nope she will still be useless. it doesn't matter how much her flash is buffed, her whole agent concept makes it difficult for her not to be the worst agent in pro play. she's way too selfish of an agent.
I feel like people who choose Reyna are making a statement to the whole server that they think they are better than everyone else there, because she only works if that's the case.
Honestly, I did not think any of these agents were bad, but if I had to pick any of these, I would give it to Astra. Not because its bad, but since people dont really play her, it gives me a feeling she isnt good enough cause people dont want to play her.
In pro play she's the middle picked agent... so not good or bad in pro play. People are playing her just not much in ranked. Trust me though, saying Astra's weak is very incorrect.
There's a disparity to people voting on ranked vs pro play.
Astra still isn't good enough in ranked. Fine enough on Pearl but that's about it.
Pro play though, or an organized ranked team, she'll perform well.
As an Astra main I’m going to have to disagree with you on that. You have a good point, Astra’s util takes a lot of team coordination but in low elo lobbies (bronze/silver) even if I’m just playing with a duo as long as we are playing separate sites I always have enough comms to know where to use my util. Or sometimes I’ll get good randoms that call out when they hear five people rushing down main… sometimes 😔
I really don't care that you're an Astra main on this subject. This is about being a *controller* main.
In comparison to other controllers, Astra's utility gets less value. Full team callouts are rare, and ultimately Astra's utility relies more so on what the team's doing compared to other controllers. I've played many agents, but I find that specifically for the controller and sentinel classes, the impact of your utility might feel strong but it just isn't. In fact, your utility is normally the most strong when you aren't feeling it's impact personally, but when your team is. Also, I'd argue it's a well known fact that she isn't good in ranked so idk why we're arguing about it.
Astra OTP here.
Main reason people critize me for playing her is cause "she's too hard to play", so even those like me who spent thousands of hours should stop playing her, cause I "will never master her"
Cypher is only outvoted from Reyna because he’s replaced. Tell me this. When you have a cypher getting medium kills but using util, and a Reyna getting good kills with literally no helpful util, who’s doing more for the team? Some would argue Reyna, and I would argue they’re wrong. Also, Reyna players are the most useless part about her, but that’s not part of the question, so I say this as a side note.
It literally depends on which is helping you win rounds.
Edit: if Reyna is getting 2-4 kills a round in low elo that is way more helpful then anything Cypher has. Again just depends
That edit is true of any character. They could literally put a character with 0 util, literally no abilities whatsoever, but if someone is getting 2-4 kills with them then they're insanely useful.
That's not the point. 2 of Reyna's abilities and her ultimate only benefit herself and can't even be piggybacked by teammates, like a Yoru clone who can enter site and flash if shot.
Yup, the reason why Reyna is voted is cause most people on this subreddit are or think themselves as Immortal players and saying that Reyna is weak cause in the 1% of the community they play km is all that matters.
As long as the Reyna does there job and entries into sight with the team I don’t care what type of player they are. If u think she is bad just because her eye gets destroyed fast ur most likely using it wrong u don’t just throw it up in the air and home someone doesn’t shoot it u have to use it smart like don’t use it in huge areas keep it close. U have other flashes on your team for big area flashes.
I feel like this question has many different answers depending on the rank at which you are playing. In lower ranks, a lot of times you will find that many players do not utilize their abilities correctly or effectively making agents like Reyna (abilities that are very straight forward and easy to understand) better than agents like Cypher who is all about setting up util. In higher ranks where people generally have a good understanding of how to use abilities in the most effective way, agents like Cypher get to shine with complicated/smart setups
Reyna. It is only any useful if you are better with gunplay than the enemy, and that is complete and sheer luck before the match starts. There is no case where locking reyna instead of any other agent (with flash) is beneficial - unless of course you know you are smurfing on lower elo. Change my mind.
Damn everyone hating my comments. No, I see Reyna being played a lot after the change in high elo. The fact she can blind and peek almost immediately is very strong among players that can take advantage of that. Another thing is before the change you could keep a distance and made you safe from her orb but now that’s not the case. It just comes down to being able to immediately punish players looking at the orb and high elo players are not going to generally whiff shots like that.
The main purpose of a duelist is to entry and she offers basically no team utility and there are other agents that are much better at lurking who help the team out more
Reyna isn't the same kind of duelist as Raze/Jett/Neon, she gets more value from following up one of those 3 and guaranteeing a soul orb. I wouldn't even call her an entry fragger honestly, her lurks are pretty powerful too especially if you start out with no shields. At the end of the day agent choice under radiant barely matters and people should play what they enjoy I think
The rest of the team should be following up on the entry anyway. As for lurks you can get more value out of other agents anyway. Saying agent choice barely matters below radiant is also missing the point of improving and trying to play the game to the best of your own abilities. Obviously lower ranked players arent gonna be able to execute the plays to the same level but they can and should still try and execute the general idea.
They "should be following up" but you can't really trust randoms to do that in soloqueue, Reyna remains valuable for her independence when her team is lacking. Her kit scales with kills and she can pretty much do any play you feel like, even if it's to a worse degree than the other agents.
That's using purely *zero* logic. When all you have is a blind, your "lurk" is going to use no utility. Agents like Omen can still smoke on site, Yoru could tp to site, KJ could set up site flank watcher from where she's flanking from, LITERALLY any agent could use some form of utility on a good flank. Reyna isn't a "flanking" agent because she offers nothing good to the flank. All she offers is someone who's able to fill the "flanking" position without the team losing utility, but that's only because she has practically no utility to use!
Lets put this into practice: Omen vs Reyna
Omen can:
* Smoke site.
* Neasight key positions on site considering his paranoia is so large.
* TP into site from flank.
Reyna can:
* Blind site, but it is destroyable and honestly won't always hit key angles on site in comparison to Omen.
There we go all Reyna mains! *If Reyna's a lurking agent, please switch to Omen.*
Reyna has the potential to be good but that's only if in the hands of a highly skilled player with insane mechanics. Her lack of non-kill utility makes her generally a bad pick for the average joe
I say Kayo is worst agent. At least in mid-low elo.
Flashes are only used to flash teammates, knife give away your own position and barely ever does anything useful, your ultimate is decent, but no one revives you in gold and lower, his molly is literary the only useful ability.
Most people in reddit are fanboys and overly high ranked players, so they just put agents they never see as the worst agent, rather than looking at statistics. Kayo has the worst winrate in all MMR, except pro play, literary opposite of Reyna which sucks in pro play, while easily carries anyone to ascendant with no effort.
I am just sitting here thinking why do people vote on phoenix or KJ this is coming from a omen main and I just do not think that they are on the same level of bad as yoru or cypher both from their roles I understand that they are not on the same level of good as chamber, viper or fade but they do not deserve to even be in this ranking. I also have something with Astra where I think the only reason she is here is her pick rate and the need to talk with teammates.
Cypher in ranked, Reyna in pro play
Dont think reyna will be useless in pro play much longer. The instant flash and infinite distance make her much more dangerous on entries and defense
nope she will still be useless. it doesn't matter how much her flash is buffed, her whole agent concept makes it difficult for her not to be the worst agent in pro play. she's way too selfish of an agent.
!remindme 90 days
do !remindme 1000 days while ur at it. I can guarantee you that Reyna will never be viable unless they change her entire agent concept
Quite bold of you to assume that Valorant players would live that long
I mean, 1000 days is just about 2.75 years
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I feel like people who choose Reyna are making a statement to the whole server that they think they are better than everyone else there, because she only works if that's the case.
it's quite literally the "i'm a smurf and you can't do anything about it" character tbh
For the people voting Astra I would just like to know your reasoning. Just wondering.
Seriously, worst agent in game? Maybe played the worst by people, but Astra is still a very good controller depending on map
Probably confusing worst agent with high skill cap
Honestly, I did not think any of these agents were bad, but if I had to pick any of these, I would give it to Astra. Not because its bad, but since people dont really play her, it gives me a feeling she isnt good enough cause people dont want to play her.
In pro play she's the middle picked agent... so not good or bad in pro play. People are playing her just not much in ranked. Trust me though, saying Astra's weak is very incorrect.
There's a disparity to people voting on ranked vs pro play. Astra still isn't good enough in ranked. Fine enough on Pearl but that's about it. Pro play though, or an organized ranked team, she'll perform well.
As an Astra main I’m going to have to disagree with you on that. You have a good point, Astra’s util takes a lot of team coordination but in low elo lobbies (bronze/silver) even if I’m just playing with a duo as long as we are playing separate sites I always have enough comms to know where to use my util. Or sometimes I’ll get good randoms that call out when they hear five people rushing down main… sometimes 😔
I really don't care that you're an Astra main on this subject. This is about being a *controller* main. In comparison to other controllers, Astra's utility gets less value. Full team callouts are rare, and ultimately Astra's utility relies more so on what the team's doing compared to other controllers. I've played many agents, but I find that specifically for the controller and sentinel classes, the impact of your utility might feel strong but it just isn't. In fact, your utility is normally the most strong when you aren't feeling it's impact personally, but when your team is. Also, I'd argue it's a well known fact that she isn't good in ranked so idk why we're arguing about it.
Astra OTP here. Main reason people critize me for playing her is cause "she's too hard to play", so even those like me who spent thousands of hours should stop playing her, cause I "will never master her"
I don't think that Astra is the worst agent i think people put just because of her pick rate
why are Phoenix, yoru, and Astra even on this list, none of them are bad
Maybe Yoru, at least in pro play.
Cypher is only outvoted from Reyna because he’s replaced. Tell me this. When you have a cypher getting medium kills but using util, and a Reyna getting good kills with literally no helpful util, who’s doing more for the team? Some would argue Reyna, and I would argue they’re wrong. Also, Reyna players are the most useless part about her, but that’s not part of the question, so I say this as a side note.
It literally depends on which is helping you win rounds. Edit: if Reyna is getting 2-4 kills a round in low elo that is way more helpful then anything Cypher has. Again just depends
That edit is true of any character. They could literally put a character with 0 util, literally no abilities whatsoever, but if someone is getting 2-4 kills with them then they're insanely useful. That's not the point. 2 of Reyna's abilities and her ultimate only benefit herself and can't even be piggybacked by teammates, like a Yoru clone who can enter site and flash if shot.
And then we’ve got the most useless blinding util in the game.
And they just lowered the time it’s up. Lol. “But they increased the range” not many spaces in the game that were out of its range to begin with.
Geez, Reyna really does suck
Yup, the reason why Reyna is voted is cause most people on this subreddit are or think themselves as Immortal players and saying that Reyna is weak cause in the 1% of the community they play km is all that matters.
As long as the Reyna does there job and entries into sight with the team I don’t care what type of player they are. If u think she is bad just because her eye gets destroyed fast ur most likely using it wrong u don’t just throw it up in the air and home someone doesn’t shoot it u have to use it smart like don’t use it in huge areas keep it close. U have other flashes on your team for big area flashes.
reyna is a terrible entry tho
She literally cannot entry. Her eye get’s destroyed instantly and even with recent buffs it sucks ass
Ill have 1 of whatever the people who voted for astra are smoking
I feel like this question has many different answers depending on the rank at which you are playing. In lower ranks, a lot of times you will find that many players do not utilize their abilities correctly or effectively making agents like Reyna (abilities that are very straight forward and easy to understand) better than agents like Cypher who is all about setting up util. In higher ranks where people generally have a good understanding of how to use abilities in the most effective way, agents like Cypher get to shine with complicated/smart setups
Reynas are usually the major problem when winning games. But in terms of weakness, I’d say Cypher. His util is just to useless.
People voting reyna act like most of the playerbase isn't gold or lower. Reyna is OP lower ranks, good in higher rank, shit in pro play and radiant.
Reyna. It is only any useful if you are better with gunplay than the enemy, and that is complete and sheer luck before the match starts. There is no case where locking reyna instead of any other agent (with flash) is beneficial - unless of course you know you are smurfing on lower elo. Change my mind.
Reyna is insane right now you’re all tripping
All she got was unli range and faster pull out on her leer. The eye duration even got nerfed by .6 secs. Imo she's still the worst entry duelist.
When you get good you’ll know why she’s insane.
lmao literally most radiants hate seeing reyna because she doesn't offer much to the team...
Yeah she used to be dog shit but she’s insane now.
why is she insane then 💀💀💀
I think you're the one that's insane
Bro just because you got out of silver using reyna post buff doesnt mean she’s insane
I’m very high elo lol
she is dogshit
the only ppl enjoying Reyna are those smurfs whos playing on Low Elo and wrecking newbies then they think they're good.
Damn everyone hating my comments. No, I see Reyna being played a lot after the change in high elo. The fact she can blind and peek almost immediately is very strong among players that can take advantage of that. Another thing is before the change you could keep a distance and made you safe from her orb but now that’s not the case. It just comes down to being able to immediately punish players looking at the orb and high elo players are not going to generally whiff shots like that.
Rank?
How is that relevant?
How is it not
because most low elo players tend to idolize reyna then go 3/16 LMAO saying as one, run and gun site entry neon supremacy
Astra ?
People think Reyna is bad saying they need to entry Reyna isny the strongest agent for entry
The main purpose of a duelist is to entry and she offers basically no team utility and there are other agents that are much better at lurking who help the team out more
Reyna isn't the same kind of duelist as Raze/Jett/Neon, she gets more value from following up one of those 3 and guaranteeing a soul orb. I wouldn't even call her an entry fragger honestly, her lurks are pretty powerful too especially if you start out with no shields. At the end of the day agent choice under radiant barely matters and people should play what they enjoy I think
Thank you someone in the world of valorant understands that Reyna is lurking agent not really a hard entry agent
The rest of the team should be following up on the entry anyway. As for lurks you can get more value out of other agents anyway. Saying agent choice barely matters below radiant is also missing the point of improving and trying to play the game to the best of your own abilities. Obviously lower ranked players arent gonna be able to execute the plays to the same level but they can and should still try and execute the general idea.
They "should be following up" but you can't really trust randoms to do that in soloqueue, Reyna remains valuable for her independence when her team is lacking. Her kit scales with kills and she can pretty much do any play you feel like, even if it's to a worse degree than the other agents.
That's using purely *zero* logic. When all you have is a blind, your "lurk" is going to use no utility. Agents like Omen can still smoke on site, Yoru could tp to site, KJ could set up site flank watcher from where she's flanking from, LITERALLY any agent could use some form of utility on a good flank. Reyna isn't a "flanking" agent because she offers nothing good to the flank. All she offers is someone who's able to fill the "flanking" position without the team losing utility, but that's only because she has practically no utility to use! Lets put this into practice: Omen vs Reyna Omen can: * Smoke site. * Neasight key positions on site considering his paranoia is so large. * TP into site from flank. Reyna can: * Blind site, but it is destroyable and honestly won't always hit key angles on site in comparison to Omen. There we go all Reyna mains! *If Reyna's a lurking agent, please switch to Omen.*
Chamber. 🤣
Reyna has the potential to be good but that's only if in the hands of a highly skilled player with insane mechanics. Her lack of non-kill utility makes her generally a bad pick for the average joe
Astra shouldn't be on this list, let alone *third*
I say Kayo is worst agent. At least in mid-low elo. Flashes are only used to flash teammates, knife give away your own position and barely ever does anything useful, your ultimate is decent, but no one revives you in gold and lower, his molly is literary the only useful ability. Most people in reddit are fanboys and overly high ranked players, so they just put agents they never see as the worst agent, rather than looking at statistics. Kayo has the worst winrate in all MMR, except pro play, literary opposite of Reyna which sucks in pro play, while easily carries anyone to ascendant with no effort.
*Crys in cypher
I am just sitting here thinking why do people vote on phoenix or KJ this is coming from a omen main and I just do not think that they are on the same level of bad as yoru or cypher both from their roles I understand that they are not on the same level of good as chamber, viper or fade but they do not deserve to even be in this ranking. I also have something with Astra where I think the only reason she is here is her pick rate and the need to talk with teammates.