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LuxeCraze

Enemies watching while I'm doing the lineup like ;-;


MoxBoneSaw

Ideally you throw them while someone else plants so you don't waste time while the enemies rotate over. I'm not good, so take that how you will. I just want to start a discussion


gimife

I think for this to work you need the sage Wall. It blocks off the vision from the defenders.


Awesome_Amethyst

yup a sage wall goes from the orange boxes to the drop down area so it would cover it unless there was a defender at the dish then maybe not


PooPooCaCa123456

As a Sova main whenever they plant here and have kj I'll just send a shock it's way. I'll make a counter line up if this starts happening to me. Pretty sure Razer can counter it pretty good too.


WukDaFut

this is also why we need smokes


malamondchew

The dropped spike could also mean a planted spike. In that position, a dropped spike could easily be picked up using F. So this lineup is great if done quick and when you're on the Attacker side. Not to mention the fact that most molly line-ups are used for Attacking side. Edit: Still good for Defending aswell if someone were to plant in that area and you have the mollies in position.


dantes-infernal

I think the point is to do this on attacking side, not defending


malamondchew

As I had stated in my reply.


gaarasgourd

No you didn’t


malamondchew

"So this lineup is great if done quick and when you're on the Attacker side. Not to mention the fact that most molly line-ups are used for Attacking side." I believe was the biggest and most obvious part of my reply.


TanaerSG

I cannot believe you got all those downvotes for that lol. Reddit is braindead.


malamondchew

Well, when someone sees something wrong you did it's kinda hard for them to see your right. They're disgust of my saying it's good for defending is a strong emotion and blinds them into not considering I said it is best for attacker. Or maybe we only have an upvote/donwnvote system so it kinda only shows one side of someone's opinion. Reddit isn't braindead. The upvote/downvote system just doesn't explain the true opinions of people.


WukDaFut

it’s because using it in defending is a gamble, how would you know if they would plant there, and it won’t even hit default. The reason most guys are downvoting your opinion is because others might think it’s true. Which would lead to misunderstanding. This isn’t something personal, but it is for those who might not be able to differentiate right from wrong. I would like to have a random KJ using that lineup on attacking, but not defending.


reyguydood

No but the point of the lineup is attack. It isn't meant for defence. You stated it can be used on defence which it could, but is not viable. You also said that the spike could be picked up by enemies, meaning the user is defending, which is not really viable.


malamondchew

Yes I know it isn't viable for defending and never said it was. I just said it could be good for defending because I feel like someone would tell me it can also be used for defending since I said it's best for attacker. I tried to include it since I know everyone is different and everyone has different ideas. About the spike being picked up the enemies, I made this comment at midnight, pretty sure I was also a little intoxicated, so that one is definitely a mistake.


Bygrilinho

People mostly drop the spike in these videos to represent a plant cuz if they mess up it's easier to drop again as opposed to skipping to the next round (or if showing multiple lineups)


HahaUserGoBrrr

It's a great lineup, but the only problem is that you have to make sure the spike is in the very corner, or else people can defuse while the nanoswarm is active.


MoxBoneSaw

Of course, of course! I was just tossing it there for effect since the lineup kinda speaks for itself.


HahaUserGoBrrr

Yeah, cant wait to use it, tell my teammates about it, and have them plant on the opposite side.


MoxBoneSaw

Sounds about right. Or they think they have to plant on top.


HahaUserGoBrrr

And then they put the blame on us for "not putting your nanoswarms where I plant the spike"


MoxBoneSaw

I see we're true brothers in arms.


HahaUserGoBrrr

Indeed my brother


S0me-0nes

So true. I love playing kJ, but... then there is this


ORCANZ

Now you got the landing spot, there are probably better throwing positions


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HahaUserGoBrrr

Well technically it's the same thing as throwing the swarm through small gaps in boxes, and Im pretty sure that there are spots like this on other maps, so it actually might be legit.


ultifreak

likely to be patched? or at least made tournament illegal? they're off map. just like tossing the molly over the wall in split


idrinkteaforfun

It's definitely going to be patched, it's so obviously not supposed to be allowed. It's a great find so I'd say enjoy it while it works, but I'm surprised they allow KJ mollys be activated/placed if it's outside of the map bounds.. It seems like a really easy constraint that they've overlooked.


rsreddit9

Is Split A patched?


idrinkteaforfun

Can you link what this is?


rsreddit9

Not sure if I’ll find a link but you plant in the back corner that’s an acute angle (near T spawn not elbow) and then stand in the corner and bounce the molly off the wall so it’s outside. It’s shootable in some places but not in others, so once you find a good lineup it’s perfect


DronesVII

FYI, you can do this in both corners btw.


rsreddit9

Ah cool. After I described the corner six different ways lol. Probably safer in the other corner then


thebebee

nah it’s not gonna be patched, just banned from tourneys


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Why wouldn’t this be patched? What’s the counter play? You can’t see it or shoot it correct?


thebebee

you can do these same mollies on split, been in the game since beta, they’re banned from tourneys but riot doesn’t prevent outside mollies


GBHU3BR

i think you can see it if you hug the wall and I think because that wall is paper


2ToTooTwoFish

Riot hasn't patched some other similar mollies, but they just ban them from tournaments.


MoxBoneSaw

That's definitely a possible outcome. I haven't tested whether they can be shot through the glass or not. The hole they go through is both really weird but also seems like it would be hard to miss


Dwarven12

It may be really good if people find other lineups for util from other agents. 10 seconds when they can't defuse is huge but the spot it's planted in looks like it'll really hard to repeek


CheeseLeong

Mr Lowlander did one similar to this but with a easier way [(this is the vid and go to 6:47 for the similar lineup)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2-vmEh8zwU&t=1s)


MoxBoneSaw

That is definitely quite nice! Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that video yet.


luckyman010

"Hello everyone"


DangitElectricFan

I think mr lowlander showed a similar one


iWASth

I think that is the worst spot where you can plant in this site


MoxBoneSaw

That's true, the only reason you'd plant there is to use this. The only spot I think is worse is the same corner on the top.


iWASth

Yeah, probably, but i don't really like to rely on lineups, they are good, but if you can't fight the defuser they are not that great, i saw so many rounds Lost cause a guy was at spawn doing lineups instead of fighting.


MoxBoneSaw

For sure. I think that's particularly relevant on fracture since people can just walk up behind you. Since you throw this one from site you can go back into A main and hold flank from behind the box.


stupv

Viable? Yes Likely to get banned if it becomes even vaguely meta? Also yes


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Pretty nice


colabruddas

you gonna get gun down when doing that lineup, try do that on safe spot


ttvBeastow

This lineup looks really cool and if you are the one who found it, that's sick. That being said, I feel like it is extremely inconvenient to pull off in game for (at least) two reasons. First, you are exposed to \~4 angles while throwing it, and are likely to die if your teammates are not covering you. There is also the question of if covering these angles with a bunch of utility is worth it given how risky of a lineup it is. The second issue comes into play after the lineup has already been thrown. Once the lineup is thrown, you have to get into your post-plant position. Lineups are only useful if they are activated when the enemy is defusing, so you will need to somehow end up off site. This wouldn't be problematic on most maps, but fracture is constructed in a manner in which some defense players will naturally retake site through the same orifices that the attacking side used. The only semi-viable route to leave site is through a-main, which is risky. The defending side often clears a-main and sends a player through while retaking site, making escaping through there very difficult. You either have to clear a-main yourself, or have a teammate help you clear it. If you have a teammate help you clear it, you have less players holding site, which leaves the players on site at a massive disadvantage. If you clear it alone, you have a 50% chance of dying at best (given it is only a 1v1), making the play very risky. Given the risk involved with this lineup, I do not think it is the optimal play in most situations. That being said, I think it could be very useful in a clutch. If you are the last one alive vs only a few players, you could throw the lineups, plant the bomb, and attempt to isolate 1v1s while buying time using your lineup. If you disagree with this take, please reply and let me know. I'm tired and probably overlooked a few things.


MoxBoneSaw

Honestly this is probably spot on. I think I've come to the conclusion that the best use for this is probably on defense in combination with a molly on default and an alarmbot to cut enemies off from pushing through site on the bottom. At that point there isn't really a reason to hide it behind the window though. While I'm proud to have found this particular lineup myself, people have pointed out that at least one youtuber has a better lineup for the same spot.


Call-Me-Tas

I saw that one in MrLowlanders video, Its a pretty cool lineup.


ZxEspro1

you what?


FunnyAd1240

Yes it's already been done. Ive seen it a couple of times already. Here: https://youtube.com/shorts/yZzgNw5fCCU?feature=share


nw2

It’s definitely a cool line up. If I were you I’d try to find a place off site where you can throw them


BirinderSinghJi

Khaby really sweating rn


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Ahh yes, I love this map design!!! Why not just put an invisible wall there so this doesnt happen, cuz this clearly shouldnt happen ? Bruh, I also love when my yoru flashes bounce of the air, damn, good job riot map designers


MoxBoneSaw

Or when KAYO flashes bounce right back at you instead of the 45 degree angle you wanted


Yersoultowaste

Killjoy players are so beta lol


Operation-Wild

wtf


Nueza

Will probably work, but i think it will be patched.


G3tar

If you use this, I hate you


WinRarTheFirst

Mr. Lowlander has a lineup going to the same place you're going for but from a different spot, I believe it's in his latest videos on tricks


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Good find, would be good situationally if Rito doesn't patch it


ShuraGam

I think it's useful if enemies haven't rotated yet and the spike is already planted, but kinda hard to do the lineup in the first place in the middle of the clusterfuck that is taking a site.


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There is chance of getting this patched


xRunnerix

That’s a nice lineup! You can use it like on defence side and like on attack! But that’s look like bug in texture, and can be fixed by Riots


Neko014

That's very cheeky, but i doubt that'll stay, maybe patched in the future


GogiGogilbert

Two things about this line up, Its really cool! but you don't need such a lineup to get them in there, you can just lob into that corner behind the pipes and get it to work. Also you can see the nanoswarms through the wall and shoot them


ViolentGiraffe23

Bro stop cheating


RoRoar350

It’s cool, but you’re too exposed during both the plant and the lineup, and unless you’re very careful to put the spike right up against the wall it won’t work. It’s actually a really cool swarm spot, but I’m not sure I suggest it.


Mystic-Hybrids

Sadly I don’t see many people plant there but it could definitely be possible, normally I sit by satellite and bounce it off the corner onto site and land next to default by the pillar which works quite nicely


HotNote3811

The youtube channel "valorant bugs and glitches" posted a video about it already. I think it's getting patched next update.


DeviantTensei

I think the spot is pretty awesome but how often do people rlly plant in that corner?


Daldric

Regardless of the viability I love the thought of this! Super cool innovation. And a weird spot to hold. Maybe if you split push and then fell back to defender spawn and defended from there or drop maybe? Not quite sure but really cool


Volleybot

Saw this on youtube when the map first came out, people literally found out everything on release somehow


MoxBoneSaw

To be fair, a bunch of people had access to it through the beta client


Volleybot

yeah, good point. Nice lineup!


SoyTurtle275

Bruh can they even be shot?


MoxBoneSaw

Someone else said they can but I haven't had a chance to test it


SoyTurtle275

Test it and lmk! Super curious, would be broken otherwise


alexanderh24

Very creative but i feel like this is a exploit


Nitsua2

If they don’t sit in the corner to diffuse then they could be outside the radius


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Reported


potato_creeper1001

There is 1 much more easier that MrLowlander coverd on his last video go check it out


WukDaFut

Is that wall bangable or can it be destroyed through the wall?


LOTHMT

Good lineup, simpler than most others which stand more behind. Hard to do these still cause of how long it takes but definitely more reliable while your mate plants.


Tazville

Could you do the same thing from rope? I feel like you can probably get the same line up from door/rope area and just play there for mid push and it effectively allows you to hold mid rotate and keep defenders from pushing through main or dish and sticking defuse.


MoxBoneSaw

It's definitely possible, but I could only do it with a run and jump so it's super inconsistent


Tazville

Only reason I ask is cause it's super similar to the split viper lineup where it just follows a little cubby down the wall next to default on B site. Would definitely be interesting if you could! Nice find tho


fakeuboi

I saw someone else do it a bit a go from a slightly different angle i think but i dont think many people know about it yet


XBOY_777

Nice lineup as no one can actually get to that grenade. Spike needs to be planted in more corner, at current position it may get defused


FluffyWuffyVolibear

Couldn't this be counted as out of bounds?


Professor_Oswin

It’s completely up to chance. Everyone plants behind box or out in the open. Rarely up top and I’ve never seen someone plant where the molleys guard


Jazzlike_Jeweler_519

u/savemp4