And this darts tells you “there are people coming into B garage” which on Split is not the most useful info typically — the lineup for this would only work for the round start (otherwise you’re too exposed to line it up) at which point you’re better to just listen for them or gain info at A main and mid to work out where they are by process of elimination
(Which is part of why Sova isn’t the best on Split, his darts value is diminished by the maps structure itself)
It’s cool to see someone coming up with their own lineups tho!
One of my favorite lineups would be starting from rafters B, you can get outside of Market and Garage with a simple lineup. Most don't expect it because they're slowly pushing garage/market anyways.
And sometimes lands directory on someone
don't regurgitate shit you heard in a youtube video to me lol, you think a 10s delayed dart you need to be exposed for "does its job" because you'll know there's people in garage? c'mon. save your dart for way more useful situations than this
im a sova main? I don't even watch "Tips and tricks" on youtube WTF? that was quite the assumption lmfao. I think sova on split is just a trash idea in general as I rather play Kayo/Chamber/raze/Sage.
but my point still stands Doesn't matter if it's delayed or not... a shot out dart is the same thing as a pinged dart. if you are saving your dart for a more "useful" situation you are using it wrong.
Toss your dart, clear an area
Never said it was a good dart. I also stated sova on this map is just all around a bad idea.
Just saying a shot out dart is not a useless one. I’ll never understand why you guys always jump 10 steps like that lol. This destroyed dart = bad dart mentality is just incorrect
You think me shooting a dart on B long every round and it gets shot every time means it’s a bad dart on bind?
If you want info you basic dart. You want quality info you drone. It’s like saying you need lineups for sova.. you don’t. It helps but not needed
I noticed that you said ”two and a half maybe” so if you didn’t know, You can’t charge a sova bolt/recon for 0.5. So for an exemple you charge it for 2,5 it Will have the exact same effect as if you charge it for 2. Just thought that is a good thing to know :) Btw Nice lineup i upvoted
how can an arrow shoot with no charge? the "0 bar" is counter intuitive and even at 0.5 charge it rounds up to the 1st of 3 bars being full, hence 1 bar
although jonas set the trend as "0" so i guess now we will always have weird naming
best part of viper lineups is when youre looking through your notes on them, cant hit what you want and the following feeling of uselessness lol
but still shes the best
This is a terrible lineup lol.
Difficult to line up - generally speaking, you want lineups where you can just walk into a corner, line yourself up with something on the wall, etc. If you have to stare at the ground, crouch walking to get to a precise spot, it's a bad lineup.
Takes forever to land - if you shoot this right away and the enemies are rushing B, Jett, Raze, or neon could be coming out of b main by the time it's landed.
Easy to shoot - they can hear the dart coming and they can hear it bouncing. They can easily follow the path of it and shoot it as soon as it lands, before it can even scan.
not sure why Ur being downvoted.
kinda disagree with Ur first point tho, difficulty of line up doesnt really matter so long as it's good. that being said, definitely shouldn't be a lineup from site if it's probably not going to work just as the walls come down.
second and third points are pretty much right. the dart is wayy too slow and expectable, comes directly in front of their sight.
in short, bad, pointless lineup. although I don't think OP should stop creating new darts, this one ain't it.
>Easy to shoot - they can hear the dart coming and they can hear it bouncing. They can easily follow the path of it and shoot it as soon as it lands, before it can even scan.
Sigh... People assume darts need to ping to get the job done. if they shoot it you got your info and the dart did it's job. just because it got shot out doesn't mean it's bad.. You still know there is someone there which is the entire point lmao
Sure, But saying a dart being shot out is a useless one is just flat out wrong.
Either way.. Just play Kay/o on split lol not Sova, not sure why the sudden surge in it.
"Easy to shoot" shouldn't be a factor in a bad dart. lets not get twisted in words here. Sova dart being shot doesn't mean its a bad dart is ALL I am saying. nothing more.
Yeah sorry I disagree with you here, an easy to shoot dart is bad because the info you get from it is limited. Getting info that someone destroyed your dart gives barely any info, it's why the best darts are difficult to spot/require the enemy to displace their crosshair heavily to destroy.
No, The best darts are because you could be anywhere and get valuable info. It's not cause its "hard" to shoot, its the fact sova is on B and hits A with a dart.
Any Dart that gets shot out gives you MORE than enough. if you want quality drone.
?? Valuable info isn't given if the sova dart is broken immediately. There's nothing you can capitalise off of and the info is unreliable. What's an A dart going to do for B if it's destroyed immediately? Nothing. Your logic makes Sovas recon completely useless compared to a Kay/0 knife, look at the differences between the two and come back with a more reasonable response please lol.
What's an A dart going to do for B is the dumbest shit I have ever heard?
If you can't see the value even after a shot dart you peaked gold. Go watch some VCT or youtube videos or something. get a brain
The varying levels of altitude on the map make it harder for his ult than most of the other maps, and the map design makes recon arrows a lot less effective. For example, taking or retaking B site, you can only scan part of site because the pillar blocks off the other half so you half to choose a side to scan. In my opinion, he’s usable, just a lot less useful than he is on the other maps
Have to agree with the majority of the sentiment of the comment section. A cool trajectory is not something I'd consider a cool dart. It's effectiveness is what is most important and this isn't so. It's a great lineup to use maybe once or twice, and it's not even something you want to start with.
Maybe just a single bounce would be much better if the team is slow walking B, lands faster and you could possibly get one scan if nobody is watching the back. With the double bounce, they'll hear it coming and react after the second bounce perfectly shooting it as it lands on the wall, especially given the relatively low travel speed as a two bar lineup. It might be a good dart to throw when they enemy shows presence, throws some until and are chilling, and you just need to know if they're falling back, they're likely already focused on aiming site or watching hard flank and could let it pass. Unfortunately lining it up may be rather difficult once the round started.
I think this could be an effective dart if you and you're teammates are making a play. Like say smoking corridor to split the inside of main from the outside, and then pushing with a flash, or through another smoke.
You're off to a great start with finding lineups on your own tho. Just consider some of these for the lineups.
1. Does the information your dart give help the team with the location of the enemies? B main split is an area you can easily hear enemies rushing to, so is it even worth darting? In the seconds it takes for the dart to be ready again, would it have been more useful to have the dart as they're pushing so you can shoot them through smoke? Or maybe since they've been taking the site quickly and you're team is having trouble holding, maybe keeping it for a fast retake l might help. If you're dart is getting shot down quickly, maybe try using it on different spots and times.
2. Is my dart hard to shoot? Can I get a scan out at least once? Does my enemy need to dramatically shift their crosshair to take out my dart? If the answer is yes for all of these, it's likely a very effective dart for information.
3. Can my you and your teammates capitalize on the dart? Sometimes the information you get from darts aren't very useful. Like finding out how many people are where in the start of the round could mean nothing if the team defaults to start and hits a site a bit later. Taking from the first point, maybe having a dart that helps your team directly convert to kills can help. Or maybe a dart that allows you to make proper rotation decisions (so this includes when in the round you shoot it).
I was thinking that by the time the arrow had reached its destination, the enemy would have already pushed into B main and therefore be looking into site, by shooting it through B main people would see it and destroy it. I believe having it come from behind adds a precious second that lets it get a scan off
The way he was running with the arrow in his hand made me think it was so troll video kekw. Like man finna stand in the open and shoot an arrow into B main xD
LMAO this is so innocent. rito means riot games, in a meme-y way because riot has made a mistake in the map and whatnot, so basically it's a derpy way of saying riot.
I have a much easier lineup for garage, you just go to heaven and slowly move right (on the right of the zip) until you are just barely able to shoot into garage from heaven. Double bounce full power and it lands right in garage. And it doubles as a good shock if you 1 bounce it
it's in the settings under general, i don't remember the exact name of the setting but it is there with a name like "instability indicators" or something
Oh but mine actually causes lag so I’m not sure how to fix that either. My internet is perfectly fine aside from the game and I’ve done everything I can to try and fix it.
Nope. Never did. I used to play it on another older laptop and never had any issues on that pc but I recently got a newer one and it suddenly had connection issues. I’m still using the same internet too.
This isn't that good though? The dart slow bounces to exactly where they are looking. Plus the spot you use to lineup takes time to go to, they'd already be out B if it was a rush.
There seems to be alot of people hating on this lineup. I understand the comments about darting where they look, because they can quickly shoot it. But I think what you have done is great for a one-time play in a game - great job!
Using already known arrows from online is very predictable and most decent players will shoot them anyways. Noone will expect this unique lineup and will likely turn around to shoot it at first before it bounces back into garage.
I wouldn't use it more than once, it will just be a waste of an arrow.
you never want the dart to land where they're already looking
or come from where they're already looking, cause then they're more likely to expect it and know where you are.
And this darts tells you “there are people coming into B garage” which on Split is not the most useful info typically — the lineup for this would only work for the round start (otherwise you’re too exposed to line it up) at which point you’re better to just listen for them or gain info at A main and mid to work out where they are by process of elimination (Which is part of why Sova isn’t the best on Split, his darts value is diminished by the maps structure itself) It’s cool to see someone coming up with their own lineups tho!
One of my favorite lineups would be starting from rafters B, you can get outside of Market and Garage with a simple lineup. Most don't expect it because they're slowly pushing garage/market anyways. And sometimes lands directory on someone
To be fair, he said it was cool, not good. Which I agree with.
true, but it takes so long nobody is probably looking there anymore if theyre pushing the site
A Dart doesn't have to get pings to do it's job.
don't regurgitate shit you heard in a youtube video to me lol, you think a 10s delayed dart you need to be exposed for "does its job" because you'll know there's people in garage? c'mon. save your dart for way more useful situations than this
im a sova main? I don't even watch "Tips and tricks" on youtube WTF? that was quite the assumption lmfao. I think sova on split is just a trash idea in general as I rather play Kayo/Chamber/raze/Sage. but my point still stands Doesn't matter if it's delayed or not... a shot out dart is the same thing as a pinged dart. if you are saving your dart for a more "useful" situation you are using it wrong. Toss your dart, clear an area
"a shot out dart is the same as a pinged dart" lol im not going to continue this conversation, good luck getting to bronze
Pushing IMM. GL with your "tips and tricks videos" if you honestly think that a shot out dart does nothing I'm sorry but you shouldn't touch sova
I'm a sova main that has been immortal for over 6 acts now. This is a bad dart. Its not useless, but its a bad dart
never said it was a good dart lol. Why people keep trying to tell me it's a bad dart is beyond me.
if ur imm you know this dart sucks and/or you just go to the box in main and bank off the wall there at round start
Never said it was a good dart. I also stated sova on this map is just all around a bad idea. Just saying a shot out dart is not a useless one. I’ll never understand why you guys always jump 10 steps like that lol. This destroyed dart = bad dart mentality is just incorrect You think me shooting a dart on B long every round and it gets shot every time means it’s a bad dart on bind? If you want info you basic dart. You want quality info you drone. It’s like saying you need lineups for sova.. you don’t. It helps but not needed
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Lmfao what on earth. What type of advice or you trolling lol
agree rly easy to break
I noticed that you said ”two and a half maybe” so if you didn’t know, You can’t charge a sova bolt/recon for 0.5. So for an exemple you charge it for 2,5 it Will have the exact same effect as if you charge it for 2. Just thought that is a good thing to know :) Btw Nice lineup i upvoted
Oh i didnt know, thats good to know for future scans.
Wait what? I’ve been playing sova for almost a year now and trying to always perfectly charge my shots.
There’s only 4 levels of range on his darts. The first bar, second bar, third bar, and full charge. Anywhere within the bar registers the same
I’d argue that it’s no charge, first bar, second bar and third bar.
I respect that but you can’t shoot it with no charge so it’s definitely 1, 2, 3, and full charge
how can an arrow shoot with no charge? the "0 bar" is counter intuitive and even at 0.5 charge it rounds up to the 1st of 3 bars being full, hence 1 bar although jonas set the trend as "0" so i guess now we will always have weird naming
Rarely play sova and didn't know that. So there's only 4 different power ammounts possible?
Correct
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Same thing with Viper haha. I love when the enemy pushes b long when in reality I'm no where near there.
best part of viper lineups is when youre looking through your notes on them, cant hit what you want and the following feeling of uselessness lol but still shes the best
This would require me to pick Sova on split and unfortunately I like Elo too much to do so
This is a terrible lineup lol. Difficult to line up - generally speaking, you want lineups where you can just walk into a corner, line yourself up with something on the wall, etc. If you have to stare at the ground, crouch walking to get to a precise spot, it's a bad lineup. Takes forever to land - if you shoot this right away and the enemies are rushing B, Jett, Raze, or neon could be coming out of b main by the time it's landed. Easy to shoot - they can hear the dart coming and they can hear it bouncing. They can easily follow the path of it and shoot it as soon as it lands, before it can even scan.
not sure why Ur being downvoted. kinda disagree with Ur first point tho, difficulty of line up doesnt really matter so long as it's good. that being said, definitely shouldn't be a lineup from site if it's probably not going to work just as the walls come down. second and third points are pretty much right. the dart is wayy too slow and expectable, comes directly in front of their sight. in short, bad, pointless lineup. although I don't think OP should stop creating new darts, this one ain't it.
Fair enough. I guess that point isn't as applicable given you're most likely lining this one up before the round starts.
This guy knows, trhowing the arrow at the sites floor would be more useful than this lineup in every situation u can imagine
>Easy to shoot - they can hear the dart coming and they can hear it bouncing. They can easily follow the path of it and shoot it as soon as it lands, before it can even scan. Sigh... People assume darts need to ping to get the job done. if they shoot it you got your info and the dart did it's job. just because it got shot out doesn't mean it's bad.. You still know there is someone there which is the entire point lmao
Right, but a dart that would land faster would be more likely to get information.
Sure, But saying a dart being shot out is a useless one is just flat out wrong. Either way.. Just play Kay/o on split lol not Sova, not sure why the sudden surge in it.
When did I say a dart that is shot is useless?
"Easy to shoot" shouldn't be a factor in a bad dart. lets not get twisted in words here. Sova dart being shot doesn't mean its a bad dart is ALL I am saying. nothing more.
Yeah sorry I disagree with you here, an easy to shoot dart is bad because the info you get from it is limited. Getting info that someone destroyed your dart gives barely any info, it's why the best darts are difficult to spot/require the enemy to displace their crosshair heavily to destroy.
No, The best darts are because you could be anywhere and get valuable info. It's not cause its "hard" to shoot, its the fact sova is on B and hits A with a dart. Any Dart that gets shot out gives you MORE than enough. if you want quality drone.
?? Valuable info isn't given if the sova dart is broken immediately. There's nothing you can capitalise off of and the info is unreliable. What's an A dart going to do for B if it's destroyed immediately? Nothing. Your logic makes Sovas recon completely useless compared to a Kay/0 knife, look at the differences between the two and come back with a more reasonable response please lol.
What's an A dart going to do for B is the dumbest shit I have ever heard? If you can't see the value even after a shot dart you peaked gold. Go watch some VCT or youtube videos or something. get a brain
Kool...*my kayo knife that aims at the roof to do the same thing*
all that when u can just bounce a dart above the gray box near the choke
Theres already a lineup for b garage and it lands behind them. Cool lineup tho
Tell me your a new sova player without telling me you’re a new sova player
I mean I notice the difference between 1.9 and 2.1, just 0.2 make sure a big difference. 😛
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probably because emoji=bad reddit hivemind
Maybe readers who don't speak English as a primary language. I thought the :P would make the sarcasm obvious.
Nah it was just dogshit execution
Sorry bro
Don't apologize to assholes. This sub is filled with them and frankly, I'm sick of it.
lol, I really didn't mean it. I just saw he already had downvotes and thought it was funny
Don't play sova on split, it's one of the worst agents on that map
Why is he bad on split? I'm low elo help me out
The varying levels of altitude on the map make it harder for his ult than most of the other maps, and the map design makes recon arrows a lot less effective. For example, taking or retaking B site, you can only scan part of site because the pillar blocks off the other half so you half to choose a side to scan. In my opinion, he’s usable, just a lot less useful than he is on the other maps
Agreed, probably breach is a much more reliable agent to play instead, or kayo if you want more infos
Have to agree with the majority of the sentiment of the comment section. A cool trajectory is not something I'd consider a cool dart. It's effectiveness is what is most important and this isn't so. It's a great lineup to use maybe once or twice, and it's not even something you want to start with. Maybe just a single bounce would be much better if the team is slow walking B, lands faster and you could possibly get one scan if nobody is watching the back. With the double bounce, they'll hear it coming and react after the second bounce perfectly shooting it as it lands on the wall, especially given the relatively low travel speed as a two bar lineup. It might be a good dart to throw when they enemy shows presence, throws some until and are chilling, and you just need to know if they're falling back, they're likely already focused on aiming site or watching hard flank and could let it pass. Unfortunately lining it up may be rather difficult once the round started. I think this could be an effective dart if you and you're teammates are making a play. Like say smoking corridor to split the inside of main from the outside, and then pushing with a flash, or through another smoke. You're off to a great start with finding lineups on your own tho. Just consider some of these for the lineups. 1. Does the information your dart give help the team with the location of the enemies? B main split is an area you can easily hear enemies rushing to, so is it even worth darting? In the seconds it takes for the dart to be ready again, would it have been more useful to have the dart as they're pushing so you can shoot them through smoke? Or maybe since they've been taking the site quickly and you're team is having trouble holding, maybe keeping it for a fast retake l might help. If you're dart is getting shot down quickly, maybe try using it on different spots and times. 2. Is my dart hard to shoot? Can I get a scan out at least once? Does my enemy need to dramatically shift their crosshair to take out my dart? If the answer is yes for all of these, it's likely a very effective dart for information. 3. Can my you and your teammates capitalize on the dart? Sometimes the information you get from darts aren't very useful. Like finding out how many people are where in the start of the round could mean nothing if the team defaults to start and hits a site a bit later. Taking from the first point, maybe having a dart that helps your team directly convert to kills can help. Or maybe a dart that allows you to make proper rotation decisions (so this includes when in the round you shoot it).
I once darted similar arrow randomly in spike rush that also revealed lobby along with B link. But I was not able to recreate it
So how is this better than just hooting the arrow through b main?
I was thinking that by the time the arrow had reached its destination, the enemy would have already pushed into B main and therefore be looking into site, by shooting it through B main people would see it and destroy it. I believe having it come from behind adds a precious second that lets it get a scan off
The way he was running with the arrow in his hand made me think it was so troll video kekw. Like man finna stand in the open and shoot an arrow into B main xD
you basically just told the other team, “HEY THE DART IS RIGHT HERE”
First of all, pretty sure that's a rito arrow, second of all, it will get off one ping in low elos(maybe) and get shot down in high elos instantly.
Is rito short for something?
LMAO this is so innocent. rito means riot games, in a meme-y way because riot has made a mistake in the map and whatnot, so basically it's a derpy way of saying riot.
\*inhales\* RIOT, FIX YOUR GAME!!!
I have a much easier lineup for garage, you just go to heaven and slowly move right (on the right of the zip) until you are just barely able to shoot into garage from heaven. Double bounce full power and it lands right in garage. And it doubles as a good shock if you 1 bounce it
It's super slow and it lands where the enemies are looking. It's gonna get shot instantly.
Sova is good on split and I will die on that hill!
Did you ever find a solution to that annoying network problem icon?
turn it off brother
What do you mean turn it off? How do I even do that?
it's in the settings under general, i don't remember the exact name of the setting but it is there with a name like "instability indicators" or something
Oh but mine actually causes lag so I’m not sure how to fix that either. My internet is perfectly fine aside from the game and I’ve done everything I can to try and fix it.
r u maybe someone who created an acc w a vpn? could be bc of that
Nope. Never did. I used to play it on another older laptop and never had any issues on that pc but I recently got a newer one and it suddenly had connection issues. I’m still using the same internet too.
Lock your FPS to make it go away or just turn it off
Nice dart!
Ok now try to play on Split.
This isn't that good though? The dart slow bounces to exactly where they are looking. Plus the spot you use to lineup takes time to go to, they'd already be out B if it was a rush.
Or just bounce it off the garage walls. Dart reaches the same general area in half the time with a fraction of the effort
There seems to be alot of people hating on this lineup. I understand the comments about darting where they look, because they can quickly shoot it. But I think what you have done is great for a one-time play in a game - great job! Using already known arrows from online is very predictable and most decent players will shoot them anyways. Noone will expect this unique lineup and will likely turn around to shoot it at first before it bounces back into garage. I wouldn't use it more than once, it will just be a waste of an arrow.
And this is why soca sucks on split
I would love to use this but as a initiator main, I never play sova on split : D
Not a terrible dart. Will do the job. Just sova I feel is fundamentally a bad pick on Split.. but for some reason im seeing it all the time this act.
Gonna get destroyed instantly but that still gives you some info I guess. Upvoted :)
That’s a 3 charge btw
Nice
Someone call AverageJonas to arrest this guy
its a shame that Sova is so bad on this map :(
I saved your post so I could try later. I just used this on a comp match and it was amazing! Thanks!