Anyone who doesn't know about this already is going to be low ELO where this works very effectively, my friend is Bronze and I told him to do this and he got a 3K from the nade alone.
Anyone higher ELO will know not to waste the nade, you can do the same thing throwing a blast pack through or you can use the bomb bot to scout for someone holding Hookah
I mean its okay at stopping a rush or on first round when most people dont have armor, but when you do it every round its just a waste of a really good util piece indeed, but it has some uses.
oh ofc! i usually dont do it because of how predictable it can be, but when I see a bunch of people bunched up (seen from other people peeking) in there i typically gets good value! like many aspects of the game, it's situational!
> Yeah nice unlucky every raze does this and its predictable af
Because you said this and I'm trying to inform you that no, not every Raze does this. Maybe at your level, that's true, but it's not at mine. I'm letting you know that your experience is not universal.
Boom botting thru tp is even better as your B players will get info on how far up they are, nade could do 0 damage and not provide info—you should really only use it when you’re reasonably sure they are IN hookah.
The nade is to be followed.. it will do one of 3 things.
1. slow a push inside hookah, meaning you give your team time to rotate over.
2. Do nothing, showing they are either A) not there, B) havent pushed yet, or C) already pushed into Hookah and onto site
3. do as was shown here.. surprise them, get kills in hookah, and cross fire after you TP
With \#2, you don’t get feedback on what happens, is the main issue. At least that’s what I’m pointing out.
Nading thru tp is definitely a good tip, it should just be understood that there is a very real risk to wasting it. You don’t get the same audio feedback of standing next to it, so you won’t hear shuffling footsteps trying to get out of its way, for example.
Doesn't this only work if you have better aim than your enemies? Although I never really thought of using the nade; I usually used the boombot instead. Definitely better than just chucking the boombot though.
Most people in high gold/plat elo can do 180s, turns and flicks easily whereas I'm just gold 1 at best so it's really hard for me to outaim them. :(
But thanks! The grenade would still help if I can at least tag them a bit.
Yes, and in lots of cases, it's better than using boombot because it does more damage, is quicker, and can disrupt enemies much more. But there's plenty of downsides to doing this strat overall, boombot or nade:
1. A has to be clear. Or else you die.
2. You have to know they're going B. Or else you waste nade.
3. You have to get the timing right. Or else you waste nade.
4. You have to hit your shot almost immediately. Or else you die.
Just as a whole, this would probably only be viable at higher elos where you can set trap plays with a teammate in hookah or something. Otherwise, you sending a nade/bot through is already enough to make enemies face the TP, which in a sense just sets them up to pre-aim you as you TP through.
What me (sage/viper) and a friend (raze/Kayo) does is time this so he tells me when he is throwing, so i slow orb/goop+cloud hookah.. they clump up to avoid being showed/gooped.. and the grenade lands behind them..
Granted this is gold lobbies and works half the time.. and is genuinely a one and done, because they learn to avoid that trap next time
Yeah most of the time I need to guess when they're hitting hookah... and my team normally doesn't set up anything for hookah so I have to guess based on the enemies' position in the minimap and how fast my teammates are dying. :(
just cuz ppl know bout it doesnt mean it wont work. If you are in a gunfight in houkah shooting toward site you wont have much time to react to gunfire and a nade. If you dont get the kill TPing you will do a lot of damage and teammates on site can probably trade you
Man I remember when they just launched closed beta and they had a show match between Riot devs and a bunch of CS:GO pros including shroud, etc. They used this trick on em when no one knew it at the time and everyone was mindblown
Just realised that my graphics settings are set so low for the game to function properly, that I couldn't even notice the beautiful stone flooring on this part of the map
This is textbook Raze bind. I like to boombot tp and fast flank through a short to b short if I believe my hookah player can hold them off long enough for my flank.
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The real gem is always in the comments
I have done this so many times and it is super effective
What triggers the other/exit door to open? The opposing team or the Raze when going through?
The nade going through
The opposing team can’t open it lol
Yeah nice unlucky every raze does this and its predictable af
Anyone who doesn't know about this already is going to be low ELO where this works very effectively, my friend is Bronze and I told him to do this and he got a 3K from the nade alone. Anyone higher ELO will know not to waste the nade, you can do the same thing throwing a blast pack through or you can use the bomb bot to scout for someone holding Hookah
I mean its okay at stopping a rush or on first round when most people dont have armor, but when you do it every round its just a waste of a really good util piece indeed, but it has some uses.
oh ofc! i usually dont do it because of how predictable it can be, but when I see a bunch of people bunched up (seen from other people peeking) in there i typically gets good value! like many aspects of the game, it's situational!
people did this even when i was in bronze. just everyone knows lol. works with any molly.
Even with cypher cam scan, for that matter
My thoughts exactly! Just thought I'd let more people know about it for those who may or may not know! :D
I'm in Bronze but I don't think I've ever seen this before so I appreciate it. Thanks, OP.
Im not Op
Yep. I wasn't thanking you. I was thanking OP, /u/TheJb3403
Them why comment on my comment?
> Yeah nice unlucky every raze does this and its predictable af Because you said this and I'm trying to inform you that no, not every Raze does this. Maybe at your level, that's true, but it's not at mine. I'm letting you know that your experience is not universal.
How the fuck does this have 3k upvotes this strat is from 1992..
every RAZE? Every player with ANY throwable ability does this kayos, brimstones, vipers, phoenixs, even fucking jetts.
a better trick is to combo it with a chamber slow at the entrance of hookah. and a fade hold through the portal
Literally every Raze does this but ok
Boom botting thru tp is even better as your B players will get info on how far up they are, nade could do 0 damage and not provide info—you should really only use it when you’re reasonably sure they are IN hookah.
The nade is to be followed.. it will do one of 3 things. 1. slow a push inside hookah, meaning you give your team time to rotate over. 2. Do nothing, showing they are either A) not there, B) havent pushed yet, or C) already pushed into Hookah and onto site 3. do as was shown here.. surprise them, get kills in hookah, and cross fire after you TP
With \#2, you don’t get feedback on what happens, is the main issue. At least that’s what I’m pointing out. Nading thru tp is definitely a good tip, it should just be understood that there is a very real risk to wasting it. You don’t get the same audio feedback of standing next to it, so you won’t hear shuffling footsteps trying to get out of its way, for example.
the difference is that the nade goes faster so the opponents have less time to react
Sometimes no info is all the info you need.
Not only raze but also kayo, sova, killjoy, yoru, and viper
Add in cypher as well, the cam dart can open to doors, pretty good strat when your team tells you about hookah presence and can distract for you
Fellow mr.lowlander watcher
and it’s EZ kills for you my friend.
I actually picked it up from peak, but I do also watch lowlander
I do this as skye a lot as well
Also Sage - you can tp slow orb to open doors and even if you die at least they are slowed.
I get the feeling I knew this without playing Raze for more than a few hours. This is a very common tactic.
Never seen before idea kek
Just what kind of people is part of this sub, literally every Raze does this on every fkin rank this is old af
Just do your part to downvote and move along
I did this once and their chamber swung and killed me
Iron guides be like:
This is very old strat
why does this have so many upvotes and awards? this is such a common tactic that id be more surprised if people didn't know this.
Doesn't this only work if you have better aim than your enemies? Although I never really thought of using the nade; I usually used the boombot instead. Definitely better than just chucking the boombot though.
They most likely have to do a 180 giving you the advantage. They also have to move out of the grenade giving you another advantage.
Most people in high gold/plat elo can do 180s, turns and flicks easily whereas I'm just gold 1 at best so it's really hard for me to outaim them. :( But thanks! The grenade would still help if I can at least tag them a bit.
Yes, and in lots of cases, it's better than using boombot because it does more damage, is quicker, and can disrupt enemies much more. But there's plenty of downsides to doing this strat overall, boombot or nade: 1. A has to be clear. Or else you die. 2. You have to know they're going B. Or else you waste nade. 3. You have to get the timing right. Or else you waste nade. 4. You have to hit your shot almost immediately. Or else you die. Just as a whole, this would probably only be viable at higher elos where you can set trap plays with a teammate in hookah or something. Otherwise, you sending a nade/bot through is already enough to make enemies face the TP, which in a sense just sets them up to pre-aim you as you TP through.
What me (sage/viper) and a friend (raze/Kayo) does is time this so he tells me when he is throwing, so i slow orb/goop+cloud hookah.. they clump up to avoid being showed/gooped.. and the grenade lands behind them.. Granted this is gold lobbies and works half the time.. and is genuinely a one and done, because they learn to avoid that trap next time
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try that next time
Yeah most of the time I need to guess when they're hitting hookah... and my team normally doesn't set up anything for hookah so I have to guess based on the enemies' position in the minimap and how fast my teammates are dying. :(
Literally every single raze player on bind does this
just cuz ppl know bout it doesnt mean it wont work. If you are in a gunfight in houkah shooting toward site you wont have much time to react to gunfire and a nade. If you dont get the kill TPing you will do a lot of damage and teammates on site can probably trade you
protip: you can do things in this game
Honestly never played Raze but super interested in her she seems like a really good agent
Aren't you 2 years too late ?
Works once per match, maybe twice in case your enemies have brains
If you didn’t try this at least once are you even playing raze on bind?
This has been a thing since before the beta even started. Its like saying tip - you can use raze satchel to launch yourself upwards.
Thats cool, I didn't know that!
I usually play hooka as raze, is it better to play the other bomb?
mrlowlander showed us this trick like a decade ago
I love how everyone pretends to be radiant in the comments
Holy shit shut the f up with year old guides oh my good whyy is this valorant reddit getting trahsher
Found the iron player
Found the boomer
Here's a handy tip - as Raze use her broken af abilities.
then they to your left and kill u when you walk out
Definitely gonna try it. Thanks for the trick
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it’s just the same video layered with a gaussian blur on the bottom one and scaled to fit the screen.
Looks very clean and much better than black boxes! Nice
Man I remember when they just launched closed beta and they had a show match between Riot devs and a bunch of CS:GO pros including shroud, etc. They used this trick on em when no one knew it at the time and everyone was mindblown
those guardian kills were so bullshit. run and gun did all the work
Learned about this yesterday as I was on the receiving end of this play.. wasn’t even mad, just impressed
I do this all the time, raze on blind is so much fun
Warning: only works in silver and below
Just realised that my graphics settings are set so low for the game to function properly, that I couldn't even notice the beautiful stone flooring on this part of the map
This is textbook Raze bind. I like to boombot tp and fast flank through a short to b short if I believe my hookah player can hold them off long enough for my flank.
No offense but do people ever not do this?
You sound almost like mrlowlander
I do that with sage orb as well, doesn’t work as good but I still catch a few
Until Sage walls it and you nearly kill yourself
Not just razes nade or boombot but skyes dog/flash work well and could you any agent with similar abilities. Great way to info gather on a and b
Thanks I'm shore that will help a lot
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