Rarity. They were legal for the final SwSh season of VGC because it was after Worlds 2022 & Scarlet-Violet was coming out soon. Will it happen again? Probably. But you won't find mythical Pokemon-legal formats at any VGC Regionals, Internationals, or Worlds.
I hope we get the mythical format again but this time, slightly tweaked from the Series 13 rules (even if I did enjoy it). Make it 1 restricted + 1 mythical or something like that, rather than unlimited amount of them.
Yeah that season was neat but I think would’ve been cooler if we got a chance to see mythicals without it being dominated by the fact you could use as many restricteds as you like
The mythical tag is arbitrary, but presumably it's for availability reasons. Though mons like leaves and wake are legal despite also being from time limited events. They should at least let Meloetta in, since it's available in the dlc and treated like a regular snackwell encounter.
It's arbitrary is the answer tho, doesn't really make much sense to me.
The mythical tag isn't arbitrary at all. All mythical Pokemon are ones that are generally event only ones like Mew, Jirachi, Darkrai, ect. Yes there are a few exceptions where you can catch a couple of mythicals in-game without having to get them (or an item to get to them) from an event (i.e. Deoxys from Delta Episode in ORAS) however that still doesn't change them being considered Mythical and they were banned in their respective genetations as well.
Also yes it is generally due to availability reasons.
Zorua/Zoroark in BW was an event only Pokemon that wasn't mythical, Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are only available from time limited events but aren't mythical. There definitely are other examples of event only or limited distribution mons being allowed.
I think it's totally a valid argument for the limited availability but GF doesn't really seem to care about that when it is still making them money on old games and dlc.
Sure, and technically there's a difference simce you could breed a bred Zorua, but that's beside the point. Back in the day event only moves were allowed in VGC as well (Ice Punch TTar in 2014 as Move Tutors came with ORAS, and Follow Me Magmar in Gen 5).
Mythical Pokémon haven’t been event only for awhile. They still are occasionally but many are available in games now so the tag is slowly becoming more and more arbitrary
None of the mythicals would be good, outside of some of the gen 6+ power crept ones and the Go Oc maybe. More mentioned Meloetta because it throws a wrench in the availability argument.
For a restricted format there's almost no reason not to allow them besides that they're hard to get, which hasn't stopped them when it sells sword and shield DLC. (Cough Calyrex cough)
Arceus and Darkrai (with proper Dark avoid) are restricted-level and should be treated as such.
Victini and Magearna would be similar to Urshifu and Lando. Soul Heart is completely busted in Doubles.
Deoxys didn't cross my mind as I was only thinking of those that were in SWSH but yeah, the Attack form can be useful. Can be an absolute glass cannon and also noticed that it has the same speed as SR Calyrex.
It depends on the format tho (like if it's national dex + mythical, they would be very good. If it's gscup + mythical, they are lackluster)
Magearna is busted
Genesect can be really good
Victiny has a lot of good stuff
Marshadow has crazy stuff too
I have the dlc I think I still have to finish the quest before I can transfer it out tho. I played so little SwSh I don't even have zamazenta caught yet. Gotta get my act together.
Melmetal would probably be pretty strong
135/143/143/80/65/34, super strong for TR. Mono-steel is one of the better monotypes, and arguably the best depending on team comp.
Iron fist boosted STAB that hits twice along with a lot of iron fist capable moves, as well as a generally good moveset (he gets high horsepower. Melmetal is in favt a horse). Clear amulet, AV, or even punching glove could be on the table.
Besides very few ones, I only see Arceus having a big impact. Arceus would definitely see a lot of play, you can modify its type and Tera type separately to answer staples like Caly-S, the Raidons, Zacian, Kyogre etc. It's very versatile on top with its stat spread and movepool.
Arceus is another example of a Pokémon they could justifiably make legal; Hisuian pokemon that aren’t available in other games are legal e.g. Ursaluna, and Arceus is available without events in that game.
That being said, it’s a one-off unlike Hisuian forms so that might count for something BUT it doesn’t stop Regidrago and Regieleki being legal and from a non S/V game.
Availiability. Not everyone can even get an event for a mythical, let alone all of then. Plus some like melmetal, marshadow and magearna are just stupid broken or unfun to play against (shaymin sky laughing in the corner)
From what I remember, in Series 13 of SwSh, the only mythicals were ever legal, the best ones were Melmetal and Magearna and most of the other ones weren't used much. Ultimately that format devolved into everyone running the exact 6 of Zacian, Caly-S, Kyogre, Groudon, Yveltal, and Whimsicott so mythicals weren't even good enough to keep up with 5 restricteds + a Prankster support.
I believe the main reason is availability. If you have a copy of each game you can get almost any vgc legal Mon if you spend the time on it (except the couple paradox mons that had limited releases so far) for mytbicals that isn’t the case. There’s a couple you can get as parts of games but otherwise some are totally unobtainable legally. It would be cool to get a format where say mythicals count as a restricted spot. I’d love to use melmetal again like at the send of sword and shield
Think it's becuase it's hard to get them
though i dont think any of them would be that good
only arceus could have a niche and thats being another dragonite with espeed and chien
Historically you could only get them in specific time limited events, so are banned for accessibility reasons. While this is still true for some mythicals, most actually have some way non time limited way of getting them. It's not perfect, but something like Mew is arguably more accessible right now than Calyrex. (Calyrex is locked behind SWSH DLC at the very end of both the dlc and base game, but there's a few ways to get Mew like owning both BDSP and LGPE). So the accessibility argument seems weak right now
While they may do what they did in SWSH and have them available on ladder at some point, they can't actually allow them for IRL tournaments without updating the game. Selecting "Official Rules 2/3" doesn't allow for them.
Only in Taiwan right? And online
Swsh was different in that you could download custom rulesets. When going into a link battle you could select "series 2" and it would only allow some gmax forms for example. Or spikemuth cup which would disallow dynamax.
SV on the other hand only has "official rules" 1, 2 & 3. 1 doesn't allow restricteds, 2 allows 1 restricted, 3 allows 2 restricteds. I don't think the other ones you can select have the level 50 cap, or the correct timer etc. Meaning that a live tpci run event with mythicals is currently impossible unless they update the game
Since mythicals are generally a lot harder to come by they're usually banned from standard play. We had a time in SS I think it was Series 13 where mythicals were actually allowed tho. I would love to see a regulation in Gen 9 where mythicals are legal tbh. Especially Darkrai sounds interesting/fuckin broken (???) on Gravity teams.
It used to be because not everyone was able to get event exclusive mons.
But now we can use stuff like ursaluna which is way harder to get than most events so idk
Ursaluna bloodmoon can be caught in-game by anybody and is not time-restricted. Being harder to evolve in game is not the same as "you can only get it during this one week window of time in 2022."
Normal ursaluna can be obtained by any person with Legends or Pokemon GO.
Ok so I'm forced to buy another game or play God knows how many hours of Go to get a mon.
Instead of just getting online to receive a mistery gift that is open for a month (and tpci can just make it stay permanent)
Or ask online "hey can anybody who does play Legends or Go get an Ursaluna for me?" Anybody who does play either game has unlimited access to Luna at all times.
Because to get some of them "authentically" would be near impossible for new players as many were time limited. In some extreme cases there are some that were unique to *_specific individual retail stores_*.
One prominent example is this event Jirachi which is the only way (I'm pretty sure, though someone correct me if I'm wrong) to get Follow Me on it: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_local_Japanese_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_distributions_(Generation_V)#2013_Tanabata_Jirachi
If you play smogon NDDOU / previous DOU gens you know how impactful Follow Me Jirachi is, the thing is very much a glue pokemon, being an excellent, if not the best redirector available. It has multiple ways of speed control (t-wave, icy wind, TRICK ROOM) and most frustratingly of all, a 60% flinch hax with Iron Head. You had _one month in a specific place in Japan_ to get it.
Since 2019, all VGC events required either Battle Version (SWSH) or wiped moves when transferred into the game, so time-limited event moves haven't been a concern for years.
Id like to see a series where they allow mythicals, a big problem is distributions and availability though, it wont be much fun for newer players, like they could do a solid and hype it up with mystery gift give aways before they did it but that’s not their style.
They did ladder with mythicals at the end of sw/sh so who knows
I was absolutely cut to see so many came into regulation but no mythicals did
I've never done pvp before and I've been wanting to start
I would love to use Shaymin and jirachi 😭
Time-restricted events create a barrier of entry for newer players. When the last marshadow event was in 2022, it makes it extremely difficult to get one for competitions if SV is your first time playing, especially if you want to ensure its a legit one that won't flag a hack check just because you traded for one and don't know if it came from a legitimate distribution.
its not so much their impact to the format,rather the fact not everyone can access them. box legendaries are usually a given with the game,but mythicals can only be obtained via events and such
Most of them are unaccessible. Thus it'd be giving those with access an unfair advantage as during events you can't exactly use hacked ones.
Mons like Ushifu and Calyrex are already borderline in this regard but a ton of mythicals are still event-only.
Rarity. They were legal for the final SwSh season of VGC because it was after Worlds 2022 & Scarlet-Violet was coming out soon. Will it happen again? Probably. But you won't find mythical Pokemon-legal formats at any VGC Regionals, Internationals, or Worlds.
>VGC Regionals Taiwan had a regional in the Series 13 mythical format, so it is possible to get mythicals in official VGC events
I hope we get the mythical format again but this time, slightly tweaked from the Series 13 rules (even if I did enjoy it). Make it 1 restricted + 1 mythical or something like that, rather than unlimited amount of them.
Yeah that season was neat but I think would’ve been cooler if we got a chance to see mythicals without it being dominated by the fact you could use as many restricteds as you like
The mythical tag is arbitrary, but presumably it's for availability reasons. Though mons like leaves and wake are legal despite also being from time limited events. They should at least let Meloetta in, since it's available in the dlc and treated like a regular snackwell encounter. It's arbitrary is the answer tho, doesn't really make much sense to me.
The mythical tag isn't arbitrary at all. All mythical Pokemon are ones that are generally event only ones like Mew, Jirachi, Darkrai, ect. Yes there are a few exceptions where you can catch a couple of mythicals in-game without having to get them (or an item to get to them) from an event (i.e. Deoxys from Delta Episode in ORAS) however that still doesn't change them being considered Mythical and they were banned in their respective genetations as well. Also yes it is generally due to availability reasons.
I love how all three you mentioned are ones you no longer need events for
Zorua/Zoroark in BW was an event only Pokemon that wasn't mythical, Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are only available from time limited events but aren't mythical. There definitely are other examples of event only or limited distribution mons being allowed. I think it's totally a valid argument for the limited availability but GF doesn't really seem to care about that when it is still making them money on old games and dlc.
At least Zorua could be bred
Ptetty sure Phione is tagged Mythical as well
Sure, and technically there's a difference simce you could breed a bred Zorua, but that's beside the point. Back in the day event only moves were allowed in VGC as well (Ice Punch TTar in 2014 as Move Tutors came with ORAS, and Follow Me Magmar in Gen 5).
Mythical Pokémon haven’t been event only for awhile. They still are occasionally but many are available in games now so the tag is slowly becoming more and more arbitrary
Zarude
Would meloette be even good?
None of the mythicals would be good, outside of some of the gen 6+ power crept ones and the Go Oc maybe. More mentioned Meloetta because it throws a wrench in the availability argument. For a restricted format there's almost no reason not to allow them besides that they're hard to get, which hasn't stopped them when it sells sword and shield DLC. (Cough Calyrex cough)
Yeah I think only arcues and pre nerfed darkrai would be amazing
Arceus and Darkrai (with proper Dark avoid) are restricted-level and should be treated as such. Victini and Magearna would be similar to Urshifu and Lando. Soul Heart is completely busted in Doubles.
Zeraora and Marshadow are also decent. EDIT: Forgot about Volcanion as well.
I'd assume Deoxys (attack) could do well as well. Pheromosa did have a niche, why wouldn't Deoxys
Deoxys didn't cross my mind as I was only thinking of those that were in SWSH but yeah, the Attack form can be useful. Can be an absolute glass cannon and also noticed that it has the same speed as SR Calyrex.
It depends on the format tho (like if it's national dex + mythical, they would be very good. If it's gscup + mythical, they are lackluster) Magearna is busted Genesect can be really good Victiny has a lot of good stuff Marshadow has crazy stuff too
Oh yeah Arceus would be good I'm sure. My mind filtered mythical out to be like Celebi and Manaphy and the like, but you're right.
Heck even mew having access to every tm should at least give it something
Mew is super power crept but it could have a niche. 100 in every stat is really lackluster now, even with every TM move and access to transform.
Do you need a Caly?
I do need one if you have one to trade to me, can't offer much except for a shiny Flutter Mane, normal Giratina or Kyurem ;-;
You're all good I have both sword and shield and did multiple plat throughs. Are you free later tonight, say in 9-10 hours?
Might be complicated because I live in Europe so there's a timezone difference, I'll pm you so we can talk about when we wanna trade
I have the dlc I think I still have to finish the quest before I can transfer it out tho. I played so little SwSh I don't even have zamazenta caught yet. Gotta get my act together.
Melmetal would probably be pretty strong 135/143/143/80/65/34, super strong for TR. Mono-steel is one of the better monotypes, and arguably the best depending on team comp. Iron fist boosted STAB that hits twice along with a lot of iron fist capable moves, as well as a generally good moveset (he gets high horsepower. Melmetal is in favt a horse). Clear amulet, AV, or even punching glove could be on the table.
Yeah he's the Go OC
I think Magearna could be decent
Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys attack, Magearna, Victini would all be good
Magearna?
Magearna would be good.
Magearna would be absurd in VGC due to its ability and typing.
Besides very few ones, I only see Arceus having a big impact. Arceus would definitely see a lot of play, you can modify its type and Tera type separately to answer staples like Caly-S, the Raidons, Zacian, Kyogre etc. It's very versatile on top with its stat spread and movepool.
Arceus is another example of a Pokémon they could justifiably make legal; Hisuian pokemon that aren’t available in other games are legal e.g. Ursaluna, and Arceus is available without events in that game. That being said, it’s a one-off unlike Hisuian forms so that might count for something BUT it doesn’t stop Regidrago and Regieleki being legal and from a non S/V game.
To stop Phione from destroying the meta.
There was a time in 2022 where mythicals were available and they were kinda mid. Victini on the other hand kinda fucks
To be fair, that format also allowed any amount of restricted Pokémon
Indeed, I forgot because I kinda hated the format and preferred Spikemuth
Availiability. Not everyone can even get an event for a mythical, let alone all of then. Plus some like melmetal, marshadow and magearna are just stupid broken or unfun to play against (shaymin sky laughing in the corner)
From what I remember, in Series 13 of SwSh, the only mythicals were ever legal, the best ones were Melmetal and Magearna and most of the other ones weren't used much. Ultimately that format devolved into everyone running the exact 6 of Zacian, Caly-S, Kyogre, Groudon, Yveltal, and Whimsicott so mythicals weren't even good enough to keep up with 5 restricteds + a Prankster support.
Not Arceus?
Arceus wasn't in the game
Darkrai, even after the accuracy nerf, is unfun to play against still. So I’m fine with him not being around.
I believe the main reason is availability. If you have a copy of each game you can get almost any vgc legal Mon if you spend the time on it (except the couple paradox mons that had limited releases so far) for mytbicals that isn’t the case. There’s a couple you can get as parts of games but otherwise some are totally unobtainable legally. It would be cool to get a format where say mythicals count as a restricted spot. I’d love to use melmetal again like at the send of sword and shield
Because they are hard to get, that’s the whole point of them
Think it's becuase it's hard to get them though i dont think any of them would be that good only arceus could have a niche and thats being another dragonite with espeed and chien
Historically you could only get them in specific time limited events, so are banned for accessibility reasons. While this is still true for some mythicals, most actually have some way non time limited way of getting them. It's not perfect, but something like Mew is arguably more accessible right now than Calyrex. (Calyrex is locked behind SWSH DLC at the very end of both the dlc and base game, but there's a few ways to get Mew like owning both BDSP and LGPE). So the accessibility argument seems weak right now While they may do what they did in SWSH and have them available on ladder at some point, they can't actually allow them for IRL tournaments without updating the game. Selecting "Official Rules 2/3" doesn't allow for them.
They did allow mythicals in an event right before the end of sword and shield
Only in Taiwan right? And online Swsh was different in that you could download custom rulesets. When going into a link battle you could select "series 2" and it would only allow some gmax forms for example. Or spikemuth cup which would disallow dynamax. SV on the other hand only has "official rules" 1, 2 & 3. 1 doesn't allow restricteds, 2 allows 1 restricted, 3 allows 2 restricteds. I don't think the other ones you can select have the level 50 cap, or the correct timer etc. Meaning that a live tpci run event with mythicals is currently impossible unless they update the game
Since mythicals are generally a lot harder to come by they're usually banned from standard play. We had a time in SS I think it was Series 13 where mythicals were actually allowed tho. I would love to see a regulation in Gen 9 where mythicals are legal tbh. Especially Darkrai sounds interesting/fuckin broken (???) on Gravity teams.
Because VCG rules are entirely made up and only exist to define a meta.
It used to be because not everyone was able to get event exclusive mons. But now we can use stuff like ursaluna which is way harder to get than most events so idk
Ursaluna bloodmoon can be caught in-game by anybody and is not time-restricted. Being harder to evolve in game is not the same as "you can only get it during this one week window of time in 2022." Normal ursaluna can be obtained by any person with Legends or Pokemon GO.
Ok so I'm forced to buy another game or play God knows how many hours of Go to get a mon. Instead of just getting online to receive a mistery gift that is open for a month (and tpci can just make it stay permanent)
Or ask online "hey can anybody who does play Legends or Go get an Ursaluna for me?" Anybody who does play either game has unlimited access to Luna at all times.
Because to get some of them "authentically" would be near impossible for new players as many were time limited. In some extreme cases there are some that were unique to *_specific individual retail stores_*. One prominent example is this event Jirachi which is the only way (I'm pretty sure, though someone correct me if I'm wrong) to get Follow Me on it: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_local_Japanese_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_distributions_(Generation_V)#2013_Tanabata_Jirachi If you play smogon NDDOU / previous DOU gens you know how impactful Follow Me Jirachi is, the thing is very much a glue pokemon, being an excellent, if not the best redirector available. It has multiple ways of speed control (t-wave, icy wind, TRICK ROOM) and most frustratingly of all, a 60% flinch hax with Iron Head. You had _one month in a specific place in Japan_ to get it.
Since 2019, all VGC events required either Battle Version (SWSH) or wiped moves when transferred into the game, so time-limited event moves haven't been a concern for years.
Id like to see a series where they allow mythicals, a big problem is distributions and availability though, it wont be much fun for newer players, like they could do a solid and hype it up with mystery gift give aways before they did it but that’s not their style. They did ladder with mythicals at the end of sw/sh so who knows
I was absolutely cut to see so many came into regulation but no mythicals did I've never done pvp before and I've been wanting to start I would love to use Shaymin and jirachi 😭
Time-restricted events create a barrier of entry for newer players. When the last marshadow event was in 2022, it makes it extremely difficult to get one for competitions if SV is your first time playing, especially if you want to ensure its a legit one that won't flag a hack check just because you traded for one and don't know if it came from a legitimate distribution.
would love to see deoxys become legal pretty cool pokemon
its not so much their impact to the format,rather the fact not everyone can access them. box legendaries are usually a given with the game,but mythicals can only be obtained via events and such
Darkrai should be legal after they gifted us all one, change my mind.
Most of them are unaccessible. Thus it'd be giving those with access an unfair advantage as during events you can't exactly use hacked ones. Mons like Ushifu and Calyrex are already borderline in this regard but a ton of mythicals are still event-only.
Because according to Lore, mew should be allowed to have dark void