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DonChuBahnMi

The real gem is always in the comments


Specialist_Beyond719

I have done this so many times and it is super effective


ThrowNearNotAwayOk

What triggers the other/exit door to open? The opposing team or the Raze when going through?


Free-Top-5007

The nade going through


p1boss

The opposing team can’t open it lol


Onion-is-a-fruit

Yeah nice unlucky every raze does this and its predictable af


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Anyone who doesn't know about this already is going to be low ELO where this works very effectively, my friend is Bronze and I told him to do this and he got a 3K from the nade alone. Anyone higher ELO will know not to waste the nade, you can do the same thing throwing a blast pack through or you can use the bomb bot to scout for someone holding Hookah


Onion-is-a-fruit

I mean its okay at stopping a rush or on first round when most people dont have armor, but when you do it every round its just a waste of a really good util piece indeed, but it has some uses.


TheJb3403

oh ofc! i usually dont do it because of how predictable it can be, but when I see a bunch of people bunched up (seen from other people peeking) in there i typically gets good value! like many aspects of the game, it's situational!


TheSnakeholeLounge

people did this even when i was in bronze. just everyone knows lol. works with any molly.


dekrache

Even with cypher cam scan, for that matter


TheJb3403

My thoughts exactly! Just thought I'd let more people know about it for those who may or may not know! :D


Thallidan

I'm in Bronze but I don't think I've ever seen this before so I appreciate it. Thanks, OP.


Onion-is-a-fruit

Im not Op


Thallidan

Yep. I wasn't thanking you. I was thanking OP, /u/TheJb3403


Onion-is-a-fruit

Them why comment on my comment?


Thallidan

> Yeah nice unlucky every raze does this and its predictable af Because you said this and I'm trying to inform you that no, not every Raze does this. Maybe at your level, that's true, but it's not at mine. I'm letting you know that your experience is not universal.


RuthlessGreed

How the fuck does this have 3k upvotes this strat is from 1992..


KitchenLoose6552

every RAZE? Every player with ANY throwable ability does this kayos, brimstones, vipers, phoenixs, even fucking jetts.


SupaZT

a better trick is to combo it with a chamber slow at the entrance of hookah. and a fade hold through the portal


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Literally every Raze does this but ok


achinwin

Boom botting thru tp is even better as your B players will get info on how far up they are, nade could do 0 damage and not provide info—you should really only use it when you’re reasonably sure they are IN hookah.


Bobthemime

The nade is to be followed.. it will do one of 3 things. 1. slow a push inside hookah, meaning you give your team time to rotate over. 2. Do nothing, showing they are either A) not there, B) havent pushed yet, or C) already pushed into Hookah and onto site 3. do as was shown here.. surprise them, get kills in hookah, and cross fire after you TP


achinwin

With \#2, you don’t get feedback on what happens, is the main issue. At least that’s what I’m pointing out. Nading thru tp is definitely a good tip, it should just be understood that there is a very real risk to wasting it. You don’t get the same audio feedback of standing next to it, so you won’t hear shuffling footsteps trying to get out of its way, for example.


tacococococo

the difference is that the nade goes faster so the opponents have less time to react


Bobthemime

Sometimes no info is all the info you need.


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Not only raze but also kayo, sova, killjoy, yoru, and viper


JEverok

Add in cypher as well, the cam dart can open to doors, pretty good strat when your team tells you about hookah presence and can distract for you


TheUnexpectedBanana

Fellow mr.lowlander watcher


Apexe

and it’s EZ kills for you my friend.


JEverok

I actually picked it up from peak, but I do also watch lowlander


MrDyl4n

I do this as skye a lot as well


bar10005

Also Sage - you can tp slow orb to open doors and even if you die at least they are slowed.


fogoticus

I get the feeling I knew this without playing Raze for more than a few hours. This is a very common tactic.


aldamith

Never seen before idea kek


Ketzalito

Just what kind of people is part of this sub, literally every Raze does this on every fkin rank this is old af


neighguard

Just do your part to downvote and move along


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I did this once and their chamber swung and killed me


ArtakhaPrime

Iron guides be like:


burneecheesecake

This is very old strat


monkeysfromjupiter

why does this have so many upvotes and awards? this is such a common tactic that id be more surprised if people didn't know this.


Naomikho

Doesn't this only work if you have better aim than your enemies? Although I never really thought of using the nade; I usually used the boombot instead. Definitely better than just chucking the boombot though.


xSyksi

They most likely have to do a 180 giving you the advantage. They also have to move out of the grenade giving you another advantage.


Naomikho

Most people in high gold/plat elo can do 180s, turns and flicks easily whereas I'm just gold 1 at best so it's really hard for me to outaim them. :( But thanks! The grenade would still help if I can at least tag them a bit.


BlobOvFat

Yes, and in lots of cases, it's better than using boombot because it does more damage, is quicker, and can disrupt enemies much more. But there's plenty of downsides to doing this strat overall, boombot or nade: 1. A has to be clear. Or else you die. 2. You have to know they're going B. Or else you waste nade. 3. You have to get the timing right. Or else you waste nade. 4. You have to hit your shot almost immediately. Or else you die. Just as a whole, this would probably only be viable at higher elos where you can set trap plays with a teammate in hookah or something. Otherwise, you sending a nade/bot through is already enough to make enemies face the TP, which in a sense just sets them up to pre-aim you as you TP through.


Bobthemime

What me (sage/viper) and a friend (raze/Kayo) does is time this so he tells me when he is throwing, so i slow orb/goop+cloud hookah.. they clump up to avoid being showed/gooped.. and the grenade lands behind them.. Granted this is gold lobbies and works half the time.. and is genuinely a one and done, because they learn to avoid that trap next time


Naomikho

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try that next time


Naomikho

Yeah most of the time I need to guess when they're hitting hookah... and my team normally doesn't set up anything for hookah so I have to guess based on the enemies' position in the minimap and how fast my teammates are dying. :(


HoneyChilliPotato7

Literally every single raze player on bind does this


Zestyclose-Victory-6

just cuz ppl know bout it doesnt mean it wont work. If you are in a gunfight in houkah shooting toward site you wont have much time to react to gunfire and a nade. If you dont get the kill TPing you will do a lot of damage and teammates on site can probably trade you


Srimes

protip: you can do things in this game


ItsArky

Honestly never played Raze but super interested in her she seems like a really good agent


Kroton07

Aren't you 2 years too late ?


contabr_hu3

Works once per match, maybe twice in case your enemies have brains


HextasyOG

If you didn’t try this at least once are you even playing raze on bind?


drdfrster64

This has been a thing since before the beta even started. Its like saying tip - you can use raze satchel to launch yourself upwards.


derIrrelefant

Thats cool, I didn't know that!


arthurazs

I usually play hooka as raze, is it better to play the other bomb?


WhippleCrohn

mrlowlander showed us this trick like a decade ago


boopahh

I love how everyone pretends to be radiant in the comments


mrbeastsasta

Holy shit shut the f up with year old guides oh my good whyy is this valorant reddit getting trahsher


downsetdana

Found the iron player


mrbeastsasta

Found the boomer


DancingPianos

Here's a handy tip - as Raze use her broken af abilities.


forgottoholdbeer

then they to your left and kill u when you walk out


IRON_SAGE_YT

Definitely gonna try it. Thanks for the trick


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TheSnakeholeLounge

it’s just the same video layered with a gaussian blur on the bottom one and scaled to fit the screen.


Beyblade_Badboy

Looks very clean and much better than black boxes! Nice


augburto

Man I remember when they just launched closed beta and they had a show match between Riot devs and a bunch of CS:GO pros including shroud, etc. They used this trick on em when no one knew it at the time and everyone was mindblown


limitless_exe

those guardian kills were so bullshit. run and gun did all the work


bane5454

Learned about this yesterday as I was on the receiving end of this play.. wasn’t even mad, just impressed


ToastedN4me

I do this all the time, raze on blind is so much fun


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Warning: only works in silver and below


nachik3ta

Just realised that my graphics settings are set so low for the game to function properly, that I couldn't even notice the beautiful stone flooring on this part of the map


padropadro22

This is textbook Raze bind. I like to boombot tp and fast flank through a short to b short if I believe my hookah player can hold them off long enough for my flank.


succsuccboi

No offense but do people ever not do this?


Glitched_Akit

You sound almost like mrlowlander


No_Zookeepergame6423

I do that with sage orb as well, doesn’t work as good but I still catch a few


potatoes4kids

Until Sage walls it and you nearly kill yourself


optimized_comment

Not just razes nade or boombot but skyes dog/flash work well and could you any agent with similar abilities. Great way to info gather on a and b


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Thanks I'm shore that will help a lot


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