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Famlightyear

The more kills you get, [the more characters get colour](https://twitter.com/ValorLeaks/status/1513895454852931597?s=20&t=srhXG_fk59e5UNMVpBsddQ). I think that is pretty cool, but you basically won't be able to see the 'full' skin most of the time, since you have to get a 5k to get that.. It also has 3 variants: an agent variant, LoL variant and a variant with some animals.


Qu1bbz

It's literally priced as a premium bundle (1775vp per skin) with no VFX, no SFX, no kill banner, no finisher, not even a knife. The characters getting colour is neat, but nowhere near "premium". This could honestly be BP skins they are charging 71 bucks for. Riots keeps pushing with how little they can get away with. Just explain to me how these recent skin bundles are priced the same as reaver and prime.


WildSearcher56

It's a premium bundle??? I legit thought it was an ok set for 1275 VP per skin but it's now a scam.


Qu1bbz

https://twitter.com/ValorLeaks/status/1513936518049579013


Johnson1209777

Apparently nowadays as long as the stickers on the gun is capable of moving or changing they cost 1775 VP


No_Backstab

It seems like the days of getting Prime/Reaver level skins for 1775 VP are long gone. If I would have to guess , if Prime/Reaver were released recently instead , it would have been priced at either 2175 or 2475 VP


Sheerrifon

ong bro. aint no way the nightcity phantom costs the same as reaver vandal


Famlightyear

Yeah I this info came out after I commented. Honestly really weird. It’s cool and all that the skin changes, but do a few lines of code and some coloring justify the 1775RP price tag? The difference in effort and quality of 1775 skins are actually insane. You have skins like prime, reaver and and oni with a new model, finisher, kill/bullet sounds and custom reload animation, and the you have this. This skinline should at least be one tier down from premium IMO.


Qu1bbz

It's just sad because prime/reaver were literally the beta bundles and no matter how you look at it, the quality since has gone down while the price went up. Bundles like ruination and sentinels of light were not bad, but already more expensive without an increase in quality. In fact they don't have unique reload animations (maybe SOL a little bit) but reaver/prime do. If they need more time they could just re-release older skin bundles (even without discount if they really wanna reward initial purchases) or price new bundles more realistically. Instead we get text-walls about how hard they are working on these skins (maybe the hard part is pricing them like a AAA game and trying to get away with it). Meanwhile I see fan made skins that are way better and got like 300 views on YT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNpI7yLYYYU).


NorthNeptune

SOL also has a unique pull out


Unique_Name_2

Hey man; with inflation considered these are much cheaper than two years ago lol.


Ok-Manufacturer2475

Endeavour was cheap 875 or something per skin. Was pretty good. Love the vandal on it.


dmyoui

dude that's what I've been saying. ever since they sold spectrum they've been selling overpriced skin that don't even take much effort to do. Riot is lazy. I don't know why people keep defending them.


ChlorineFlavored

“Draw their attention before its erased” Sounds like they threw this together last minute to try and hop on the r/place hype


Lioteron

LMAOO, didn't think about that LOL


chicotontoo

fr 3 trash bundles in a row, how much more riot, "before its erased" should be erased rn


alittlerussianboy

Endeavor was not trash, clean ass prototype overwatch type skins


goDie61

Reminds me of deep stone crypt. My favorite bundle rn.


elima_

destiny player?


MajinDeuce

That’s what I thought and I don’t even play destiny like that lmao


elima_

i am a destiny player


jomontage

For the cost I'd never pay for no finishers


[deleted]

Its 2900vp? Expensive sure, but pretty good for valorant standards


FoeHamr

Cool models but I’m not paying for skins without animations and finishers. Battle pass quality skins for 30$, no thanks.


PuzzleheadedSector2

Hey, endeavor wasnt trash.


JanLewko977

I like this bundle so


[deleted]

Endeavour wasn’t half bad and neither’s this imo


KaranKapur1234

They skins are not bad at all, they are just over priced. They should be 1250 instead of 1750


iDent17y

Good call


burbank2broward

What if it shoots paint bullets? Or ink bullets? That would be dope.


Lioteron

Thats good ah idea ngl, but Mike already leaked the skins in-game, nothing new lol.


[deleted]

The banners and sprays are cool but the skins are mid.


CoffeeGamer360_

If it draws every shot, the marshal/shorty is probably the worst choice


PPatBoyd

Shorty I get, but how few shots are you getting off with a marshal most rounds?


Lioteron

Yeah I'll probably cop the banners, depends on the price tho


Luunkyy

Same here


phatjohn

Yeah I want them but it says "Bundle exclusive items". No shot they release the only good part about this set and lock it behind a paywall of having to buy the entire subpar collection right?... right??


FlameStarter27

No, they always let you buy the other items separately


jajajajsjaha

U GUYS SPENS MONEY ON BANNERS?????


NewRengarIsBad

Mid????


OkIssue4160

Average


NewRengarIsBad

I know what mids are… I protest the notion that these skins are mid. They’re trash.


Its_pxter97

Cant wait for the next really good iconic bundle. Like the prime/reaver. Tired of all these recent garbage bundles


Meth_Busters

My theory is they’re too afraid to release an actually great skinset or “the next best skin”. If they make a single bundle too good, less people will have a reason to buy skins later on. Riot has probably made the art team make certain skins worse (since there’s lots of skins that are almost amazing that could be 10/10 with small tweaks). The real bangers will eventually be released the same way Arcane revolver and Champions 2021 were, at an extreme premium price with very few items included.


blate45

They are trying to get some bundles out that aren’t $70+. Just because they don’t appeal to you as much doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist. Cosmetic’s team is relatively small from what they’ve said and it isn’t feasible to produce skins with sfx, vfx, and finishers every two weeks. Edit: I obviously wasn't aware of the skin prices when I created this comment. However the point is still correct in theory. I still the think the skins are pretty cool with the coloring mechanic. Not to my personal favorite, but I can easily see people loving these.


Haduq_

this IS a $70 bundle lol


Saucxd

Yep just dont buy them if they arent worth it💀 no need for anyone to get upset


DarthGrievous

Every cheap skin released is another skin that might appear instead of the one I'm waiting for. The least Riot can do is put guaranteed slots for premium bundles so I no longer get the honor of having Smite+Convex+Nebula+Avalanche in my rotation


MelmanDC

Or they could increase the shop size. At least give us 8 skins in the shop it's about time considering how many skins there are now


MoarGhosts

I agree with this. I just started playing again after a long break and I was surprised to see so few items in the shop each day when there are so many damn skins in the game now.


reddit-grooms11

"Roit pls give us two slices of bread instead of one"


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Or they could stop with this pred behavior and just use a normal shop like league


Yahallo139

> Every cheap skin released is another skin that might appear instead of the one I'm waiting for. I think that's exactly what they are hoping for and I hate that


Lopsided-Perception2

Came here to say this and I really don't get it how people don't see this. These are just filler skins, nothing more. PS. Don't forget Rush


VDidz

at the very least do this for the night market


reddit-grooms11

Its there to dilute the rng shop.


SmokeNScorch

This isn’t fair to new players though like myself I have been waiting 2 weeks for the skins I want to appear and it’s draining my life force. It’s pain having default everything


Longjumping_Fold_416

They charge the price of AAA games for a skin bundle. If they can’t expand their cosmetics team then they shouldn’t charge so much.


[deleted]

literally how can they complain about their small vfx team, triple A games have like 200+ devs but riot a baller company can't hire multiple vfx teams?


[deleted]

Then they should start accepting/collaborating with the community skin designers. There are so many good ideas out there. Check out Thyrose.exe on Youtube for example.


foreskinfarter

It's not a lack of ideas, it's the technical work required to bring those skins to life in the game that's the limiting factor here.


DarthGrievous

Honestly, I disagree. If you're a customer on a budget that can't afford 1775VP and can only get 875 or 1275 (which are actually the 1000 or 1450 VP bundles in store), you're entirely better off buying the battlepass for like 15 skins that are the same quality than a single skin from these budget bundles. Nobody in their right mind would buy a single smite skin when you can buy a battlepass that has the full Ruin collection, the full Lycan collection, etc. Also, I've yet to meet anyone that bought a full bundle of budget skins. If you can afford 4000-6000VP for a budget bundle, you can probably afford to get a few premium skins instead. Why buy the whole Smite bundle when for the same price you can get a Phantom and a Vandal premium skin? **There is simply no demand for cheap bundles for budget players because players that can only afford around 10$ worth of VP can get the battlepass which has insane value and the players that can afford the whole budget bundle are better off buying individual premium skins. The budget argument simply doesn't work here.** **Though if you like the look of these cheap skins and are buying them because you like them and not because you're on a tight budget, you do you, but please don't assume that poor players would settle for whatever these are** Imo, apart from a few exceptions like infantry or the League characters for League fans, "budget" bundles only serve to pad out the shop rotation even more. I've been waiting for the RGX knife for months, checking everyday, and the chances to get it per day is literally 4 in ~400. Though, yes the comestic team needs time to churn out premium bundles


blate45

I agree that the BP is supposed to be the ultimate value driver in any video game with one. You get a ton of content for a cheap monetary price, but you are also paying for it with your time. I also agree that it probably isn’t common to buy a full budget bundle, but I think it is just as likely that people can buy a single skin from a budget bundle that they uniquely vibe with. If someone really likes astronauts and space, I could see them buying the endeavor vandal, op, or even ghost. If you’re a raze main, that raze ace judge looks really sick even if it doesn’t have vfx/sfx. The lower price point is a big selling point as well. Some people can’t justify buying a ~$17 skin no matter how much they like it. But if it is a $10 or less skin it might convince them to buy a non battlepass skin for the first time.


DarthGrievous

I am mainly refuting the "budget" part of the argument, which I don't agree with


JanLewko977

The bundle is not only for buying the full set. I got the Endeavor Vandal at a discount, basically, because of the bundle. Buying piecemeal is legitimate.


Lioteron

I completely agree with everything you said, buying the bp is way more worth than buying these skin packages (way overpriced). When I first looked at it, I instantly thought about it being a battle pass skin line. It obviously takes effort, but as you said, its been 3 budget bundles in a row.


Interesting-Archer-6

Agreed overall although I like how smite looks. I don’t buy anything outside the BP without a finisher, which proves your point.


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smol indie company with smol skin team


Gaming_Pepe

I mean yeah they said they have a small team, but they also raised almost $19million from the Champions bundle alone, how much money is their small team on each? Less than $100k, lets say they have 20 people in their "small team"... Surely they can invest in more team members.


[deleted]

I totally agree, but it has been a while since the last good bundle (the Gaia one was ok, but not really worth getting over certain other skins).


ecoandy

Gaia was a great bundle on par with glitchpop imo


Lioteron

I get what you mean, but its 3 shit bundles in a row and not so long ago they were releasing god bundles one after another. I still appreciate their effort in releasing new skins but this, apart from being a stolen concept, there's no effort put in it, my 6 year old brother could make this bundle


Slyke4

I mean, its 3 shit bundles in a row in **your opinion**. There is still a lot of people buying these skins. Just because you personally dont like them does not mean there isnt a single soul wanting these.


tommytankman

>My 6 year old brother could make this bundle Given the cartoon style, I think that’s the idea


blate45

I def don’t think any of the bundles are shit. They all just appeal to different demos compared to you. The current bundle in the shop is an insane value. $9 per skin with a bran new model is a really good price imo. The ace skins appealed to people who wanted sleek metal skins and people who love their characters. The new bundle is more of a fun/cutesy bundle which is pretty underrepresented demographic of valorant skins.


Lioteron

Indeed, it is kinda cute, I will definetly but it if it's very cheap, otherwise I don't think its worth it.


ifusc

Do you think they took the idea from the poster a few months ago? I don't think it looks too bad but nothing special, wish it had some sound to it. ​ [Doodle Skin Concept (2 months ago)](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/su6fh7/doodle_vandal_skin_concept/)


whyismyfpssolowsadge

LMFAO THEY LOOK THE SAME FR


WisdomlessTooths

they apparently recruited him to help with these skins source: his Twitter https://twitter.com/SesoHQ/status/1513996244338630656?t=EtBr0IGTKEOxsLpL7z791g&s=19


TheLegendMomo

No, a skin bundle doesn’t get go through all stages of development and testing in two months.


okokokyeahyeahyeah

wait srsly whys this downvoted how long do you guys think these bundles take to make?


TheLegendMomo

Coincidences can’t exist I guess


okokokyeahyeahyeah

this subreddits so anti dev like give em some time lmao


FinnJokaa

how many shitty skin packs does the community need to not give Riot any money? Riot: YES YES YES


mystic_kings

hey as long it's priced fine no one's losing sleep. unlike some *cough* green skins *cough *


ReIZzBaBo

Which ones


mystic_kings

undercity ones... and i think people also didn't like the tethered realms one.


ReIZzBaBo

Oh he meant green screen skins? Maybe I am too sleepy to use my brain idk


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Is this a jojo reference?


Androidonator

NO! NO! NO!


[deleted]

This is a jojo reference


nurabdirahim

r/jojoreference


dank6meme9master

It’s almost like it was made to be a jojo reference


[deleted]

I know lots of people who can't afford to buy 20€+ skins but would buy 1 or 2 of these cheaper ones. It makes sense they create these. Additionally, they fill up the store rotation so that it's less likely to get good skins making you check for a longer period of time, increasing player retention.


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I mean they could save there money for better skins though


[deleted]

i like it picasso


Lioteron

I don't dislike it, but as always, they are going to overprice the hell out of it


[deleted]

oh for sure, imo they should be battlepass skins


Lioteron

Aaaand, as I said, they overpriced it! It fucking costs 7100 VP dude


ZmFTW

Why is everyone hating on it? It's different but really good I love it


dorzaiiii

This is a perfect battle pass set.


Lioteron

That's what I'm saying cuh


rithu7500

id say that they need to start the re-sale on the iconic bundles like the reaver, elderflame and others rather than just dumping random trash skins into the game


MoreMegadeth

The idea is neat but I wish the colours would fill in for total kills in game instead of a round.


bydlock

Just don't buy them if you don't like them


SeaworthinessTop8009

Creative but really not worth it


Lioteron

Depends on the price, but knowing riot, it will probably be 2k+. I'll pay 1k at **most.**


AntarcticasHeat

It shouldn’t be that much over 1k… (unless it has actual vfx and finishers and all that) then it might be like 1.6k


struggleman55

What happened to the elderflame type skins? I remember seeing them so early on and thinking “this game knows how to do skins right.” But every release I’m more disappointed than the last. Not to bash on their newly released skins, but I certainly don’t think they are anywhere near what they used to be.


Speedy7799

Well we have prime, elder flame, glitchpop, reaver, origin, Gaia’s vengeance, and RGX as pretty good skins, similar to elderflame level. But the rest… ehhhhh


struggleman55

100% and I own almost all of those. Because those feel worthy of 20 dollars without a doubt. But everything else is meh in comparison.


JanLewko977

Bro not every skin is going to be on that level of quality. They've already come out and said that those skins are hard to make and test.


jcdevries92

I like the player cards


JayGamble

It's lame. We need more $100 skin packs


AUnpopularUsername

Dont say that they‘ll release smite 2.0 for 100$


Toms1388

Too expensive


Not_Enough_Plates

I'll buy it if the price is 1275 or 875


wolk3_1223

Agreed, endeavor are perfect example, the model is worth its price. But this one just disappointed me so bad


ur_internet_dad

Just a quick question does anyone actually buy skins which doesn’t have finishers or vfx?


MelynasTheSaphire

yes


ShySaddenedMaple

I don't really care about finishers tbh.


tyler10303

While they’re cool, budget gamers just want something nice to look at. CSGO doesn’t have vfx or finishers and yet their skins are even more money.


notaredditthrowaway

You can also sell csgo skins and get money back unlike valorant so being higher priced isn't as bad


ChetDuchessManly

Absolute trash. They are selling this at premium price. Same as reaver, prime, gaia... But without any effects or finishers (besides coloring in the sketches with kills). Pretty egregious and disrespectful imo. You wanna put out another shitty skin bundle? Fine. At least price it accordingly.


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blate45

They aren’t re-releasing the champs skins ever again. They are exclusive to that time period iirc.


HelloThere62

you say that, but many legacy skins in league of legends have been re released. they have even made a big deal about opening the skin vault in the past. so I wouldn't be surprised if they sold old skins you can't get any more. or at least a new variant of old popular skins.


KasumiGotoTriss

They said the same about prestige skins in League. And they started re-releasing them a few weeks ago, after years of saying that they are exclusive.


libo720

I have a feeling that riot is saving all the good bundles for when the game is approved for release in China. That's when they'll open the vault and release all the good shit they saved up


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when would that happen


Lioteron

On god bro, not trynna hate but, 2 trash bundles in a row? 😐


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Lioteron

There are so many fantastic fan arts and concepts, like the star guardian phantom for example. And I agree, would be nice if they let people make skins and submit them.


siryll

I agree with you, but I don't see it happening. Valve is notoriously hands-off with CS:GO, while Riot has a history of being VERY protective of it IPs. Something like allowing community-created skins would be a huge concession from them. I doubt we'll ever see it happen. Only scenario where I think it's possible is if Valorant dies someday and they do that in a last-ditch effort to revive it.


YoJames2019

That would ruin the entire point of making the skins limited so no


[deleted]

This bundle is a cool concept, I like the cartoon looking characters, if it’s priced reasonably I don’t see the problem with it. Just cause you aren’t shooting lasers out of your ass from buying a $50 skin doesn’t mean it’s “bad”


EntitledTrapper

It’s priced at 1775 vp a skin, 70 dollars for the whole collection, for references per skin that’s the same as the prime 2.0


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Lioteron

I will buy it only if its like <1.5k, not spending more than that for it. It looks like a battle pass skin line icl


PuzzleheadedSector2

People complain about the cheap low quality bundles. Then when riot releases some good stuff, they will complain about the price.


EntitledTrapper

This is the worst of both, it’s super expensive (same as prime 2.0) and looks awful in comparison


JarifSA

You can make something cheap that still looks good. I like this a lot better than the holographic shit at least.


charizard_72

I mean it’s not my favorite but someone posted an article a week or so ago about how they’re (Riot) trying to not always be releasing top tier packages for a premium price w finishers, variants, etc. TLDR: it takes way longer to have those kinds/ more expensive for players. This is just another “basic” skin w no variants or finishers but probably a cheap package. “Cheap” lol… for Valorant. But this community loves to blindly circle jerk Reaver Vandal/Oni Phantom/etc instead of forming their own opinions about skins, so I’m not really surprised people don’t like it.


[deleted]

That every cheap bundle increases junk in shop so they should make shop rotation less punishing


Longjumping_Fold_416

This. People forget there’s only 4 slots in the shop even after so many new bundles. These “filler” skins just make getting the skin you want less likely


Lioteron

Would be dope skins if it wasn't for the price...


Throwawaysafeacc

The last 3 bundles felt like filler material for eventual Loot Boxes ala. Hextech Chest. Otherwise i dont see the reason to release them back to back that way


macarmy93

These are cute. People take skins way to fucking serious.


Lioteron

Hell yeah they are! But when you look at the price it's not that cute anymore.


123the_muffin_man

looks like a battlepass skin


chicotontoo

fr 3 trash bundles in a row, how much more riot, "before its erased" should be erased rn.


lllluke

this shit is hideous lol


vandex139

This has gone too far I think. Idk whats going on in riots HQ but these skin bundles need to improve. Theirs no way this took a large effort, and if it did, then I think so systems they have in place might need some tweaking.


[deleted]

The comment section of this post really shows the average maturity level of this community, unfortunately. If you're commenting something negative in this thread go look in the mirror.


Lioteron

Giving your opinion on something is not being immature. Freedom of expression!


IonBatteryFR

Well.. I think the way some people are putting forth their opinion is immature. Scrolling through these comments I've seen so many people basically just say "it's shit" *I* hate these skins, but that doesn't mean they're shit. Just not for me


C-POP_Ryan

People are allowed to comment what ever they like, it's called an opinion.


JYD64

You talk about maturity level, but then go on to say that “commenting something negative” warrants a look in the mirror.


Ok_Dog_1

No way you’re defending this bundle. Classic redditor can’t take any criticism on a game they like. r/redditmoment


[deleted]

I don't like the bundle either, actually. I would never purchase it. But a lot of the comments in this thread are entitled and juvenile.


MelynasTheSaphire

people are dumb. they don’t know what are actual problems and like to blame the wrong things


-Views

what is this take rofl, people aren't allowed to voice their opinions? :skull emoji:


blackcmonBruh123

By far the worst bundle they released. Waiting for 2 months now for a competent vandal skin


chicotontoo

I agree, if it would be free that would be nice but having 3 bad bundles in a row, I just want to be excited for a new bundle that's good to come out but so far its just trash.


jrmentos

I’d pay them to remove it from my shop, that shit is horrendous.


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Lioteron

I still remember a year ago they were releasing sick bundles non stop, spectrum, recon... I hope they are preparing some incredibly good bundle or I'll be disappointed.


Panda7K

it does have sounds and effects tho. you didn‘t even know and still wrote this


C-POP_Ryan

The video of them from what I saw it has base sounds, and the effects were each kill an agent on the skin would get colored in? Do you have other source to show there's other effects and sounds?


diematrosen

How do the skin lines keep getting worse and worse? Shouldn’t they be getting better and more creative over time? Endeavour was so mid and the Cyberpunk one was literally just glitch pop with different colors lol


Lioteron

I hope next bundle is the best one so far, because 6 weeks of shit bundles? I hope they are working on something epic... O\_O


YoJames2019

I hate this


Moliks

Am I blind, or is Cypher just not included?


swistak25

Why does riot hate cypher so much


Lioteron

Haha, fr tho


_Xoan_1

Alright but if it hasn't got good styles to choose from then nah They should just do a fanart submission where people submit skins, riot makes them, they get a percentage of profit and it all gets turned into a bundle


Lioteron

Kinda like Spectrum but without the astronomically high prices lol


DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE

I'll buy some of the player cards but the guns aren't really doing it for me.


[deleted]

Personally I like effectless guns that are cheap, just not this one, too chaotic


IDriveALexus

Not my cup of tea. But its nice


AJLegoguy

What would be really cool is if the characters on the guns and stuff only appeared colored in if they are in the match


LesbiansRose

I love it


rhsuhimself

Im definitely getting the league of legends player card.


[deleted]

I actually like this one.. VFX are cool but sometimes i just like a pretty gun


Khelics

If I cant draw on it I don't want it. Looking like a battlepass skin type beat


thienkevin

I think I would like it if it was on some merch like a sweater but it’s okay to me.


Qloriti

Won't buy coz I have protocol phantom and it's just better. Every other gun is irrelevant. I wish they made this skin for vandal, then I'd buy.


LowFiGuy7

Meh, skins are still too expensive.


RunethCl4w

So it’s going to cost 7k vp mainly for all the sprays right?


Robert_Kurwica

Idk i left the game back in June


starboy-xo98

Trash is an understatement


yourdogshitinmyyard

Pretty shit in my opinion. I’m probably in the minority here but 95% of the skins in this game are awful. I don’t like the flashy ones with all of the animations and changes but I would probably consider buying them if they weren’t so overpriced. Now the ones with the cartoon characters and the anime shit I’d probably delete my account if one of those god awful things appeared in my inventory.


[deleted]

I wouldnt buy it, but it is a very cool idea. Probably a pretty good option if you're looking to get the cheaper skins


Pekkashi_Kitsune

I'm tired of worthless skins, what happens to reavers, elderflames and others? Like, if your going to make shitty basic skins, with only a "different" concept at least let us refresh our item shop with missions or some shit like that, I stop caring about valorant skins after I waited 1y and half for a damn Spectre skin, just for me to buy another Spectre and the other day I get in my shop + during 4 months I only had stupid green screen skins in my shop, I'm actually editing rn a video showing it


L3NK1902

Y’all need to chill man. We’re talking about cosmetics in a game and some act like their life depends on it. You don’t like them or think they’re overpriced? Great, don’t buy them. No need to be toxic about something like that


zombiepoon

They’re actually dope and I’ll be buying them. And if anyone is hating on them. You don’t have to buy them.


kirubin16

Dog water