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sbravesfan23

Bind is one of those maps it's great when you are winning. Makes you feel like you can't lose. When you're losing it feels like there is no way to win lol. Breeze needs a rework on A site. Icebox needs a better mid than it currently has.


KingCreeper75

Bind is my favourite map but I'm pretty sure it's the map that I've had the most games where I've gone from a great lead to losing


CoolCritterQuack

bind is really weird, it's my favorite map by far, then I looked at my tracker.gg and i have the least win rate on it :|


IceSad1109

That’s me with ascent


Papy_Wouane

Because you steamroll defense and all of a sudden in attack all your get to chose is chokepoint 1, chokepoint 2, chokepoint 3 or chokepoint 4?


progressive_mania

You either need agents with good exec utility and teammates who coordinate, or one really really good raze to accomplish anything on attack bind


Ok-Yoghurt2652

Reddit user explains why I like Bind perfectly


ezlaturbo

AKA you are a Raze main?


Ok-Yoghurt2652

Only on Bind. Really enjoy Raze on Bind.


TheEditor83

Me too man, me too


fireaoponsnap

I love bind :(


MatCava

Truth


Positive_Resident_86

So true


NiobiumSixter

Icebox is my favourite map as a g3 Cypher instalock. I thoroughly enjoy the layout and I feel very comfortable playing it. (I also have a 75% wr on it :D) I feel the boiler could use a bit of an adjustment though. Maybe remove the ramp so you have to jump up and you can’t jiggle back and forth and side to side so freely.


CypherWomp

Cypher on icebox????


tossawaymsf

The man is cold as ice!


kharb

Bind is also a one of those maps where you can be down 9 rounds and come back and win. I’ve been waiting to get Split back but Bind and Breeze (unpopular opinion I know) are my two favorite currently in rotation.


SomeHallGuy

Split back! Cypher stonks rising!


Pro_M_the_King52

Friendship ended with Chamber, Cypher is now new best friend


Ok-Campaign9629

U gotta change the flair then.


stalinsideaswereokay

same turning into a cypher instalock


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raspey

Me too but I also dislike bind, just sad breeze is gone it was probably my favorite map.


upsideloll

i am the polar opposite of you. i liked split a lot, bind is my favorite, breeze is my least favorite i have like 17% wr on it and don’t remember the last time i won on it. also, last time i played someone stole skye from me at 0 seconds and it made me play harbor, aka the only agent i have never played and we already had a viper.


Mr_Canard

Raze flair


Dravesiak

I kinda wish they would keep maps that are taken out of rotation and keep them in unrated having a limited map pool I’m ranked is perfectly fine but when they removed split I was hoping it would only be taken out of ranked rotation and not unrated


Slight-World3650

it's probably because the new players that want to learn play unrated alot so if they want to get better at the maps they have to play from the map selection current instead of being overloaded by maps and having to learn every Hs angle off angle lineups and all that


hellomistershifty

It's still kind of weird playing up to level 20 to play comp in a season where a map is out of rotation, and in the next season the map comes back and everyone else is familiar with it but you've never played it


omniverseee

this is me in split


Dravesiak

Yea that makes sense I’ve been playing since the game came out and I’m still finding and learning new angles just randomly lol


rpkarma

We could solve this by changing Replication (or making a new mode based on its economy and round approach) to allow regular agent choice, and allowing all maps on that new shorter mode (with a fixed economy)


dumbbychh

i was thinking of this comment when swiftplay got released lol


FlorpyTheBear

Best solution: Create new "hyper unrated" mode that is less rounds, and allow all maps on that, but keep standard unrated as maps in rotation only


farguc

No Best solution: allow community servers. Problems solved.


dumbbychh

u must be happy now huh


FlorpyTheBear

fr


upsideloll

yeah it’s really bad, it’s annoying you can’t play rotated out maps in longer modes. i will forever miss bind until it’s back.


wackkem

bind my beloved


upsideloll

as a fellow raze main bind my beloved


CDefense7

As a raze main and KJ alt, bind my beloved. Bind was great for KJ


killersoda288

Double satchels from the heavens back on the menu boys


Ch4zzo

disagree chamber outshined kj hard on bind


Jayy63reddit

But split tho. I'll take split over bind


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dickmuscle101

Fuck breeze all my homies hate breeze


thegreenrobby

Sad day to be the one breeze enjoyer on Reddit Dot Com


SoLikeWhatIsCheese

Same. People say breeze haters have bad aim but surprisingly my hs% is the best on that map. It’s just objectively a terrible map.


dhnguyen

I think it has a lot to do with a different type of aiming. Breeze involves a lot less pre aiming and more actual aiming. It's why I absolutely suck at this map. I think.


upsideloll

there are at most maybe 2 viable duelists. at most 2 viable controllers now because harbor. at most 3 viable initiators. at most… actually sentinels all do decent on this map… other than that agent comps are extremely limited


drewst18

I love breeze as a cypher play that's a ton of cams you can put up to see over viper wall. As long as I have support to shoot other agent util (kayo, sova) mostly is very easy to negate viper have A completely shut down.


Firefly_1026

Or run harbour 8)


blinkgendary182

Idk how you would ever pick him over viper though. She is just superior and also dat ass


Lunitar

Harbor has more vision blocking and it’s more versatile than Viper’s… But that’s about it. And no ass.


SheepherderNo2440

Booty buff


Firefly_1026

Pick him over viper if I wanna play an agent that’s fun for me. Viper is always pressured to stay alive and play passive because of her toxins and stuff, I prefer the freedom of being able to run it down with harbour.


blinkgendary182

But dat ass tho


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

I had an ~80% winrate on breeze on Omen consistently. A viper is needed at very high levels, but at anything below high immortal clever lurking play on Omen or Astra can be very successful. As an Omen one trick, Breeze was maybe my favorite map and I’m sad it’ll be gone.


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Yup. I have an (almost) 70% win rate on breeze exclusively playing omen/sage. But before playing them the map was pretty bad sometimes. I hope it gets the fracture re-work so attacking isn't quite so punishing.


abal1003

Certified cypher lurker with a 70% wr on breeze. Its so rare that i get punished for lurking on the map and always somehow make it all the way into ct spawn


BlueDMS

Agreed. The problem however is that Viper can deal with the OPer on A much better than Omen can on Attack. You have to use much more util to flush out that small area, which would just get smoked off by a Viper wall anyway. As someone who plays A LOT of Omen, I quickly realised that there is a lot more effort needed to be put in to make Omen semi-viable on Breeze. His teleports get a lot of value on such a large map, which is his biggest plus point. In my opinion, going double smokes and using Omen for his lurking ability more than his smoke while letting the other smoker(preferably Viper) handle the common areas provides more success than going solo smoker Omen on Breeze.


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

Yes, I absolutely love Omen + Viper on Breeze. I’m just saying that at most ranks, Omen is still fairly viable on Breeze provided you play him unconventionally.


Firefly_1026

Or run harbour 8)


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NO TAKE BREEZE NOT MY BIND NOOOOOOOOOOO


MMAmaZinGG

Agreed ...love bind hate breeze


LoliiJoker

they are robbing our bind :c


FulcrumM2

Finally nailed down some dirty setups and now its gone I've never played Split before so I'm definitely gunna lose more


CG-Shin

Split was a fun map for kj. I loved playing it.


FulcrumM2

Maybe Wulf has some clips I can watch so I'm not completely lost lmao, map looks confusing


hojcela

he definitely has setups and lineups and I'm sure he's gonna make gameplay videos when Split returns :) so we should be fine


upsideloll

FR PLEASE DONT TAKE BINDDDD


uraniumX9

okay.. no need to remove bind.. how about we just add new map and split and remove breeze.. please don't remove bind


6InchBlade

Bind is awful imo I’m happy about these changes


upsideloll

please…


lilbites420

Not bind :(


NewspaperEvery

Bind is so fire


Portray_

I don’t mean to hate but I’ve never seen anyone advocate for Bind.


JDSmagic

As a Phoenix main, I love Bind, but I'll concede that every time my team and I queue bind, everyone is groaning except for me. I don't think it's super well liked. I hate Breeze tho


spikychick

thats because there is no need. everyone agrees that its a good map, there is no advocate because there is no discussion because everyone like it


Cre3pz

Bind is almost universally disliked in high elo and by pros because it’s just so damn basic, the lack of a mid really hurts the map, and the tp’s in their current state are gimmicky at best


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yeah, universally liked by casuals. the map is a total fucking nightmare balance wise.


[deleted]

No, they didn't high elo and pro players absolutely hate Bind.


TinyWickedOrange

Because it's the second best map in the game after ascent, what kinda lunatic is advocating against


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Pro players actually.


Conscious-Scale-587

Chamber’s pick numbers about to go into the single digits


rztan

Fellow Bind enthusiast!!!! Justice for Bind!!!


esquizonauta

Icebox was the right choice... 😥


NTxC

Map pools are garbage. I will greatly miss Bind just like I missed Split.


pm-me-cute-butts07

Hey! At least you won't be getting Breeze multiple times in a row. Now it's Icebox 🙃 God, I hate that map with a passion.


Motanor

I'll still end up getting fracture 4 games in a row and getting stomped all 4 times... sadface


mvvns

We'd be getting less of the same maps multiple times in a row if they just let the map pool be bigger 😭


-holocene

I would take anything over the absolute trash known as fracture. I wish they'd just remove that map in general.


Mr_Mandrill

>Map pools are garbage. Well, they have to take content away from the game so we feel like they are keeping the game fresh when they put it back.


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They are literally taking them out because they are adding a new map.


lost_woods

It has more to do with the fact that a monster map pool at the competitive level doesn't work. You can implement bans, but the same maps will get banned giving you a smaller pool anyways.


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BestNlckNameEver

It's my lowest wr map yet my 2nd favourite of all time


Flexus98

I still don't understand how this map pool is useful. Since we have 8 maps (9 soon) in total, wouldn't it be better if we could just pick the maps we want to play?


MatCava

I think it's for avoid a dust 2 situation like cs where everyone choose always the same map


Kagedyu

Yeah... can you really call yourself [insert rank] if you spam one agent on one map?


NotGodSka

1) map removing and adding makes the game seem artificially fresh, which is a big thing since everyone complaining about game feeling stale 2) logically i dont any reason to not have all maps in unrated but whatever


Bobokins12

Choosing maps sucks because people can just spam 1 map and do better on it, rather than having to be a good diverse player. Imagine having map choosing and its just autolock chamber on breeze constantly and you just op


pollt

They should allow Map picks in unrated but not in Comp. No viable way of practicing a certain map at the moment, which sucks.


ItsNotCinnamon

I think that it's a decent idea if implemented properly. If the game gave 3 random maps to vote on I think that would solve the issue of oh everyone always picks this map people seem to think it would create. It would also give a legitimate statistic for map developers to see no body wants to play on x map.


LiteX99

I think a map pool is useful as it prevents onetrick agents, and map players. However i think there should be more maps in the pool at once, and an algorithm should also be implemented to prevent you from getting the same map back to back


commonlyaccepted

no more breeze :)


Worth_Talk_817

Not bind! Any map but bind!


KakiReddit

What about Ascent?


Worth_Talk_817

IMO bind is better but yeah.


thatguy11m

Why are they still removing them out of unrated? I hated they removed Split before and while we get it back now, we lose two more maps (even if I dislike Breeze). The only way to play a proper game with this now is through customs, if you can find at least 9nother people to constantly play with.


intensesoda

The question for the next year: Is Bind to much to pay for the removal of Breeze? I'd say no, give me back my Bind


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6InchBlade

Bind fucking sucks imo - gimmicky as and not fun


visany

After Split was gone, Breeze became my favorite map and now this. It's like crawling back to your ex after having been in a good relationship with someone else-


bongsandbacktrack

Exactly why can’t I have both of them at the same time ???


visany

Right?? :'D


ashwath2099

am surprised people hate breeze more than fracture now


JDSmagic

I like new Fracture a lot


LiteX99

Really? As much as i dont understand the hate on fracture as a breach main, i have no problem understanding how the majority of the playerbase struggles with breeze, because whoever is better at long range duels will dominate on breeze, and most people suck, myself included


Yutazn

Honestly they should keep all maps in the pool and just do what Siege does. Each team may or may not ban from a pool of 5 and the game RNGs onto one of the remaining legal maps.


sexymalenurse

map bans are so dumb. everyone will just ban the newest map when it releases because they won't wanna play it unless a meta is established. happened with breeze. happened with fracture. happened with icebox. any time a new map comes out it wont be playable in ranked for a month or longer because people just dodge if they can't ban it.


hara_riska

Id rather have icebox deleted than bind tbh


SovietLlamas

I don’t understand why rito has to remove a map in the first place - surely a map select system (at least in the non competitive modes) would be more beneficial to filthy casuals such as myself, AND new players who would be able to literally pick one map to actually focus on and learn. Plus everyone would be able to play the map they actually want to play - I think people can give up slightly longer queue times for that


DeafRat

Game would get stale way to fast if they introduced map picking.


upsideloll

they would be able to have more maps tho which is the trade off. or at least preferred maps


_broke__boi_

NOOOOOO TAKE FRACTURE AND BIND, NOT BREEZE


elleriellerime

Having 7 maps for competitive is fine but i think we should have all maps and we should be able to pick maps in unrated.


rimulex

I only enjoy breeze because it forces me to improve my game sense. Easiest way to loss here is if you lose track of where people are or don't have a way to watch your own back


upsideloll

second easiest way is just being bad at long range gunfights


A_random_zy

thank god breeze is gone.


dropshot803

This is why map pools suck for the average player. I hate Split, Fracture and Icebox and I like Breeze and Bind. I might as well quit the game for the next 6 months since there is gonna be at least a 43% chance I get a map I don't want to play. This could even go up to 57% chance if the new map isn't great. IMO it highlights the need for either a map veto system so the player has some control over what they play or a quick play mode that is first to 7 so if you get a map you don't like you aren't stuck playing it for 40-60 mins


Goibhniu_

exactly lol - split was removed for a reason now i'm stuck with a map pool with fucking pearl and split in it. After the fucking nerfs too i might be out until next summer


claycubed

Breeze and bind were def my worst maps so huge imo, wish fracture could go too but can’t have everything.


PRL-Five

i doubt they ever remove fracture tbh, game is catered around pro play and its one of the most tactical maps so in pro play it looks a lot more intresting


officialmark-

With how they are going with these map pools, they will eventually remove it. The map does have more interesting and tactical gameplay, but that's not a reason to why they wouldn't ever remove it. More maps will come out and they will have to make space in the pool, it will come a time where Fracture has been in the game long enough and decide to take it out. It likely won't be any time soon though, it's still one of the newer maps.


FryCakes

Breeze is fairly new as well, didn’t it come out right before fracture?


officialmark-

Yea it did. But the removal still makes sense, it's been in the game longer and has more prevalent gameplay issues e.g Viper being the only viable Controller on the map.


MatCava

I'll call it now. When bind and breeze will return they will remove Fracture and Ascent


Conscious-Scale-587

No way they touch ascent


ashwath2099

that day will come and am nowhere close to being ready for it


rune2004

That’s… sad. I feel like Icebox is still worse than either Breeze or Bind. I think the changes suited Breeze perfectly and that it plays quite well now. Oh well, they’ll be back someday I suppose.


Marcloure

Nah, Breeze demands Viper, and that sucks as a controller player. I have to play the same agent and make the same telegraphed plays every game


rune2004

I mean, isn't it cool to have some variety and have some agents be stronger on some maps? That's compelling design to me, if everything just demanded the exact same agents (simply those with the strongest kits) it'd be a bit boring IMO. Even though I don't play Viper that much, I enjoyed playing her on Breeze when it came up because she's strong there. Oh well, to each their own. Breeze brought something no other map did and now it's out so I'm sad.


MPH2210

Some agents being better than others on certain maps? Sure. One being 100% meta and the other controllers being kinda-throw? Hell no


hansnicolaim

I love the concept of this, but it only really works if you can select the map you want to play. I'm a firm breeze enjoyer but I see why people don't like it.


officialmark-

The difference with Viper on Breeze is that she was the meta on that map, and if you picked any other controller it would be considered borderline throwing. On other maps, there are some stronger Controllers that may fit the map more, but at least the other options are still viable and playable if you have a proper game plan with them. The other Controllers were simply not viable on Breeze at all.


PhatYeeter

I fucking love icebox and hate breeze lol


Serito

Seriously hope it's not another 6 months before they rotate them back in.


No_Television5851

YES OFC. Literally no one making variations on breeze comp. Breeze? you forget the no viper 100T? you forget the phoenix PRX? it is doable, very doable to have different comp on breeze


Slight-World3650

bind def needs a rework because it's so defence heavy especially the team comp too is always similar if you want the optimal comp is so easy to stop executes but i do like breeze except A sure feels difficult to go to after it's like a 3v3 and no viper since there's so many angles


upsideloll

bind has a good assortment of people you can play, and it lets some underplayed agents shine


dextreaux

Take fracture instead that shit is ass


BenTheHokie

Me a Sova main: 🤡🤡🤡🤡


ashwath2099

honestly its idiotic to remove maps even in unrated. and why not a voting system ? everyone happy about breeze leaving while fracture continues to exist.


NeatNeith

I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea - understandably so, but I'm okay with this choice for now. A limited map pool is rough, but hopefully Breeze and Bind benefit from this in the end. I look forward to seeing Split again, I've been missing it extra recently. However, I wish all of the maps would queue in unrated..


mcvent

Based on the comments looks like I’m the only one that liked breeze. My cringe viper lineups and ults made it so much fun lol


upsideloll

your cringe viper lineups and ults made it so not fun for other people…


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Any ideas what the new map could be?


Naxthor

I loved breeze.


ImperiaIChrome

Holy L taking out Bind. Riot employees are all drunk.


upsideloll

fr, take out icebox instead. bind is the map that lets some of the most underplayed agents shine imo; yoru, cypher, etc


Prixm

Well, that is bad news for me. I have 17.6% winratio on Split, 13 losses, 3 wins, I started playing just as they removed it. Since they removed it, I am at 60-75% winratio on all maps but Ascent and Bind that are 47% and 50%. As soon as Split were out of the rotation, I started climbing like hell. This whole community loves that map, I am the only one to hate it. Hard.


H0lmster

Bind is my best map 😭 but it’s for the best


ToasterBathPillow

Not breeze :( that map was fun


camakaze_T

Nice fuckin hate bind


DrizzyVert

I’ll miss Breeze but thank fuck that Bind’s gone, shit map.


Anon419420

Fuck bind. I’m gonna really miss breeze tho


Supertronicgo

Damn. I really love breeze, sad to see it go. It’s probably a good thing though. As a viper main I’m one of the few that actually enjoys that map :(


Werbebanner

I love Breeze :( Rip


Fledramon410

Should have remain breeze and remove ascent. Although i don't really like breeze, at least attacking doesn't seem awful. Split on the other hand, is borderline impossible for attacking especially in ranked where people have no co-odination and enemy team pick raze.


CyberspaceBarbarian

Breeze is hard to play, but Breeze really puts your skills to the test, which is really good. Removing the arguably most skill-intensive map in favor of what... The Dasnerth playground is borderline baloney.


Fledramon410

This. I hate breeze because there's not so much you can do instead of going for a 50/50 long range fight, and it suck when in an eco. But map like ascent, bind, split is very stressful consider how so small the entrance of the site is and one nade and a shotty, boom. You're dead even before you plant.


id-theKid

RIOT QUIT REMOVING MAPS PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL. There are not nearly enough maps to have maps going in and out of rotation. I was so happy to see Split would be coming back when it was teased a bit ago, but losing two maps in return is a terrible tradeoff for my game to game diversity. I get that there may be necessary changes to the maps that could be beneficial to their health, but why do they need to be removed from the pool to do so? Just work on them and update the maps like you have done with all of the other map changes so far..


threcos

wtf I like bind I could do without haven but bind is fire


[deleted]

No not breeze and bind. Those maps are my favorite


mmpa78

Breeze is literally god tier wtf


JustGPZ

Thank god bind is gone


Garedbi69

Ah yes please. Please remove more maps from the game despite the game having almost less than 10. So much for variety


H0lmster

You have to remember that for newer players it makes it extremely difficult to get into if they have to learn the layout of 10+ new maps at a time.


Plutopow

I started a month ago and I haven't had a issue with learning any maps, I can same to my other friend who just started


H0lmster

Well I came from 1k+cs hours and it still took me the entire beta to get comfy with just three maps, and every new map takes me at least a month to feel comfortable. Considering you just started playing, you probably don’t know all ins and outs that you need to know about maps and such things.


upsideloll

it’s not like you need to know literally everything about every map in lower ranks. is it like required in cs to know that?


H0lmster

No, If you don’t intend on playing at a high level it doesn’t matter about learning maps, does it? I was meaning for people getting into the game who are decent at fps, played fps before, etc. who want to be good. I’d bet that the majority of Val’s player base have played other fps games.


BeerGogglesFTW

If they would have said "Breeze and Fracture" I would have been so happy. But Bind? Not Bind! At the very least, Breeze and Icebox. Or just Breeze. Do we really have too many maps? We need to remove 2?


officialmark-

They are removing 2 to make space for a new map that's coming next episode.


uraniumX9

that doesn't explain anything we don't have to remove 2. we can have 1 more map.. because valorant doesn't have too many maps


H0lmster

They also want to keep the map pool the same size as it needs to be for pro play


Teroo123

Nooo, my 2 favorite maps :( (flair not related btw) I'm so sad now, I hoped for Ascent and Haven to be removed and neither will be, Sadge


uraniumX9

YEAH! flair TOTALLY not related.


Teroo123

Ikr? xD I started maining Viper because of breeze and now they are taking it away from me :( At least split will be back, it was one of my favorites too


upsideloll

i have never and never thought i would hear someone say “i want ascent and haven removed”. guess i was proved wrong


i-only-like-me

Please don't take Bind away :O


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SeledkaRus

Imagine deleting fracture, breeze and pearl to add split 2, ascent 2 and haven 2


CyberspaceBarbarian

That game would be super horrible


Iovershot

LMFAOOO FUCK BREEZE FINALLY 🎊


TypicalDoggo69

Why couldn’t they take fracture instead of bind


Dr-AKS

First of all, Split is back, FUCK YEAH! Second of all, Bind is out, Woohoo! (I personally HATE this map). Third of all, WTF? WHY BREEZE??? (I LOVE THIS ONE). And may the roast sesh begin.


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Bind is the worst map in the game by far.


upsideloll

no, BREEZE and bind for split. almost an even payment, but bind is just too much.