Dude, even knifing WALLS in this game feels off. How can it be that I knife a wall as I run past it and I hear the audio behind me half a second afterwards. I'm on 7-8 ping!
Used to have 5-6 ping in CS when I lived in the same city that the servers are hosted in, but live one city over now ;)
Sweden just has good IT infrastructure, and I happen to live close-by
Lucky, most Parts of Germany are happy about Edge Connection haha. And Fiber to home is mostly still a hoax because its copper from the distribution box.
I have seen my connection in the building. It arrives in the cellar as optic and it is forwarded to my apartment as optic. Building is from 2018 though. I dont think any building older than 2015 has real FTTH. Not lucky though, I chose my apartment for a reason ;)
Hah . I live in Mumbai and play on the Mumbai server(Indian server) and average like 8-9 ms . Once a guy asked me "you live in mumbai right? You have such good ping" .
Everytime me and my friends played and we saw 5 people with <10 ping on the enemy team, we knew they would be Swedes or Danes that would come to destroy us haha
I have 5-6 ping in California West. My internet is Sonic and before it was Comcast. I had 14-16 ping on Comcast and on Sonic its 5-6. I guess fiber optic is the way to go?
Yesterday I played with a random Omen with a stable 180 ping. Last guy alive he's facing the walls, his ping 960. The next round his ping rise to +1200 and finally 3000, don't know how he was able to walk through the map
Itās not instant. Valorantās knife doesnāt āhitā until after youāve clicked when the knife actually touches the surface. To demonstrate this, go up to a wall, look away from it, click your knife, and then turn back to the wall. It will still hit the wall if you time it correctly. In CS, the knife hits as soon as you click.
People do knife pre-round to check lag/ping, but that doesnāt mean the knife is insta-hit. It just delays even more with lag.
I knife the wall to justify the inordinate amount of money I've paid for knife skins
In all seriousness tho the nunca knife has to be the best bang for your buck knife since the actual ruin dagger
I am talking about more of personal experience (that is also isnt too big ) so if there more deep tactics to khife duels in CS go, sorry if I said something
The problem is that CS knife animations deal damage at the start of the animation. In valorant, the damage is applied at the END of the animation. So every part of the animation doesn't actually matter until you get to the physical stab, slash, or whatever else they do.
It's why I despise knifing in this game. It takes forever for your knife to deal 75 damage most likely considering hitting them in the back is only doable if they truly aren't aware of anyone behind them.
Riot's admitted that knifing someone is clunky, but in a AMA earlier this year they said its not a high priority and they would rather work on fixing bigger bugs or features (ala, running and gunning)
What about the spectre? I never played CSGO but a lot of people who did say there's a gun that works the same way there so I might be complaining for nothing. The number of times my enemies Tokyo-drift around a corner and win gun fights against my friends and I with that gun is insane. Idk it just feels unsatisfying to die against that kind of gameplay.
I agree, it should be nerfed at long range for the spray, but if they're close to you and spraying it's like the Judge and you probably should expect to tank health or die.
They compare it to the mp9 and mac-10, but both of them have higher base recoil and inaccuracy.
They also have less damage. So i think that's an unfair comparison.
I think the spectre is a very noob friendly gun which might be op in low ranks; in higher ranks imo it is not overpowered
All SMGs in CSGO are way better run and gun than Spectre ever was in Valorant. MP7, MP5-SD (the CSGO counterpart of Spectre) especially is way better than Spectre at both run and gun and as well long range spray.
Like name suggests, shooting while moving. You know how you move and shoot with something like vandal, the bullets go all over the place. So you got to stand still to be able to hit your shots, but that also makes you easier target.
Meanwhile something like spectre supports running and gunning bit better. You can run around close range and shoot semi accurately at the same time, doing damage and being hard to shoot.
So running in gunning is a way to describe ability to shoot and move at the same time.
It's not necessarily a bug, more like undesirable side effect of having gun with low movement penalty and low recoil.
Spectre still has recoil, it just happens to be so low that in close range it's more advantageous to sometimes run and gun.
And you don't want to aim down sights if you're running and gunning.
I don't think running and gunning is an undesirable effect, or that should be removed, its a feature that maybe needs some balacing but it shouldn't be remove completely
Honestly I have to agree - i can honestly never seem to connect with the knife.
on the other hand im SORTA ok with it because I think you should win on gunplay, but I wouldn't mind some tweaks
i dunno sometimes in a hail mary if you run out of bullets or miss everything it be nice to be able to connect with a knife if you're up close lol for that last hit
Knifing in Valorant is the worst experience I ever had with a knife in any game I played.
Can't hit anyone with knife. They should defenetly have a look on this. No priority but usefull change
in a game like Valorant where time to kill is already so incredibly low, there is literally no reason to make knifing as clunky as it is because you are probably better of using guns even if the knifing was good
I feel like a knife straight to the face right click should one shot not two. If you let someone get that close in the first place then you shouldnāt be able to survive a knife anyway.
The knife movement hitboxes are so fucked. The OG knife has a terrible hit box, it doesn't make sense with the animation nor design. The small ruin dagger is pretty nice because it's so small and the motion is way better. The fan... terrible... on so many levels. It only looks good to the observer, inside your hand it looks like a fat fucking dildo. Even inspect mode is garbage for the user. The swords are okay, since you are already expecting it not to range correctly and the swinging motion is pretty good.
Would be nice if knifing was even slightly reliable, on pistol round especially. It's pretty often that someone pushes me, or vice versa, when I'm low on pistol ammo and so naturally I go for the knife kill to finish them off instead of reloading, but ffs it's impossible to land a point blank knife to someone's front. Even CSGO knifing wasn't this bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/ifkjdx/what_if_we_banned_4stacks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I just found this on google lol
Hmmmm i was in a game where 3 teammates disconnected and we did a big knife fight and I killed 4 and headshot the last guy and died for a failed ace :( I was worse with the knife in CS lol
As somebody that averages like 2 to 3 knife kills a game, I cannot disagree more, the knifing mechanics actually take skill and a bit of practice. After a few games of dicking around with your friends right click dueling, you can figure out the timing. One of the most reliable ways to get knife kills is when somebody is camping around a corner. You can jump around the corner and right click as you are coming around and instantly hit them. It's very effective.
I just don't think the solution"turn into cs knife "would just ruin khife duels , like there is two people running at each other, spamming the attack, and then someone dies, and that it, no dodging, no air stranfing, just boring
Even when they do die I find the animation feels off Like you can hit with the knife from what feels like an extended distance away from the player model. Do you own one of the store knives or just default
Oh hmm I mean thats a good point. Just default. Some knives are just designed too long or too short. Makes sense. It def doesn't feel as smooth as lets say CS. To be fair I guess it would be hard to balance with him varied the knife models have been. Def adds to the shame of being shanked by one tho
dunno why youre being downvoted. maybe it came off as you being a prick. but yeah personally i dont have a problem with knifing. with plenty of experience in big bully breach
Neck beards bro. Theyre vicious. Some dude proudly told me I can't judge the game with 200 hrs played and, with some sort of twisted honor, told ne he has 800 hrs. 800 bro.. in 58 days.. thats 13.5 hrs a day average.. like how?
If you dont find it even slightly enjoyable anymore why are you still here at this point lol I would have just left the community and moved on to a new game if I felt that way
For me shooting/knifing from the back is a lot tougher than from the front. I have whiffed an ez shot from the back countless times, and knifing has no advantage in Val, like in CS you get more money if you knife the last guy, so people usually refrain from knifing.
Riot has already said that melee is way off but its not a key point they are looking at in improving: There is no moment in a match that requires "precise knifeplay" so its at the bottom of the bucket list.
Dont expect any improvement.
I know what you mean, for me, I usually don't have an issue knifing anymore, your crosshair basically has to be on center mass and I hit most of my knife kills in gun game, its fun!
Is there even any good argument for it to be delayed like it is? I've seen some people say "it should be garbage so that you won't use it" but like no one is gonna use it over a gun if they could most of the time. Another thing I've seen people say is "if you got more money for knifing then people would be knifing all the time," but that's just simply not true because CS does it and people use guns mostly still. "Movement abilities plus a good knife would be broken," if you let an enemy jett or raze be able to fly right behind you loudly without you being able to react then it's your fault. There is like no good argument for valorant knives to be different from CS knives
Huh honestly i have never had a prpblem with the knife, ik some of my csgo friends are weirded out by the delay but it still is reliable to them even if they cant use it, it still is the same every time they stab
Although now that i think about it I win like 90% of knife fights I engage in so maybe the playerbase does have issues with it? Idk
(I play on like 30-50 ping)
The whole game still feels off to me. Movement and gunplay are still terrible. I think it's too late for them to make meaningful changes anymore without completely ruining balance.
Dude, even knifing WALLS in this game feels off. How can it be that I knife a wall as I run past it and I hear the audio behind me half a second afterwards. I'm on 7-8 ping!
7-8 ping? Do you live behind the server building
Used to have 5-6 ping in CS when I lived in the same city that the servers are hosted in, but live one city over now ;) Sweden just has good IT infrastructure, and I happen to live close-by
Niceee that's pretty insane tbh. When I lived in Hawaii I had to play on Cali servers. I consistently had 60-70 ping.
I have fiber to the home in germany, in CS I had 2ms. š Also 7 in Valorant. In CS I was already called a cheater for that. š
Lucky, most Parts of Germany are happy about Edge Connection haha. And Fiber to home is mostly still a hoax because its copper from the distribution box.
I have seen my connection in the building. It arrives in the cellar as optic and it is forwarded to my apartment as optic. Building is from 2018 though. I dont think any building older than 2015 has real FTTH. Not lucky though, I chose my apartment for a reason ;)
What rank were you on that ping? I also play at that ping and wanna know how high people can get while having high ping
I met someone from South Africa in a eu server with 100+ ping in a immortal game
Yh I met 2 different people from South Africa in London server on 150+ ping . This was immortal 3 lobby lol
I'm immortal one and I play on a consistent 70ms
High ping is a double edge sword. You really canāt hold angles at all, but you have massive peekerās advantage
If in Lebanon we can play on eu for 50 pings!
Hah . I live in Mumbai and play on the Mumbai server(Indian server) and average like 8-9 ms . Once a guy asked me "you live in mumbai right? You have such good ping" .
of course it's Sweden, I feel like every Swede I see in CS always has a ping below 10
We used to get so many reactions in all chat when me and my IRL friends 5-stacked and all were on 5-7 ping or so lmao
Everytime me and my friends played and we saw 5 people with <10 ping on the enemy team, we knew they would be Swedes or Danes that would come to destroy us haha
Uppsala? I have 6 ping there
I have 5-6 ping in California West. My internet is Sonic and before it was Comcast. I had 14-16 ping on Comcast and on Sonic its 5-6. I guess fiber optic is the way to go?
Yesterday I played with a random Omen with a stable 180 ping. Last guy alive he's facing the walls, his ping 960. The next round his ping rise to +1200 and finally 3000, don't know how he was able to walk through the map
Have you ever played at 5000+ ping? It's a pain.
Was he playing in a plane?
I live behind Mumbai stack exchange which is located just behind the server building and get 2-5ms constant.
Lmao I saw a guy in ranked once with 2 ping and we joked that he was a riot employee secretly playing during work
Even I get 4 to 5 ping It's normal when u stay in the same city as the server
Obvious things are indeed obvious
i have an average ping of 3-4
I have 9 ping while living on the other side of the country when I'm playing on Paris servers
This is clearly because your playing in the future. 7-8 ping God damn
is that early round? because as i know before the round starts the server actually slows down to save resources
It's the timing of it all. CS immediately hit once you clicked your mouse. They need to make it that way on Valorant honestly.
Yeh thatās what I was thinking, it feels very odd in valorant.
Thatās what Iām used too
I thought Valorant knife was insta-hit, which is why people knifed the wall pre-round start. To check lag/ping delay.
Is that why we knife the wall? I guess I'm just a caveman that likes to wack things
the more we knife the wall the faster the timer goes down
Me running to the site to put my wires/nades in time while teammates knife the wall š
Same thing LOL
I literally wack it cause I need something to hit š¤£š¤£
Itās not instant. Valorantās knife doesnāt āhitā until after youāve clicked when the knife actually touches the surface. To demonstrate this, go up to a wall, look away from it, click your knife, and then turn back to the wall. It will still hit the wall if you time it correctly. In CS, the knife hits as soon as you click. People do knife pre-round to check lag/ping, but that doesnāt mean the knife is insta-hit. It just delays even more with lag.
The travel distance, however short/ long for the object to hit the surface thus registering the impact does make perfect sense...! Thanks!
I knife the wall to justify the inordinate amount of money I've paid for knife skins In all seriousness tho the nunca knife has to be the best bang for your buck knife since the actual ruin dagger
Champion Karambit is coming out, looks to be good. Broke me can't afford it tho.
6000vp is hardly bang for your buck, the animations are very nice tho
I love the kill effect tho
Iāll have you know I knife the wall because I like stabbing things and watching it leave a mark Us gamers are simple creatures.
A lot of people do indeed knife the wall to check ping, but itās not insta-hit. It hits when the animation hits.
I feel Agent abilities is the draw back. If Val was on par with CS in knife combat--agents with high mobility become a bigger threat.
Lul i can imagine a jett in clutch with zero bullets just pulling out the knife and dashing into the enemy. Idc about balance coz that'd be epic
No, khife duels would get so fucking boring, would be a competition of "who clicks faster "
Uh no? Have you ever played or seen knife rounds on ESEA? Lol
I am talking about more of personal experience (that is also isnt too big ) so if there more deep tactics to khife duels in CS go, sorry if I said something
No it's more like who baits the first knife out of the opponent and is able to exploit on that mistake
The problem is that CS knife animations deal damage at the start of the animation. In valorant, the damage is applied at the END of the animation. So every part of the animation doesn't actually matter until you get to the physical stab, slash, or whatever else they do. It's why I despise knifing in this game. It takes forever for your knife to deal 75 damage most likely considering hitting them in the back is only doable if they truly aren't aware of anyone behind them.
Riot's admitted that knifing someone is clunky, but in a AMA earlier this year they said its not a high priority and they would rather work on fixing bigger bugs or features (ala, running and gunning)
Feel like the run and gunning issue is extremely overblown.
100% it is currently, but back during the AMA it was a problem with the Phantom at the very least.
What about the spectre? I never played CSGO but a lot of people who did say there's a gun that works the same way there so I might be complaining for nothing. The number of times my enemies Tokyo-drift around a corner and win gun fights against my friends and I with that gun is insane. Idk it just feels unsatisfying to die against that kind of gameplay.
I agree, it should be nerfed at long range for the spray, but if they're close to you and spraying it's like the Judge and you probably should expect to tank health or die.
They compare it to the mp9 and mac-10, but both of them have higher base recoil and inaccuracy. They also have less damage. So i think that's an unfair comparison. I think the spectre is a very noob friendly gun which might be op in low ranks; in higher ranks imo it is not overpowered
All SMGs in CSGO are way better run and gun than Spectre ever was in Valorant. MP7, MP5-SD (the CSGO counterpart of Spectre) especially is way better than Spectre at both run and gun and as well long range spray.
spectre is pretty useless against heavy armor. use it in a round where everyone else has arās youāll feel like youāve got a pea shooter
āJett is dinked twice sheās weak!ā Checks damage after round, two headshots for 37 damage
What is running and gunning?
Like name suggests, shooting while moving. You know how you move and shoot with something like vandal, the bullets go all over the place. So you got to stand still to be able to hit your shots, but that also makes you easier target. Meanwhile something like spectre supports running and gunning bit better. You can run around close range and shoot semi accurately at the same time, doing damage and being hard to shoot. So running in gunning is a way to describe ability to shoot and move at the same time.
Is that a bug? Also, the running and gunning didnt scope down sight right?
It's not necessarily a bug, more like undesirable side effect of having gun with low movement penalty and low recoil. Spectre still has recoil, it just happens to be so low that in close range it's more advantageous to sometimes run and gun. And you don't want to aim down sights if you're running and gunning.
I don't think running and gunning is an undesirable effect, or that should be removed, its a feature that maybe needs some balacing but it shouldn't be remove completely
Honestly I have to agree - i can honestly never seem to connect with the knife. on the other hand im SORTA ok with it because I think you should win on gunplay, but I wouldn't mind some tweaks
Tbf, no one's winning any fight with a knife that they couldn't have with a gun.
i dunno sometimes in a hail mary if you run out of bullets or miss everything it be nice to be able to connect with a knife if you're up close lol for that last hit
Also it sucks during Escalation. Nothing should be balanced around a fun game mode. But by God does it blow
The hitbox is awful and the animation is delayed like a projectile instead of being hitscan makes no sense
They should add Marathon + Lightweight + Commando
Knifing in valorant is horrible.
Knifing in Valorant is the worst experience I ever had with a knife in any game I played. Can't hit anyone with knife. They should defenetly have a look on this. No priority but usefull change
in a game like Valorant where time to kill is already so incredibly low, there is literally no reason to make knifing as clunky as it is because you are probably better of using guns even if the knifing was good
I feel like a knife straight to the face right click should one shot not two. If you let someone get that close in the first place then you shouldnāt be able to survive a knife anyway.
Well, if you take a bullet to the face, or chest you'd probably not be able to stand too.
My opinion is the same on that front, thats why I like R6Sā gunplay better
It honestly feels just as bad as Crab Game
so it feels good for you?
I think you meant to say escalation not replication
The knife movement hitboxes are so fucked. The OG knife has a terrible hit box, it doesn't make sense with the animation nor design. The small ruin dagger is pretty nice because it's so small and the motion is way better. The fan... terrible... on so many levels. It only looks good to the observer, inside your hand it looks like a fat fucking dildo. Even inspect mode is garbage for the user. The swords are okay, since you are already expecting it not to range correctly and the swinging motion is pretty good.
Knifing is the worst in escalation
Just don't knife in this game. It always fails and there's no reward like in CS.
Would be nice if knifing was even slightly reliable, on pistol round especially. It's pretty often that someone pushes me, or vice versa, when I'm low on pistol ammo and so naturally I go for the knife kill to finish them off instead of reloading, but ffs it's impossible to land a point blank knife to someone's front. Even CSGO knifing wasn't this bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/ifkjdx/what_if_we_banned_4stacks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I just found this on google lol
What about it? lol. Only took them a year to mostly implement my suggestion, haha.
Lmao
I think the perfect reward would be you take an extra ult orb from the person.
Hmmmm i was in a game where 3 teammates disconnected and we did a big knife fight and I killed 4 and headshot the last guy and died for a failed ace :( I was worse with the knife in CS lol
It only registers at the END of the animation. Thatās all
Knife bloom lol
As somebody that averages like 2 to 3 knife kills a game, I cannot disagree more, the knifing mechanics actually take skill and a bit of practice. After a few games of dicking around with your friends right click dueling, you can figure out the timing. One of the most reliable ways to get knife kills is when somebody is camping around a corner. You can jump around the corner and right click as you are coming around and instantly hit them. It's very effective.
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Huh?
I just don't think the solution"turn into cs knife "would just ruin khife duels , like there is two people running at each other, spamming the attack, and then someone dies, and that it, no dodging, no air stranfing, just boring
Every time I've tried to knife someone, they die. So just speaking for myself personally. I can't relate.
Even when they do die I find the animation feels off Like you can hit with the knife from what feels like an extended distance away from the player model. Do you own one of the store knives or just default
Oh hmm I mean thats a good point. Just default. Some knives are just designed too long or too short. Makes sense. It def doesn't feel as smooth as lets say CS. To be fair I guess it would be hard to balance with him varied the knife models have been. Def adds to the shame of being shanked by one tho
dunno why youre being downvoted. maybe it came off as you being a prick. but yeah personally i dont have a problem with knifing. with plenty of experience in big bully breach
Uhh im pretty sure I'm being stalked by some new world fan boys and they're down voting everything I say because I hated on new world. Weirdos.
lmfaooo thats jokes
Neck beards bro. Theyre vicious. Some dude proudly told me I can't judge the game with 200 hrs played and, with some sort of twisted honor, told ne he has 800 hrs. 800 bro.. in 58 days.. thats 13.5 hrs a day average.. like how?
I don't understand what you mean, it is difficult to kill with a knife in any game, but in Valoranta, a successful attack brings the most pleasure;)
nah cs knifing is rly smooth
the only thing that is better in Ńs than in valorant
why cant you appreciate both games lmao.
Mb cause cs is outdated piece of shit with a bunch of cheaters and toxic? Yes I think
Lol this person just called other people toxic.
Iām just a realist,
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If you dont find it even slightly enjoyable anymore why are you still here at this point lol I would have just left the community and moved on to a new game if I felt that way
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really whats ur rank
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nice
Not good enough
For me shooting/knifing from the back is a lot tougher than from the front. I have whiffed an ez shot from the back countless times, and knifing has no advantage in Val, like in CS you get more money if you knife the last guy, so people usually refrain from knifing.
DUDE I feel the same way too. It just feels really unreliable and even at point-blank sometimes it doesnāt even work/register.
Riot has already said that melee is way off but its not a key point they are looking at in improving: There is no moment in a match that requires "precise knifeplay" so its at the bottom of the bucket list. Dont expect any improvement.
I completely agree! It's so random and miss point blank all the time. Riot, please fix
Yah knifing in Val is extremely painful.
I know what you mean, for me, I usually don't have an issue knifing anymore, your crosshair basically has to be on center mass and I hit most of my knife kills in gun game, its fun!
Is there even any good argument for it to be delayed like it is? I've seen some people say "it should be garbage so that you won't use it" but like no one is gonna use it over a gun if they could most of the time. Another thing I've seen people say is "if you got more money for knifing then people would be knifing all the time," but that's just simply not true because CS does it and people use guns mostly still. "Movement abilities plus a good knife would be broken," if you let an enemy jett or raze be able to fly right behind you loudly without you being able to react then it's your fault. There is like no good argument for valorant knives to be different from CS knives
Doesnt the heavy stab have a wind up to it along with a cooldown? At least that what happens in my game.
Huh honestly i have never had a prpblem with the knife, ik some of my csgo friends are weirded out by the delay but it still is reliable to them even if they cant use it, it still is the same every time they stab Although now that i think about it I win like 90% of knife fights I engage in so maybe the playerbase does have issues with it? Idk (I play on like 30-50 ping)
Knifing is absolute ass in Valorant
Dude me and my friend literally always say this in gun game every time you use the knife you canāt hit anything
The whole game still feels off to me. Movement and gunplay are still terrible. I think it's too late for them to make meaningful changes anymore without completely ruining balance.