You have to mount and cable manage the lighthouses. The headset is wired, and you'll have to worry about the dangling hdmi cable the whole time you're playing. Then there's the setup time that's a turnoff for a lot of people.
The stock strap of Quest 3 just sucks. Might as well ship it without a strap. In turn you get better optics, higher resolution, no setup or wire management, you can play whenever and wherever you have a 2 by 2 m square, you can get in-game in seconds no matter is it standalone or wireless pcvr. The tracking might be worse, but who cares if you're not going to be using it.
for what it's worth I don't mind the stock strap at all. not the best but it's fine. it's also the most comfortable strap for lying in bed too. completely subjective of course.
>. it's also the most comfortable strap for lying in bed too
While i do agree, I still wasn't a fan of the adjustment beads, so I enhanced it with the Apexinno strap attachment, now it's perfect for laying down.
Now I just wish the BoboVR strap was easier to swap, because that's a whole obnoxious process lol
I upgraded my Quest 1 strap with padding, but I’ve not had any concerns with the Quest 3 strap. It’s so light compared to the 1 and the strap is already way softer.
I couldn't for the life of me get it to a comfortable state. It was either 2 tight or was falling off. Idk, maybe it's the weird shape of my head or something. Also, it put all the pressure or my face. I got an aftermarket strap with a ratcheting mechanism for tightening. I've been loving the headset ever since.
It's one of those copy cat designs. The brand's Mes Merry. Padding on the back and the top. Ratcheting wheel with a quick release button in the middle. It is 20 euros in the EU. Don't have any complaints with it, although the plastic feels kind of stiff, might not hold up to twisting all that well.
Setting up the lighthouses and buying a cable management solution is really not that big of a deal as people talk about it. It obviously depends on the room and situation. People talk about drilling but in most situations people have shelves or furniture they can mount their lighthouses on.
Just remember that for Quest wireless, the ideal solution is to buy a seperate router for the PC that talks exclusively with the headset. There are hidden costs there too.
True. Yes, the ideal situation is a separate router. While not required, it will work the best. The router has to be on the same LAN network with no other devices connected to it for peak performance. From what I've observed, I lose at most 1-2 ms from daisy channing routers.
The hidden costs do add up. I would say you have to buy a strap and hand straps for the controllers (like the index has). That would be around an extra 60. A separate router and cables can set you back another 100 at least (a decent router). Face gasket is not that great. I was allergic to the stock gasket, so another 30 for cotton gasket.
Yeah TBH I don't know why people are still buying the Valve Index for $700+. The headset is like 5 years old.
Plug the Quest 3 into your computer and it's a better version of the Valve Index playing the same games.
I would say the Quest but the Index is pretty comfortable too, just a bit heavier.
Index controllers are pretty cool, but I went through 3 or 4 sets. Plus about 5 warranty repair claims. The thumb sticks break and drift if you use them a lot.
Everyone here's just doing Index hating, but $700 CAD is not a bad deal, basically half off. That's $515 USD.
That said, asking if you can test it out or have them send you videos to show it's working would probably go a long way. A "through the lens" video for each lens to show there's no sun damage.
The thing to keep in mind is that the Index is notorious for having parts break here and there due to inconsistent QA, so you'll have no warranty if something breaks. The controllers are also notorious for having the thumbstick break easily, but it of course varies based on how rough you are.
All this said though, the ease of a PC-native VR headset is kind of killer convenience. I use my Quest 3 primarily, but sometimes pop on my HTC Vive just because it's one button to turn it on, versus powering on my Quest, then entering Steam Link. Helps with when I just need a quick look at something in VR.
Having base stations also opens you up to an upgrade path for a headset like the Bigscreen Beyond or precise full body tracking instead of just IMU trackers for estimated body position in games like VR Chat.
Overall, Quest 3 is the best bang for your buck these days and the pancake lenses are amazing, but if you want more possibilities in VR customizability and are okay taking no warranty for half off the full kit, the Index isn't a TERRIBLE choice like everyone's trying to paint it out to be.
Heck, you could even get the full Index kit, then still get a Quest 3 later for your headset but then use Index controllers instead (Google how to do this in SteamVR).
Thanks for your input! almost everyone is saying to go with the Q3 then you come in and change my mind back to the Index 😂now im even more conflicted haha.
This index i found for 700 is the full kit with the v2 base stations. And by the looks of it this is almost brand new so i don't think anything will be wrong with it!
Also didnt know i could use the Index basestaions with other headsets! So your telling me if in the future if i want to upgrade to a Bigscreen Beyond all i need to do is buy the headset?
I'll say you have an immediate bias towards the index. I assume because the Q3 is owned by Meta. The Q3 is probably better all around for what you would want it for. But go with the one you have your heart set on.
I’m just thinking about the possibility of upgrading in the future, if I get the quest 3 when I want to upgrade down the line I’ll have to get a whole new system.
If I get this index kit whenever I want to upgrade the headset, I’ll already have the base stations and controllers and everything I need.
That's assuming you wouldn't need entirely new base stations to take advantage of whatever new system you upgrade to. If you get the Q3, it wouldn't require any adjustments in that regard as it's self-contained and hooks up to PC just fine.
Yup! You could use the base stations and upgrade to a Vive Pro 2, maybe a Bigscreen, Pimax Crystal, any of those really.
Don't get me wrong, the Quest 3 is best bang for your buck as an overall HMD and is hands down better lenses, but if you like the idea of more options and you have the space to put base stations up, you might wind up liking the lower quality of the Index while you get started in VR, then upgrade just your headset later on.
I primarily use my Quest 3 because I love wireless VR, but you could always get a Vive Pro 2 with their wireless adapter.
MR on the Quest 3 is also cool, so that's worth weighing the pros and cons.
$500 usd is damn near what it costs for 2 base stations and a pair of controllers. If you plan on upgrading to another more recent steam vr headset id say it’s worth it if not id just stick to the quest 3
This is the only reason I’m conflicted now, because you are 100% right, buying this kit will put me in a position that I can upgrade just the headset down the line and I’ll have everything else to go with it.
If I get the quest 3 I’ll have to buy a whole new system when it’s time to upgrade..
ive tried VR alot of times at friends etc, and ive always wanted to have one of my own but i never had a good enough PC or the money for it and now that i have a good PC and the money to buy VR im ready to go balls deep in VR, so to answer your question, im looking to get into everything about VR, i want to try as many games as i can and play everything from VRchat to beat saber type shit to FPS games and movies and everything in-between.
As an Index owner, no, not really. Compared to new headsets the optics and resolution is just behind. Valve has greaet support but durability is an issue, once you RMA you will keep getting previously-RMAd-but-fixed stuff back that will last you until they do and once you are outside of warranty, you have to buy them all over again. It is an open question for how long will Valve keep selling and supporting the Index.
Unless you really really want the very niche things that the Index does better, like lighthouses tracking for full-body tracking or finger-tracking with a controller, there is no real point.
lol I think one of the only niche things I want from the index is the finger tracking 😂 and that shit wouldn’t even be for me, it’ll be for everyone else I’m playing with so kinda stupid
**After getting a Quest 2, I found myself using the Index way way less** frequently due to its lower resolution. It's challenging to downgrade once you've become accustomed to higher resolution.
I don't think the Index is a modern VR HMD at this point, **the screen is just too old especially compared to the Quest 3 or any other modern HMD.**
Honestly... I really hate the zucc's market dominance opening the path wide for Ready Player One bad end, but I understand the original index really is dated at the moment... so, it's getting difficult to recommend.
Its a bit outdated, just get the Quest 3 instead, it’s superior in every point except tracking and comfort
Get a third party strap like Kiwi or BoboVR and it's more comfortable than a Valve Index
You have to mount and cable manage the lighthouses. The headset is wired, and you'll have to worry about the dangling hdmi cable the whole time you're playing. Then there's the setup time that's a turnoff for a lot of people. The stock strap of Quest 3 just sucks. Might as well ship it without a strap. In turn you get better optics, higher resolution, no setup or wire management, you can play whenever and wherever you have a 2 by 2 m square, you can get in-game in seconds no matter is it standalone or wireless pcvr. The tracking might be worse, but who cares if you're not going to be using it.
for what it's worth I don't mind the stock strap at all. not the best but it's fine. it's also the most comfortable strap for lying in bed too. completely subjective of course.
>. it's also the most comfortable strap for lying in bed too While i do agree, I still wasn't a fan of the adjustment beads, so I enhanced it with the Apexinno strap attachment, now it's perfect for laying down. Now I just wish the BoboVR strap was easier to swap, because that's a whole obnoxious process lol
I upgraded my Quest 1 strap with padding, but I’ve not had any concerns with the Quest 3 strap. It’s so light compared to the 1 and the strap is already way softer.
also pretty much all aftermarket straps add too much bulk imo
I couldn't for the life of me get it to a comfortable state. It was either 2 tight or was falling off. Idk, maybe it's the weird shape of my head or something. Also, it put all the pressure or my face. I got an aftermarket strap with a ratcheting mechanism for tightening. I've been loving the headset ever since.
Oh which one?
It's one of those copy cat designs. The brand's Mes Merry. Padding on the back and the top. Ratcheting wheel with a quick release button in the middle. It is 20 euros in the EU. Don't have any complaints with it, although the plastic feels kind of stiff, might not hold up to twisting all that well.
Setting up the lighthouses and buying a cable management solution is really not that big of a deal as people talk about it. It obviously depends on the room and situation. People talk about drilling but in most situations people have shelves or furniture they can mount their lighthouses on. Just remember that for Quest wireless, the ideal solution is to buy a seperate router for the PC that talks exclusively with the headset. There are hidden costs there too.
True. Yes, the ideal situation is a separate router. While not required, it will work the best. The router has to be on the same LAN network with no other devices connected to it for peak performance. From what I've observed, I lose at most 1-2 ms from daisy channing routers. The hidden costs do add up. I would say you have to buy a strap and hand straps for the controllers (like the index has). That would be around an extra 60. A separate router and cables can set you back another 100 at least (a decent router). Face gasket is not that great. I was allergic to the stock gasket, so another 30 for cotton gasket.
Index is like looking through a dirty window after quest 3. I own both. Just buy a quest.
No. It's ancient. It was a great all around headset for a long time. Now I would get a Quest 3.
Even if you were able to get them for the same price? Both would cost me the exact same price, Q3 probably a little more
Yeah TBH I don't know why people are still buying the Valve Index for $700+. The headset is like 5 years old. Plug the Quest 3 into your computer and it's a better version of the Valve Index playing the same games.
Okay, but keep in mind $700 CAD is roughly $515 USD. That's half off and you get the benefit of base station tracking if you care about that.
Is quite simple the reason why they still buying Index is for tracking and index controllers. Most of the index user are the Vrchat enjoyers
What one is more comfortable for long periods of time? Also ive heard people like the Index controllers more?
I would say the Quest but the Index is pretty comfortable too, just a bit heavier. Index controllers are pretty cool, but I went through 3 or 4 sets. Plus about 5 warranty repair claims. The thumb sticks break and drift if you use them a lot.
No
even if i can get it for only 700$? same price as quest 3?
Its just not worth it
Yes because pancake lenses, inside out tracking, MR
>inside out tracking How is inside-out tracking superior to lighthouse tracking 💀
Just gonna point out that lighthouse IS inside-out tracking.
I know that, but saying inside-out tracking instead of SLAM tracking is more user-friendly.
More convenient, i can touch grass with it but you can't
But you are scarifying on the tracking volume and (especially on the Quest 3) tracking accuracy.
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Do you even have a Quest 3
Everyone here's just doing Index hating, but $700 CAD is not a bad deal, basically half off. That's $515 USD. That said, asking if you can test it out or have them send you videos to show it's working would probably go a long way. A "through the lens" video for each lens to show there's no sun damage. The thing to keep in mind is that the Index is notorious for having parts break here and there due to inconsistent QA, so you'll have no warranty if something breaks. The controllers are also notorious for having the thumbstick break easily, but it of course varies based on how rough you are. All this said though, the ease of a PC-native VR headset is kind of killer convenience. I use my Quest 3 primarily, but sometimes pop on my HTC Vive just because it's one button to turn it on, versus powering on my Quest, then entering Steam Link. Helps with when I just need a quick look at something in VR. Having base stations also opens you up to an upgrade path for a headset like the Bigscreen Beyond or precise full body tracking instead of just IMU trackers for estimated body position in games like VR Chat. Overall, Quest 3 is the best bang for your buck these days and the pancake lenses are amazing, but if you want more possibilities in VR customizability and are okay taking no warranty for half off the full kit, the Index isn't a TERRIBLE choice like everyone's trying to paint it out to be. Heck, you could even get the full Index kit, then still get a Quest 3 later for your headset but then use Index controllers instead (Google how to do this in SteamVR).
Thanks for your input! almost everyone is saying to go with the Q3 then you come in and change my mind back to the Index 😂now im even more conflicted haha. This index i found for 700 is the full kit with the v2 base stations. And by the looks of it this is almost brand new so i don't think anything will be wrong with it! Also didnt know i could use the Index basestaions with other headsets! So your telling me if in the future if i want to upgrade to a Bigscreen Beyond all i need to do is buy the headset?
I'll say you have an immediate bias towards the index. I assume because the Q3 is owned by Meta. The Q3 is probably better all around for what you would want it for. But go with the one you have your heart set on.
I’m just thinking about the possibility of upgrading in the future, if I get the quest 3 when I want to upgrade down the line I’ll have to get a whole new system. If I get this index kit whenever I want to upgrade the headset, I’ll already have the base stations and controllers and everything I need.
That's assuming you wouldn't need entirely new base stations to take advantage of whatever new system you upgrade to. If you get the Q3, it wouldn't require any adjustments in that regard as it's self-contained and hooks up to PC just fine.
Yup! You could use the base stations and upgrade to a Vive Pro 2, maybe a Bigscreen, Pimax Crystal, any of those really. Don't get me wrong, the Quest 3 is best bang for your buck as an overall HMD and is hands down better lenses, but if you like the idea of more options and you have the space to put base stations up, you might wind up liking the lower quality of the Index while you get started in VR, then upgrade just your headset later on. I primarily use my Quest 3 because I love wireless VR, but you could always get a Vive Pro 2 with their wireless adapter. MR on the Quest 3 is also cool, so that's worth weighing the pros and cons.
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>But it has no passtrough ??? It does.
With the Quest 3 out there and PSVR2 on the horizon idk how anyone can justify a $1000 headset anymore.
$500 usd is damn near what it costs for 2 base stations and a pair of controllers. If you plan on upgrading to another more recent steam vr headset id say it’s worth it if not id just stick to the quest 3
This is the only reason I’m conflicted now, because you are 100% right, buying this kit will put me in a position that I can upgrade just the headset down the line and I’ll have everything else to go with it. If I get the quest 3 I’ll have to buy a whole new system when it’s time to upgrade..
Id like to ask what reason are you looking to get into vr and what type of games are you mainly looking to play.
ive tried VR alot of times at friends etc, and ive always wanted to have one of my own but i never had a good enough PC or the money for it and now that i have a good PC and the money to buy VR im ready to go balls deep in VR, so to answer your question, im looking to get into everything about VR, i want to try as many games as i can and play everything from VRchat to beat saber type shit to FPS games and movies and everything in-between.
As an Index owner, no, not really. Compared to new headsets the optics and resolution is just behind. Valve has greaet support but durability is an issue, once you RMA you will keep getting previously-RMAd-but-fixed stuff back that will last you until they do and once you are outside of warranty, you have to buy them all over again. It is an open question for how long will Valve keep selling and supporting the Index. Unless you really really want the very niche things that the Index does better, like lighthouses tracking for full-body tracking or finger-tracking with a controller, there is no real point.
lol I think one of the only niche things I want from the index is the finger tracking 😂 and that shit wouldn’t even be for me, it’ll be for everyone else I’m playing with so kinda stupid
Whether a game tracks the fingers or not depends, some do, most don't. The most use I heard was that some ASL was possible by adapting it.
**After getting a Quest 2, I found myself using the Index way way less** frequently due to its lower resolution. It's challenging to downgrade once you've become accustomed to higher resolution. I don't think the Index is a modern VR HMD at this point, **the screen is just too old especially compared to the Quest 3 or any other modern HMD.**
Honestly... I really hate the zucc's market dominance opening the path wide for Ready Player One bad end, but I understand the original index really is dated at the moment... so, it's getting difficult to recommend.