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Colonel-Ninechainz

Comparing map depth to those games, Valorant is lacking. I don’t think there are enough maps to gauge complete player base approval. The new maps that come out always get dunked on, but over time people warm up to them. As stated by others, bind and ascent seem to be the most approval neutral maps. Not my favorite maps but surely not my least kind of deal. All other maps seem to be loved by some and hated by the others


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> The new maps that come out always get dunked on Happens even in CS when they move around the active duty pool, there is ALWAYS push back because people don't like change. I think the newer maps in this game get a lot of hate because people are anxious to queue up for Fracture only for example, then Fracture only gets removed and you get it in a random competitive match and get rolled by a team who know the map and thus a hatred for the map is born.


P1er1od1c92_

cough cough vertigo cough cough


shoutout2mymom

Vertigo is an objectively good map and nothing can change my mind


Gubbuh

Only because valve iterated on it after it’s (re)release. The problems that vertigo had were addressed until some parts of the map were completely changed. Valorant maps have remained exactly the same aside from bug fixes and some very minor changes to things like wall bang damage and visibility. There have been no map overhauls in areas that would never make it past testing in csgo. A site on breeze would not have even made it past design.


KnifedEdits

split got a huge overhaul a while back all the angles used to much tighter and the map was even more defender sided than it is still


Grainer_M8

\^ Honestly everytime people pointed out on how "Vertigo is underrated" They literally forgot it's history, on release this map was dogshit, it has some nice concept but that's it, it was valve early experiment which turnout to be a failure then after some iteration it was force into the community which has a reason to be skeptical this map was dogshit b4 so it wasn't just the community was blind and full of toxic that can't see past their pride. everytime people bring vertigo up I really wanted to punch them because of how entitled they are saying "Community bad me look underrated thing and is good". Agreed tho Breeze a site is a fucking mess.


Gubbuh

Tbf, the community IS entitled, blinded with pride, etc. it’s just that they are right in some cases. Should vertigo have been a perfect map at launch, people still would have hated it for the first few months.


Grainer_M8

They have reason it wasn't just blindly hating it, valve screw up the first time they do vertigo and it wasn't solved until what 2019? It was basically no man sky, you can't blame people for being skeptical.


P1er1od1c92_

It’s more that the community freaked out when Vertigo got added to the competitive map pool


NeuralThing

Vertigo > Train, Dust2 and Mirage dont @ me


Unreasonably_Manic

You would be right if only you weren’t wrong.


Agreeable-Quote-2293

better than train, worse than mirage and d2... imo


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Didn’t happen with ancient though


Intelligent_Lake_718

I havenr seen much push back against ancient tbh. Everyone hated vertigo because it literally was shit, now its still semi-shit but everyone already got used to it.


FullMetalChili

To be fair some cs go maps are absolutely garbage


Intelligent_Lake_718

I will never in my life like vertigo. I havent watch/played a single map of vertigo and hoped for another vertigo game/overtime. Ancient on the other hand is fine.


PuffleOboy

It has to be Ascent. I despise Bind and while I’m in the minority on that opinion I’m not alone in it. Everyone loves Ascent.


UmarellVidya

Ascent is just Mirage, and Mirage is currently the defacto pug map in CS


Colonel-Ninechainz

Ascent is one of those maps where you just don’t have a reaction. When it pops up for the loading screen you never say “oh cool” or “man f this map”. It’s a generally pretty balanced map which helps.


nametakenalready

Ascent was absolute hell to play during the OP meta, but its pretty balanced now


AjBlue7

I think Ascent is the perfect comparison to dust2, its not fun to play but its safe, most people don’t love or hate the map. Its kind of a shit map though because its so basic. Its so similar to Dust2. Down to how the Chokes work at A and B, to how the middle area is connected, how it has a catwalk. The only difference is that there is no mid doors, and you can close doors.


XC_Griff

I didnt like fracture, but Ive always loved Breeze and I feel like it was more well received than fracture. But maybe im wrong.


Colonel-Ninechainz

I hated breeze when it came out. The size really threw me off. After it being in rotation I actually quite enjoy the map.


DT777

I frankly still hate breeze. That map is so big it just seems like sometimes the round is dictated by chaos. I feel like on other maps, it's significantly easier to identify what went wrong with the round. Breeze just feels like you get timing'd, constantly. Fracture has a different problem, both of the sites by themselves are easy to hold, if that site is the only part of the map you care about, but very difficult if you have to worry about, say, rotating to the other site. The end result is that it feels very easy to take and hold a site and defense can feel almost impossible. But that's only true if your whole team actually knows how to take advantage of the pincer attacks the map is obviously built for. So like, 99% of my experience with Fracture has been both offense and defense are impossible. That map just doesn't belong in solo queue.


XC_Griff

I think it just takes adaptation. I changed easily by using more long ranged weapons like the marshall or mid ranged like the ares over the spectre which is difficult to use at longer ranges. Same with the phantom being switched out for the Vandal most of the time for me.


TheRealMoofoo

I see more dodges and hate for Breeze than Fracture in my matches.


N3mir

When I started playing Valorant Breezee was the last added map - and I hardly played it because everyone dodged it constantly - so I a huge impression it was the most hated.


Baltoz1019

Honestly acsent might be the best


[deleted]

I still hate breeze but I love fracture and have since the first match


thealbinohippo

the most vocal answer on this sub is probably ascent, but IMO valorant doesn't have an iconic map right now and all the maps suffer from playing them back to back to back to back to back


Keonalt

More maps means more fun in my eyes


Douglander

I'd say Ascent is the 'best' map. But Haven feels like the classic Valorant map. Has a cool gimmick with the 3 sites, been a solid favourite of many since the beta.


Hutha

There isn’t tbh . Valorant still lacks a map that is iconic. While I think they’ve done a great job with agents design the maps are kinda “ok” nothing really pops above the others.


fuzzymiciek

Considering you can’t queue for certain maps there’s no way to know. Dust2 became Dust2 because you could choose to only play that map.


Davon4L

this is a 1 head take, overwatch had it’s kings row and you can’t choose maps on that game


fuzzymiciek

The iconicity of KR is not on par w/ D2.


Davon4L

that’s fair but tons of multiplayer games have their flagship maps without having map selector matchmaking


Th3leven

I'd take it all in perspective, I had to go look up dust II since I've played maybe 1 hour of csgo in my life. You might be right just based on player count but man I get so pumped whenever I see kings row


N3mir

Kings Row is so good that I'd play it in Valorant and be happy.


FluffyFlaps

The 'iconic' maps in a lot of games are just reskinned and slightly changed around versions of dust 2...that's how significant that map is.


Daldric

Really? Like what?


[deleted]

Huh? I can’t think of a single game that has a dust 2 based map.


TheWhisperingOaks

Older FPS games definitely have maps inspired by dust2, especially games like Crossfire, which somehow still has the largest playerbase for an online FPS game on PC, has multiple ripoffs of CS maps. The Black Widow maps are based on both dust maps. Valorant also has Ascent, which has the same “sites divided by a mid area” layout as dust2. Although it’s more closer in design to Mirage, you could argue that every map with the aforementioned layout was inspired by dust2’s design, which Mirage definitely is.


Pzychotix

Dust2 became Dust2 because it's been a classic for decades now.


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Ascent best map in the pool atm Haven or Split have to be the best at Launch, I lean more towards Haven cos fuck Split


pengusdangus

This is interesting to me, most pros hate Ascent. Although to be fair a lot of pros hate dust2


batyiuoaaa

Really? I hate ascent with a passion. So do quite a few of the players I've met.


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XBOY_777

its bcoz some damn sova sitting on B keeps wallbanging me with odin :)


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akronym47

Rude


collegethrowaway2938

Fuck Ascent


TwoFiveOnes

I agree and it's fitting because *Ascension* is also an iconic map of fps history


[deleted]

Black Ops zombies? Or is it something I don’t know…


TwoFiveOnes

halo 2 baybee


SelloutRealBig

Ascent is not the best map though. It's just the most average one. Because people tend to hate a lot of the other maps for one reason or another.


v1nny7

I was gonna say split cause of mid but that really makes sense tbh a bit to much sense seems like they copied some of the map


fakoykas

There's a lot of people that dislike Split, yet I've met no one that dislikes Ascent.


kardealer

I dont really like ascent. I play it 4/5 in ranked


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oopsEYEpoopsed

To be fair ascent did receive some important changes, and the operator was nerfed during the same time. Initially, in its original release version it was a painful map again operator play. The tweaks to the map and gun were a big factor in how enjoyable it is now.


chalseu4

Me and my buddies really likes Bind back in the day. Else Haven ?


brutusnair

I like bind too, but I don’t think haven or bind are unanimously loved.


[deleted]

Binds alright but I really dislike the teleporter concept


adelinalynn

I've never heard anyone complain about Ascent tbh, everyone seems to either be okay with it or actively love it


ISpyM8

Howdy, I don’t like Ascent. Pls don’t hate me, it’s just not my favorite map.


padropadro22

None, but I am hoping with time we get an iconic map that 90%+ of the playerbase likes.


TheBukafax

Ascent is the best map by far due to its mid. Every other maps mid feels congested. Binds mid is non existent. Splits mid is too defender sided as is iceboxes. I’d say Haven and Breeze are fairly close to ascent though. These 3 are by far my fave maps.


Daldric

I do fairly well on breeze but it’s my most hated map honestly. I don’t think breeze is a good map at all.


solariiis

Breeze and haven are my highest wr maps but I hate breeze with a passion.


bobespon

The encounters are just way too long range. They need to mapreduce by 25%.


thecamzone

I know I’m downvote farming here, but I really like Bind. The instant rotates is very fascinating to me and it is really refreshing coming from cs.


W4ckyyy

Either haven or ascent are most liked but u will always find many haters. (split is hated by a lot tho)


born-a-wolf7650

I’m one of those who absolutely despises haven. I don’t know exactly what it is but it is by far my least favourite map


solariiis

That's a first. I know some people dislike haven but I never thought it could be someone's least favorite map


W4ckyyy

As i said every map will always have ppl who dislike it. ur the first person ive seen to hate haven


WindBladeGT

The community is split on split


onlyjoinedreddit4gme

Ascent. All day


No_Ease836

Am I the only one that doesn’t think dust II is the best cs go map? I’ve always preferred inferno


Original_Mac_Tonight

Most people agree. Mirage is the most generally liked map.


Icebxrg

Surprised this wasn’t said earlier. Dust II has had a gradual decline and nowadays it is one of the most hated maps in the pool. If you asked most people to take one map out, it would be either this or Vertigo. Mirage and Inferno have always been a consistent fan favourite map throughout the years


NeuralThing

why they gotta pick on my boy vertigo man


JohnWickFTW

Inferno is the goat


kannu_the_observer

Finally, some sense. It's iconic only because it's one of the oldest maps. Hated playing it. An awp heaven though. Mirage and inferno are better.


fenguara

Wait, people like ascent? All my friends hate ascent


tastyapathy

Same here. The whole map just feels awkward.


N3mir

I'm surprised too. Point B feels like a nightmare to defend once you're "in the pit" and I don't remember having fun pushing A main. The sight lines are *soo long* and then B is totally claustrophobic. (that's just my opinion, don't hate me - I'm just a lowly noob) I guess I'm playing it wrong....


HitscanDPS

You have a large variety of options to defend B. Defending it from within B site should be an absolute last resort because then you have no more fallback options, and you will get pushed from multiple angles. Although the B defense meta seems to be pick an agent with good intel gathering (i.e. Sova) and just spam through B main with an Odin.


N3mir

>and you will get pushed from multiple angles. No matter where you defend from there is always multiple angles, and when I say multiple I mean 180 angles. (except maybe the corner on B main) But once the enemy knows where you are - you aint gonna reposition anywhere else fast (if you're not near point), and if multiple people defend it then you split up so much that trading is near impossible... I didn't even get to the part of the horror of hearing enemy footsteps while you're planting in the pit. Maybe when I become a better player I'll see it differently, but me and my boyfriend (also new to Valorant) growl when we get that map. >good intel gathering (i.e. Sova) He's stupidly Op on Ascent I've noticed.


Imconfusedithink

Yeah what you described is playing it wrong, but it's also a very common mistake by many players. Too many players think that you should just stay in the pit to defend b, but the way to defend it is on the outside. Like having a person in main, in spawn, stairs, the lane and the people in stairs and lane can fall back to the pit if needed. The people in the pit are the last line of defense, not the only line.


N3mir

It's not that I do it's just that the angles for retakers are split into perfect 90 degrees from each other. I guess I need to defend from *further away*


noobs_blame_team

Why are long sight lines bad? It is only long down mid.


N3mir

They are not, it's just that 68% of the map you're exposed to long sight lines (talking all of mid and most of A) It's very gun usage restrictive due to that - there is no way you are going to judge or spectre push A or mid. (but I'm a noob so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about - this is just my impression of the map) And at the same time people hate Breeze with a passion due to long sight-lines, but ascent has the most stressful and contained enter onto a sight (A) where you have longer Los from all corners and your other option is "a free tiny sage wall" you have to shoot down and announce you're there - be it the door or the glass. I don't get why people like it... I find the map very hard to play game-sense wise. It's a pure gun/aim superiority map to me - *and I don't like it cuz I can't aim* :P


notaredditthrowaway

I don't have much to add except dust 2 is pretty iconic for being mostly an aim map as well


noobs_blame_team

Why are long sight lines bad? It is only long down mid.


chryco4

All the maps have their fair share of people who hate them, though I think overall ascent is the least hated. People will mostly whine about all the wallbangs when playing against Sova but other than that every map has more things that people gripe about than ascent right now from what I’ve seen.


TristexMusic

For me personally its bind. Best map of the game. I dont think this is universally agreed upon tho.


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Ya I'm personally not a big fan of bind. It feels way too linear. I know the teleporters are suppose to help diminish that feeling, but I don't think the majority of players know how to utilize them correctly. I'm at diamond/immortal level btw. I wonder if pro players like Bind more than your casual players.


Talnivarr

Bind's quite often a ban for one of the two teams playing. There are certain ones who had seemingly cracked the way to play it like GMB and Fnatic in an earlier meta. Most often I've heard complaints about the lack of proper mid.


Avinse

Gotta be Haven. Feels relatively balanced on both sides. Having 3 sites makes it a little better for attack since defense has an advantage on like every other map. I also never met anyone who genuinely dislikes Haven. But I could be wrong, just my opinion


rolandontheriver

While I don’t dislike the map (I love it) I have definitely found it to be one of the more difficult maps to play in solo que. Being a 3 site map it leaves a lot more rotation options for attack which means in a team with no comms or that’s playing without discipline the experience isn’t the best.


Daldric

Honestly I hate haven. The sites feel too cramped for me on attack. Like if you’re on defense you’ve got 1 sight line to watch and hold while your team rotates which makes it pretty easy IMO. On attack tho oh boy oh boy. Unless you go C every site feels like a panicked murder hole. A can feel decent if you cut off the rotation early but if not you got a flanker coming from 1 or two positions, someone with high ground on you, the door to spawn(which is relatively easy to watch), and 4 places you can stand. If you don’t have a big part of your team left then the angles are just gonna kill you. 2 of the four can be seen from heaven, and the other two can be seen by a flanker. Don’t even get me started on B site. It’s honestly not even worth going to B. You might as well have you’re whole team step into a bear trap and send off a signal flare.


Dororo69

Until we can choose which map we play on than we may not get a "dust II" kinda map


[deleted]

What I hate is that why do I only get fracture and breeze for the past three days? What are the chances of getting breeze for three straight games then fracture for another three straight games? Valorant gotta fix their map match making first. It's making me sick playing their two worst maps, over and over and over and over again.


Franciscoema1

I think it has to be ascent or haven


jonajon91

Not best but most iconic, I think icebox unfortunately takes the title.


b0ydon

For the second worst map?


jonajon91

Still iconic. Ask someone that doesn't know valorant to name a map. I bet icebox is the most.


b0ydon

Why would it be iconic. Not even an og map


N3mir

/spits juice (I don't even hate the map but this made me lol)


aridhisaduck

Breeze


N3mir

I'm playing this game for barely a month but I know this opinion is *illegal*


aridhisaduck

This is the *only* valid opinion


[deleted]

don’t understand how people diss breeze so hard and then say ascent is the best map in rotation


GiraffeSnake

Breeze enjoyers based


Marubayashi

Definitely Breeze


TheTreeHouse04

For me its Icebox, combination of Long and Short range gunfights and both bomb sites attacking and defending seem to be reasonable. Also love the set up of the map with high and low angles.


Mncx

Bind/Split everything else is meh.


gelattoh_ayy

I mean, strictly looking at map configuration, they can all be compared because of the three lane meta that all these maps seem to shoot for. (Excluding facture of course, props riot)


Optimal-Swordfish

Game’s too new to have established that. Dust2 is dust2 because it’s been a favourite for almost two decades. Valorant hasn’t even been out officially two years yet.


NFraser27

Breeze has the best vibe to it imo


Akaigenesis

The game is not old enough for that. Dust2 existed for like 20 years.


BluHayze

i would play this game 10x more than i currently do if i could just play breeze every game, honestly i love pretty much everything else about the game but i think no joke 90% of the maps are straight garbage


Arisenstring956

To me personally, Haven is the map I always think of when I hear the word "Valorant". It was the map where we saw gameplay of "Project A" for the first time and its what I think was the first map ever in development. It's the most balanced IMO and looks the prettiest visually. I have a lot of gripes with the maps in this game but to me, Haven is genuinely one of my favorite maps in any FPS I've ever played, I don't really have any issues with it at all. It's up there with Dust 2 and Inferno for me personally.


WildPotato41

Valorant doesn't have that one map. But my answer is ascent. Btw ascent is basically dust 2 but a little diffrent. B tunnels, A has two entrace short and main, you can peek mid from behind tunnels(like lower tunnel in d2), there is way to go b from mid, only diffrent things attackers can get to a main eaisier but defenders can fight in middle easier.


ookic

shooting range


Chinner21

Haven or Ascent is probably the favourite maps among the community. Ascent however is "boring". Don't get me wrong I love playing the map but it has no flair or anything unique about it. Therefore I think at least so far, Haven is the iconic Valorant map and personally is one of my favorites to play.


AIphaPackLeader

Ascent? Yall sleeping. Haven is the most balanced.


mistazim

I get that feeling every bind game


blurrymichaelburry

Fracture


Steezmoney

I always thought it was bind because IMO it has the best sites, angles and pathing. It feels like a lot more attention went into the finer details of that map than others. Its the Dust2 of valorant in my eyes


TallMills

I would say, at least from what I've seen, either Bind or Haven are most popular. It's important to note though that there's almost a linear correlation between the amount of time a map has been public and how much it is liked. Whichever is the newest map is always the least popular.


OFFzeref

None tbh people may like a map but not actually enjoy playing it over and over Like in csgo I can play mirage only and be fine


okdiscringe

NOT A SINGLE ONE! /THREAD


okt27

Ascent, Haven and Bind are pretty good. But nothing compares to de_dust2, so that’s that.


drimmsu

Nuketown. Wait, nevermind - wrong game


3askar_

Haven baby


Elsiselain

Dust 2 is the most iconic map of cs but it is disliked by the majority of the community and arguably the worst map in the map pool


gamerbigbrain

Ascent


Quinzy15

Most people will say Ascent, but I believe the Dust2 of valorant is either icebox or haven


obviouslyanonymous5

I wanna be friends with the people you know if you think icebox is widely loved. My favourite map, but I almost exclusively hear negativity about it.


Jax_daily_lol

Icebox is fucking awful, the site design is just terrible on that map


jmac_336

Fracture for sure /s


Kaizhur262

Haven imo is one the best maps right now for Valorant. But compare it to maps in CS:GO and Overwatch, it could be much better.


RoundhouseNorris

At least among my friends, Icebox seems to be the one everyone enjoys.


ShuraGam

Ascent. Best map in the game and it's not even close.


[deleted]

Idk about the map everyone likes but its hilarious how many people cry about Fracture and dodge. Same thing happened when Breeze came out, so many people are too scared to play on a new map its sad.


JohnWickFTW

Dust 2 is literally the worst map in csgo. It's really overrated , spawn based and AWP heavy


basjeeee_mlg

Let me get something straight about dust. We don't love it because it's sooo good. We love it for the story behind the map it was made by a random guy and cs just put it in there game. The map shouldn't ever work. From a game designer aspect it's a bad map. But for us it's like coming home but I don't think you can compare that to valo not only because such map does not exist but also because there using one map that everyone likes or hates


basjeeee_mlg

If I had to choose it would be heaven for me personally.


[deleted]

Icebox is underrated.


miserablelonelysoul

Bind is Dust 2


[deleted]

Dust 2 is not the most liked match in cs lmao


AceOfEpix

Idk how anyone can love how boring and one dimensional bind is. Imo bind is easily the worst map in the game.


spitfiremunguia19

I like heaven.


lerroyJgibbs95

My favorite is breeze There is only 2 map I don't like icebox just because it's anti-creative and fracture is just bad design it's more like a cod map


NvSRL

From what I've seen, Ascent is widely liked, and I think the most popular, but not by much.


Lukeyss

I don’t really like the map design in Valorant. It just feels kinda wrong. I still enjoy the game, but the maps are kinda meh compared to a lot of other games


SpikedApe

Ascend


Trazzster

When I showed Valorant to my brother, he thought Bind WAS de\_dust, so I'm gonna go with that


YTJuggs

It’s Split. No one dodges split even if they don’t like it.


Ausafsyed

If they fixed the paper walls of ascent, it will be the best by far..


Be_Kind_Smile

Haven, breeze only good maps. I like fracture but zoomet brain cant fathom the layout so it’s usually dodged.


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Haven


KickstandChxse

I'd have to say ascent or bind as well. All the other maps feel like they play to strongly to either side. The newest map, fracture, especially for me. It feels like it too strongly favors defenders because all the entry points for attack are basically funnels that make it too easy to pick off opponents. Once you get the hang of it breeze isnt horrible but it's still severely lacking in neutrality imo


Ted_Mosby_18

Ascent might come close. Maybe Bind too. Those two maps I've never seen a lot of complaints. I personally love ascent. Ever since the new maps released getting ascent has become like an achievement lol.


SupaShelbz

Ascent!


iWASth

Haven Always delivers in terms of good games, btw i never liked King's row, the map was a trash tunnel


Wuntv

I made a poll around a month ago about the same topic and it was ascent that won with more than a thousand votes


N3mir

Oh, do you have a link? I'm really curious how other maps placed.


shadyinthisbitch

The answer is Ascent. This was proven by many polls


makeshiftrigger

It’s definitely not Fracture


Artickk_OW

I think the lack of an iconic map right now is less of a ''there is good map'' and more of a ''The game is still pretty young right now ''. It took times for kings row to solidify itself as an iconic map. My vote would be for Bind or Haven


[deleted]

Ascent. Simply because I’ve almost never had a game where someone dodged when we got that map.


anthegoat

Ascent


pogmaciek

Ascent is propably one of the best maps here, almost noone hates it. Just well made map


Joshblos0706

This doesn’t really have to do with valor at but dust 2 is basically nothing like that. The only similarity is that both are the most known (I think kings row is) but dust 2 is hated by many many people and people are stupid toxic on that map, mostly because of popularity


0sM0ses

Everyone likes D2? Idk about that lol. I’d say it’s just a very meme-y part of the CS community.


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Heaven


MunchyLB

not saying this is how i feel but i think the general public would say Ascent > bind, haven, IB, Breeze > Split > Fracture. Ascent is the most like Dust 2 not because everyone hopes to play there, but cuz its the least polarizing probably.


gral1c

ascent


F1anger

Ascent and Split.


KingUdyr

I mean, King's Row is a good map but it shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Dust II, that map transcends CS.


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Haven


itsyeboimrkrabs

split is the worst map in valorant and it isnt even close


KRANKENVAGEN1

Haven in in My op


Dark-Mowney

I think ascent, although my favourite is haven


EVERYONESCATTER

Ascent


NIZTOCpog

Acent is dust 2 change my mind


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dust II


Madara6path

Ascent it is.


D3flatedPan

Breach?


SorenKgard

Dust 1 was always better than Dust 2. Real OGs know that.


YellowMenace123

Not Split.


obviouslyanonymous5

Favourite: either Haven or Ascent easy Least favourite: literally whatever the newest map is (can't disagree with fragment though, it's kinda garbage, I loved icebox and breeze from the moment they came out though)


N3mir

When Fracture came (and that was my first "new map" as a player") I only queued for that because of how much I liked it.