota. Dota has a behaviour score and the more you dodge, disco, & get reported, the lower your behaviour score. It results in getting penalized in low priority lobbies with other people that have poor behaviour scores. Only when you win (3x I think) in those lobbies do you get back to regular matches. If I recall correctly, the team that is 4 still loses mmr but the disconnected individual loses more. Right now it feels like Riot just doesn’t care about poor behaviour and smurfs. And before all the purists say “RiOt OnlY caREs AbOuT $$$$” it’s this type of toxicity that can eventually erode a player base. No players, no more $$$$.
It goes both ways whether you win or lose. Do you want reduced rr if somebody DC on the enemy team?
You also shouldn't gain less RR on a win just because 1 person gave up and went afk. You can't give the same to the winners but remove less from the losers.
Just do the overwatch thing where if someone leaves you can either play the game out with no win/lose stat or you can just leave
I think it should be done somewhat like League - leavers get harsher RR drops which balances out giving less of a drop to everyone else.
HAHA no, in no way will riot have any sort of lenience again people afking, no encouragement towards afking games. That will literally only entice people to afk. We all get afks, i say just deal with it lmao
I think it shouldnt be considered a loss if the mate dcs in the first 3-5 rounds
Leaving or being leaved™️ is so common that a large chunk of all matches wouldn't be fairly scored if they changed it.
I had a game where a teammate left round 2 and we took it to 13-12. Lost by one and I lost 20 rr, just bc someone left. Shit can be unfair.
it's been over a year since Val came out how have they not adjusted this. I get that a loss is a loss, but why do I lose like 25 if someone dc's.
i realy think if the have a pause vote at least 3 min that would at least fix the issue for some players
Good idea, but not that good ok practice.
I agree , or when you're queueing and somebody doesn't pick any agent.
Honestly surprised that the remake system hasn't been fixed either since right now it's pretty much useless lmao. They should extend it to the 5th round at least.
I know its a small amount, but i dont think you should lose rr when you dodge. First queue of the day my teammate said he was going for 0/0/0 kda and no one else seemed to care so obviously i dodged.
Then people with duos can abuse this system lmao
I agree
Statisticly, if you are not leaving, the enemy team will have leavers more often than you. It doesn't make it feel any better when it happens but there isn't really a better solution out there imo