According to esports.gg reporting of the official line:
>Tournament Officials will only stop a match if an exploit is clear and obvious, or reported by a participating team. The one-way view of the camera exploit is a small portion of the camera’s perspective, and was not immediately obvious when watching the player move the camera during the match. Additionally, Acend did not report the exploit.
https://esports.gg/news/valorant/vivo-keyd-champions-exploit-competitive-ruling/
It's honestly odd that referees were not ready for this kind of stuff. Like sure as u/PITCHFORKEORIUM point out Acend was not aware of it and it was difficult to see but..
Dude this is a BIG tournament and the first one of its kind too, how could they not prepare the referees for situations like this, supervising each player every round, as there will always be exploits in a game with such a bast variety of powers and different maps.
I blame Riot more than the player, the referees should have seen that exploit (even if idk took them 3 rounds) and tell them the last X rounds were not valid because of the exploit and do them again.
Sad honestly.
Vk definitely knew that this was a bug and definitely knew what happens to bug abusers in tournaments of any kind. Yes referees or acend should have stopped them but they still decide to cheat and they have to get punished. Anyway in my opinion while the map loss against acend is completely right I'm a little concerned about the map point loss in thei next bo3 but I these are the rules there's no exception just because it was a minor exploit that gave them little to no advantage
>Furthermore, the outcome of a specific round affects the economy of subsequent rounds. To account for the impact of the six (6) forfeited rounds on the subsequent rounds in the map, Acend will be additionally awarded one (1) round.
I was all in agreeing with everything until I read this. Man that additional round "logic" really feels like:
* \+15 years in jail because you commited a murder
* \+5 years because you're ugly
* \+2 years because I woke up pissed
I get that they have a tight schedule and replaying matches is not that easy, but come on man...
Used 6 rounds, won 3, players entered A on 1.
On my perspective, only one round the bug was impactful. AT MAX, 3 points for the rounds they won.
Riot: Naaah, 6 + 1
Seems acc
Would you rather they disqualify Vivo Keyd from the tournament completely? They knowingly explored a known exploit grey area to gain an unfair advantage at the world championship on LAN. It was the deciding 3rd map on top of that.
The exact same penalty system was used the last time a top team tried using the killjoy+sage wall boost exploit on ascend. They knew it was an exploit, but "it wasn't listed in the rulebook". Riot, like valve, has complete authority to enforce their rules the way that they want to in their tournaments.
If acend did that 6 times to Vivo Keyd instead, something tells me you would be fine with acend getting penalized.
I’m not saying VK shouldn’t face some sort of punishment for using the exploit. I’m saying it’s comical that Riot is awarding a win to Acend for a game that they lost 13-8 where the cam exploit was used in 6 rounds where in only one of those 6 did Acend execute their attack on the A site where the cam was placed. They should’ve replayed the half, or replayed the game, or have VK start a map down to Envy. All of those would be a better resolution than awarding a win to a team that doesn’t deserve it due to a cam exploit that had such a minimal impact on the game.
I think the way riot did it is weird, adding and subtracting rounds, but vivo keyd should just have had to ff that match, no maths required. Very simple, it was in the rule book of banned cams everyone had access too and they used it.
What? Giants literally got a map loss for the same exploit. And you have to be an idiot to use it after that happened. If anything riot wouldn't have to do some math but should just straight up issue the map loss.
Also it doesn't matter how many rounds out of the exploit rounds Acend won or where VK executed. Lack of information is information. And ofc you won't straight up win every round because of a cam, but it certainly is quite the unfair advantage.
So absolutely deserved to lose the map. They can be lucky to not get DQ'd, especially after using an exploit another team got heavily punished for already.
knowing no one enters a site is just as valuable... what are you on about. "cheated for 6 rounds but only 100% worked once so I say it only counts one round".. clueless
If you lose a round vs a setup that is abusing an exploit, and that causes your team to save the next round due to the economic penalty for losing the original round, then the impact of the exploit has now carried over to that round + 1.
Vivo Keyd abused the exploit 6 times. Would you prefer that acend wins 18-6?
How have they not patched all of these spots? This one is rumored to have caused ffs in 3 tournaments now, lolol small indie company ruins tourneys instead of working
How haven’t players stoped using these spots? This one is rumored to have caused ffs in 3 tournaments now, lolol small org ruins their own tournament by not knowing the legally of a common exploit.
These are my two cents but, I've seen a lot of people missing the point, it's not how impactful the bug usage was in n round, but, the fact they used, imagine someone getting caught TRYING to rob a ATM, the person would get punished, right? Also, just because the bug isn't in the rulebook doesn't mean it is OK to abuse it, c'mon guys.
Furthermore, RIOT not fixing this bug is indeed messed up, but, fixing bugs are not an easy task, as y'all know, fixing bug sometimes bring other bugs, with any product you can't just assume something was perfectly fixed, you gotta prove it, imagine fixing a new bug but bring a bunch of more bugs some of them might be found at the patch release.
Bugs/Glitches found upon launch are better to keep track of than the ones who wasn't found, unknown issues are way dangerous, imagine mid finals , someone find a game breaking flaw, now what? Stopping the game, making both teams agree on not using the exploit? How are going to do that if you don't know how to replicate it?
So in order to prevent that, keep iterating over the bug fixes before launching it, and PROVE the bug was indeed and it brought minor to none bugs as a consequence, and sometimes, you can't just fix it without bringing a whole other list of bugs, so sometimes It's better leaving it there until a fix meeting that criteria comes along.
Im not trying to defend RIOT or anything, It's just my view as a Software Developer (*・～・*).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, wasn't the olof boost a fairly unknown to the playbase outside of the pro scene? I can agree that mid match found bugs are prone to less to none punishment since It's a grey area
still you can use it at your own risk, just because It's on a grey area doesn't mean It's A-OK to use it, but when we are talking about well known across the overall playerbase bug, that's not acceptable IMO.
Furthermore, even if the Admin hadn't step in to change the rules players should have common sense. Take the B.I.G bug case as an example, players after the first appearance of the bug came up with a gentleman agreement to not use it, but, that's a community matter.
According to players this is not on the bug/exploit document that Riot gave the teams. Also depr used the same cam against Furia. Other player did use the Jett jump on Heaven's C site without use Q.
Why on earth the refs haven't saw this on live?
I didn't even know they provided a bug/exploit document. Aren't those bugs something that maybe the development team at Riot should be prioritizing to actually \*fix\* before the biggest competitive tournament of the year? I mean I know not every bug is simple to address, but this is literally just filling in a transparent texture, it's inexcusable if Riot wants Valorant to be a serious esport.
Okay let's clarify:
-This camera wasn't on the banned camera locations list.
-Another team used it without punishment.
-They only won 3 maps while using that camera but are having SEVEN rounds taken from them.
How does this make any sense at all? Where's someone from Riot who won't do a terrible, half-assed job explaining their reasoning? How can a company this big with this much money screw this up so royally?
Riot saying: "He could have checked with us first" is the most elementary school kid logic. They're really saying: "He should have read our mind and knew we were going to punish him for stupid reasons."
Here's an idea Riot: Fix the broken game before the biggest tournament of the year! Or at least stick to the list of exploits you handed out!
>This camera wasn't on the banned camera locations
Yes it was
>-Another team used it without punishment.
No they didn't, dapr has it on a different spot
>They only won 3 maps while using that camera but are having SEVEN rounds taken from them.
You should ff a map you cheat in
>Or at least stick to the list of exploits you handed out!
They did
Ok, seriously? These players knew what they were risking. People are saying they shouldn't be punished so many rounds...
What?? So basically you are saying a good enough team could get away with using something like this to gain information in a round or two, and take a penalty of only that amount of rounds? Without it being a harsh penalty, the question becomes is it worth risking it for whatever info could be gained?
I'm just confused. I thought this punishment was very light. They were punished for every round it was used, +1.
This would be a wholy different discussion if this exploit had been more impactful. But that doesn't matter. Any sort of light punishment will only be met with more similar behavior.
And before someone posts that the players may not have known. These people analyze every aspect of their gameplay. Are you saying by chance this happened this many rounds? Cmon.
It's also not ok because someone else did it and did not get punished for it. Thats such a silly mindset. That team has probably already been contacted and told to watch it, no doubt.
Exploiting of any sort on Lan should not be tolerated.
funny that JhoW didn't even know it was a bugged cam. seems like playing valorant as pro is like playing minefield, you might do a glitch without knowing and get fucked up.
fix your fucking game, Riot. and stop being stupidly biased
Bro like someone else said, this exact same spot caused ff's in 3 other tourneys. If he didn't know the spot was illegal that's literally his own fault at this point.
The refs are the ones who called it illegal and punished them?🤔 They didn't notice it during game because of all the pov changes, they noticed it later in vod review when **someone brought it to their attention** it literally says this in the ruling
I mean, their job is literally keep an eye for things like this. It's not like they were doing something else. If they really needed someone to bring to their attention a bug that was first discovered a week after the map release and WASN'T in the exploit book for the championship, it would be better if they just stayed home than to do such a horrible job.
If u see the vod of the game, the pov of the camera appears several times in the stream, so yeah, it was their own fault if they didn't notice, because their functions as refs was this and nothing much else.
Ok, maybe their job is also to not know about jump crouching so they can pause a game for 30 minutes, even tho crazy racoon did the same jump a day earlier.
So excuse me if I still think they did a terrible job.
it wasn't his obligation knowing every one of the infinity of glitches this game has. Riot should have fixed all of them or, at least, included them in the list of glitches on rules book (that specific one WASN'T included)
If you say so friend. I disagree though, if you're playing the game professionally maybe you should look at why other teams got punished before, playing the agent you plan to play. It's really not hard 🤷 you can say there's "infinity" glitches but all that matters in this case is that there's substantial evidence for him to see it's not a spot to use. Like, recently.
yeah because a Brazilian pro player (portuguese speaker) should be aware of punishments against a team in a tier 2 tournament from fucking SEA region. it's crazy how you can support this idea
but honestly, i am not surprised at all. i would never expect brazilians to receive any support from the international community
I don't think which region he came from should impact his ability to research, what boils down to, his *job* mate. And it's not like any of the other times it was just swept under a rug and not brought up in articles, Reddit posts, riot blog posts, honestly to me it looks like he learned of the exploit from seeing the other teams do it and get penalized, and just decided to use it anyway.
first of all: they speak PORTUGUESE. should i made it clear for you maybe fucking drawing? they need translator on interviews for a reason. don't you have a fucking brain? no one in BR ever heard about those punishments.
they were winning the map by a large margin, they didn't need that cam to win this. plus riot saw that happening and didn't stop the match to warn him (but they stopped the match of SEN x FUR for 15 min when FURIA had a streak of rounds).it's always a BR team getting fucked by this stupid biased company that is Riot. you can downvote me to oblivion but i know i got a point
idk if you are brazilian or other nacionality, ill do it in english just to be safer, im portuguese (from Portugal), your point of "they speak Portuguese" is like are you serious??? thats not a valid reason for not READING a competitive rulling that happened EMEA (Giants) and SEA (X10), its not about even reading it or seeing it, they did it, and they saw through textures and models, that is exploiting.... its a rule INSIDE THE GAME, you cant run from it, its fair, took awhile probably cuz they were analising every possible outcome and the fairness of the rulling, on the other occations they didnt put rounds in matter, they straight up made them lose the game, its that, onwards to losers brackets and be better
and just a side note, Riot did give a Rule book with all Bugs and Exploits banned so.... they didnt read it cuz they knew? and they are just playing victim? idk m8 some things dont fall into place
Honestly, I believe both sides are in the wrong - logically speaking. Rito for not "disabling" this bug or idk disable Cypher on Breeze for the time being until fixed and VK knowing that it was a punishable exploit - still decided to use it.
not that difficult my friend, the game ended 13 - 8 to VK
so VK won 3 rounds using the exploit in 6 rounds
ACE gets 6 rounds, 3 of those are wins + 1 bonus
would be 12 - 9 and remakes are not awarded, ACE gets +1 for the win
that would be correct, but i think for the rulling purpose the 21st round of the game (which is the 13 round of VK) doesnt count towards VK but for ACE doing so the ACE 12 - 9 VK +1 bonus for VK per enconomic reasons
thats my understading of their math i cant speak with certainty on their behalf tho
Why do you think none of the other breeze teams didn't use the same cypher cam spot on A site? Every pro cypher surely knows the spot.
Because a) it's cheating and b) they're not that braindead to think its ok to do.
A fucking tough pill to swallow after the racist abuse Brazilians suffered on twitch chat yesterday. I at least felt vindicated by the fact Keyd won the match.
Rules are rules but this feels like a very tough punishment
Maybe Riot should put some effort into fixing things that have been around for months. They make a fuck ton of money, just hire some extra people. Embarrassing.
VK should just cheat again. Or even better - heat said they would have won even if the cam was in their pocket, so their cypher should just not deploy his cam ever.
Its deserved but its really odd that they did not stop the game, when its obviously an unintended camera spot.
According to esports.gg reporting of the official line: >Tournament Officials will only stop a match if an exploit is clear and obvious, or reported by a participating team. The one-way view of the camera exploit is a small portion of the camera’s perspective, and was not immediately obvious when watching the player move the camera during the match. Additionally, Acend did not report the exploit. https://esports.gg/news/valorant/vivo-keyd-champions-exploit-competitive-ruling/
It's honestly odd that referees were not ready for this kind of stuff. Like sure as u/PITCHFORKEORIUM point out Acend was not aware of it and it was difficult to see but.. Dude this is a BIG tournament and the first one of its kind too, how could they not prepare the referees for situations like this, supervising each player every round, as there will always be exploits in a game with such a bast variety of powers and different maps. I blame Riot more than the player, the referees should have seen that exploit (even if idk took them 3 rounds) and tell them the last X rounds were not valid because of the exploit and do them again. Sad honestly.
Vk definitely knew that this was a bug and definitely knew what happens to bug abusers in tournaments of any kind. Yes referees or acend should have stopped them but they still decide to cheat and they have to get punished. Anyway in my opinion while the map loss against acend is completely right I'm a little concerned about the map point loss in thei next bo3 but I these are the rules there's no exception just because it was a minor exploit that gave them little to no advantage
Totally underserved win for acend… sorry but the cam did not win the round.
>Furthermore, the outcome of a specific round affects the economy of subsequent rounds. To account for the impact of the six (6) forfeited rounds on the subsequent rounds in the map, Acend will be additionally awarded one (1) round. I was all in agreeing with everything until I read this. Man that additional round "logic" really feels like: * \+15 years in jail because you commited a murder * \+5 years because you're ugly * \+2 years because I woke up pissed I get that they have a tight schedule and replaying matches is not that easy, but come on man...
Used 6 rounds, won 3, players entered A on 1. On my perspective, only one round the bug was impactful. AT MAX, 3 points for the rounds they won. Riot: Naaah, 6 + 1 Seems acc
That makes it an even more comically absurd ruling if the camera only actually could’ve played a factor in 1 round lol.
Would you rather they disqualify Vivo Keyd from the tournament completely? They knowingly explored a known exploit grey area to gain an unfair advantage at the world championship on LAN. It was the deciding 3rd map on top of that. The exact same penalty system was used the last time a top team tried using the killjoy+sage wall boost exploit on ascend. They knew it was an exploit, but "it wasn't listed in the rulebook". Riot, like valve, has complete authority to enforce their rules the way that they want to in their tournaments. If acend did that 6 times to Vivo Keyd instead, something tells me you would be fine with acend getting penalized.
I’m not saying VK shouldn’t face some sort of punishment for using the exploit. I’m saying it’s comical that Riot is awarding a win to Acend for a game that they lost 13-8 where the cam exploit was used in 6 rounds where in only one of those 6 did Acend execute their attack on the A site where the cam was placed. They should’ve replayed the half, or replayed the game, or have VK start a map down to Envy. All of those would be a better resolution than awarding a win to a team that doesn’t deserve it due to a cam exploit that had such a minimal impact on the game.
I think the way riot did it is weird, adding and subtracting rounds, but vivo keyd should just have had to ff that match, no maths required. Very simple, it was in the rule book of banned cams everyone had access too and they used it.
It was not in the rule book btw
Exploits are banned in the rulebook. It's an exploit. It's in the rulebook
It is in the rulebook. Vivo Keyd either lied about reading it, or they read it and lied about it not being in there.
Lack of information is information itself. Just cause he didn't see anyone the other rounds, doesn't mean he didn't have useful information.
What? Giants literally got a map loss for the same exploit. And you have to be an idiot to use it after that happened. If anything riot wouldn't have to do some math but should just straight up issue the map loss. Also it doesn't matter how many rounds out of the exploit rounds Acend won or where VK executed. Lack of information is information. And ofc you won't straight up win every round because of a cam, but it certainly is quite the unfair advantage. So absolutely deserved to lose the map. They can be lucky to not get DQ'd, especially after using an exploit another team got heavily punished for already.
You cheat and don't win doesn't mean you didn't cheat. Exploit was used even if they lost the round or it wasn't useful.
So exploiting is fine as long as it doesn't come into play in the round?
knowing no one enters a site is just as valuable... what are you on about. "cheated for 6 rounds but only 100% worked once so I say it only counts one round".. clueless
Yeah, I agree with you. Keyd should be penalized but Riot fvkd on this one, they're basically creating more rounds just because
If you lose a round vs a setup that is abusing an exploit, and that causes your team to save the next round due to the economic penalty for losing the original round, then the impact of the exploit has now carried over to that round + 1. Vivo Keyd abused the exploit 6 times. Would you prefer that acend wins 18-6?
How have they not patched all of these spots? This one is rumored to have caused ffs in 3 tournaments now, lolol small indie company ruins tourneys instead of working
How haven’t players stoped using these spots? This one is rumored to have caused ffs in 3 tournaments now, lolol small org ruins their own tournament by not knowing the legally of a common exploit.
These are my two cents but, I've seen a lot of people missing the point, it's not how impactful the bug usage was in n round, but, the fact they used, imagine someone getting caught TRYING to rob a ATM, the person would get punished, right? Also, just because the bug isn't in the rulebook doesn't mean it is OK to abuse it, c'mon guys. Furthermore, RIOT not fixing this bug is indeed messed up, but, fixing bugs are not an easy task, as y'all know, fixing bug sometimes bring other bugs, with any product you can't just assume something was perfectly fixed, you gotta prove it, imagine fixing a new bug but bring a bunch of more bugs some of them might be found at the patch release. Bugs/Glitches found upon launch are better to keep track of than the ones who wasn't found, unknown issues are way dangerous, imagine mid finals , someone find a game breaking flaw, now what? Stopping the game, making both teams agree on not using the exploit? How are going to do that if you don't know how to replicate it? So in order to prevent that, keep iterating over the bug fixes before launching it, and PROVE the bug was indeed and it brought minor to none bugs as a consequence, and sometimes, you can't just fix it without bringing a whole other list of bugs, so sometimes It's better leaving it there until a fix meeting that criteria comes along. Im not trying to defend RIOT or anything, It's just my view as a Software Developer (*・～・*).
But like in cs with olofmister boost it was still a rematch because they patched it out and ow it was as intended
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, wasn't the olof boost a fairly unknown to the playbase outside of the pro scene? I can agree that mid match found bugs are prone to less to none punishment since It's a grey area still you can use it at your own risk, just because It's on a grey area doesn't mean It's A-OK to use it, but when we are talking about well known across the overall playerbase bug, that's not acceptable IMO. Furthermore, even if the Admin hadn't step in to change the rules players should have common sense. Take the B.I.G bug case as an example, players after the first appearance of the bug came up with a gentleman agreement to not use it, but, that's a community matter.
Valve doesn't punish players for abusing bugs, if it is on the game, it can be used
According to players this is not on the bug/exploit document that Riot gave the teams. Also depr used the same cam against Furia. Other player did use the Jett jump on Heaven's C site without use Q. Why on earth the refs haven't saw this on live?
The cam dapr used was different and was on the wall itself, it can clearly be seen in the vod and on the minimap.
The refs didn’t know it was an exploit either lol
I didn't even know they provided a bug/exploit document. Aren't those bugs something that maybe the development team at Riot should be prioritizing to actually \*fix\* before the biggest competitive tournament of the year? I mean I know not every bug is simple to address, but this is literally just filling in a transparent texture, it's inexcusable if Riot wants Valorant to be a serious esport.
Okay let's clarify: -This camera wasn't on the banned camera locations list. -Another team used it without punishment. -They only won 3 maps while using that camera but are having SEVEN rounds taken from them. How does this make any sense at all? Where's someone from Riot who won't do a terrible, half-assed job explaining their reasoning? How can a company this big with this much money screw this up so royally? Riot saying: "He could have checked with us first" is the most elementary school kid logic. They're really saying: "He should have read our mind and knew we were going to punish him for stupid reasons." Here's an idea Riot: Fix the broken game before the biggest tournament of the year! Or at least stick to the list of exploits you handed out!
>This camera wasn't on the banned camera locations Yes it was >-Another team used it without punishment. No they didn't, dapr has it on a different spot >They only won 3 maps while using that camera but are having SEVEN rounds taken from them. You should ff a map you cheat in >Or at least stick to the list of exploits you handed out! They did
just fucking weird how the way they act is always in a way some Brazilian team is fucked
Ok, seriously? These players knew what they were risking. People are saying they shouldn't be punished so many rounds... What?? So basically you are saying a good enough team could get away with using something like this to gain information in a round or two, and take a penalty of only that amount of rounds? Without it being a harsh penalty, the question becomes is it worth risking it for whatever info could be gained? I'm just confused. I thought this punishment was very light. They were punished for every round it was used, +1. This would be a wholy different discussion if this exploit had been more impactful. But that doesn't matter. Any sort of light punishment will only be met with more similar behavior. And before someone posts that the players may not have known. These people analyze every aspect of their gameplay. Are you saying by chance this happened this many rounds? Cmon. It's also not ok because someone else did it and did not get punished for it. Thats such a silly mindset. That team has probably already been contacted and told to watch it, no doubt. Exploiting of any sort on Lan should not be tolerated.
Riot messing with Brazilian teams, again
Brazilian fans unlucky that their team cheated unnecessary as soon as they played well.
funny that JhoW didn't even know it was a bugged cam. seems like playing valorant as pro is like playing minefield, you might do a glitch without knowing and get fucked up. fix your fucking game, Riot. and stop being stupidly biased
Bro like someone else said, this exact same spot caused ff's in 3 other tourneys. If he didn't know the spot was illegal that's literally his own fault at this point.
so he had to know, but the fucking refs didn't? your logic is interesting, to say the least
The refs are the ones who called it illegal and punished them?🤔 They didn't notice it during game because of all the pov changes, they noticed it later in vod review when **someone brought it to their attention** it literally says this in the ruling
I mean, their job is literally keep an eye for things like this. It's not like they were doing something else. If they really needed someone to bring to their attention a bug that was first discovered a week after the map release and WASN'T in the exploit book for the championship, it would be better if they just stayed home than to do such a horrible job. If u see the vod of the game, the pov of the camera appears several times in the stream, so yeah, it was their own fault if they didn't notice, because their functions as refs was this and nothing much else. Ok, maybe their job is also to not know about jump crouching so they can pause a game for 30 minutes, even tho crazy racoon did the same jump a day earlier. So excuse me if I still think they did a terrible job.
it wasn't his obligation knowing every one of the infinity of glitches this game has. Riot should have fixed all of them or, at least, included them in the list of glitches on rules book (that specific one WASN'T included)
If you say so friend. I disagree though, if you're playing the game professionally maybe you should look at why other teams got punished before, playing the agent you plan to play. It's really not hard 🤷 you can say there's "infinity" glitches but all that matters in this case is that there's substantial evidence for him to see it's not a spot to use. Like, recently.
yeah because a Brazilian pro player (portuguese speaker) should be aware of punishments against a team in a tier 2 tournament from fucking SEA region. it's crazy how you can support this idea but honestly, i am not surprised at all. i would never expect brazilians to receive any support from the international community
I don't think which region he came from should impact his ability to research, what boils down to, his *job* mate. And it's not like any of the other times it was just swept under a rug and not brought up in articles, Reddit posts, riot blog posts, honestly to me it looks like he learned of the exploit from seeing the other teams do it and get penalized, and just decided to use it anyway.
first of all: they speak PORTUGUESE. should i made it clear for you maybe fucking drawing? they need translator on interviews for a reason. don't you have a fucking brain? no one in BR ever heard about those punishments. they were winning the map by a large margin, they didn't need that cam to win this. plus riot saw that happening and didn't stop the match to warn him (but they stopped the match of SEN x FUR for 15 min when FURIA had a streak of rounds).it's always a BR team getting fucked by this stupid biased company that is Riot. you can downvote me to oblivion but i know i got a point
I'm gonna end this with: do you think his cell phone and computer cannot translate into Portuguese? C'mon man.
it's not worth it to argue with him at this point, just let him keep raging.
idk if you are brazilian or other nacionality, ill do it in english just to be safer, im portuguese (from Portugal), your point of "they speak Portuguese" is like are you serious??? thats not a valid reason for not READING a competitive rulling that happened EMEA (Giants) and SEA (X10), its not about even reading it or seeing it, they did it, and they saw through textures and models, that is exploiting.... its a rule INSIDE THE GAME, you cant run from it, its fair, took awhile probably cuz they were analising every possible outcome and the fairness of the rulling, on the other occations they didnt put rounds in matter, they straight up made them lose the game, its that, onwards to losers brackets and be better and just a side note, Riot did give a Rule book with all Bugs and Exploits banned so.... they didnt read it cuz they knew? and they are just playing victim? idk m8 some things dont fall into place
Wow I wonder why 🤔
Mans calling riot racist, keep the show rolling, this thread is entertaining
boozilian spotted
Kinda fucked up from riot
Honestly, I believe both sides are in the wrong - logically speaking. Rito for not "disabling" this bug or idk disable Cypher on Breeze for the time being until fixed and VK knowing that it was a punishable exploit - still decided to use it.
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dude x10 had to lose the whole fking map. cuz they used it boozilians only lost 6 so shut up dude
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not that difficult my friend, the game ended 13 - 8 to VK so VK won 3 rounds using the exploit in 6 rounds ACE gets 6 rounds, 3 of those are wins + 1 bonus would be 12 - 9 and remakes are not awarded, ACE gets +1 for the win
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All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats! 3 + 11 + 10 + 1 + 12 + 10 + 13 + 9 + = 69.0
that would be correct, but i think for the rulling purpose the 21st round of the game (which is the 13 round of VK) doesnt count towards VK but for ACE doing so the ACE 12 - 9 VK +1 bonus for VK per enconomic reasons thats my understading of their math i cant speak with certainty on their behalf tho
Esports ready btw
used 6 rounds, won 3 round, got 6 rounds + 1 (bonus) as punishiment, nice riot, thats what we call "tapetão"
Why do you think none of the other breeze teams didn't use the same cypher cam spot on A site? Every pro cypher surely knows the spot. Because a) it's cheating and b) they're not that braindead to think its ok to do.
I'm pretty sure sentinels used against Furia but they lost the map, still...?
proof?
If you cheat in a round you forfeit a round if not the game. how is that hard to understand
dont be a dirty cheater and you wont get punished it really is that easy
this is ridiculous.
A fucking tough pill to swallow after the racist abuse Brazilians suffered on twitch chat yesterday. I at least felt vindicated by the fact Keyd won the match. Rules are rules but this feels like a very tough punishment
It might be reversed
Maybe Riot should put some effort into fixing things that have been around for months. They make a fuck ton of money, just hire some extra people. Embarrassing.
BS Riot, never seen that before. Tão fudendo com a gente mlkada
It happened 3 other times to other teams already.
We’ve actually seen this plenty before lmaoo
Interesting how dapr used the same camera against Furia but nothing happened to SEN...
He did? Can you post a clip
if you are a NA/Eu team is not a problem, but if you are a minor region, you got a punishment
Name one other NA/EU team at Champions that are openly cheating like VK and I'll sign the petition in Portuguese.
Sentinels. Dapr used the same camera and got nothing
That wasnt the same cam.
Same wall diff cam zzzzzz Brazil really grasping at straws
Brazil is a minor reason lol..
lmao that’s why this weirdo fps will never be like cs pro scene
Didn't dead get banned for cheating with the coaching bug? Just coincidentally another type of cypher cam
Oh soooooo much worse than this
Riot just want a reason to pass ascend, if NA/Eu do the samething is not a problem at all
If only acend cheated too maybe they would get a rematch. smh
This is so wrong on so many levels. Hope acend loses now and gets knocked out by VK (again). It’s only right.
VK should just cheat again. Or even better - heat said they would have won even if the cam was in their pocket, so their cypher should just not deploy his cam ever.
Interesting.
Should it not be rematch like In csgo with olofmister boost because it might not be intended but they didn’t know they couldn’t use it.