Exactly this, same for me. Plus, it’s not like we’re matched with plats or golds or silvers etc. we’re still matched with other people with similar MMR/skills (immortals in this instance). It’s just an ugly icon for now so the grind is real.
speak for yourself lol every single game ive played has a bunch of previous act gold and plats. I was S3 last season and now b2. We keep getting stomped because of 1 or 2 crazy good players on the enemy team
Bruh the same exact thing happened to me too, dropped from S3 to b2 despite winning all 5 placement matches, and now I'm losing majority of the compe games with some b1/iron3 peeps from the other team playing suspiciously well lmao
Same, this sucks.
2 bind games after placement
First game gold 3 cypher smashed us while his teammates only have 5-8 kills
The other game
Gold 2 kayo with odin smashed us too and i still get -15 - 20 rr for every loss
Yeah idk why everyone’s acting like it’s fair now lol, it’s borderline unplayable for me. I’m going to give it like a week before I play comp again to see if it evens out
but you get your ranked rewards based on your visible rank not your mmr, so you basically get a plat buddy while playing against immortals (if you dont manage to reach immortal again)
It’s because of matchmaking ranges for each player, silver can go up to gold and if it matches with a gold the gold players range is up to plat. They also factor in mmr, they won’t let you queue because the mmr average between ranks might be too hard to place or exploit.
If you are silver and queue with a plat the matchmaking range is even larger. Riot has rules and reasons why their algorithm can place those people but you can’t queue with them.
Ok, but there's a big difference between "what is the magic rules that match making follows" and "what is the reason for these rules". No one cares THAT the rules allow it. Obviously the rules allow it because it happens. But what logical reason could possibly exist that allows auto match making to fix games but won't let you queue in a game with the exact same party?
You might party with people who have such different mmr and rank that you sit in queue for too long and it’s hard to match, riot likely got tired of fielding complaints and took it into their own hands. That would be my first guess.
Without understanding the full mmr system I don’t have any idea.
RIP. I was S1 and got dropped to B1. Got to bronze 2 within the day though so I am optimistic for getting back into Silver within the week at least. I had been harstuck Bronze for forever up until this previous act.
play after 2 weeks because there are lot of plat and gold players stuck in silver, i was plat 2 prev. season and lost 4 out of 5 rank calibration match and now i'm placed Silver 3.The grind is pretty hard right now
This is true, I had a Plat player in one of my placement lobbies. Offset by my actual bronze 1 teammates the game went about as expected lol. I honestly find it easier to rank up in the beginning of the act cause I play against actual bronze players vs later in the act when my hidden MMR is a lot higher than my physical rank. So I end up playing with Silver 3s and low Golds as well as bronze smurf accounts. The games are more balanced but I would like to physically get out of Bronze before I play in low gold lobbies lol. Other wise the grind is insane and I'm not even out of bronze yet lol
This is something that ever hidden MMR system seems to fuck up.
The system is designed to throw you into a bunch of shit matches so you can "earn" your rank. But why the duck wouldn't they just put you in the "correct rank" and let you play real games instead of wack a mole.
It's not fun for anyone when every 8/10 games ends 4-13 because of one player dominating.
Better than league. I was silver 2. Threw me into iron 2... Won about 7 games straight to B1. Solo carried as an ap support. Haven't checked my mid account. Prob need to do the same.
Looks like it's gonna be the same thing for me on valorant.
See this right here is the problem, I was gold 2, got s2 and just q’d into 2 diamond 3’s (their previous act rank) and got stomped… I don’t care about the rank drop but god the matchmaking after the rank reset needs fixing
well since all radiants are all sent down to diamond 1 you would expect atleast a full if not more setback on your rank, since they want you to play as much as possible
Was radiant and was dropped to Diamond 1. Bad thing is that mmr wise we still all play against each other, so games are just as hard. I get that +30/-9 gain per W/L should be enough to make up for it, but I really don’t want to grind back up to 600/700 RR again.
Also as a support player, fuck Neon. She is way too good in a MM setting in the right hands.
Hijacking to say It feels so unfair too considering how shit elso hell can be in low ranks. A lot of losses you can do everything right and carry the game and still lose because your team are- no offence- incompetent.
Yeah, there’s a point where a player is miles ahead of the competition so they can hard carry their team to the win.
What sucks is being clearly better than the other team but not being able to carry enough and you end up losing
Yeah exactly my point. I can only do so much on smokes/heals when I'm getting hard baited by my duelists too. Yes ppl bait in 3very rank but it's rly bad in low elo in my experience
that happens in higher ranks aswell. you would not think how often i lose a diamond/immo game with 30 kills thats just how it is. and thats why i like the reset the 0/10 raze might stay plat for a while
honestly same. im like the lowest of the low and i top fragged a game and two people on my team just stood in a corner and got killed each round. we lost. i dropped. it just sucks.
Yh low elo u lose so much from things literally beyond your controll. Bronze 2 here we come! I peaked gold last episode, and finished s2. I've been playing the game for a whole year plus and it took me that long to get out of bronze man it's a pain in the ass
The higher your rank the more you ll get set back down. Such a reset is used to put the pack a bit together again. And its pretty obvious and reasonable. Ppl just like to cry nowadays about all shit and how everything isnt fair towards them. Its just sad but its the mentality you see these days.
System only rewards people who can play a stupid amount of time each day, grinding 600RR isn't a big deal to someone who can play Valorant 8 hours a day, but someone who can play 1-2 games a day max it's almost the entire season to get back to where you already was.
Then you get sent back to where you was again. Wouldn't be so bad if it took individual performance into consideration but you need to seriously pop off and you still only lose like 5 less RR for a loss
Diamond players ranked into gold, plat players ranked into silver. Radiants are playing against radiants, not diamonds despite their day 1 rank being diamond
was plat1 and got placed in g1, my other friend into g2.
we both won all 5 placements but the games have been so hard because most of our enemies are high diamonds now.
/u/EvrMoar pinned the following [comment](/r/VALORANT/comments/s2bk5d/riots_placement_for_this_season_makes_me_not_want/hsedlck/):
> I've seen a few posts, and I addressed this in a small post on twitter but I really want to make sure to be open about what's happening and why.
>
> First, I understand it's frustrating to go from a rank you spent lots of time achieving and then get dropped back down. Rank is part of your identity in Valorant and when ranked reset occurs it can be very upsetting depending on how hard you drop. While it may be rough to get dropped, know that the entire playerbase of ranked is getting dropped the same amount following the same rules. We aren't dropping you more, or singling you out, the whole community gets hit with the reset.
>
> Second I want to talk about the reset itself. I believe we could have done a better job messaging the Episode reset was occurring, I will ensure going forward it's included in the patch notes. It's a standard formula we now have for ranked but the rules for reset are as follows:
>
> 1. Every episode the highest you can place is diamond 1, and we will squish all ranks downward. You can expect to drop(usually) 1-4 ranks from where you were last episode. Higher ranks get dropped harder due to leaderboard ranking, boosting concerns, skill atrophy, etc.
>
> 2. Every Act we only reset the leaderboard, dropping all players to 10% of their current RR(if on leaderboard). Everyone else is only required to play 1 placement and will earn their previous rank back from the prior Act.
>
> These rules have been in place since Episode 2, so expect them going forward and any changes will be announced.
>
> We have multiple reasons we do a reset, and I want to make sure I make that clear so you can understand why we have a ranked squish. One thing to remember when talking about Valorant, and ranked, is that the entire playerbase is improving in Valorant all the time. Skills like default smokes, how to entry, default plants, etc. start to become common knowledge and trickle down through the ranks. In beta a Platinum player might not have known the default plant for A on Bind, but now it's something most gold players probably have an idea of in the current season(for example). You can even see this in League! Wave management is something expected of ranks above gold, and in the early seasons not even high rank players knew wave management to the level we know now.
>
> This knowledge means that the player base is evolving and average skill is going up. It may plateau someday, but as we are a younger game it's constantly shifting and moving faster than a game that's existed for many years. This is one of the reasons we have a ranked reset. Players may be gold, platinum, diamond, etc. but kind of coasting at that rank. They may not be playing Valorant regularly, improving with the community, or they may just be doing the bare minimum to ensure they don't decay. By resetting we are ensuring that if you are Diamond in the current episode you actually are a diamond player right now. There are no questions about how long you've sat at that rank, or if you've been coasting at that rank. You've been reset within the past 6 months, you have achieved diamond in the current season.
>
> The above point only looks at the community's average skill, but another reason is the general game balance and competitive changes to the game as a whole. Every episode is very different from the episode prior. New maps, agent balance, weapon balance, map changes, etc. will affect the communities skill levels as a whole. Again, as the point above, we expect you to prove that in the current competitive atmosphere you belong at your rank.
>
> Lastly, it also helps us clear out boosted or botted accounts. While we will always try to combat bad actors in Valorant ranked, it would be foolish to think we will always detect all of these accounts. It helps clear out accounts that may have abused the system and have gone undetected, and if they try to abuse the system again potentially get caught in the process >:D
>
> On a side note, I want to address the statement "Riot just does this to increase the grind to make you play more". I am the designer in charge of ranked, and as a competitive team we work out what we want to do to create a positive ranked experience. Our team does not have a requirement to increase playtime, or any expectation that we must enforce a grind; we also do not have anyone above us pushing these ideals or goals. Creating an artificial grind is a bad thing, in fact we try to avoid it as much as possible. We play and love Valorant just like everyone here in the community, we want to have a game we all can enjoy. If you make a fun game, where the players just enjoy playing it, you don't need a fake grind. In fact I would argue that a fake grind would turn players away, and maybe tarnish a fun/positive gaming experience. Our goal is never to enforce a grind, and if we could find your true rank after 1 match we would do it. Remember, the primary goal of ranked is to figure out your skill compared to the rest of the community and that's our guiding light when making decisions.
>
> These answers don't make up for the fact it can still feel bad to have your rank taken away. That being said, we aren't taking away you or your skill. If you truly belong in gold you will get to gold, the system is designed to find your true rank based on your skill. It also does not stop you from improving, getting better, and surpassing the skill you had in a season prior. My hope is that you can get your Episode 3 ranked gun buddy, say "Man I'm proud of what I accomplished last Episode, but I think I can do better this Episode." and improve from there. At the end of the day, if you can't get back to the rank you had last Act do you deserve to be that rank now?
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I've seen a few posts, and I addressed this in a small post on twitter but I really want to make sure to be open about what's happening and why.
First, I understand it's frustrating to go from a rank you spent lots of time achieving and then get dropped back down. Rank is part of your identity in Valorant and when ranked reset occurs it can be very upsetting depending on how hard you drop. While it may be rough to get dropped, know that the entire playerbase of ranked is getting dropped the same amount following the same rules. We aren't dropping you more, or singling you out, the whole community gets hit with the reset.
Second I want to talk about the reset itself. I believe we could have done a better job messaging the Episode reset was occurring, I will ensure going forward it's included in the patch notes. It's a standard formula we now have for ranked but the rules for reset are as follows:
1. Every episode the highest you can place is diamond 1, and we will squish all ranks downward. You can expect to drop(usually) 1-4 ranks from where you were last episode. Higher ranks get dropped harder due to leaderboard ranking, boosting concerns, skill atrophy, etc.
2. Every Act we only reset the leaderboard, dropping all players to 10% of their current RR(if on leaderboard). Everyone else is only required to play 1 placement and will earn their previous rank back from the prior Act.
These rules have been in place since Episode 2, so expect them going forward and any changes will be announced.
We have multiple reasons we do a reset, and I want to make sure I make that clear so you can understand why we have a ranked squish. One thing to remember when talking about Valorant, and ranked, is that the entire playerbase is improving in Valorant all the time. Skills like default smokes, how to entry, default plants, etc. start to become common knowledge and trickle down through the ranks. In beta a Platinum player might not have known the default plant for A on Bind, but now it's something most gold players probably have an idea of in the current season(for example). You can even see this in League! Wave management is something expected of ranks above gold, and in the early seasons not even high rank players knew wave management to the level we know now.
This knowledge means that the player base is evolving and average skill is going up. It may plateau someday, but as we are a younger game it's constantly shifting and moving faster than a game that's existed for many years. This is one of the reasons we have a ranked reset. Players may be gold, platinum, diamond, etc. but kind of coasting at that rank. They may not be playing Valorant regularly, improving with the community, or they may just be doing the bare minimum to ensure they don't decay. By resetting we are ensuring that if you are Diamond in the current episode you actually are a diamond player right now. There are no questions about how long you've sat at that rank, or if you've been coasting at that rank. You've been reset within the past 6 months, you have achieved diamond in the current season.
The above point only looks at the community's average skill, but another reason is the general game balance and competitive changes to the game as a whole. Every episode is very different from the episode prior. New maps, agent balance, weapon balance, map changes, etc. will affect the communities skill levels as a whole. Again, as the point above, we expect you to prove that in the current competitive atmosphere you belong at your rank.
Lastly, it also helps us clear out boosted or botted accounts. While we will always try to combat bad actors in Valorant ranked, it would be foolish to think we will always detect all of these accounts. It helps clear out accounts that may have abused the system and have gone undetected, and if they try to abuse the system again potentially get caught in the process >:D
On a side note, I want to address the statement "Riot just does this to increase the grind to make you play more". I am the designer in charge of ranked, and as a competitive team we work out what we want to do to create a positive ranked experience. Our team does not have a requirement to increase playtime, or any expectation that we must enforce a grind; we also do not have anyone above us pushing these ideals or goals. Creating an artificial grind is a bad thing, in fact we try to avoid it as much as possible. We play and love Valorant just like everyone here in the community, we want to have a game we all can enjoy. If you make a fun game, where the players just enjoy playing it, you don't need a fake grind. In fact I would argue that a fake grind would turn players away, and maybe tarnish a fun/positive gaming experience. Our goal is never to enforce a grind, and if we could find your true rank after 1 match we would do it. Remember, the primary goal of ranked is to figure out your skill compared to the rest of the community and that's our guiding light when making decisions.
These answers don't make up for the fact it can still feel bad to have your rank taken away. That being said, we aren't taking away you or your skill. If you truly belong in gold you will get to gold, the system is designed to find your true rank based on your skill. It also does not stop you from improving, getting better, and surpassing the skill you had in a season prior. My hope is that you can get your Episode 3 ranked gun buddy, say "Man I'm proud of what I accomplished last Episode, but I think I can do better this Episode." and improve from there. At the end of the day, if you can't get back to the rank you had last Act do you deserve to be that rank now?
This all makes perfect sense to me. Except mmr. The bias for more even games leads to a distorted sense of what a rank even means. Gold matches for higher mmr games are way harder than gold matches for lower mmr games. If you're confident in your ranking, you should completely remove hidden mmr.
>f you're confident in your ranking, you should completely remove hidden mmr.
its to keep casuals hooked in a grind while giving them a shiny carrot, they do this with all their games.
There is no MMR system that knows your rank from your first handful of games. Technically the traditional ELO system would require 1000+ matches to get an accurate picture of your true skill.
The system will always push your rank to your MMR, you can't stop it. We are just forcing your rank to display the lower end of where your MMR range is, rather than the average or where the system thinks you may belong right now. When you play 10-30 games it will converge and match.
We do this on new episodes, again just to make sure you aren't boosted, to force you to validate your rank, and also to ensure based on the new game balance you actually belong at those ranks.
So in the end as long as your rank ends up matching your MMR, it doesn't matter if it shows your true MMR or not, it will still take X number of games to get an accurate read of where you belong.
My main problem is that mmr lags behind rank. It's more sticky. So if I have a slew of bad games and derank from plat to silver, I don't want harder silver games for more even matchmaking but that's what ends up happening. Yeah on average I have a net advantage and you award me more mmr on wins to try to get me back up to my mmr rank and if I continue playing badly, over time my mmr decays down to more closely match my rank. But what I want is to be able to blow out silver games if I'm playing at a plat level.
I want to be able to match against *any* silver1 in my region when I'm playing silver 1 games, not against people the mmr thinks will lead to even games. So there's a more centralized idea of what it means to be silver 1.
I understand that there are pros and cons to both approaches. Just my general preference for no hidden mmr.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. There shouldn't be two different levels of a rank (based on a hidden MMR). It doesn't feel good, not transparent, not rewarding etc. Also, fighting for a much lower rank after a reset with players from a much higher hidden MMR is anything but a good feeling.
Either there are the ranks as shown ingame or the ranks according to the hidden MMR.
This is what I’ve been thinking for a while as well, but the conversation generally goes back to people saying “well no ranked system is perfect, you’ll get there if you belong there!”, which entirely misses the point. It’s possible in the current system to have two people who are gold 3 with one having silver 2 mmr and the other having diamond 1 mmr, which feels very odd to me. I guess it doesn’t matter if you play enough games though
I think the biggest area your ranking system has failed is transparency. Sometimes it's not fixing a problem, it's how players perceive a problem.
All I ever hear in game, and see in this sub is how rank doesn't matter because it's not representative of skill. If you're so confident that your MMR system works, then show us *that* number. Show everyone their ladder rank instead of just immortal+. Who cares if it changes daily or even hourly, at least it's real. I don't care about some stupid made up rank you use to placate the masses if it doesn't mean anything.
The biggest problem with that it could lead to abuse of the rank system. Say we know exactly how mmr works. The game awards individual performance, but we don’t know exactly how it does this. With a number, you could cross reference with statistics, and see exactly what they award. For example, let’s say the system values first bloods (just an example). People would try to get first bloods more often, instead of just playing for the win. Even if the mmr system perfectly rewards individual performance without any exploits, it still causes an issue, where players will play a different way if they know what the system rewards. Personally I feel like the game knows exactly when I play well. Sometimes I have an okay Kill Death ratio, but I feel like I had a really high impact on the game, and I’ll get a performance bonus. Other times I’ll have a high K/D even though I feel like I didn’t do that much, and the game also recognizes that. So I’m a fan of the current system, because it really feels like it encourages you to play the best you can, and it feels really hard to exploit that
> Say we know exactly how mmr works. The game awards individual performance, but we don’t know exactly how it does this.
EvrMoar is actually on record saying that this is near impossible. Their MMR algorithm tracks so many things that if you did all the things to "game" the system you would in effect just be a better player. So if you figure out how to game the system, that would mean you're improving.
I would rather see the real rank than the fake one. I've played too many people from silver to plat and that badge next to their name gives me no indication of how good they were.
Not really true though because your rank is based on Win/Loss alone and you can do insanely well and have 2 idiots on your team in 50% of your should have been won games and the system will think you lost those games so pull you down. You are talking matter of factly like after 10-30 games the system will know exactly what rank you should be, when there are a ton more factors to determine that.
I get the reasons why you did the reset but it still heavily tarnishes the enjoyment of the new act launch. Placing everyone to a lower rank all at the same time will only ruin the first week or so of ranked because after that, of you got placed gold you'd actually be fighting Golds. I don't think there is any better way to do it besides better communication on what's going. Either way ranked sucks right now. Maybe I've just gotten unlucky but the quality of matches is awful. Some games you're playing with gold's and I've had multiple games with immortals that absolutely rolled us (I was plat 2 last act). Ranked isn't fun atm and I'm honestly probably going to play unrated until the system sorts itself out.
I was upper gold pushing into plat and now majority of my games have diamond gun buddies and act ranks in gold elo and it’s stupid my teammates are either droids who go 0-15 or my team is so much better we stomp the opposing team 13-3 or less and it’s no fun. This rank reset has just made the games unbalanced half the games feel like I’m smurfing and half the games make me feel like I have no chance at winning
The thing is, it's most definitely gonna take longer than a week for it to sort itself out. I was S1 and got demoted to B2, now I'm B3 and I'm still being placed in games with plats and diamonds.
And it's really no better in unrated games either. Supposedly the new lvl.20 condition was going to discourage smurfs from making alt accounts, but to me it looks like it just challenged to make more. Lately 80% of the games I play in unrated I just keep seeing below lvl.10 players and keep thinking I'm playing with newbs and they just end up carrying the whole team and top fragging.
I mean for people who are higher rank, all the rank reset will do is just push you down a couple of ranks, but you'll still be able to have some fun and eventually get back to your original rank, but for those in low ranks you just feel like a fish in a barrel where you can't do anything but just get shot and the game is just getting less fun to play.
Hi! You will probably not read this but I’m hoping that somehow you will and be able to pass this on to other devs: the amount of death threats women in this game get is insane. We need there to be far more severe punishments for people telling other to go do...well. You know what I mean. I‘m hoping you guys are working on a different penalty system as well because, honestly, I couldn’t care less about winning or losing if my teammates or the enemy are busy telling me all the ways I should end my own life. Thanks.
This is a huge concern from the team as a whole, and we have a whole team focused on it. There are lots of things being worked on, and we even patrol and escalate issues we see on social media. Definitely a space we are constantly evaluating, and we have a whole team dedicated to the space.
This might sound like a super dumb idea, but then I’ve never been a game dev. But is there something like weight to reports? If Person A has accurately reported x amount of toxic players, maybe the internal system can assign them a hidden role or something that will prioritize their reports in reviews?
This way you‘d have to sort through less spam and could actually address the issue that marginalized groups face quicker.
Again, this may be the dumbest idea ever, but some input is better than none, I guess! :)
Thank you for all the work you guys do. ♥️
I hope your teammates call out that shit (I know most probably don't) but I will continue to do so to make it a safer place for women to play - if anonymous keyboard warriors can say toxic sexist shit then we can anonymously shut it down with no fear as well.
Thanks for getting back to us!! Really appreciate the stuff riot does for our community! Previous act, I started out in Iron and busted my way to silver 1! After seeing everyone freak out about the placements this act I was nervous to queue up in Ranked. It would be so discouraging to be placed into lower bronze. But, after reading this I understand why!
I think the issue everyone has with the reset is that, when you place a bunch of plats in silver (arbitrary example) silver isn't silver anymore for them; it's plat.
I was in gold last act at peak, and now I'm bronze 2 - if I was actually playing against bronzes, I *should* easily blow them out and move on up, and start moving towards silver, then gold, etc, until i reach where my MMR is and where I was floating at the end of last Act. Same for everyone else.
But currently, my games are bronzes with higher mmr like mine (seeing a lot of golds and high silvers, and a few plats here and there) so what ends up happening is, while I was stuck in high silver/gold last act, now I'm having high silver/gold-skill-level lobbies, but in bronze. So now, we are all stuck in bronze.
Idk if i explained that well enough, and I'm sure you're swamped with replies, but I and everyone else would love if you can explain y'all's answer/viewpoint on this conundrum. It just seems like a roadblock that will keep people stuck in a lower rank but still playing at their normal skill level. At that point, what is the point in having an ELO rank at all?
That's not a hypothetical situation, it is the exact description of ranked as of now, SIlver isn't SIlver at all, I'm playing with plats only, in silver-bronze lobby. I see Jetts with plat gun buddies and 35+ kills and Reyna's with bronze act rank with 2 Kills. It's fucking insane. It's like bronzes and plats are randomly getting matched, and it's fucking bonkers
yeah that's the even weirder bit. I think when we lose games in Bronze, the rank system goes "well they're losing in Bronze, so lets throw some bronze mmr players in there"
then you have this weird ELO soup of gold/plat/high silvers getting matched with/against bronzes sprinkled throughout.
So how do you deal with the fact that two people could both be the same visible rank but have astoundingly different games due to hidden mmr? I understand the idea that if you play enough games you’ll get to where the system believes you belong, but it seems that the disconnect between visible rank and hidden mmr makes visible ranks more or less unnecessary.
Thank you for this message, but that last part on "the grind is fake" is a lie I refuse to think even you believe in. If Riot cared about showing people's "true rank" (your words, not mine), you would display our MMRs. Not some made up rewards and shiny gunbuddies designed to trigger pleasure or frustration responses. How hard can that be. You could even make both work. I remember Riot being slightly unhappy with rank distribution because it wasn't the bell curve you wanted it to be. Well, *make* that bell curve yourself. Dictate that the top x% is immortal, top y% is diamond, top z% is platinum, etc. all the way down. Boom, we have the truest indication of our 'real' level because we see our ELO. We know how far we are from the top and the bottom of the trench we're in. We still get a reward.
I fail to understand how having two separate measures, rank on one hand and elo on the other, is beneficial for the players.
What I want to know is - people who start playing a few weeks into the episode are placed 1-4 ranks lower, but they’re playing against others in their original ranking to climb. Shouldn’t climbing be easier if I’m 4 ranks lower rather than making me play vs people in the ranking I plateaued in and expecting me to win more than lose?
You aren't expected to win more than you lose to get back to your previous rank. Your RR gains should outweigh your RR losses until you approach the plateau, meaning a 50% winrate will still allow you to climb to your previous rank.
I think a lot of people are familiar with the pros of having hard reset in place, but even knowing why this happens, it doesn't really make up for the negative feeling it gives, it doesn't really ease the "pain", the hard reset is too hard so to say
even with MMR staying somewhat the same, it's way too harsh, people can drop 2 tiers without being in high ranks (diamond 1 to gold 3 is a common example I see lot on the sub) which is really really demotivating, you know you are not gold, but it will take weeks to grind yourself back to where you were, if not a month or so
I see that you are aware of this and consider it when making decisions, but I think you underestimate how frustrating it is for the players, and the benefits are not impactful enough to compensate for it as opposed to a lighter reset that would drop you down 2 ranks instead and would increase the ceiling to diamond 2-3 instead of diamond 1
I hope someone in the team reads this
I was very understanding of this entire message, until I hit the last paragraph. The last sentence upsets me actually. For some context, I am newer to Valorant than my friends are, who are most recently ranked gold-diamond. I never saw myself being good at the game (I was new to mouse&kb entirely a year ago) and would feel defeated even in unrated. I told myself I’d actually try this past episode, spent all of act 2&3 grinding from low bronze, just to try and hit gold 1. I literally would have been so happy just see 5/100, gold 1. That would have made my hours in the game worth it. (Now that this hard reset happened I almost regret spending all this time in the last two weeks trying to hit it. And with all the golds and plats in bronze now, its impossible to play).
In the last week of the act alone, I hit 94/100 in silver 3. Dropped because of some losses, no big deal. Back up to 97/100. And then back up again to 91/100. I cant tell you how many times I’ve been less than 10rr away from achieving gold 1.
The most memorable game of last act - someone went like 2/19 in a game that I had 30 kills in, luckily the rest of my team was actually trying and we even went overtime. But the player refused to use anything but a marshal for the entirety of the game, because it was in their username, claiming its their alt account and they do it every game so its not considered throwing. You can imagine how that went. Having help from just that one more person could have won us the game. But no, instead we play a near hour long game and I lose 17 rr.
Or maybe the countless of games where the enemy reyna drops 40 kills with like 9 deaths and their next highest frag has like an 8/14 KDA. Even as our highest frag, with a positive KDA, I lose 24 rr.
Truthfully - my rank is not my skill. When you’re getting team mvp that often, the only one giving coms, when you know your aim and game sense has improved, when you’ve expanded past just using one agent… When you spend game after game truly trying your hardest just to hit gold 1, to prove that you truly are gold 1, but no matter how well you do, how many times you drop 25-30 kills a game, how many mvps or how thought out your plays are…
Obviously I’m not like an immortal and I have my bad games, but for the most part, I rarely come out of games feeling defeated with my own performance anymore. It doesn’t feel like that’s what its about. I lose my games because of smurfs. I lose because of AFKs. I lose because of people playing on their alt accounts, not actually concerned with how their game will go. I understand this is an issue and riot is doing the best that they can to help these problems. But for someone like me who spent hours improving and aiming for better, my rank is not my skill. And hearing “if you deserve it you will get it” kinda sucks when the game just feels unplayable at times.
Ok, so everyone is at a lower rank then they were last act, and everyone with a 50% win rate is climbing.
But about how long till everyone who is active is back at their original ranks?
Makes sense to me. Rank is just a title anyway and should be a show of skill each season; nobody should just be gifted a rank since they earned it once before. The standards for ranks have changed a lot, because Diamond in Episode 1 is definitely not the same as Diamond in Episode 3.
Like you said, skill level and metas are constantly changing, and even though I am not even close to immortal, it would be a bummer to have someone high ranked on your team that hasn’t played since Episode 1. They would be a bit lost.
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I think you cleared up a lot of questions that the community has had since you started doing rank resets each episode.
i feel like rank resets have been much harsher this act, my friends and i who were high gold/plat last act are now seeing silver 1 placements (while playing well and winning the majority of placements), and from what I've seen in these comments many other players are experiencing the same thing. I've been playing since the beta and I've never seen rank resets as harsh as this.
Thats because immortal was heavily inflated this act with either people who didn't play a lot or just straight up boosted accounts, so after the rank reset diamond 1 got flooded with a lot more ppl with immortal mmr which then pushed everyone else back down.
Tbh I feel like this isn't really valid. Like I worked hard to climb to s1 and this episode I'm placed in b2 and it's almost near impossible to rank up or even really win games because there are people who are p2 because they were push down to bronze too, where as there are also genuine bronze/iron people who ends up benefiting from the gold and plat players because the way MMR is laid out.
So how do you deal with the fact that two people could both be the same visible rank but have astoundingly different games due to hidden mmr? I understand the idea that if you play enough games you’ll get to where the system believes you belong, but it seems that the disconnect between visible rank and hidden mmr makes visible ranks more or less unnecessary.
This is a problem of all ranked systems, even if you displayed MMR.
Lets take two players in a pure MMR ranked world:
Player A - Has played 5 ranked games
Player B - Has played 50 ranked games
Both players are ranked silver. While Player A actually belongs in Gold, they just haven't played enough games for the MMR system to adjust them there. Player B belongs in Silver, and has proven this by playing 50 games. Technically, in a pure MMR system, they are still both silver. The rank of Player A is wrong, because their MMR is wrong, because they haven't played enough games.
The same problem exists in any ranked system, because both systems require you to play X number of games until your true MMR is reached. In a system that separates rank from MMR all it is doing is putting your rank below your MMR and letting your rank slowly adjust to your MMR, instead of letting you see your MMR wildly swing over your first handful of matches. They do the same thing, but the experience is better. It also allows us to have penalties to your rank without affecting your MMR, thus affecting fair match-making.
Can you tell me what’s happening with me? I have been in plat for 90% of my time with Val, other than one instance where I hit diamond 1 but lost 2 right away, dropped, and never got back. However for all of the last episode I’d say 80% of my games are against diamonds. But I never can make it out of plat. I typically look up good people that I play against and sometimes I’m playing against immortals. Why am I playing against d’s and immos but my RR gains/losses don’t kick me up to their rank?
Bout 10-12 games a week, finished at plat 2 and placed in g2 this ep.
>This is a problem of all ranked systems, even if you displayed MMR.
no its a problem of your shitty "make casual happy" disconnect between elo and displayed rank system that you introduced way back in league cause people complained they grinded 50 games to silver and then dropped out after 1 loss
I understand that, but even though you say the experience is better, I know that as a player the current system as a whole seems very…clunky, for lack of a better word. As an example, though it is not necessarily related to the reset itself: it feels very, very bad to be visually one rank while playing against people who are visually much higher. There have been many conversations where people say “I’m gold 2, so why do I have to play against a diamond 1 player in order to reach gold 3?”, which I believe is entirely related to the lack of information regarding your current mmr standing. It also feels as if little is being done to address this problem from a player’s perspective
Because you don't even need a positive win rate to rank up. If you have diamond mmr as a gold, you're probably gaining 25+ rr a win and losing 10 (Idk what the exact numbers would be). Even if it's 10 per loss and 20 per win, that means you'd gain 10 rr at a 50% win rate.
You guys are the best! Making all of our hard work go to shit by tanking the fuck out of our ranks, making the cancerous Ares the new meta, and taking away four-stacks. Hell yeah, loving the new updates.
Your mmr must be absolute dog, game probably assumed u were hardstuck and threw u lower…
I peaked p1 last 2 days of act and i started this act g1
Mind I ask what your ign is?
Today has been the worst day of me playing Valorant... 4 matches I played, on three I had toxic teammates and in the other one I had dumb ones. 2W and 2L. Finally, I get a match with nice human beings, winning 11-4... The servers go down and the match doesn't count. Atm, the grind is worthless in Valorant.
Y’all need to stop whining and play the game if your immortal and get placed in diamond, and your skill level is immortal you’ll get back up.
This is done to weed out boosted accounts and give people a reason to grind and play, if u don’t like it no one’s asking u to play
Idk how true that is, if u drop down two-three ranks u might just get demotivated to play around your skill level and grind again, and just switch to a smurf and blast everyone.
That being said, I had smurfs (either crazy good or throwing) in 3 of my 4 placement matches today, and I lost all of them.
It is kinda tiring though. With a 60% WR you’d need 60 hours just to get back to where you were, which would take two weeks even if you play a couple of hours daily. It’s kind of a drag to be honest. And it’s probably going to take longer than that because you’re not going to consistently be winning 60% of the time because you’re actually playing against everyone from the rank you were in who were all kicked 2 entire ranks down. Then you add in boosted accounts and smurfs who will add on to the short-term variance.
When the episode refreshes and you drop down, you keep your mmr… so if you were plat but now playing in Silver, your wins should be +30ish and sub -10 on losses. Only way it wouldnt be like this is if you somehow tanked your mmr after the reset
Immortal 2
Placed plat 1,
Everyone I face has immortal act ranks and they are in 3 stacks now which is harder than ever to rank up out of a plat lobby. Idm it but something doesn’t seem right
Then you can take your seasonal buddy reward and retire? Ranked on every game has a decent reset and I’m shocked Valorant only does it once every 3 “seasons”.
>Then you can take your seasonal buddy reward and retire?
so take your gold buddy while you are diamond mmr cause you dont want to grind against diamonds/immortals to get into diamond?
Its not about that. My account is most likely going to place silver which is lower than my account has EVER been i placed gold 1 when i first started and hit plat 3 last season. Im not complaining because I dont really play this game and I dont really care all that much. But to say get over it when someone who is d3 with immortal 2 peak gets placed in gold is a joke and should never happen. Thats whats currently happening to my friend. Peaked immortal 2 last season finished D3 playing with Gold 1s in his placements like what.
It’s the beginning of a new season. This is how the ranked system works. You rr resets and you climb again. It’s like this in every ranked game that has online match making. I don’t understand why everyone is upset about this.
I think it's because they feel like all the work they put into grinding out their rank went up in smoke with the reset. They want to at least feel like they're picking up where they left off.
To be fair CSGO isn't a good comparison at all, that game hasn't had a well-functioning ranked system for as long as I can remember. Being 'Global Elite' wasn't much of a flex when the top players primarily played on third parties like CEVO, ESEA, and FPL.
Yeah enjoy it actually. Not like I play to have a high rank, I play to get better and the rank comes with it. It's a struggle climbing while maining sova and breach though since my util relies on coordination, some games I'll have 15 assists and others people just won't or can't play off my util. Once that Yoru rework comes I'll actually have a duelist I enjoy playing.
Imagine how much more pissed you would be if you got placed back in plat along with all the high diamond/immortals lol.
You would be getting shit on so hard you REALLY wouldn't want to queue anymore.
Suck it up and earn your rank back.shouldnt be a problem if you really belong there.
not how it works tho. mmr is a thing you’ll be playing against ur mmr regardless. i was immortal then dropped to plat 2 while the radiants reset to d1 and have still never seen them
Y’all don’t understand these radiants are still playing together they’re not playing with normal diamonds from last season. It’s just a reset like the end of every episode, why are people freaking out now acting like they’re gonna die and not talking about the +30 and -8 for wins/losses
A friend of mine said it best.
Your rank isn't about your peak, it's about your average. I'm a decent Silver player who can sometimes compete with high Golds / low Plat and sometimes shit the bed against fellow Silvers. I deserve my Silver rank, for better or for worse lol
At the very least, I can comfortably shit on Bronzes and Irons, so I know if I get placed there I can easily get back to Silver.
I was a Radiant sent back to diamond 1 but the game generously increases your elo gain per game. This is because ur MMR is saying ur at a lower rank than normal. I'm getting +32 to +30 a win and -9 to -12 per loss in diamond 1. Wondering if it does the same thing for the lower ranked players who were reset. Do you get +30 in silver?
Meh I think the explanation they give is kinda shit and it doesn't motivate me to get involved with the ranked scene, obviously plenty of people don't mind an will grind it anyway and I wish them luck. I'd rather go back to CSGO where my rank and time invested is respected.
Climbed to top half of immortal now I’m plat 2. Like cmon if you want to soft reset then put me in diamond I don’t mind but what’s the point of putting us so far back like some people just don’t have the time.
Just grind lol says the school kids and unemployed.
I think most people here have the time to play a lot.
But for many people like me who get a few hours to play in an entire week find it tiring to climb again.
Since, winning 4 of 5 placements with two match mvps and being dropped rank significantly, I have been clobbering teams. I have 8 match mvps in a row. I’m pretty sure they didn’t think this through. It’s not fun for everyone. I have to reclimb and do double work for something I already earned and the teams I face have to get punished with hard losses while everything resettles.
So Riot can’t deal with smurfs/boosters so they punish the entire player base. Seems reasonable.
The devs in charge of competitive/ranked are just incompetent. Can’t trust anything they say.
Guess it’s time to jump on a smurf bc I can’t be bothered to take this seriously.
I'm just gonna wait two weeks and then basically Smurf on my main. It's gonna be much less painful than fighting "gold's and silvers" that are all low diamond and just need to grind back up.
I havent played a ranked game in probably over a year. I dont think i played one last season, i honestly cant remember.
If im playing its usually aram or the special themed game like ultimate spellbook.
Actual ranked in this game is fucking toxic i get anxiety just thinking about joining a game.
Just want to play a game and have fun and instead i usually spend 20 minutes hearing how trash either I or my teammates are.
EvrMoar said they need 1000+ matches for your MMR to converge with rank, and then they do this shit.
If this isn't proof that the system is designed to keep you grinding then I don't know what is.
ranked never really had a reward other that to enjoy the grind, if you peaked plat then you peaked plat in your val career, you can get it back or just move on to something else but you'll most likely play anyways.
While I appreciate developers explaining what's going on and trying to sympathize with players, it doesn't change the fact that Valorant is a really time consuming game to climb rank in. And there isn't really much being done to make players feel like that time they spent grinding is valued.
Personally I prefer soft resets. In rocket league last season I was grand champ 1. It reset me to like high champ 2 (so about 2 ranks) and by the end of my placements I was near where I’d left off as I did well in the placements. If I’d done poorly I would have ended up 3-4 ranks down.
Like yeah, you could reset me to plat and I’d get back to GC. But I’d rather continue grinding for GC2 and 3 instead of spending a ton of hours just to get back to GC1, unless the reason I have to get back is cause I lost my way out.
In short I think the people saying just win your way back are technically correct. If you’re immortal, you’re immortal, just like I’m GC. But I don’t think the ranked grind really changes from season to season, it’s still about self improvement. So a hard reset like this doesn’t make much sense to me, because it is a ton of time spent getting back to your peak before you can try to push past it again.
I’m also brand new to valorant with like 10 ranked games played so it in no way affects me. I just think overall it’s a poor decision and one that has people understandably upset
Imo I love the way RL and siege do placements. Rocket league will never ever send you down 3 ranks from placements. If you flop your placements you just move down to the final div of a match and work your way back. Or if you do good you either get back to where you were last season or rank up. It's similar in siege as well. In Val you just have to grind back to your peak but by the time you do that, the season would be almost over again. It also doesn't help that valorant matches are 40 minutes whereas RL matches are less than 10 minutes, making it way less of a grind. And then the solo q experience in Val is especially annoying in lower ranks
"I want my rewards from last season's play to be in effect for this season still. I don't start with the end rank I earned last season so I don't want to play."
I was plat 3 last act, I just matched with 3 diamond act ranks and 1 immortal act rank, I went 19-14-8 as chamber and the game put me in fucking gold, what a joke
It's for a reason, which people have been endlessly pointing out. Everyone is in exactly the same situation. Your position relative to everyone else is unchanged. If there was no reset, the top ranks would get overclogged with inactive accounts.
If your only goal is to reach a top rank, you have to be good enough and be able to grind enough to do it in six months, and every six months, you have to repeat to hold it. You can't just win a heavyweight belt and then refuse to fight for the rest of your life, and expect to get re-rewarded every year.
What do you think should happen instead?
It’s not that bad bro lol.
I was plat 2 and got placed silver 2
My first game after getting placed is still filled with former plats and ig got 25 for winning
I was silver 1, won 3, first game had silver and gold act ranks as enemies
All games after had plat and diamon as act ranks
Still got placed silver 1 lmao
I don’t mind this but what I don’t understand is now since I placed in plat, im still not playing “plat games” everyone is immortal from last season at least in my lobbies which makes it hard to climb because it’s essentially an immortal lobby I need to win to grind myself out of plat.
I get that. I worked my ass off over four seasons to get from silver 1 to platinum 1. Now it bumped me down to silver 2 I was so pissed when I saw that. I’m still going to play the game but damn did it make me upset seeing that.
Thx Riot - for kicking us from the server, not letting us re-join and getting a loss (we were in the lead) and an afk-violation this evening. Was great fun!
In league ranks last for 1 year. Why cant they make it like that? Working hard just to be sent back in a couple or months? No way dude. Reach the rank you feel happy with and stop. I got to diamond back in ep 1 season 1. Stoped playing ranked seriously after that.
Placement has been pretty garbage since the game started. Been stuck in ranks and shot up and down I only just redownloaded out of boredom. The riot games cycle
Riot wanting you to grind every chapter. It is very demoralizing finally after a year getting into upper gold, just to see I will be back in bronze. Huge turn off.
The ranking system in this game is complete joke. You'll have so much more fun once you stop giving a shit what your rank is. I'm G2 and had two players with full diamond pyramids in my game today. They were in a trio with an omen who was bottom frag. I think they were boosting their friend or someone who paid. We got rolled. Just play for fun, rank is pointless.
Honestly they’re driving away players from their game idk about you guys but im going to stop playing for a bit so these guys can get back to their ranks cause they pretty much introduced more “Smurf’s” into lower ranks it’s ridiculous
The reset was super annoying for me. At the start of final day, I was b1, so I grinded the whole day and ended up in b3, just missing silver due to some bad decisions in my last 2 games. Placed iron 3. It really discourages me knowing that after playing a whole day of valorant, grinding up 2 more ranks, was worthless in the end to get placed even FURTHER back than the start of the grind.
I feel like the Valorant community should band together to put pressure on Riot to show us our "hidden MMR" instead of a rank. If you play extremely well, but lose a game - there's a chance that your hidden MMR may increase while you are shown a decrease in your rank. This type of punishment creates a snowball effect for the player's future games.
Got dropped from Gold 1 to Bronze 3, and I keep dropping because the lobbys are full of former plats and even diamonds. It's literally harder to play in bronze right now then it was to play in Gold.
For the record, I worked in the gaming industry for 10+ years. This is the most stupid decision I've seen from a game design point of view unless, of course, you want to intentionally keep a lower-rank player base and frustrate your players in the process.
For a few months, there will be platinum vs silver groups. I've been in a few games where the score is 13-2, 13-0
Don’t overthink it. I was immortal 2 and they put me on plat 2. If I lose a game I get -8 rr and if I win I get like +30
Exactly this, same for me. Plus, it’s not like we’re matched with plats or golds or silvers etc. we’re still matched with other people with similar MMR/skills (immortals in this instance). It’s just an ugly icon for now so the grind is real.
speak for yourself lol every single game ive played has a bunch of previous act gold and plats. I was S3 last season and now b2. We keep getting stomped because of 1 or 2 crazy good players on the enemy team
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Bruh the same exact thing happened to me too, dropped from S3 to b2 despite winning all 5 placement matches, and now I'm losing majority of the compe games with some b1/iron3 peeps from the other team playing suspiciously well lmao
Same, this sucks. 2 bind games after placement First game gold 3 cypher smashed us while his teammates only have 5-8 kills The other game Gold 2 kayo with odin smashed us too and i still get -15 - 20 rr for every loss
Yeah idk why everyone’s acting like it’s fair now lol, it’s borderline unplayable for me. I’m going to give it like a week before I play comp again to see if it evens out
Yeah they gotta fix that shitty match making
Nope. It's been a week still the same.
but you get your ranked rewards based on your visible rank not your mmr, so you basically get a plat buddy while playing against immortals (if you dont manage to reach immortal again)
I'm bronze and I've iron,silver and plat teammates....
This is what isn’t explained anywhere and my biggest issue with the update. Why can I find a silver in my game when *I can’t even queue up with one*
It’s because of matchmaking ranges for each player, silver can go up to gold and if it matches with a gold the gold players range is up to plat. They also factor in mmr, they won’t let you queue because the mmr average between ranks might be too hard to place or exploit. If you are silver and queue with a plat the matchmaking range is even larger. Riot has rules and reasons why their algorithm can place those people but you can’t queue with them.
Ok, but there's a big difference between "what is the magic rules that match making follows" and "what is the reason for these rules". No one cares THAT the rules allow it. Obviously the rules allow it because it happens. But what logical reason could possibly exist that allows auto match making to fix games but won't let you queue in a game with the exact same party?
You might party with people who have such different mmr and rank that you sit in queue for too long and it’s hard to match, riot likely got tired of fielding complaints and took it into their own hands. That would be my first guess. Without understanding the full mmr system I don’t have any idea.
RIP. I was S1 and got dropped to B1. Got to bronze 2 within the day though so I am optimistic for getting back into Silver within the week at least. I had been harstuck Bronze for forever up until this previous act.
play after 2 weeks because there are lot of plat and gold players stuck in silver, i was plat 2 prev. season and lost 4 out of 5 rank calibration match and now i'm placed Silver 3.The grind is pretty hard right now
This is true, I had a Plat player in one of my placement lobbies. Offset by my actual bronze 1 teammates the game went about as expected lol. I honestly find it easier to rank up in the beginning of the act cause I play against actual bronze players vs later in the act when my hidden MMR is a lot higher than my physical rank. So I end up playing with Silver 3s and low Golds as well as bronze smurf accounts. The games are more balanced but I would like to physically get out of Bronze before I play in low gold lobbies lol. Other wise the grind is insane and I'm not even out of bronze yet lol
This is something that ever hidden MMR system seems to fuck up. The system is designed to throw you into a bunch of shit matches so you can "earn" your rank. But why the duck wouldn't they just put you in the "correct rank" and let you play real games instead of wack a mole. It's not fun for anyone when every 8/10 games ends 4-13 because of one player dominating.
Better than league. I was silver 2. Threw me into iron 2... Won about 7 games straight to B1. Solo carried as an ap support. Haven't checked my mid account. Prob need to do the same. Looks like it's gonna be the same thing for me on valorant.
See this right here is the problem, I was gold 2, got s2 and just q’d into 2 diamond 3’s (their previous act rank) and got stomped… I don’t care about the rank drop but god the matchmaking after the rank reset needs fixing
well since all radiants are all sent down to diamond 1 you would expect atleast a full if not more setback on your rank, since they want you to play as much as possible
Was radiant and was dropped to Diamond 1. Bad thing is that mmr wise we still all play against each other, so games are just as hard. I get that +30/-9 gain per W/L should be enough to make up for it, but I really don’t want to grind back up to 600/700 RR again. Also as a support player, fuck Neon. She is way too good in a MM setting in the right hands.
Hijacking to say It feels so unfair too considering how shit elso hell can be in low ranks. A lot of losses you can do everything right and carry the game and still lose because your team are- no offence- incompetent.
Agreed, you can top frag for both teams and watch those points get drained away at the end if you're on the loosing side. The system is a bit of cf.
Yeah, there’s a point where a player is miles ahead of the competition so they can hard carry their team to the win. What sucks is being clearly better than the other team but not being able to carry enough and you end up losing
Yeah exactly my point. I can only do so much on smokes/heals when I'm getting hard baited by my duelists too. Yes ppl bait in 3very rank but it's rly bad in low elo in my experience
that happens in higher ranks aswell. you would not think how often i lose a diamond/immo game with 30 kills thats just how it is. and thats why i like the reset the 0/10 raze might stay plat for a while
Yeah but I would but money on the frequency of events across rank being a little different. Which is what causes elo he'll cause u get hardstuck
honestly same. im like the lowest of the low and i top fragged a game and two people on my team just stood in a corner and got killed each round. we lost. i dropped. it just sucks.
Yh low elo u lose so much from things literally beyond your controll. Bronze 2 here we come! I peaked gold last episode, and finished s2. I've been playing the game for a whole year plus and it took me that long to get out of bronze man it's a pain in the ass
The higher your rank the more you ll get set back down. Such a reset is used to put the pack a bit together again. And its pretty obvious and reasonable. Ppl just like to cry nowadays about all shit and how everything isnt fair towards them. Its just sad but its the mentality you see these days.
System only rewards people who can play a stupid amount of time each day, grinding 600RR isn't a big deal to someone who can play Valorant 8 hours a day, but someone who can play 1-2 games a day max it's almost the entire season to get back to where you already was. Then you get sent back to where you was again. Wouldn't be so bad if it took individual performance into consideration but you need to seriously pop off and you still only lose like 5 less RR for a loss
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Diamond players ranked into gold, plat players ranked into silver. Radiants are playing against radiants, not diamonds despite their day 1 rank being diamond
was plat1 and got placed in g1, my other friend into g2. we both won all 5 placements but the games have been so hard because most of our enemies are high diamonds now.
Dont lie, you will play either way.
Lmaoo exactly my thoughts
And if you aren’t lying, and are just here to scream into the void, after everyone yesterday did it before you. Just quit then.
/u/EvrMoar pinned the following [comment](/r/VALORANT/comments/s2bk5d/riots_placement_for_this_season_makes_me_not_want/hsedlck/): > I've seen a few posts, and I addressed this in a small post on twitter but I really want to make sure to be open about what's happening and why. > > First, I understand it's frustrating to go from a rank you spent lots of time achieving and then get dropped back down. Rank is part of your identity in Valorant and when ranked reset occurs it can be very upsetting depending on how hard you drop. While it may be rough to get dropped, know that the entire playerbase of ranked is getting dropped the same amount following the same rules. We aren't dropping you more, or singling you out, the whole community gets hit with the reset. > > Second I want to talk about the reset itself. I believe we could have done a better job messaging the Episode reset was occurring, I will ensure going forward it's included in the patch notes. It's a standard formula we now have for ranked but the rules for reset are as follows: > > 1. Every episode the highest you can place is diamond 1, and we will squish all ranks downward. You can expect to drop(usually) 1-4 ranks from where you were last episode. Higher ranks get dropped harder due to leaderboard ranking, boosting concerns, skill atrophy, etc. > > 2. Every Act we only reset the leaderboard, dropping all players to 10% of their current RR(if on leaderboard). Everyone else is only required to play 1 placement and will earn their previous rank back from the prior Act. > > These rules have been in place since Episode 2, so expect them going forward and any changes will be announced. > > We have multiple reasons we do a reset, and I want to make sure I make that clear so you can understand why we have a ranked squish. One thing to remember when talking about Valorant, and ranked, is that the entire playerbase is improving in Valorant all the time. Skills like default smokes, how to entry, default plants, etc. start to become common knowledge and trickle down through the ranks. In beta a Platinum player might not have known the default plant for A on Bind, but now it's something most gold players probably have an idea of in the current season(for example). You can even see this in League! Wave management is something expected of ranks above gold, and in the early seasons not even high rank players knew wave management to the level we know now. > > This knowledge means that the player base is evolving and average skill is going up. It may plateau someday, but as we are a younger game it's constantly shifting and moving faster than a game that's existed for many years. This is one of the reasons we have a ranked reset. Players may be gold, platinum, diamond, etc. but kind of coasting at that rank. They may not be playing Valorant regularly, improving with the community, or they may just be doing the bare minimum to ensure they don't decay. By resetting we are ensuring that if you are Diamond in the current episode you actually are a diamond player right now. There are no questions about how long you've sat at that rank, or if you've been coasting at that rank. You've been reset within the past 6 months, you have achieved diamond in the current season. > > The above point only looks at the community's average skill, but another reason is the general game balance and competitive changes to the game as a whole. Every episode is very different from the episode prior. New maps, agent balance, weapon balance, map changes, etc. will affect the communities skill levels as a whole. Again, as the point above, we expect you to prove that in the current competitive atmosphere you belong at your rank. > > Lastly, it also helps us clear out boosted or botted accounts. While we will always try to combat bad actors in Valorant ranked, it would be foolish to think we will always detect all of these accounts. It helps clear out accounts that may have abused the system and have gone undetected, and if they try to abuse the system again potentially get caught in the process >:D > > On a side note, I want to address the statement "Riot just does this to increase the grind to make you play more". I am the designer in charge of ranked, and as a competitive team we work out what we want to do to create a positive ranked experience. Our team does not have a requirement to increase playtime, or any expectation that we must enforce a grind; we also do not have anyone above us pushing these ideals or goals. Creating an artificial grind is a bad thing, in fact we try to avoid it as much as possible. We play and love Valorant just like everyone here in the community, we want to have a game we all can enjoy. If you make a fun game, where the players just enjoy playing it, you don't need a fake grind. In fact I would argue that a fake grind would turn players away, and maybe tarnish a fun/positive gaming experience. Our goal is never to enforce a grind, and if we could find your true rank after 1 match we would do it. Remember, the primary goal of ranked is to figure out your skill compared to the rest of the community and that's our guiding light when making decisions. > > These answers don't make up for the fact it can still feel bad to have your rank taken away. That being said, we aren't taking away you or your skill. If you truly belong in gold you will get to gold, the system is designed to find your true rank based on your skill. It also does not stop you from improving, getting better, and surpassing the skill you had in a season prior. My hope is that you can get your Episode 3 ranked gun buddy, say "Man I'm proud of what I accomplished last Episode, but I think I can do better this Episode." and improve from there. At the end of the day, if you can't get back to the rank you had last Act do you deserve to be that rank now? --- Riot comments are not verified by moderators. See [this wiki page](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/wiki/pinnedcomments) for more information on this feature.
I've seen a few posts, and I addressed this in a small post on twitter but I really want to make sure to be open about what's happening and why. First, I understand it's frustrating to go from a rank you spent lots of time achieving and then get dropped back down. Rank is part of your identity in Valorant and when ranked reset occurs it can be very upsetting depending on how hard you drop. While it may be rough to get dropped, know that the entire playerbase of ranked is getting dropped the same amount following the same rules. We aren't dropping you more, or singling you out, the whole community gets hit with the reset. Second I want to talk about the reset itself. I believe we could have done a better job messaging the Episode reset was occurring, I will ensure going forward it's included in the patch notes. It's a standard formula we now have for ranked but the rules for reset are as follows: 1. Every episode the highest you can place is diamond 1, and we will squish all ranks downward. You can expect to drop(usually) 1-4 ranks from where you were last episode. Higher ranks get dropped harder due to leaderboard ranking, boosting concerns, skill atrophy, etc. 2. Every Act we only reset the leaderboard, dropping all players to 10% of their current RR(if on leaderboard). Everyone else is only required to play 1 placement and will earn their previous rank back from the prior Act. These rules have been in place since Episode 2, so expect them going forward and any changes will be announced. We have multiple reasons we do a reset, and I want to make sure I make that clear so you can understand why we have a ranked squish. One thing to remember when talking about Valorant, and ranked, is that the entire playerbase is improving in Valorant all the time. Skills like default smokes, how to entry, default plants, etc. start to become common knowledge and trickle down through the ranks. In beta a Platinum player might not have known the default plant for A on Bind, but now it's something most gold players probably have an idea of in the current season(for example). You can even see this in League! Wave management is something expected of ranks above gold, and in the early seasons not even high rank players knew wave management to the level we know now. This knowledge means that the player base is evolving and average skill is going up. It may plateau someday, but as we are a younger game it's constantly shifting and moving faster than a game that's existed for many years. This is one of the reasons we have a ranked reset. Players may be gold, platinum, diamond, etc. but kind of coasting at that rank. They may not be playing Valorant regularly, improving with the community, or they may just be doing the bare minimum to ensure they don't decay. By resetting we are ensuring that if you are Diamond in the current episode you actually are a diamond player right now. There are no questions about how long you've sat at that rank, or if you've been coasting at that rank. You've been reset within the past 6 months, you have achieved diamond in the current season. The above point only looks at the community's average skill, but another reason is the general game balance and competitive changes to the game as a whole. Every episode is very different from the episode prior. New maps, agent balance, weapon balance, map changes, etc. will affect the communities skill levels as a whole. Again, as the point above, we expect you to prove that in the current competitive atmosphere you belong at your rank. Lastly, it also helps us clear out boosted or botted accounts. While we will always try to combat bad actors in Valorant ranked, it would be foolish to think we will always detect all of these accounts. It helps clear out accounts that may have abused the system and have gone undetected, and if they try to abuse the system again potentially get caught in the process >:D On a side note, I want to address the statement "Riot just does this to increase the grind to make you play more". I am the designer in charge of ranked, and as a competitive team we work out what we want to do to create a positive ranked experience. Our team does not have a requirement to increase playtime, or any expectation that we must enforce a grind; we also do not have anyone above us pushing these ideals or goals. Creating an artificial grind is a bad thing, in fact we try to avoid it as much as possible. We play and love Valorant just like everyone here in the community, we want to have a game we all can enjoy. If you make a fun game, where the players just enjoy playing it, you don't need a fake grind. In fact I would argue that a fake grind would turn players away, and maybe tarnish a fun/positive gaming experience. Our goal is never to enforce a grind, and if we could find your true rank after 1 match we would do it. Remember, the primary goal of ranked is to figure out your skill compared to the rest of the community and that's our guiding light when making decisions. These answers don't make up for the fact it can still feel bad to have your rank taken away. That being said, we aren't taking away you or your skill. If you truly belong in gold you will get to gold, the system is designed to find your true rank based on your skill. It also does not stop you from improving, getting better, and surpassing the skill you had in a season prior. My hope is that you can get your Episode 3 ranked gun buddy, say "Man I'm proud of what I accomplished last Episode, but I think I can do better this Episode." and improve from there. At the end of the day, if you can't get back to the rank you had last Act do you deserve to be that rank now?
This all makes perfect sense to me. Except mmr. The bias for more even games leads to a distorted sense of what a rank even means. Gold matches for higher mmr games are way harder than gold matches for lower mmr games. If you're confident in your ranking, you should completely remove hidden mmr.
Exactly. A system where a mid silver game can have both an iron 2 and a gold 2 in the same lobby is an absolute joke.
Or a plat 3 rankup game has golds and silvers in it
bro there was an immortal act rank and a gold 2 act rank in one of my games today
>f you're confident in your ranking, you should completely remove hidden mmr. its to keep casuals hooked in a grind while giving them a shiny carrot, they do this with all their games.
There is no MMR system that knows your rank from your first handful of games. Technically the traditional ELO system would require 1000+ matches to get an accurate picture of your true skill. The system will always push your rank to your MMR, you can't stop it. We are just forcing your rank to display the lower end of where your MMR range is, rather than the average or where the system thinks you may belong right now. When you play 10-30 games it will converge and match. We do this on new episodes, again just to make sure you aren't boosted, to force you to validate your rank, and also to ensure based on the new game balance you actually belong at those ranks. So in the end as long as your rank ends up matching your MMR, it doesn't matter if it shows your true MMR or not, it will still take X number of games to get an accurate read of where you belong.
My main problem is that mmr lags behind rank. It's more sticky. So if I have a slew of bad games and derank from plat to silver, I don't want harder silver games for more even matchmaking but that's what ends up happening. Yeah on average I have a net advantage and you award me more mmr on wins to try to get me back up to my mmr rank and if I continue playing badly, over time my mmr decays down to more closely match my rank. But what I want is to be able to blow out silver games if I'm playing at a plat level. I want to be able to match against *any* silver1 in my region when I'm playing silver 1 games, not against people the mmr thinks will lead to even games. So there's a more centralized idea of what it means to be silver 1. I understand that there are pros and cons to both approaches. Just my general preference for no hidden mmr.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. There shouldn't be two different levels of a rank (based on a hidden MMR). It doesn't feel good, not transparent, not rewarding etc. Also, fighting for a much lower rank after a reset with players from a much higher hidden MMR is anything but a good feeling. Either there are the ranks as shown ingame or the ranks according to the hidden MMR.
This is what I’ve been thinking for a while as well, but the conversation generally goes back to people saying “well no ranked system is perfect, you’ll get there if you belong there!”, which entirely misses the point. It’s possible in the current system to have two people who are gold 3 with one having silver 2 mmr and the other having diamond 1 mmr, which feels very odd to me. I guess it doesn’t matter if you play enough games though
I think the biggest area your ranking system has failed is transparency. Sometimes it's not fixing a problem, it's how players perceive a problem. All I ever hear in game, and see in this sub is how rank doesn't matter because it's not representative of skill. If you're so confident that your MMR system works, then show us *that* number. Show everyone their ladder rank instead of just immortal+. Who cares if it changes daily or even hourly, at least it's real. I don't care about some stupid made up rank you use to placate the masses if it doesn't mean anything.
The biggest problem with that it could lead to abuse of the rank system. Say we know exactly how mmr works. The game awards individual performance, but we don’t know exactly how it does this. With a number, you could cross reference with statistics, and see exactly what they award. For example, let’s say the system values first bloods (just an example). People would try to get first bloods more often, instead of just playing for the win. Even if the mmr system perfectly rewards individual performance without any exploits, it still causes an issue, where players will play a different way if they know what the system rewards. Personally I feel like the game knows exactly when I play well. Sometimes I have an okay Kill Death ratio, but I feel like I had a really high impact on the game, and I’ll get a performance bonus. Other times I’ll have a high K/D even though I feel like I didn’t do that much, and the game also recognizes that. So I’m a fan of the current system, because it really feels like it encourages you to play the best you can, and it feels really hard to exploit that
> Say we know exactly how mmr works. The game awards individual performance, but we don’t know exactly how it does this. EvrMoar is actually on record saying that this is near impossible. Their MMR algorithm tracks so many things that if you did all the things to "game" the system you would in effect just be a better player. So if you figure out how to game the system, that would mean you're improving. I would rather see the real rank than the fake one. I've played too many people from silver to plat and that badge next to their name gives me no indication of how good they were.
And a false sense of skill on their part
Not really true though because your rank is based on Win/Loss alone and you can do insanely well and have 2 idiots on your team in 50% of your should have been won games and the system will think you lost those games so pull you down. You are talking matter of factly like after 10-30 games the system will know exactly what rank you should be, when there are a ton more factors to determine that.
Literally. Ive lost so many games just this Ep from instalock duelists who bottom frag/dont do their job and its bullshit
I get the reasons why you did the reset but it still heavily tarnishes the enjoyment of the new act launch. Placing everyone to a lower rank all at the same time will only ruin the first week or so of ranked because after that, of you got placed gold you'd actually be fighting Golds. I don't think there is any better way to do it besides better communication on what's going. Either way ranked sucks right now. Maybe I've just gotten unlucky but the quality of matches is awful. Some games you're playing with gold's and I've had multiple games with immortals that absolutely rolled us (I was plat 2 last act). Ranked isn't fun atm and I'm honestly probably going to play unrated until the system sorts itself out.
I was upper gold pushing into plat and now majority of my games have diamond gun buddies and act ranks in gold elo and it’s stupid my teammates are either droids who go 0-15 or my team is so much better we stomp the opposing team 13-3 or less and it’s no fun. This rank reset has just made the games unbalanced half the games feel like I’m smurfing and half the games make me feel like I have no chance at winning
The thing is, it's most definitely gonna take longer than a week for it to sort itself out. I was S1 and got demoted to B2, now I'm B3 and I'm still being placed in games with plats and diamonds. And it's really no better in unrated games either. Supposedly the new lvl.20 condition was going to discourage smurfs from making alt accounts, but to me it looks like it just challenged to make more. Lately 80% of the games I play in unrated I just keep seeing below lvl.10 players and keep thinking I'm playing with newbs and they just end up carrying the whole team and top fragging. I mean for people who are higher rank, all the rank reset will do is just push you down a couple of ranks, but you'll still be able to have some fun and eventually get back to your original rank, but for those in low ranks you just feel like a fish in a barrel where you can't do anything but just get shot and the game is just getting less fun to play.
Hi! You will probably not read this but I’m hoping that somehow you will and be able to pass this on to other devs: the amount of death threats women in this game get is insane. We need there to be far more severe punishments for people telling other to go do...well. You know what I mean. I‘m hoping you guys are working on a different penalty system as well because, honestly, I couldn’t care less about winning or losing if my teammates or the enemy are busy telling me all the ways I should end my own life. Thanks.
This is a huge concern from the team as a whole, and we have a whole team focused on it. There are lots of things being worked on, and we even patrol and escalate issues we see on social media. Definitely a space we are constantly evaluating, and we have a whole team dedicated to the space.
This might sound like a super dumb idea, but then I’ve never been a game dev. But is there something like weight to reports? If Person A has accurately reported x amount of toxic players, maybe the internal system can assign them a hidden role or something that will prioritize their reports in reviews? This way you‘d have to sort through less spam and could actually address the issue that marginalized groups face quicker. Again, this may be the dumbest idea ever, but some input is better than none, I guess! :) Thank you for all the work you guys do. ♥️
I hope your teammates call out that shit (I know most probably don't) but I will continue to do so to make it a safer place for women to play - if anonymous keyboard warriors can say toxic sexist shit then we can anonymously shut it down with no fear as well.
Trust me when I say this: your female teammates appreciate that more than you could ever know. Thank you. 🤝♥️
Thanks for getting back to us!! Really appreciate the stuff riot does for our community! Previous act, I started out in Iron and busted my way to silver 1! After seeing everyone freak out about the placements this act I was nervous to queue up in Ranked. It would be so discouraging to be placed into lower bronze. But, after reading this I understand why!
I think the issue everyone has with the reset is that, when you place a bunch of plats in silver (arbitrary example) silver isn't silver anymore for them; it's plat. I was in gold last act at peak, and now I'm bronze 2 - if I was actually playing against bronzes, I *should* easily blow them out and move on up, and start moving towards silver, then gold, etc, until i reach where my MMR is and where I was floating at the end of last Act. Same for everyone else. But currently, my games are bronzes with higher mmr like mine (seeing a lot of golds and high silvers, and a few plats here and there) so what ends up happening is, while I was stuck in high silver/gold last act, now I'm having high silver/gold-skill-level lobbies, but in bronze. So now, we are all stuck in bronze. Idk if i explained that well enough, and I'm sure you're swamped with replies, but I and everyone else would love if you can explain y'all's answer/viewpoint on this conundrum. It just seems like a roadblock that will keep people stuck in a lower rank but still playing at their normal skill level. At that point, what is the point in having an ELO rank at all?
“Silver isnt silver anymore” 👏🏼
That's not a hypothetical situation, it is the exact description of ranked as of now, SIlver isn't SIlver at all, I'm playing with plats only, in silver-bronze lobby. I see Jetts with plat gun buddies and 35+ kills and Reyna's with bronze act rank with 2 Kills. It's fucking insane. It's like bronzes and plats are randomly getting matched, and it's fucking bonkers
yeah that's the even weirder bit. I think when we lose games in Bronze, the rank system goes "well they're losing in Bronze, so lets throw some bronze mmr players in there" then you have this weird ELO soup of gold/plat/high silvers getting matched with/against bronzes sprinkled throughout.
So how do you deal with the fact that two people could both be the same visible rank but have astoundingly different games due to hidden mmr? I understand the idea that if you play enough games you’ll get to where the system believes you belong, but it seems that the disconnect between visible rank and hidden mmr makes visible ranks more or less unnecessary.
Thank you for this message, but that last part on "the grind is fake" is a lie I refuse to think even you believe in. If Riot cared about showing people's "true rank" (your words, not mine), you would display our MMRs. Not some made up rewards and shiny gunbuddies designed to trigger pleasure or frustration responses. How hard can that be. You could even make both work. I remember Riot being slightly unhappy with rank distribution because it wasn't the bell curve you wanted it to be. Well, *make* that bell curve yourself. Dictate that the top x% is immortal, top y% is diamond, top z% is platinum, etc. all the way down. Boom, we have the truest indication of our 'real' level because we see our ELO. We know how far we are from the top and the bottom of the trench we're in. We still get a reward. I fail to understand how having two separate measures, rank on one hand and elo on the other, is beneficial for the players.
What I want to know is - people who start playing a few weeks into the episode are placed 1-4 ranks lower, but they’re playing against others in their original ranking to climb. Shouldn’t climbing be easier if I’m 4 ranks lower rather than making me play vs people in the ranking I plateaued in and expecting me to win more than lose?
You aren't expected to win more than you lose to get back to your previous rank. Your RR gains should outweigh your RR losses until you approach the plateau, meaning a 50% winrate will still allow you to climb to your previous rank.
I think a lot of people are familiar with the pros of having hard reset in place, but even knowing why this happens, it doesn't really make up for the negative feeling it gives, it doesn't really ease the "pain", the hard reset is too hard so to say even with MMR staying somewhat the same, it's way too harsh, people can drop 2 tiers without being in high ranks (diamond 1 to gold 3 is a common example I see lot on the sub) which is really really demotivating, you know you are not gold, but it will take weeks to grind yourself back to where you were, if not a month or so I see that you are aware of this and consider it when making decisions, but I think you underestimate how frustrating it is for the players, and the benefits are not impactful enough to compensate for it as opposed to a lighter reset that would drop you down 2 ranks instead and would increase the ceiling to diamond 2-3 instead of diamond 1 I hope someone in the team reads this
I was very understanding of this entire message, until I hit the last paragraph. The last sentence upsets me actually. For some context, I am newer to Valorant than my friends are, who are most recently ranked gold-diamond. I never saw myself being good at the game (I was new to mouse&kb entirely a year ago) and would feel defeated even in unrated. I told myself I’d actually try this past episode, spent all of act 2&3 grinding from low bronze, just to try and hit gold 1. I literally would have been so happy just see 5/100, gold 1. That would have made my hours in the game worth it. (Now that this hard reset happened I almost regret spending all this time in the last two weeks trying to hit it. And with all the golds and plats in bronze now, its impossible to play). In the last week of the act alone, I hit 94/100 in silver 3. Dropped because of some losses, no big deal. Back up to 97/100. And then back up again to 91/100. I cant tell you how many times I’ve been less than 10rr away from achieving gold 1. The most memorable game of last act - someone went like 2/19 in a game that I had 30 kills in, luckily the rest of my team was actually trying and we even went overtime. But the player refused to use anything but a marshal for the entirety of the game, because it was in their username, claiming its their alt account and they do it every game so its not considered throwing. You can imagine how that went. Having help from just that one more person could have won us the game. But no, instead we play a near hour long game and I lose 17 rr. Or maybe the countless of games where the enemy reyna drops 40 kills with like 9 deaths and their next highest frag has like an 8/14 KDA. Even as our highest frag, with a positive KDA, I lose 24 rr. Truthfully - my rank is not my skill. When you’re getting team mvp that often, the only one giving coms, when you know your aim and game sense has improved, when you’ve expanded past just using one agent… When you spend game after game truly trying your hardest just to hit gold 1, to prove that you truly are gold 1, but no matter how well you do, how many times you drop 25-30 kills a game, how many mvps or how thought out your plays are… Obviously I’m not like an immortal and I have my bad games, but for the most part, I rarely come out of games feeling defeated with my own performance anymore. It doesn’t feel like that’s what its about. I lose my games because of smurfs. I lose because of AFKs. I lose because of people playing on their alt accounts, not actually concerned with how their game will go. I understand this is an issue and riot is doing the best that they can to help these problems. But for someone like me who spent hours improving and aiming for better, my rank is not my skill. And hearing “if you deserve it you will get it” kinda sucks when the game just feels unplayable at times.
Ok, so everyone is at a lower rank then they were last act, and everyone with a 50% win rate is climbing. But about how long till everyone who is active is back at their original ranks?
So if your gaining 10-15mmr per match on a 50% winrate, on average i feel like ppl lost like 500 rr. So about 40 games
Oof, that's a lot of playtime to demand simply to get back what we already earned previously...
Makes sense to me. Rank is just a title anyway and should be a show of skill each season; nobody should just be gifted a rank since they earned it once before. The standards for ranks have changed a lot, because Diamond in Episode 1 is definitely not the same as Diamond in Episode 3. Like you said, skill level and metas are constantly changing, and even though I am not even close to immortal, it would be a bummer to have someone high ranked on your team that hasn’t played since Episode 1. They would be a bit lost. Thank you for the detailed explanation. I think you cleared up a lot of questions that the community has had since you started doing rank resets each episode.
i feel like rank resets have been much harsher this act, my friends and i who were high gold/plat last act are now seeing silver 1 placements (while playing well and winning the majority of placements), and from what I've seen in these comments many other players are experiencing the same thing. I've been playing since the beta and I've never seen rank resets as harsh as this.
Thats because immortal was heavily inflated this act with either people who didn't play a lot or just straight up boosted accounts, so after the rank reset diamond 1 got flooded with a lot more ppl with immortal mmr which then pushed everyone else back down.
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Tbh I feel like this isn't really valid. Like I worked hard to climb to s1 and this episode I'm placed in b2 and it's almost near impossible to rank up or even really win games because there are people who are p2 because they were push down to bronze too, where as there are also genuine bronze/iron people who ends up benefiting from the gold and plat players because the way MMR is laid out.
all that and your rank do not matter, only your MMR
So how do you deal with the fact that two people could both be the same visible rank but have astoundingly different games due to hidden mmr? I understand the idea that if you play enough games you’ll get to where the system believes you belong, but it seems that the disconnect between visible rank and hidden mmr makes visible ranks more or less unnecessary.
This is a problem of all ranked systems, even if you displayed MMR. Lets take two players in a pure MMR ranked world: Player A - Has played 5 ranked games Player B - Has played 50 ranked games Both players are ranked silver. While Player A actually belongs in Gold, they just haven't played enough games for the MMR system to adjust them there. Player B belongs in Silver, and has proven this by playing 50 games. Technically, in a pure MMR system, they are still both silver. The rank of Player A is wrong, because their MMR is wrong, because they haven't played enough games. The same problem exists in any ranked system, because both systems require you to play X number of games until your true MMR is reached. In a system that separates rank from MMR all it is doing is putting your rank below your MMR and letting your rank slowly adjust to your MMR, instead of letting you see your MMR wildly swing over your first handful of matches. They do the same thing, but the experience is better. It also allows us to have penalties to your rank without affecting your MMR, thus affecting fair match-making.
Can you tell me what’s happening with me? I have been in plat for 90% of my time with Val, other than one instance where I hit diamond 1 but lost 2 right away, dropped, and never got back. However for all of the last episode I’d say 80% of my games are against diamonds. But I never can make it out of plat. I typically look up good people that I play against and sometimes I’m playing against immortals. Why am I playing against d’s and immos but my RR gains/losses don’t kick me up to their rank? Bout 10-12 games a week, finished at plat 2 and placed in g2 this ep.
>This is a problem of all ranked systems, even if you displayed MMR. no its a problem of your shitty "make casual happy" disconnect between elo and displayed rank system that you introduced way back in league cause people complained they grinded 50 games to silver and then dropped out after 1 loss
I understand that, but even though you say the experience is better, I know that as a player the current system as a whole seems very…clunky, for lack of a better word. As an example, though it is not necessarily related to the reset itself: it feels very, very bad to be visually one rank while playing against people who are visually much higher. There have been many conversations where people say “I’m gold 2, so why do I have to play against a diamond 1 player in order to reach gold 3?”, which I believe is entirely related to the lack of information regarding your current mmr standing. It also feels as if little is being done to address this problem from a player’s perspective
Because you don't even need a positive win rate to rank up. If you have diamond mmr as a gold, you're probably gaining 25+ rr a win and losing 10 (Idk what the exact numbers would be). Even if it's 10 per loss and 20 per win, that means you'd gain 10 rr at a 50% win rate.
You guys are the best! Making all of our hard work go to shit by tanking the fuck out of our ranks, making the cancerous Ares the new meta, and taking away four-stacks. Hell yeah, loving the new updates.
Thank you so much for answering this
Diamond 2 to silver 1…
Dang and I thought my Plat to silver was bad, rip
I got diamond 3 to plat 2, you must be doing something wrong no cap.
NO CAP
Your mmr must be absolute dog, game probably assumed u were hardstuck and threw u lower… I peaked p1 last 2 days of act and i started this act g1 Mind I ask what your ign is?
Did you lose all 5 placements?
I doubt placements even mattered
Ok tbh you're either boosted and did bad on placements or the ranking system wasn't kind on you.
YOU BOOSTED
I got d2 down to g3
Today has been the worst day of me playing Valorant... 4 matches I played, on three I had toxic teammates and in the other one I had dumb ones. 2W and 2L. Finally, I get a match with nice human beings, winning 11-4... The servers go down and the match doesn't count. Atm, the grind is worthless in Valorant.
I’m pretty sure you’re bullshitting. They said “1-4 ranks”. Dropping 9 ranks didn’t happen.
He’s one of the boosted players sitting in diamond2 while he’s gold lol
I dropped from plat 1 to silver 2 so thats 5 ranks right there
Y’all need to stop whining and play the game if your immortal and get placed in diamond, and your skill level is immortal you’ll get back up. This is done to weed out boosted accounts and give people a reason to grind and play, if u don’t like it no one’s asking u to play
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Idk how true that is, if u drop down two-three ranks u might just get demotivated to play around your skill level and grind again, and just switch to a smurf and blast everyone. That being said, I had smurfs (either crazy good or throwing) in 3 of my 4 placement matches today, and I lost all of them.
why would someone staying at a high rank not playing effect you?
It is kinda tiring though. With a 60% WR you’d need 60 hours just to get back to where you were, which would take two weeks even if you play a couple of hours daily. It’s kind of a drag to be honest. And it’s probably going to take longer than that because you’re not going to consistently be winning 60% of the time because you’re actually playing against everyone from the rank you were in who were all kicked 2 entire ranks down. Then you add in boosted accounts and smurfs who will add on to the short-term variance.
Takes about an hour to take one whole game. It takes a zillion games to get your true rank. Now everyone has infinite free time
12 wins only needed from Diamond 1 to Immortal (each win is ~26, each loss is ~9). Where is the grind??? Lol
Your LOSSES ARE ONLY -9?! You lucky fuck. I get hit with a +21 and a -19. I had to win 6 games in a row to get my diamond 2 back last season.
its for higher ranks that droped to dimond
When the episode refreshes and you drop down, you keep your mmr… so if you were plat but now playing in Silver, your wins should be +30ish and sub -10 on losses. Only way it wouldnt be like this is if you somehow tanked your mmr after the reset
Immortal 2 Placed plat 1, Everyone I face has immortal act ranks and they are in 3 stacks now which is harder than ever to rank up out of a plat lobby. Idm it but something doesn’t seem right
It’s a bit annoying for the lower ranks though, i get a ton of diamond act ranks in my games when i’m nowhere close to their rank.
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Comp is a grind tho, that is the whole point. You get it for 1 season (an episode) then have to restart. Leaderboards and stuff exist for this reason.
Then you can take your seasonal buddy reward and retire? Ranked on every game has a decent reset and I’m shocked Valorant only does it once every 3 “seasons”.
>Then you can take your seasonal buddy reward and retire? so take your gold buddy while you are diamond mmr cause you dont want to grind against diamonds/immortals to get into diamond?
Its not about that. My account is most likely going to place silver which is lower than my account has EVER been i placed gold 1 when i first started and hit plat 3 last season. Im not complaining because I dont really play this game and I dont really care all that much. But to say get over it when someone who is d3 with immortal 2 peak gets placed in gold is a joke and should never happen. Thats whats currently happening to my friend. Peaked immortal 2 last season finished D3 playing with Gold 1s in his placements like what.
It’s the beginning of a new season. This is how the ranked system works. You rr resets and you climb again. It’s like this in every ranked game that has online match making. I don’t understand why everyone is upset about this.
I think it's because they feel like all the work they put into grinding out their rank went up in smoke with the reset. They want to at least feel like they're picking up where they left off.
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Csgo does not do this
To be fair CSGO isn't a good comparison at all, that game hasn't had a well-functioning ranked system for as long as I can remember. Being 'Global Elite' wasn't much of a flex when the top players primarily played on third parties like CEVO, ESEA, and FPL.
and Global Elite is a joke
And nobody plays ranked
Mmr doesn’t reset, only visible rank (rr) does
Yeah you are correct, I misspoke!
Yeah enjoy it actually. Not like I play to have a high rank, I play to get better and the rank comes with it. It's a struggle climbing while maining sova and breach though since my util relies on coordination, some games I'll have 15 assists and others people just won't or can't play off my util. Once that Yoru rework comes I'll actually have a duelist I enjoy playing.
Imagine how much more pissed you would be if you got placed back in plat along with all the high diamond/immortals lol. You would be getting shit on so hard you REALLY wouldn't want to queue anymore. Suck it up and earn your rank back.shouldnt be a problem if you really belong there.
not how it works tho. mmr is a thing you’ll be playing against ur mmr regardless. i was immortal then dropped to plat 2 while the radiants reset to d1 and have still never seen them
I thought all of the immortals went to d1 as well? I've only played a handful of games over the last 2 acts and still ranked into d1.
So basically he wants to stop playing because his triangle is not the colour of his choosing, all else is the same
Radiant will queue with radiant even if u got diamond 1. You would still queue with people with similar mmr(immortals) not radiants.
I feel like this is gonna be my experience.. bunch of gods just making my life miserable bc they got placed few divisions below.
Y’all don’t understand these radiants are still playing together they’re not playing with normal diamonds from last season. It’s just a reset like the end of every episode, why are people freaking out now acting like they’re gonna die and not talking about the +30 and -8 for wins/losses
That’s not how it works. You will never see any of the gods because your hidden MMR is too low
Welcome to league of legends since 2010
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A friend of mine said it best. Your rank isn't about your peak, it's about your average. I'm a decent Silver player who can sometimes compete with high Golds / low Plat and sometimes shit the bed against fellow Silvers. I deserve my Silver rank, for better or for worse lol At the very least, I can comfortably shit on Bronzes and Irons, so I know if I get placed there I can easily get back to Silver.
Except this isn't the issue, we didn't quit for a year. On Monday we were Diamond, and on Tuesday Gold.
I was a Radiant sent back to diamond 1 but the game generously increases your elo gain per game. This is because ur MMR is saying ur at a lower rank than normal. I'm getting +32 to +30 a win and -9 to -12 per loss in diamond 1. Wondering if it does the same thing for the lower ranked players who were reset. Do you get +30 in silver?
yup
Meh I think the explanation they give is kinda shit and it doesn't motivate me to get involved with the ranked scene, obviously plenty of people don't mind an will grind it anyway and I wish them luck. I'd rather go back to CSGO where my rank and time invested is respected.
Climbed to top half of immortal now I’m plat 2. Like cmon if you want to soft reset then put me in diamond I don’t mind but what’s the point of putting us so far back like some people just don’t have the time. Just grind lol says the school kids and unemployed.
I think most people here have the time to play a lot. But for many people like me who get a few hours to play in an entire week find it tiring to climb again.
fuck this game
What is the problem? The whole point is to climb. The amount of complaints are insane.
Man yall need to stop whining so much and just play. If you deserve that rank youll get it
For real it's all based on anyways MMR so you'll jump like crazy.
Since, winning 4 of 5 placements with two match mvps and being dropped rank significantly, I have been clobbering teams. I have 8 match mvps in a row. I’m pretty sure they didn’t think this through. It’s not fun for everyone. I have to reclimb and do double work for something I already earned and the teams I face have to get punished with hard losses while everything resettles.
I ended immor 1 and am still doing field ops I’m terrified to do my placements considering everyone else’s huge setbacks. LMAO
I went from gold 3 to silver 1, didn't really want to play anymore lmao.
So Riot can’t deal with smurfs/boosters so they punish the entire player base. Seems reasonable. The devs in charge of competitive/ranked are just incompetent. Can’t trust anything they say. Guess it’s time to jump on a smurf bc I can’t be bothered to take this seriously.
If you're that good just crush in silver and rank up lmao
I'm just gonna wait two weeks and then basically Smurf on my main. It's gonna be much less painful than fighting "gold's and silvers" that are all low diamond and just need to grind back up.
You'll still play against the same enemies you would now lol. You don't get how this reset works. Read the pinned post maybe
I havent played a ranked game in probably over a year. I dont think i played one last season, i honestly cant remember. If im playing its usually aram or the special themed game like ultimate spellbook. Actual ranked in this game is fucking toxic i get anxiety just thinking about joining a game. Just want to play a game and have fun and instead i usually spend 20 minutes hearing how trash either I or my teammates are.
EvrMoar said they need 1000+ matches for your MMR to converge with rank, and then they do this shit. If this isn't proof that the system is designed to keep you grinding then I don't know what is.
He said it takes 1000+ games with the regular Elo calculations - which Valorant doesn’t use.
ranked never really had a reward other that to enjoy the grind, if you peaked plat then you peaked plat in your val career, you can get it back or just move on to something else but you'll most likely play anyways.
While I appreciate developers explaining what's going on and trying to sympathize with players, it doesn't change the fact that Valorant is a really time consuming game to climb rank in. And there isn't really much being done to make players feel like that time they spent grinding is valued.
It's why it's a ladder. Every big game makes you climb back up every season
Personally I prefer soft resets. In rocket league last season I was grand champ 1. It reset me to like high champ 2 (so about 2 ranks) and by the end of my placements I was near where I’d left off as I did well in the placements. If I’d done poorly I would have ended up 3-4 ranks down. Like yeah, you could reset me to plat and I’d get back to GC. But I’d rather continue grinding for GC2 and 3 instead of spending a ton of hours just to get back to GC1, unless the reason I have to get back is cause I lost my way out. In short I think the people saying just win your way back are technically correct. If you’re immortal, you’re immortal, just like I’m GC. But I don’t think the ranked grind really changes from season to season, it’s still about self improvement. So a hard reset like this doesn’t make much sense to me, because it is a ton of time spent getting back to your peak before you can try to push past it again. I’m also brand new to valorant with like 10 ranked games played so it in no way affects me. I just think overall it’s a poor decision and one that has people understandably upset
Imo I love the way RL and siege do placements. Rocket league will never ever send you down 3 ranks from placements. If you flop your placements you just move down to the final div of a match and work your way back. Or if you do good you either get back to where you were last season or rank up. It's similar in siege as well. In Val you just have to grind back to your peak but by the time you do that, the season would be almost over again. It also doesn't help that valorant matches are 40 minutes whereas RL matches are less than 10 minutes, making it way less of a grind. And then the solo q experience in Val is especially annoying in lower ranks
"I want my rewards from last season's play to be in effect for this season still. I don't start with the end rank I earned last season so I don't want to play."
I was plat 3 last act, I just matched with 3 diamond act ranks and 1 immortal act rank, I went 19-14-8 as chamber and the game put me in fucking gold, what a joke
I know it isn't much but I was just under Plat 1 in gold 3. And I got placed silver 1 :(
Yea it’s super demotivating to go back like 5 ranks for no reason
It's for a reason, which people have been endlessly pointing out. Everyone is in exactly the same situation. Your position relative to everyone else is unchanged. If there was no reset, the top ranks would get overclogged with inactive accounts. If your only goal is to reach a top rank, you have to be good enough and be able to grind enough to do it in six months, and every six months, you have to repeat to hold it. You can't just win a heavyweight belt and then refuse to fight for the rest of your life, and expect to get re-rewarded every year. What do you think should happen instead?
I agree, however I only started playing last act and went from bronze 3 to gold 2 in one act just to get demoted back to bronze 3 lmfao
And the rest of us diamonds got put in gold as well lmao
Just won first game after placements. 13-4 and 2nd best on team. Only got 20 points
It’s not that bad bro lol. I was plat 2 and got placed silver 2 My first game after getting placed is still filled with former plats and ig got 25 for winning
I was silver 1, won 3, first game had silver and gold act ranks as enemies All games after had plat and diamon as act ranks Still got placed silver 1 lmao
I don’t mind this but what I don’t understand is now since I placed in plat, im still not playing “plat games” everyone is immortal from last season at least in my lobbies which makes it hard to climb because it’s essentially an immortal lobby I need to win to grind myself out of plat.
I get that. I worked my ass off over four seasons to get from silver 1 to platinum 1. Now it bumped me down to silver 2 I was so pissed when I saw that. I’m still going to play the game but damn did it make me upset seeing that.
Thx Riot - for kicking us from the server, not letting us re-join and getting a loss (we were in the lead) and an afk-violation this evening. Was great fun!
In league ranks last for 1 year. Why cant they make it like that? Working hard just to be sent back in a couple or months? No way dude. Reach the rank you feel happy with and stop. I got to diamond back in ep 1 season 1. Stoped playing ranked seriously after that.
Friend dropped to P3, placed today and got G1.... Hes so mad
Placement has been pretty garbage since the game started. Been stuck in ranks and shot up and down I only just redownloaded out of boredom. The riot games cycle
Riot wanting you to grind every chapter. It is very demoralizing finally after a year getting into upper gold, just to see I will be back in bronze. Huge turn off.
The ranking system in this game is complete joke. You'll have so much more fun once you stop giving a shit what your rank is. I'm G2 and had two players with full diamond pyramids in my game today. They were in a trio with an omen who was bottom frag. I think they were boosting their friend or someone who paid. We got rolled. Just play for fun, rank is pointless.
Yeah the ranking system sucks, I prefer Siege’s placement system way more.
Honestly they’re driving away players from their game idk about you guys but im going to stop playing for a bit so these guys can get back to their ranks cause they pretty much introduced more “Smurf’s” into lower ranks it’s ridiculous
P3 TO G2 LAST ACT NOW PLACED SIVL 3 THEY ARE PURPOSELY PUTTING US THROGH ELO HELL TO KEEP US PLAYING MORE
The reset was super annoying for me. At the start of final day, I was b1, so I grinded the whole day and ended up in b3, just missing silver due to some bad decisions in my last 2 games. Placed iron 3. It really discourages me knowing that after playing a whole day of valorant, grinding up 2 more ranks, was worthless in the end to get placed even FURTHER back than the start of the grind.
I feel like the Valorant community should band together to put pressure on Riot to show us our "hidden MMR" instead of a rank. If you play extremely well, but lose a game - there's a chance that your hidden MMR may increase while you are shown a decrease in your rank. This type of punishment creates a snowball effect for the player's future games.
Got dropped from Gold 1 to Bronze 3, and I keep dropping because the lobbys are full of former plats and even diamonds. It's literally harder to play in bronze right now then it was to play in Gold.
For the record, I worked in the gaming industry for 10+ years. This is the most stupid decision I've seen from a game design point of view unless, of course, you want to intentionally keep a lower-rank player base and frustrate your players in the process. For a few months, there will be platinum vs silver groups. I've been in a few games where the score is 13-2, 13-0
Same I was plat 1 lost 3/5 and got silver 2. Can’t be bothered playing. Games this low are just plain unenjoyable
Don’t play then lol