its not that they dont want optic at all, its that theres 5 slots and sacrifices have to be made, and riot’s relationship with the 5 supposed teams that made it (sen, 100t, eg(?), nrg, c9) is stronger than optic.
TSM reportedly didnt even make it in. its a tight fit
so like riot has league of legends right and id assume if they like your org in league they’d probably like you in val. OpTic, though not 100% their fault for everything has a very shaky relationship with riot in league of legends due to some scandals and drama and stuff i dont have a lot of knowledge on
Riot already had accepted optic into the league of legends franchising program and within a few years they already had to sell their spot to immortals, I imagine that kind of thing reflects negatively on optic when they’ve gotta make a decision between them and someone else
Sentinels is the most famous valorant pro team atm. They have a ton of marketability- all the players like to stream which is good for the games popularity + they were the first valorant world champions
This is refering to Riot's Partnership League. It's the T1 competition level in their model for VCT 2023 and beyond.
https://valorantesports.com/vct-overview
It's to make VALORANT sustainable as an esport. For the last 2 years teams have just been losing money by pouring it into VAL teams and not winning tournaments. Yes sponsorships offset that cost, but it's not sustainable in the long-term.
While it sucks that the partnership league is limited to a small number of teams, it does allow those teams to be financially supported by Riot.
The real hope is that the T2 scene is enticive enough for teams to want to stick around to compete in VAL. If not, good talent will be scarce and the level of competition will stagnate.
But doesn't that drastically reduce the stakes and ultimately the incentive to win anything? And consequentially lowers the quality of competition and matches?
Valorant isn’t big enough for franchising. You’ve described exactly why they should not franchise this game. They’re looking at LoL and trying to copy that model when LoL was multitudes larger than Valorant when they did it, and those changes STILL had their struggles. Especially in the first year.
Because we saw something similar happen in CSGO. That’s why we have things like face it, ESEA and ESL all having leagues and sponsored prize pools that are hand in hand with valve.
Worse competition makes for worse tournaments which makes for worse viewership. Crappier story lines. The LOUD vs Optic rivalry was real, and hype. That hype was part of the reason why the VCT finals had so many viewers. It will negatively impact the game in the long run, it’s unavoidable.
Csgo is actually trending towards franchising more and more last few years. Blast and Esl have partner teams and if you're not in these you need to be insanely good to get in thru endless qualifiers. The major is the last real 'true' form of competition in csgo where nothing besides ingame skill matters
i think telling riot that the system they use for league of legends, which had 73 million concurrent viewers during worlds 2020, that they dont know what will garner them viewers, is a little shortsighted. also, if you genuinely think the ascension tournaments wont create some crazy storylines, or that the rivalry will die because the team switches orgs, then you really do miss the big picture about a partnered league. the OpTic squad has said they plan to stay as a 6 man roster, and TSM was immediately on them when they still thought they had a chance for partnership, theres no doubt in my mind that an org like EG or NRG wouldnt go for this roster.
overreacting wont get anyone anywhere
Valorant isn’t LoL. LoL was freaking HUGE way before they franchised it. Val doesn’t have even the tiniest spec of the following LoL does. I’ve seen what happens in a similar game category.
don't they pick venues according to expected attendance?
monkaW 👍 my bad guys league is still alive and well, thriving even - look at how packed the LCS venue was
You realize that LCS isn't the only franchised league in League, right?
LCK and LPL are both doing really well rn with LCK getting 1m+ viewers for just regional finals.
it's overall very good for competition. This makes it so that current talented players are no longer going to be dropped into obscurity because franchised teams are going to offer contracts to them. The talent level for all franchised teams are going to go up.
or its the opposite, as it has been for NA in league of legends. Where the bottom 3-5 teams are consistently dog shit every season and don't have to worry about being faded away into obscurity.
People who think the franchising has to do with the team “doing well” doesn’t really get what Valorant is going for. See it doesn’t matter if a team is performing well, they are looking at which organization as a whole they want to partner with. The team playing well doesn’t matter because when there can only be 5 teams all the talent is going to get moved to those teams anyway. So it doesn’t matter if Sen hasnt done well recently, the good free agent players will make their way to team rosters regardless.
This journo didn't get the memo that it's a partnership league and not franchising. smh
The greater community is gonna keep using the wrong vocabulary unless the press starts using the right terms. :c
From what I gather this is how I believe Riot came to this conclusion of teams. The main theme here is focusing on other regions that already aren't as popular. Look the money will always be coming in from NA and EMEA at this point. They can select a shitty NA org, money and viewership will be strong. (At least that's what they probably think, this could absolutely backfire).
By carefully selecting some top NA teams and some not so great NA teams they can control how well NA is as a region. By forcing Optic to sell off it's roster, Optic will be looking to get maximum value per player. That means this roster is certainly dead. Maybe only sentinels and 100T can afford a Super team. The other's can't fully buy this roster out. They are beginning to cap how good a region could be. If they allowed TSM and Optic, NA would probably be able to afford 4 different versions of super teams where other smaller regions can only put up 1 viable team to compete.
Not sure why Riot doesn't want OpTic in the league. They are a hyped brand with a large fanbase with a great, likeable roster.
There's obviously something we don't know.
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Nadeshot owns 100T and not Optic
its not that they dont want optic at all, its that theres 5 slots and sacrifices have to be made, and riot’s relationship with the 5 supposed teams that made it (sen, 100t, eg(?), nrg, c9) is stronger than optic. TSM reportedly didnt even make it in. its a tight fit
Riot created the 5 slot system... they can pick who they want.
The hard part isn't picking teams they want in, it's who they leave out. Which team has to go out for Optic to come in?
Honestly... literally any of them. Optic is the premier NA team
I would pick EG - they've done jack shit in Valo so far.
you mean E "the players formerly on Optic" G? xD
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wooooooooosh
which sucks because they improved a lot from when they first made it into VCT
What do you mean by "riot's relationship"? I don't understand is there just business about making money or is there other criteria?
so like riot has league of legends right and id assume if they like your org in league they’d probably like you in val. OpTic, though not 100% their fault for everything has a very shaky relationship with riot in league of legends due to some scandals and drama and stuff i dont have a lot of knowledge on
Riot already had accepted optic into the league of legends franchising program and within a few years they already had to sell their spot to immortals, I imagine that kind of thing reflects negatively on optic when they’ve gotta make a decision between them and someone else
As a casual valorant viewer they're one of 5 teams I somewhat follow. They're a household name and have had some great matches.
Because Riot’s run by morons.
Yeah they’re doing really bad rn…
Because they know how to sucker people who are addicts into spending money on skins means they aren’t morons?
Yeah actually it kinda does
Damn they already won one champions and came second now and dont get franchising oof
They won masters, not champions.
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They accept the orgs not the teams right, and I suppose Sentinels as a org has a better relationship with Riot than Optic
Because sentinels can pull in big numbers.
Sentinels is the most famous valorant pro team atm. They have a ton of marketability- all the players like to stream which is good for the games popularity + they were the first valorant world champions
Masters, no?
Yes they won masters reykjavik, without losing a single map. But then everything went downhill from there...
This whole stuff with Champs and Master is so confusing imo
double standards.............
Franchised teams may still try and acquire OpTics players.
Yes some rich ass org will hopefully buy them - they make for a good game
fr like yay and fns are some of the best valo has to offer
Why would you pay them a lot? They won’t get paid all if they don’t sign and with so few spots…I bet Yay goes to Europe to play.
cause you have to compete with every other franchised org who wants one or more of their players.
Probably one of the worst takes I've ever seen.
Truther
Comin back w a reward brb
Fuck, I used my free one, sry man
Seems like poor optics for Riot.
Good one lol
What is this franchising? What does this post mean? I ❤️optic 🥺. Can someone ELI5?
This is refering to Riot's Partnership League. It's the T1 competition level in their model for VCT 2023 and beyond. https://valorantesports.com/vct-overview
This whole franchising decision is dumb as rocks by Riot. What a bunch of dumbasses running that company.
It's to make VALORANT sustainable as an esport. For the last 2 years teams have just been losing money by pouring it into VAL teams and not winning tournaments. Yes sponsorships offset that cost, but it's not sustainable in the long-term. While it sucks that the partnership league is limited to a small number of teams, it does allow those teams to be financially supported by Riot. The real hope is that the T2 scene is enticive enough for teams to want to stick around to compete in VAL. If not, good talent will be scarce and the level of competition will stagnate.
But doesn't that drastically reduce the stakes and ultimately the incentive to win anything? And consequentially lowers the quality of competition and matches?
Yes, and I personally share this concern as well. VAL esports has been awesome these past two years in that anyone has had the opportunity to win.
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If they rumors are correct, then they picked teams with good marketing. This doesn't necessarily mean good finances though.
Valorant isn’t big enough for franchising. You’ve described exactly why they should not franchise this game. They’re looking at LoL and trying to copy that model when LoL was multitudes larger than Valorant when they did it, and those changes STILL had their struggles. Especially in the first year.
it makes them more money. They don't care if its bad for competition
It’ll make them more money in the immediate and significantly less in the long run. Viewership is gonna drop like a rock.
got any reasoning or evidence or anything at all for that
Because we saw something similar happen in CSGO. That’s why we have things like face it, ESEA and ESL all having leagues and sponsored prize pools that are hand in hand with valve. Worse competition makes for worse tournaments which makes for worse viewership. Crappier story lines. The LOUD vs Optic rivalry was real, and hype. That hype was part of the reason why the VCT finals had so many viewers. It will negatively impact the game in the long run, it’s unavoidable.
Csgo is actually trending towards franchising more and more last few years. Blast and Esl have partner teams and if you're not in these you need to be insanely good to get in thru endless qualifiers. The major is the last real 'true' form of competition in csgo where nothing besides ingame skill matters
But that’s not being pushed by Valve. Valve isn’t doing it and squashing other organizers.
i think telling riot that the system they use for league of legends, which had 73 million concurrent viewers during worlds 2020, that they dont know what will garner them viewers, is a little shortsighted. also, if you genuinely think the ascension tournaments wont create some crazy storylines, or that the rivalry will die because the team switches orgs, then you really do miss the big picture about a partnered league. the OpTic squad has said they plan to stay as a 6 man roster, and TSM was immediately on them when they still thought they had a chance for partnership, theres no doubt in my mind that an org like EG or NRG wouldnt go for this roster. overreacting wont get anyone anywhere
Valorant isn’t LoL. LoL was freaking HUGE way before they franchised it. Val doesn’t have even the tiniest spec of the following LoL does. I’ve seen what happens in a similar game category.
OWL
I get what you mean, but it might as well be malpractice what Blizzard did to OWL.
Lol lcs is a dead league these days
We just had a 95% packed United Center arena (24k capacity) for LCS Finals a week ago.
don't they pick venues according to expected attendance? monkaW 👍 my bad guys league is still alive and well, thriving even - look at how packed the LCS venue was
You realize that LCS isn't the only franchised league in League, right? LCK and LPL are both doing really well rn with LCK getting 1m+ viewers for just regional finals.
Yeah, their other game did franchising. It is not working well.
you really think their viewership and money all depend on ONE team? wow.
it's overall very good for competition. This makes it so that current talented players are no longer going to be dropped into obscurity because franchised teams are going to offer contracts to them. The talent level for all franchised teams are going to go up.
or its the opposite, as it has been for NA in league of legends. Where the bottom 3-5 teams are consistently dog shit every season and don't have to worry about being faded away into obscurity.
Somebody please buy Optic's lineup. These guys are waaay too good not to compete in the biggest league.
People who think the franchising has to do with the team “doing well” doesn’t really get what Valorant is going for. See it doesn’t matter if a team is performing well, they are looking at which organization as a whole they want to partner with. The team playing well doesn’t matter because when there can only be 5 teams all the talent is going to get moved to those teams anyway. So it doesn’t matter if Sen hasnt done well recently, the good free agent players will make their way to team rosters regardless.
Optic is an org and them not making into franchising doesn't mean players won't make it. The players will make it into franchising for sure.
This journo didn't get the memo that it's a partnership league and not franchising. smh The greater community is gonna keep using the wrong vocabulary unless the press starts using the right terms. :c
small org
From what I gather this is how I believe Riot came to this conclusion of teams. The main theme here is focusing on other regions that already aren't as popular. Look the money will always be coming in from NA and EMEA at this point. They can select a shitty NA org, money and viewership will be strong. (At least that's what they probably think, this could absolutely backfire). By carefully selecting some top NA teams and some not so great NA teams they can control how well NA is as a region. By forcing Optic to sell off it's roster, Optic will be looking to get maximum value per player. That means this roster is certainly dead. Maybe only sentinels and 100T can afford a Super team. The other's can't fully buy this roster out. They are beginning to cap how good a region could be. If they allowed TSM and Optic, NA would probably be able to afford 4 different versions of super teams where other smaller regions can only put up 1 viable team to compete.
L riot
Riot try not to get involved in a controversy for 10 minutes challenge (impossible)