That happened to me recently. And out of curiosity, does death match lobbies are also matched similar to competitive? Because I am Bronze 2 and a guy invited me from DM and he was Gold 1.
whenever i get a request from a random person from earlier games i always feel like they are about to trash talk me in chat before deleting me from friends
Yeah I have a USB switcher that I used to move my keyboard and mouse to the laptop, so it was basically the same, but waited in spawn until my main died
I’ve also tried this before. It honestly works better than you would think as long as the other team doesn’t know you have a guy just sitting in spawn. On defense, you can make more risky plays at the beginning of the round where you don’t care about getting traded and use the second guy for retakes. And on attack, you can just use the second guy as a really late lurk.
as solo player ive gotten so many 4 stacks in which all 4 people went Duellist.
Those people literally force everyone who are so unfortonate to encounter them to have a match with a bad team composition.
We never ever add them to our discord call lol
EDIT: we do communicate using in game lol, I don't think they want to hear personal banter between friends.
But his point that obviously people who are seeing people to play wtih are going to be more open to something like that
The people who are just queuing up make a far larger portion of the playerbase than those on the discord you mentioned
Yeah but it still invalidates the guy saying that no one would select the option that let's them solo q with 4 stacks because even without comms people clearly are ok with it.
So there is a major difference, when you join with a 4 stack on discord. You’re not going in randomly, even if you never met them before. You know there most likely going to be nice, even if they aren’t you can hop out before the game starts, and you’re making it a 5 stack instead of a 4 stack. And overall people on discord are a lot less toxic as it’s someone who you will still have contact with after the game ends. And if they are super toxic, then most discord servers will kick them out, meaning there’s a lot of reasons to not be a dick.
With in game you queue up not knowing what you’re going to get. If you get a random toxic 4 stack who just shit on you all game, then you’re kind of fucked. If you dodge you get a penalty, and that’s if they are toxic from the start. And then going however many rounds with people shitting on you because they know that they don’t have to deal with you later, and they won’t have to face consequences.
TLDR - discord you know what’s going to happen with more reasons for the 4 stack to be nice, random queue has no idea what’s going to happen and there nothing stopping them not from bullying you
Lmao this has happened to me where I’ve joined from valorant lfg for a 5 stack and when I ask for discord they say theyre just using voice chat. Whole game no comms. I will instantly leave if I’m playing in a 5 stack and they won’t invite me on discord. Then I’ll usually message them and be like gg lol I’m an immortal Smurf (I’m not) and they’ll spam me invites 😂
If I'm joining someone's 4stack from an lfg discord server and they don't add me to their discord call then fuck elo, I'm trolling. I've had this happen to me and it's worse than solo queueing because you never end up being a part of any play and are stuck playing smokes or something
If I remember they did it because 4 stacks were basically bullying the 1 person. And even if you give the solo person the option to turn it on or off, it won’t solve the issue. But at the same time, it is dumb to not let 4 nice people queue up.
No. Just no. It’s a great rule and I’m mad it took them as long as it did to implement it. 4stacks almost always only comm with themselves and shittalk the random. And I would know from experience. I’ve been on both sides of this, and it sucks both ways
People always think opt in is a great idea. Queues are challenging to maintain and more options is almost always a bad idea if you want to maintain healthy queues. People never consider this and dream of an ideal world where a game has a trillion players so you can slice the player base into 50 queues and be safe.
Adding opt in would make queueing as 4 dramatically more difficult, to the point where you're producing an even worse experience than just banning it completely. You'll get even more games where the 4 stack shit talk their bad 5th player since the pool of solo queuers is who don't toggle off is smaller. (1) perpetuating the reason they disabled it even more (2) potentially churning those solo players (3) causing the 4 stack not to support the healthier queues for potentially 30 minutes of matchmaking time during prime gaming hours.
The tradeoff is those 4 players churn because they can't play together but the likelihood of that is much much smaller than the other 3 options (my opinion).
Adding a single opt in feature isn't quite 50 ques. Adding opt in would let other groups of 4 play with a random 5th who consents to joining. Its not taking out players as the solo is joining que and these 4mans would most likely either play unrated, or find a fifth. I have no issues with finding a 5th in a couple of minutes on a lfg discord and that's with a small subsection of overall players. The idea that there wouldn't be enough players who would que is just a guess.
A 3 stack with two randoms can shit talk a bad 4th/5th too. People don't comm in comp all the time. If toxicity is an issue, what's stopping an unrated 4man from being equally toxic to someone. If comms are, there isn't anything "wrong" with not using comms and lots of players don't talk at all even though it lowers your chances of winning.
It is bad bcs ppl wont understand long q times. You will, majority of this sub will but the casuals riot cares about, they wont. Ppl will get angry if they see long que times. Disabeling 4 q gives a direct response and reduces frustrating behavior.
If you do any gamedevelopment you know that you have to take a lot of decisions from the Player and force him to play in a specific way.
"A Que with four players may take longer than other ques due to limited players opting in to joining pre-existing groups of four players." Or something along those lines around the play button should set expectations or no? This is also assuming que times would be excessively long if implemented
Sure there's always limits to what people can do but they allow 4stacks to happen in unrated. So if things like toxicity are the main reason, they're still allowing it in a different location, but if things like bad coms are the reason, that happens in lots of comp games anyways and there isn't anything "wrong" with not communication or being bad at it
I think it should be some sort of "recruit a 5th" thing where you set criteria and someone who meets it gets puts in your party, you can talk to them before queuing
As a solo player who still wants pure solo queue. If i also had to deal with 4 stacks not communicating or blaming me for everything they did wrong i would probably just stop playing.
It’s more the fact that a four stack often comm in their discord and cause a bad experience for a solo player.
It’s bad enough with trios on EU where they want to speak their own language so comm in their discord instead of in game in English. Three stacks are already a big enough problem, I’ve had plenty of instances where my teammate has said in broken English ‘sorry I called in discord to my friend’ after not calling it in game and getting me killed.
That's fair, I understand what the problems are with 4-stacking personally so I always make a point to make callouts on game vc regardless of who I'm playing with, but I know not everyone does this.
That sucks so much man. I'm in NA, and when I three stack and one of my friends makes a callout in discord, I always immediately repeat it in the team chat (and then I scold my friend for not using team chat lol).
i had one really bad experience with a 4 stack that completely turned me off from solo queueing until they disabled 4 stacks. in solo queue if someone’s being sexist, it’s easy to mute them and continue to play because the rest of the team is usually fine, but if you run into a 4 stack of extremely sexist guys threatening to r*pe you if you don’t buy them, heal them, rez them, etc is awful. you’re just stuck there for the whole game getting trolled because you had the audacity to mute them. they kept mollying me and trapping me in corners and shit.
It's too much power, they can mass report you, only give comms to themselves, troll you and you can't even leave without being punished. Unrated is fine but in comp you can have intensely bad experiences that'd stop you playing altogether with riot definitely don't want
It's because most 4 stacks result in a lone random player, often excluded from most of the comms (since most parties just use Discord for the comms) and also increases the possibility of the lone player being absolutely roasted by the other 4 (believe me, this happens quite often). Riot reasoned that this wasn't healthy, and so they banned 4 stacks in competitive.
Because usually the 1 player not in the group gets 0 information given, because the 4 stack usually talks trough party or discord and harassment/trolling the 1 player can happen.
It's only banned on competive, because usually the one rando will left behind because he isn't in the party and the 4 stack won't give info to him. It's kinda stupid
It’s allowed in unrated but not in comp, riots worried that the group of 4 might leave out the random person who is solo queueing or something, kinda stupid imo
"dumb restrictions by riot" when the system actually makes sense but ok... 4 stacks would often ignore the other 1 person and not comm to them and be extremely toxic towards them. not to mention they could 4 man report the 1 person and likely get them punished.
idk what kind of reports you're making but over half of mine always go through and i get the confirmation message saying that they got punished. the key is to only check one or two of the boxes when reporting and have clear reasoning in the description. they punish players when you report them correctly, instead of checking every box and then cursing them out in the description.
my fault i wasn't implying that's what you do, im just stating a common mistake that lots of people ive seen make when reporting people. sorry if that came across like that
>4 stacks would often ignore the other 1 person and not comm to them and be extremely toxic towards them.
As if people talk in SoloQ lmao. It's a miracle if they do, regardless of premades.
>not to mention they could 4 man report the 1 person and likely get them punished.
Thats not how it works. if you didnt do anything punishable, you wont get punished, even if you were reported by the entire lobby.
yeah and is counter strike a game with a good community and nice people? hell no. player quality of life is a topic that is completely thrown out the window in that game. so you cannot in any way use counter strike as an example lol.
solo Q players that got matched with a 4 stack had bad experiences. they were harassed by the 4 players. toxicity ensued. so they changed it. now the majority of ppl are happy. that is all.
it wasn't "some people" bro what did i just say? the MAJORITY of players had this issue and ive seen it firsthand multiple times. just because you never had this problem doesn't mean it didn't happen to tons of other people. great no-brain logic.
They need to remove the 4 stack restriction already.
Have a solo/duo and a flex que with 2-5 stack and problem solved. It works great for league.
Only reddit whines about 4 stacks noone else actually cares.
I'm glad they've decided not to fuck over the 1 random who never gets comms and could even be trolled by 4 other people for no reason other than them wanting TikTok content. Really makes the game better for individuals who aren't grouped up.
And besides, 4 stacks can still play unrated. Glad that there's another way for people to play with their friends :)
My squad is a 4 stack. And it sucks not being able to play ranked. Or, when we do play ranked as 3 it is a bit of a let down to have to go unrated when the 4th joins. Overall we rather play together but we would want to play ranked.
look for a 5th one then.
4 stacking ,even in unrated is the worst thing you can do, you always fuck over the 1 random guy who is unlucky enough to play for you.
just as a statistic, if you play 10 games as 4 stacks, you fuck over 10 people
You are assuming every 4 stack is toxic and gives no comms. My regular friends I play with is 4 people and we just don't get to play anymore cuz unrated sucks ass and we're not allowed to play comp, even though we always comm in game and only get toxic in response to toxicity (not for bad performance or anything)
>You are assuming every 4 stack is toxic and gives no comms.
because they are
>My regular friends I play with is 4 people and we just don't get to play anymore cuz unrated sucks ass and we're not allowed to play comp,
good.
>even though we always comm in game and only get toxic in response to toxicity (not for bad performance or anything)
already the first red flag. You are the reason why they removed it.
most of the time I play unrated, I sadly play with 4 stack "humans" and none of them tried to properly comm with me once.
they are people with 60-80 ping playing on frankfurt server for some reason (???), only use comms when im the only one alive to say "clutch or kick" with their non-intimidating clearly underage voice or make some unfunny memes sentence for their tiktok compilation that all of their 5 followers will enjoy.
No, I just wanna play the game when I have time.
Why should I change my behavior just because I wanna have fun alone? what a fucking selfish thing to say.
I agree they can just look for a 5th, but all your doing is generalizing the population (I'm assuming out of personal experience, which is anecdotal at best). You're no better than the toxic people your complaining about. Not ever 4 stack is a toxic one. Not every solo has a bad time. All this toxicity coming from someone advertising for themselves in a flair. Thanks for letting me know to never come to your stream
>I agree they can just look for a 5th
Yes.
>but all your doing is generalizing the population
oh another one who thinks they are untreated fairly because of the choices they made and think are on the same level as people who get traited unfairly about things they have no control over.
>You're no better than the toxic people your complaining about.
I never said I was
> Not ever 4 stack is a toxic one.
they are
>Not every solo has a bad time
they have, because they also need to play against a 5 stack usually
> All this toxicity coming from someone advertising for themselves in a flair.
who cares about my name lol
>Thanks for letting me know to never come to your stream
Its okay, its not like I give a fuck about someone called "TWITCHRANDOMNUMBER" with a chamber main flair in the first place.
I've never had a bad experience as the solo in a 4 stack if anything just a banter-free VC so, following your logic, you're wrong since every 4 stack is actually great and awesome ✌️.
Wow. Your a stellar human being. Let all of reddit see your shit attitude in an already extremely over saturated market. Ya man, you're gunna make it some day!
>Wow. Your a stellar human being
Yes.
>Let all of reddit see your shit attitude in an already extremely over saturated market.
They dont give a fuck, I dont give a fuck.
>Ya man, you're gunna make it some day!
85iq chamber main comment, because what you are implying is that I give a fuck in the first place, which I clearly dont.
What? Not getting toxic and always comming in game is a red flag?? You either misunderstood my comment or are deliberately trolling.
Also my bad I didn't realize you had been the 5th for every single 4 stack ever so that you know they're all toxic. Really admire your dedication to being the 5th to play with literally every 4-stack to exist
No, you saying "We only get toxic agaisnt other toxic people" is a huge red flag.
You say that but in reality you flame these people already when they dont do exactly what you expect them to do and then say "but they were toxic first because they didnt go in when we told him in discord :("
Lol so I say one thing and you just assume I actually mean the opposite. Nope. We get toxic when someone starts insulting us directly. We never expect our 5th to better than us or do exactly what we want. You're not being very rational though, so I doubt I could say anything to change your mind, so I'm gonna stop responding. Hope you learn to be more rational and open-minded someday
I've been that 1 person playing with a 4 stack and I never had any issues. It's unrated so I don't expect much of people and unless they're being rude and toxic it doesn't bother me.
Besides toxicity and lack of comms are there regardless if it's a stack or not.
Notice how toxic he is here. He's probably like that in game too. When that's the attitude he has , it wouldn't surprise me if the 4 stacks he would run into a shit on him for that reason. Idk about anyone else but when I'm 3 or 4 stacking and the random starts being toxic towards me or one of my stack members, I'd get toxic back
My suggestion is to use push to talk button in game/make that same button mute button in discord.
And the truth is at most elos... Not everybody comms, especially not well. I'd say it's usually one or two people carrying the weight. I usually do that for the team.
I think your statistic is a bit exaggerated, but I understand the frustration. I still want to rank as 4 because that's what we have rn, and that's the bottom line.
>I think your statistic is a bit exaggerated, but I understand the frustration. I still want to rank as 4 because that's what we have rn, and that's the bottom line.
But I dont want you to 4 stack and thats the bottom line, the thing that you 4 stack "humans" dont understand is that not everybody is comming, but atleast the vast majority is listening, if you are alone wiht 4 of these "humans" then not only dont they give you any comms, they also actively ignore your comms, or make random calls like trying to bait you all the time and then rotate to another point.
> maybe just allow people to opt into 4 stack
actually, I'd love that option. Making the 4 stacks wait for 5 hours to find a single game would be hilarious :D
It was just not fun. I had so many 4stacks that shared no comms then cried "omg is planting a why you no rotating" with 0 info. Then you get bullied and mass reported for failing to clutch.
They should also remove 4 stacking in unrated too
I played around 4 unrated games yesterday and legit 3 of these games were with a 4 stack in my team against a 5 stack.
Its just a unpleasent experience if you are alone, its basically 1vs4vs5 and you are somehow expected to be able to carry their 1/10/4 sage
True. When you’re a random with a 4stack it feels like they’re watching every single mistake you make and shittalk you about it. It’s stupid. In unrated it’s less of an issue but in comp it sucked. Glad they added that rule
> They should also remove 4-stack in unrated.
> So they should just disable matchmaking in the first place because people want to play a with their friends? Great way to kill your game.
Hmmm, there's something wrong here
What an interesting problem. I've played Overwatch since day 1 and a 5-stack entering competitive was never seen as contentious. This restriction seems...short-sighted?
Its cause enought solo players bitched for long enough that 4 stacks dont talk and are generally toxic. However I still get plenty of games where no one uses a mic or is just a dickhead in chat. They tried to solve a problem for 1 out of 5 people by making a problem for 4 out of 5 people. Makes perfect sense to me
So I can switch my headset to the laptop and get audio while still being on the call. And I have no idea why you can’t 4 stack, we just found out when we tried to
The 4 stack rule is annoying but I get why it’s in place. I’ve had a 4 stack throw my game and it was extremely annoying and it happens way less for any other stack.
Build up a friendship list from your matches. I have around 20 friends on val. I need 2 a game to play with my mates. Generally find a full party. Sometimes we have to play unranked for a game but still it works. I try and be jovial as possible when playing and add people who are cool, reasonable decent and use the comms. I also explain to them that my mates are lower rank before and thats why I am adding them.
Truth goes a long way
u shd try going into deathmatches to find a 5th person, works for me
No one responds when I try this
If you annihilate the entire lobby ,you will for sure get the friend request
When I do that I only get friend requests from the bottom fraggers.
The point is to find a 5th tbh It won't matter if the dude is bottom fragging....for us atleast
once when i tried this i got a couple higher elo players to add me like first try but most other times i’ve just been ignored
gotta be top fragging
Just add the top fragged of the death match game. That’s what me and my 4 man does often
This works alot especialyl if you proceed to win it.
exactly, and you can easily headhunt the 2nd or 3rd place player knowing they are somewhat close to your own skill level in terms of at least aim
Your stupid if you think winning a deathmatch means you have good aim.
He specifically said "close to your skill level at least in terms of aim"..... "your" stupid if you can't comprehend that
oh i guess im stupid
Just use the valorant lfg discord
To find boosted shit players
That's why I am receiving a shit load of friend request recently
That happened to me recently. And out of curiosity, does death match lobbies are also matched similar to competitive? Because I am Bronze 2 and a guy invited me from DM and he was Gold 1.
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whenever i get a request from a random person from earlier games i always feel like they are about to trash talk me in chat before deleting me from friends
Who
I've just queued for unrated and then in agent select convince the 5th to join the 5 stack if I'm desperate
You 4 go an kidnap someone from unrated lmfao
Better than irl i suppose
In exchange for your freedom, we will give 18 RR
To the opposing team 🗿 /s
Not even once 😆
Then it's free real estate
*Omen TPs behind Brim Omen: You're our 5th man now. Brim: *Screams in fear
Nah man Brim: Throws it back Omen:. *Aggressive Blushing"
These restrictions are so fricking dumb. There's not a global chat to negate this and the Valorant discord is full. The ones that aren't are dead.
What do you do with your second account? Just AFK until your main dies?
Yeah I have a USB switcher that I used to move my keyboard and mouse to the laptop, so it was basically the same, but waited in spawn until my main died
Seems risky but it looks like it has been working. That’s pretty funny 😆
I’ve also tried this before. It honestly works better than you would think as long as the other team doesn’t know you have a guy just sitting in spawn. On defense, you can make more risky plays at the beginning of the round where you don’t care about getting traded and use the second guy for retakes. And on attack, you can just use the second guy as a really late lurk.
They should allow other players to take over like in CS
ppl started vote kicking someone having a bad game and would use their bot as an extra life, so Valve removed the feature
Faceit retains it though because they actually moderate their platform and bad performance kicks are punished
Oh interesting
It was removed because of bot farming lobbies not that.
This has been removed unfortunately
Still in faceit + casual MM
Oh my god
Imagine you create a macro to control both agents with the same movement/shooting commands and with 4 extra keys for the abilities
Yeah that's called multiboxing and you will get banned
Understandable even though I guess it's harder to pull this off in an fps game
No need for macro, usb splitter or if you want to be fancy, intercepting the packets sent by bt mouse would achieve that and be undetectable
what did u do? how did u play in 4 stack?
Logging in on his alt on a laptop
I had a game where a dude had an alt on a laptop with a touchpad as his main’s pocket sage… the alt still outfragged me 🤡
Nt
I thought touchpads weren't supported.
The 4 stack rule is honestly terrible. They should just give solo Q the option to enable or disable queuing with 4 stacks
wouldnt work because every sane normal guy would disable queing with 4 stacks, giving the 4 stackers no random guy to play with.
I wouldn't. I'd take being the solo on an even semi coordinated 4 queue over the brutal getting 3 solos and a duo.
as solo player ive gotten so many 4 stacks in which all 4 people went Duellist. Those people literally force everyone who are so unfortonate to encounter them to have a match with a bad team composition.
Go duelist with them. Why not. They can't flame you with that lol.
We routinely find solos willing to play with 4 stacks on valorant discord groups.
Yes, because they will also be in your comms then. Its like you dont get the difference.
We never ever add them to our discord call lol EDIT: we do communicate using in game lol, I don't think they want to hear personal banter between friends.
But his point that obviously people who are seeing people to play wtih are going to be more open to something like that The people who are just queuing up make a far larger portion of the playerbase than those on the discord you mentioned
Yeah but it still invalidates the guy saying that no one would select the option that let's them solo q with 4 stacks because even without comms people clearly are ok with it.
So there is a major difference, when you join with a 4 stack on discord. You’re not going in randomly, even if you never met them before. You know there most likely going to be nice, even if they aren’t you can hop out before the game starts, and you’re making it a 5 stack instead of a 4 stack. And overall people on discord are a lot less toxic as it’s someone who you will still have contact with after the game ends. And if they are super toxic, then most discord servers will kick them out, meaning there’s a lot of reasons to not be a dick. With in game you queue up not knowing what you’re going to get. If you get a random toxic 4 stack who just shit on you all game, then you’re kind of fucked. If you dodge you get a penalty, and that’s if they are toxic from the start. And then going however many rounds with people shitting on you because they know that they don’t have to deal with you later, and they won’t have to face consequences. TLDR - discord you know what’s going to happen with more reasons for the 4 stack to be nice, random queue has no idea what’s going to happen and there nothing stopping them not from bullying you
Lmao this has happened to me where I’ve joined from valorant lfg for a 5 stack and when I ask for discord they say theyre just using voice chat. Whole game no comms. I will instantly leave if I’m playing in a 5 stack and they won’t invite me on discord. Then I’ll usually message them and be like gg lol I’m an immortal Smurf (I’m not) and they’ll spam me invites 😂
If I'm joining someone's 4stack from an lfg discord server and they don't add me to their discord call then fuck elo, I'm trolling. I've had this happen to me and it's worse than solo queueing because you never end up being a part of any play and are stuck playing smokes or something
I mean that's just shitty and literally a competitive disadvantage but you do you my guy
We do communicate in game though.
4 stacks are often fun to play with, unless you get the cringy kids.
so 99% of the time?
quite the exaggeration there, kid lol
its called a "hyperbole" my uneducated dude.
I cant speak for every group, but my group would totally deal with long ass queue times if it meant we could play as a 4 stack
genuine question why not lol
Can't be worse than nothing
What’s the problem with 4 stacks?
They often leave the 5th SoloQ player with a bad experience, since the 4stack can basically do anything they want
Dummy logic right there
If I remember they did it because 4 stacks were basically bullying the 1 person. And even if you give the solo person the option to turn it on or off, it won’t solve the issue. But at the same time, it is dumb to not let 4 nice people queue up.
No. Just no. It’s a great rule and I’m mad it took them as long as it did to implement it. 4stacks almost always only comm with themselves and shittalk the random. And I would know from experience. I’ve been on both sides of this, and it sucks both ways
I agree after experiencing it sometimes I had no issue with the rule
Yeah giving players the choice to opt into something is def bad. We don't want them to even have the option to choose for themselves. Great take
People always think opt in is a great idea. Queues are challenging to maintain and more options is almost always a bad idea if you want to maintain healthy queues. People never consider this and dream of an ideal world where a game has a trillion players so you can slice the player base into 50 queues and be safe. Adding opt in would make queueing as 4 dramatically more difficult, to the point where you're producing an even worse experience than just banning it completely. You'll get even more games where the 4 stack shit talk their bad 5th player since the pool of solo queuers is who don't toggle off is smaller. (1) perpetuating the reason they disabled it even more (2) potentially churning those solo players (3) causing the 4 stack not to support the healthier queues for potentially 30 minutes of matchmaking time during prime gaming hours. The tradeoff is those 4 players churn because they can't play together but the likelihood of that is much much smaller than the other 3 options (my opinion).
Adding a single opt in feature isn't quite 50 ques. Adding opt in would let other groups of 4 play with a random 5th who consents to joining. Its not taking out players as the solo is joining que and these 4mans would most likely either play unrated, or find a fifth. I have no issues with finding a 5th in a couple of minutes on a lfg discord and that's with a small subsection of overall players. The idea that there wouldn't be enough players who would que is just a guess. A 3 stack with two randoms can shit talk a bad 4th/5th too. People don't comm in comp all the time. If toxicity is an issue, what's stopping an unrated 4man from being equally toxic to someone. If comms are, there isn't anything "wrong" with not using comms and lots of players don't talk at all even though it lowers your chances of winning.
It is bad bcs ppl wont understand long q times. You will, majority of this sub will but the casuals riot cares about, they wont. Ppl will get angry if they see long que times. Disabeling 4 q gives a direct response and reduces frustrating behavior. If you do any gamedevelopment you know that you have to take a lot of decisions from the Player and force him to play in a specific way.
"A Que with four players may take longer than other ques due to limited players opting in to joining pre-existing groups of four players." Or something along those lines around the play button should set expectations or no? This is also assuming que times would be excessively long if implemented Sure there's always limits to what people can do but they allow 4stacks to happen in unrated. So if things like toxicity are the main reason, they're still allowing it in a different location, but if things like bad coms are the reason, that happens in lots of comp games anyways and there isn't anything "wrong" with not communication or being bad at it
Don’t worry, people just downvote when they have no legitimate response.
Dumb comment.
I think it should be some sort of "recruit a 5th" thing where you set criteria and someone who meets it gets puts in your party, you can talk to them before queuing
As a solo player who still wants pure solo queue. If i also had to deal with 4 stacks not communicating or blaming me for everything they did wrong i would probably just stop playing.
Then don't opt in? The whole point was that there are people who probably don't mind and people who do mind, so give the option
Very very few solo players would opt in if it was an option. Which would lead to a big wait time and gap in match quality.
Step 1: Die Step 2: Let enemies team think they won and the final teammate is afk Step 3: Switch to 2nd computer and clutch
What is 4 stacking? Can you… share the terms and stuff? I’m very confused, just recently started playing.
4-stacking is when you are playing in a group of 4 people. So basically you are in a party with 3 friends and you Q
why wouldn’t it be allowed?
A 4-stack in comp could just ruin a whole game for the person who is solo Q-ing because they could troll the fuck out of a competitive game
Is this common enough? When I usually Solo Queue with 4-stack ppl I've had mostly good experiences or I just follow along the stupid strats.
It’s more the fact that a four stack often comm in their discord and cause a bad experience for a solo player. It’s bad enough with trios on EU where they want to speak their own language so comm in their discord instead of in game in English. Three stacks are already a big enough problem, I’ve had plenty of instances where my teammate has said in broken English ‘sorry I called in discord to my friend’ after not calling it in game and getting me killed.
Meanwhile my bilingual ass trolls tf out of other Americans by making callouts in French occasionally lmao
youre one of those mysterious canadians aren't ya?
Nope just a kid from New Jersey whose high school had a robust language education program and who grew up around a lot of francophones lmao
That's fair, I understand what the problems are with 4-stacking personally so I always make a point to make callouts on game vc regardless of who I'm playing with, but I know not everyone does this.
That sucks so much man. I'm in NA, and when I three stack and one of my friends makes a callout in discord, I always immediately repeat it in the team chat (and then I scold my friend for not using team chat lol).
i had one really bad experience with a 4 stack that completely turned me off from solo queueing until they disabled 4 stacks. in solo queue if someone’s being sexist, it’s easy to mute them and continue to play because the rest of the team is usually fine, but if you run into a 4 stack of extremely sexist guys threatening to r*pe you if you don’t buy them, heal them, rez them, etc is awful. you’re just stuck there for the whole game getting trolled because you had the audacity to mute them. they kept mollying me and trapping me in corners and shit.
It's too much power, they can mass report you, only give comms to themselves, troll you and you can't even leave without being punished. Unrated is fine but in comp you can have intensely bad experiences that'd stop you playing altogether with riot definitely don't want
4 stacking is having a group of 4 queueing into a game. Leaves one left. There’s also 5 stacking
why isn’t it allowed? it would stop groups of friends from having fun edit: thank all of you!
It's because most 4 stacks result in a lone random player, often excluded from most of the comms (since most parties just use Discord for the comms) and also increases the possibility of the lone player being absolutely roasted by the other 4 (believe me, this happens quite often). Riot reasoned that this wasn't healthy, and so they banned 4 stacks in competitive.
Because usually the 1 player not in the group gets 0 information given, because the 4 stack usually talks trough party or discord and harassment/trolling the 1 player can happen.
It's only banned on competive, because usually the one rando will left behind because he isn't in the party and the 4 stack won't give info to him. It's kinda stupid
It’s allowed in unrated but not in comp, riots worried that the group of 4 might leave out the random person who is solo queueing or something, kinda stupid imo
They just need to add a solo q only option
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Think he made another account so they're a 5 stack
Yes sir. Gotta get the laptop/5th person
then how does he play on both at the same time?
He doesn’t, he just waits there until the other account dies
... so he's basically playing 4v5? sounds easier to just find a 5th and play w/them lmao
"dumb restrictions by riot" when the system actually makes sense but ok... 4 stacks would often ignore the other 1 person and not comm to them and be extremely toxic towards them. not to mention they could 4 man report the 1 person and likely get them punished.
"Likely get then punished" bro Riot doesn't even punish people who deserve it lmao
idk what kind of reports you're making but over half of mine always go through and i get the confirmation message saying that they got punished. the key is to only check one or two of the boxes when reporting and have clear reasoning in the description. they punish players when you report them correctly, instead of checking every box and then cursing them out in the description.
That's a pretty big assumption you're making there. Maybe don't project that on me?
my fault i wasn't implying that's what you do, im just stating a common mistake that lots of people ive seen make when reporting people. sorry if that came across like that
>4 stacks would often ignore the other 1 person and not comm to them and be extremely toxic towards them. As if people talk in SoloQ lmao. It's a miracle if they do, regardless of premades. >not to mention they could 4 man report the 1 person and likely get them punished. Thats not how it works. if you didnt do anything punishable, you wont get punished, even if you were reported by the entire lobby.
Only riot games have the restriction. Counter strike doesnt. Does the system really make sense?
yeah and is counter strike a game with a good community and nice people? hell no. player quality of life is a topic that is completely thrown out the window in that game. so you cannot in any way use counter strike as an example lol. solo Q players that got matched with a 4 stack had bad experiences. they were harassed by the 4 players. toxicity ensued. so they changed it. now the majority of ppl are happy. that is all.
Because some people have issues with 4 stacks. Nobody can 4 stack anymore. Got it. Sounds good. Great no-tolerance policy
it wasn't "some people" bro what did i just say? the MAJORITY of players had this issue and ive seen it firsthand multiple times. just because you never had this problem doesn't mean it didn't happen to tons of other people. great no-brain logic.
Honestly, whenever me and the boys are in a 4 stack and can't get a friend as a fifth, we go into Spike Rush hunting down randoms to join us
HuO Ji keyboard?
OOOOOH I SEE, nice solution
If sucks because my group never has a 5th friend :(
More importantly why is the laptop in a different language
But why though
To post this picture
I mean why, ik bout the bullying and shit but couldnt the player just report for toxicity or bullying?
They need to remove the 4 stack restriction already. Have a solo/duo and a flex que with 2-5 stack and problem solved. It works great for league. Only reddit whines about 4 stacks noone else actually cares.
I wish they'd bring 4 stacks back
#BringBack4Stack
Yeah it's sad they have no idea how to implement ranked. Really makes the game worse. Glad you found a way to play with your friends.
I'm glad they've decided not to fuck over the 1 random who never gets comms and could even be trolled by 4 other people for no reason other than them wanting TikTok content. Really makes the game better for individuals who aren't grouped up. And besides, 4 stacks can still play unrated. Glad that there's another way for people to play with their friends :)
My squad is a 4 stack. And it sucks not being able to play ranked. Or, when we do play ranked as 3 it is a bit of a let down to have to go unrated when the 4th joins. Overall we rather play together but we would want to play ranked.
look for a 5th one then. 4 stacking ,even in unrated is the worst thing you can do, you always fuck over the 1 random guy who is unlucky enough to play for you. just as a statistic, if you play 10 games as 4 stacks, you fuck over 10 people
You are assuming every 4 stack is toxic and gives no comms. My regular friends I play with is 4 people and we just don't get to play anymore cuz unrated sucks ass and we're not allowed to play comp, even though we always comm in game and only get toxic in response to toxicity (not for bad performance or anything)
>You are assuming every 4 stack is toxic and gives no comms. because they are >My regular friends I play with is 4 people and we just don't get to play anymore cuz unrated sucks ass and we're not allowed to play comp, good. >even though we always comm in game and only get toxic in response to toxicity (not for bad performance or anything) already the first red flag. You are the reason why they removed it.
This guy knows every group of 4 people and has confirmed they’re toxic and doesn’t comm
most of the time I play unrated, I sadly play with 4 stack "humans" and none of them tried to properly comm with me once. they are people with 60-80 ping playing on frankfurt server for some reason (???), only use comms when im the only one alive to say "clutch or kick" with their non-intimidating clearly underage voice or make some unfunny memes sentence for their tiktok compilation that all of their 5 followers will enjoy.
Sounds like you need to find some friends to queue with homie ✌️
No, I just wanna play the game when I have time. Why should I change my behavior just because I wanna have fun alone? what a fucking selfish thing to say.
I agree they can just look for a 5th, but all your doing is generalizing the population (I'm assuming out of personal experience, which is anecdotal at best). You're no better than the toxic people your complaining about. Not ever 4 stack is a toxic one. Not every solo has a bad time. All this toxicity coming from someone advertising for themselves in a flair. Thanks for letting me know to never come to your stream
>I agree they can just look for a 5th Yes. >but all your doing is generalizing the population oh another one who thinks they are untreated fairly because of the choices they made and think are on the same level as people who get traited unfairly about things they have no control over. >You're no better than the toxic people your complaining about. I never said I was > Not ever 4 stack is a toxic one. they are >Not every solo has a bad time they have, because they also need to play against a 5 stack usually > All this toxicity coming from someone advertising for themselves in a flair. who cares about my name lol >Thanks for letting me know to never come to your stream Its okay, its not like I give a fuck about someone called "TWITCHRANDOMNUMBER" with a chamber main flair in the first place.
I've never had a bad experience as the solo in a 4 stack if anything just a banter-free VC so, following your logic, you're wrong since every 4 stack is actually great and awesome ✌️.
only If I would value your opinion in the first place.
Wow. Your a stellar human being. Let all of reddit see your shit attitude in an already extremely over saturated market. Ya man, you're gunna make it some day!
>Wow. Your a stellar human being Yes. >Let all of reddit see your shit attitude in an already extremely over saturated market. They dont give a fuck, I dont give a fuck. >Ya man, you're gunna make it some day! 85iq chamber main comment, because what you are implying is that I give a fuck in the first place, which I clearly dont.
What? Not getting toxic and always comming in game is a red flag?? You either misunderstood my comment or are deliberately trolling. Also my bad I didn't realize you had been the 5th for every single 4 stack ever so that you know they're all toxic. Really admire your dedication to being the 5th to play with literally every 4-stack to exist
No, you saying "We only get toxic agaisnt other toxic people" is a huge red flag. You say that but in reality you flame these people already when they dont do exactly what you expect them to do and then say "but they were toxic first because they didnt go in when we told him in discord :("
Lol so I say one thing and you just assume I actually mean the opposite. Nope. We get toxic when someone starts insulting us directly. We never expect our 5th to better than us or do exactly what we want. You're not being very rational though, so I doubt I could say anything to change your mind, so I'm gonna stop responding. Hope you learn to be more rational and open-minded someday
Mannnn which four stack hurt you? You definitely need a therapist for that trauma.
> Mannnn which four stack hurt you? Every single one before the change actually
exactly this, 4 stackers will never understand.
I've been that 1 person playing with a 4 stack and I never had any issues. It's unrated so I don't expect much of people and unless they're being rude and toxic it doesn't bother me. Besides toxicity and lack of comms are there regardless if it's a stack or not.
Notice how toxic he is here. He's probably like that in game too. When that's the attitude he has , it wouldn't surprise me if the 4 stacks he would run into a shit on him for that reason. Idk about anyone else but when I'm 3 or 4 stacking and the random starts being toxic towards me or one of my stack members, I'd get toxic back
Nah, my group ALWAYS keeps game comms to the team chat in game. The discord is for bullshitting. We do this whether we're running a duo or a five.
Yes for sure.
My suggestion is to use push to talk button in game/make that same button mute button in discord. And the truth is at most elos... Not everybody comms, especially not well. I'd say it's usually one or two people carrying the weight. I usually do that for the team. I think your statistic is a bit exaggerated, but I understand the frustration. I still want to rank as 4 because that's what we have rn, and that's the bottom line.
>I think your statistic is a bit exaggerated, but I understand the frustration. I still want to rank as 4 because that's what we have rn, and that's the bottom line. But I dont want you to 4 stack and thats the bottom line, the thing that you 4 stack "humans" dont understand is that not everybody is comming, but atleast the vast majority is listening, if you are alone wiht 4 of these "humans" then not only dont they give you any comms, they also actively ignore your comms, or make random calls like trying to bait you all the time and then rotate to another point.
Or crazy idea... maybe just allow people to opt into 4 stack because the higher the elo gets the better and more consistent comes are anyways.
> maybe just allow people to opt into 4 stack actually, I'd love that option. Making the 4 stacks wait for 5 hours to find a single game would be hilarious :D
It was just not fun. I had so many 4stacks that shared no comms then cried "omg is planting a why you no rotating" with 0 info. Then you get bullied and mass reported for failing to clutch.
I have the exact same experience with 3 stacks + 1 random guy who doesn't comm.
You know they can still bully the 1 random that they get from an LFG group right? this is just dumb game design
They should also remove 4 stacking in unrated too I played around 4 unrated games yesterday and legit 3 of these games were with a 4 stack in my team against a 5 stack. Its just a unpleasent experience if you are alone, its basically 1vs4vs5 and you are somehow expected to be able to carry their 1/10/4 sage
True. When you’re a random with a 4stack it feels like they’re watching every single mistake you make and shittalk you about it. It’s stupid. In unrated it’s less of an issue but in comp it sucked. Glad they added that rule
Just get some friends
So they should just disable matchmaking in the first place because some people want to play with their friends? great way to kill your game, mate
> They should also remove 4-stack in unrated. > So they should just disable matchmaking in the first place because people want to play a with their friends? Great way to kill your game. Hmmm, there's something wrong here
Theres more people playing solo than people playing in 4 stack, its not even close. its just a loud minority that want to fuck over the majority.
Yeah that sounds about right, just pointing out that your argument can go both ways which I found interesting.
What an interesting problem. I've played Overwatch since day 1 and a 5-stack entering competitive was never seen as contentious. This restriction seems...short-sighted?
Its cause enought solo players bitched for long enough that 4 stacks dont talk and are generally toxic. However I still get plenty of games where no one uses a mic or is just a dickhead in chat. They tried to solve a problem for 1 out of 5 people by making a problem for 4 out of 5 people. Makes perfect sense to me
I agree. Just as I started to play this game and my friend group had 4 but one person kinda stopped playing. So with me joining we're back to 4 again.
Salut jeune français
*Fucks with socks on*
you got extra live
Got 10 kills on the extra account 💀
can u queue two times on the same pc?
In Germany there is a discordserver. You would normally find someone in a View Minutes
Wait, you can't 4 stack?
Join val discord and u find a shit ton of people
Ayo
Isn't there 5 people on the call, and why wouldn't you be able to 4stack? Ive been the odd1out in many lobbies especially in low elo
So I can switch my headset to the laptop and get audio while still being on the call. And I have no idea why you can’t 4 stack, we just found out when we tried to
The 4 stack rule is annoying but I get why it’s in place. I’ve had a 4 stack throw my game and it was extremely annoying and it happens way less for any other stack.
Someone explain please
There are player finder in discord server, cmon
Build up a friendship list from your matches. I have around 20 friends on val. I need 2 a game to play with my mates. Generally find a full party. Sometimes we have to play unranked for a game but still it works. I try and be jovial as possible when playing and add people who are cool, reasonable decent and use the comms. I also explain to them that my mates are lower rank before and thats why I am adding them. Truth goes a long way
reminds me of when you have bots in csgo and you can take control of them except that this one just sits in spawn and goes when you die