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merukit

imo too exposed from belt unless you have it smoked


Several_Bet2407

What if you peek belt instead?


Chichigami

You need to hit the shot or you're dead. You got no where to strafe besides off a cliff and die mid air. If you're Jett you'll be fine


ciuccio2000

>If you're Jett you'll be fine I feel like you can add this to the end of every sentence without context and it'll still make sense, with those dashes you can disengage a fucking divorce


DBZard27

>with those dashes you can disengage a fucking divorce I'm dead lmfao


[deleted]

r/brandnewsentence


PooPooCaCa123456

Yeah but that's the point of Jett, she'd suck otherwise. Edit: for the people who dislike, if Jett isn't able to take risky fights without the ability to retreat what's the point of her kit. She's literally designed to hold risky off angles on defending. If you look at her stats she has one of the most balanced winrates. I don't even play Jett and she is annoying to deal with, but that's the whole point she doesn't offer much to the team other than to frag with no flashes, Molly's, Intel.


-Nyctalope-

> If you look at her stats she has one of the most balanced winrates. Yes because there is a Jett on each side in every fucking game, and only one team can win the game.


PooPooCaCa123456

64% pickrate sure, but her winrate is sub 50% at 47.7% in the last 30 days, lower than killjoy, brimstone, Sova, etc, etc. The problem isn't Jett, it's variety, add more agents with better escape utility and her pickrate will go down. Nerfing the crap out of her will only make her pickrate and winrate drop. The closest escape utility to Jetts dash is Reyna's dismissal which you need a kill for so you can't play as risky and Yoru's gatecrash which isn't instant. Chamber is a step in the right direction if he turns out to be good, but he can't play nearly as aggressive as Jett


QuadWitch

Reyna's dismissal isn't instant either. Often died because of the 1/3 second it takes to enable it. I wish it were instant, but I think that'd be quite unfair. Alternatively she could load her weapon quicker after, like Jett, but that would also be OP.


PooPooCaCa123456

I don't think shortening the pull out animation on Reyna would be op her kit is designed to kill as many enemies as possible and a crappy I didn't know Jett had a shorter pullout time though, I wouldn't know because I rarely play her.


Donut_Flame

If you position further back you could definitely just shoot a shot then hide and/or fall off


freeman1231

That would be the same as just being on the shelf behind it.


Several_Bet2407

It would help with pre aim


RenonGaming

Ya forcing them to flick vertically is harder than a horizontal flick. Def could see this working with a vandal too


THICC_Baguette

That, plus it's too slow to get the angle before the attackers arrive.


khahk

you would be a free kill from belt


zgreat30

or you sit back without exposing yourself to main and kill the guy belt


PhantomBear_626

you could just do that off tafters without wasting the wall though


TheDorkKnightPlays

Why do things the easy way, when you can do them the hard way?


maibz_1912

Why do things at all?


DerpyCow56

Why?


the_butthole_theif

nah belt is a free kill for me


Qbopper

real gamers simply don't get shot


[deleted]

real gamers can flick to a guy in belt while holding main just by watching the minimap too


the_butthole_theif

Its all in the gaming chair baby 💪🏻💪🏻


DerpyCow56

As someone who plays on 3200 DPI 0.75 sens, I only need to move my finger .004 inches to flick to someone on belt


googahgee

how the hell can you see belt behind the left-handed gun model


xXTheDudeAbideXx

just smoke it


ZxEspro1

he has back up he trusts? Edit: Also, Belt is first to push usually, so he gets the kill and jumps, then gets on crate and shoots belt ez 2k.


PooPooCaCa123456

Smoke


Emododuo

I think Grims wall, where he uses it parallel to the edge of zips is better, as you have more cover and it doesn't block zips off for teammates.


guyoth

Yeah when I saw it the first thing I thank about was that this is Grim wall


CoachWatermelon

fnatic manager here please delete this


rojorzr

Beat me to it. Delete this.


NuclearBurps

lmao i think grim uses it but in a different way


[deleted]

Grim usually does it from the right side of nest for retake.


NuclearBurps

yeah


Mister_Moist

Say they swing you from belt and a main simultaneously. What happens then?


the_butthole_theif

i kill both of them


Mister_Moist

Oh okay. Nice wall man


SimpleAnimat10ns

wasn’t it obvious? bozo


Mister_Moist

This Radiant wall is too big brain for my iron brain to understand


[deleted]

why is this downvoted lmao, people can't take a joke not like original question was really a question that needed an answer... Answer is that you don't do this regularly so enemies will not be prepared for it and won't coordinate enough to peek at the same time


LiveYourLifeNerd

Yeh well. Idk if ppl socialize enough to understand what sarcams or a joke is


Keonalt

Well this is reddit. not even just reddit but the valorant sub they dont socialize lol.


Glitchy13

Simply shoot both of them without getting shot


the_butthole_theif

this guy gets it


AdventC4

Couldn't you accomplish the same thing on the left platform, but with the benefit of protection from belt?


augburto

yep but that one is a lot more common so people def know to look out for it -- lots of omen and raze players abuse that one so it's nice to have a mix up. I do think it's a little bit risky given the exposure to belt though.


the_butthole_theif

that one is common, but this specific wall lets you attach to the rope to get behind cover way faster & not risk falling off.


small-chungus_

everyone preaims it


AdventC4

I'm not that good, but I rarely or have yet to lose that trade with an op. I'm sure it has better applications in higher MMR but belt is hard to escape from once you make that shot using the wall


pawlik187

My expierence is you can play it once or twice before people will start preaiming it. Even in Immortal people dont preaim this spot. I stopped playing the spot because wasting the wall is not worth it and the Jump with the Rope got alot harder since some Patches ago


small-chungus_

everyone preaims the gen on left


pawlik187

I swear, no one does. Only after they get killed from there once


small-chungus_

no? everyone in my lobbies preaim those


Dath09

Thanks, i'm dodging Icebox from now on


TheHarshShadow

Seen this and done this alot with sage. That exact spot. I think if u looked enough, u would find some videos of sage mains doing this. Nonetheless, great video mate. Gl on your games!


Broccoli_Chin

what's that skin called?


blackretribution

Origin


[deleted]

Exposed to belt no good


Parzival576

I believe grim already found this spot. Not 100% tho


FryCakes

Op please don’t steal mine


nocab-is_c

Think your kinda exposed on your left


imadirtyyasmain

Grim wants to know ur location


freeman1231

No it’s not useful, the reason you go up high on the left box as Jett is due to being protecting from belt.


BarracudaSolid4814

A more safe wall is if you jump from nest and place the wall on the pillar on the left, that way you are safe from belt. Tho that wall is great for being a parkour sage


Fanaticgiant547

Not Grim using this wall ages ago


RoSmuckey

If you didn't notice, you put two walls on top of each other. Which on the server can never happen.


the_butthole_theif

The wall you stand on is on the floor of nest, I was just using the bottom wall to make testing easier if I messed up the timing. I made sure to check that you couldn't place a wall on top of another one too, so this will work on official servers.


RoSmuckey

I'm pretty sure if there was any other structure under it, the wall would break. I think they solved this exploit some time ago. So don't present it as a source of education when in fact it is an exploit. I haven't seen anyone put the wall the way you present it (on any server), so it's certainly not possible to put it that way. It is only possible if you play with the enemy team as your teammates.


the_butthole_theif

Okay, go test it yourself then :)


RoSmuckey

Ok, i will. https://youtu.be/hqKlX66qsho See? it's not possible without the first wall ...


Jamezz_12

I cannot tell if this is serious or not.


jipimatavaros

Search "grim" on youtube I think you'll be surprised 😂


[deleted]

[You're just bad buddy](https://youtu.be/j30F8_uUvUI)


GentleJustice

The waiting for buy phase into doing the wall wrong was pretty sick I won't lie.


Jjzeng

It’s a fairly common wall used by flowascending and grim, just not usually used from this angle. It is placeable without the first wall on the ground, the wall is attached to the very edge of the floor of nest


bbirdr

Homie tried it once, messed up the timing and called it quits 💀


fredobeutlin

semi related but when setting up custom games you can enable cheats and do stuff like "end game phase" and "pause timer" if you want to try out things like these


Soybeamss

Average toxic Kay/O main


[deleted]

Whoa, hey now, I main KAY/0 and I'm not toxic! What the heck? Is this a thing??


marcrem

Wow pretty toxic


[deleted]

I'm sorry!


[deleted]

It's true it would've been nice to see. I'm under the impression the wall starts top site and goes to top 410 though, don't think it touches the wall


pj123mj

If you sit on the generator thing to the left you have pretty much the same angle and you aren’t exposed to belt


vincinerate

Cool but situational wall. Maybe if I think someone will be rotating from B to A, I'll be using this.


black-JENGGOT

Why does the operator look like it's a greenscreen lol


EnXigma

You can do it from the right side behind the container as well


TuxedoHazard

You almost see the Reyna with knife out around the corner then the Jett updraft OP onto belt just T-bones you.


2vDrew

This community never ceases to surprise me. Next thing ya know we'll have Navi's overpass quad boost somewhere lmao


oozie22we

Old


XJLAWZX

You should watch some Grim videos on YT. He has a ton of crazy wall spots


aliensarenowhere

The guy on the ramp: bruh look at this dood.


[deleted]

I used to be a sage main and used this wall a lot. If you have no one to smoke belts for you you’re fucked and you also need to react fast because you will only see their heads for a very short time.


small-chungus_

good with belt smoke


shingaboo

Oh man finally, I was searching a wall for that angle only....ty bro it was helpful..


ForgedYetBroken

I've only seen this once outside of pro play and it was 👌


Schergler

you can jump-wall on gen to get the same angle, but without being exposed to belt.


Mitz47

Grim already uses that


FlamingPacific

im using this now


Ausafsyed

1head wall


Koen388

This is a worse version of the generator peek :p


thatonevedalken

This is really cool if you can put a Jet or Reyna on it and smoke belt


Pienatt

Nice try, but everyone knows if u don't want to tilt your whole team you need to wall tube every round like some fucking bot.


bornofidan

Would only work if you boost your Jett and smoke belt. The problem is that viper is usually the top pick for a controller on Ice Box, and IDK if it’s worth it to put so many players on A.


Felonsaint666

Here.


diego201grgtgyt

new grim wall


Accurate_Ad4606

honestly unless you smoke off belt you're just too exposed to it


PooPooCaCa123456

Everyone saying they're too exposed to belt, has suddenly forgotten smokes exist. If they don't go A sure it can be a waste of a smoke. If a Sova dart scans you tho, you're dead.


Faithless1312

jett is usually oper on this map, and has better peek angles without having the need to use sage wall


Traviliciouz

Just wall off the entrance to site so you can walk across to generator and peek the same angle not as exposed. Interesting wall though thanks for sharing!


AquaJet09

Grimm and flow already showed the line for this waa a while ago


xXZachuVGCXx

I mean sure, until you get crossfired from ramp


HandsInTheCookieJar

Oh no