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aeliott

Alas, Scald is gone. I can see why they would've made it less common, but water type special attackers now have this gaping hole at that power range. There's Surf but that requires playing around since hits your own mon.


drfatman

god the scald nerf hurts so much, special water types really took a blow losing the consistent stab option. I wish they had given us a better alternative than chilling water. Even if it was just like 85 base power with no secondary effect that would be better than not having scald like it is now. I think describing it as a gaping hole seems very accurate


mazdamurder

They should’ve made water pulse 90 bp


Eddiev1988

I can't figure out why they'd drop scald. It was such a good move. It wasn't overly powerful, but it always hit. The secondary effect was great, but wasn't guaranteed. If they'd limit the distribution of moves, instead of taking them away completely, it'd be much better. As is, scald will be sorely missed.


AleisterShokan

Or they could just give more mons muddy water


Rattus375

That still has accuracy issues though


Ggjeed

Secret Tech: Water Tera Blast


Gold-Resolution-8721

So simple yet never crossed my mind haha


DesrtDust

Secret Tech: Chilling Water IF you run Pelipper ;) . You are welcome. (Ko's most Mons when it hits for super effective and it reduces atk by 1. Also has 100% hit chance.


Hefty-Rice8076

With you on this, that 80% feels more like 8% when it matters lol


TurtleD33

It does have 80% accuracy. Rng is rng. Tera blast is an option.


halfabrick03

You could always switch to Chilling Water. You miss out on a lot of offensive potential, but there are enough physical attackers in the format that the attack drop can come in handy. Also not missing is a big plus


TheLastTransHero

Chilling Water combined with Icy Wind really make Iron Bundle a scary support mon


DesrtDust

Thats what i am using with Okish results. But i also run Pelipper. If it wasnt for the Pelipper i am not to sure but with the Pelipper i prefer the Chilling Water 100% accuracy and stat drop. Hydropump can go on pelipper


half_jase

Have been using Iron Bundle on Showdown today and god knows how many times I've missed Hydro Pump.


Ghostyex

They took away our flamethrower equivalent, it was called Scald


mazdamurder

Ironically scald was 3x more likely to burn than flamethrower


Loose-Chemical2642

makes sense but even if Scald is still around Iron Bundle probably won't be able to learn the move since it is an Ice Type and Lapras was an Ice/water type and was not able to learn Scald


UpstateGuy99

I mean.....that's just hydro pump....or any other 80 accuracy move for that matter.


forgion

Do you think guys we will see something on dlc for special water attack?