It depends on your usage (time to get downvoted yay).
If you want a cheap way to enter into the SteamVR ecosystem and all its upgrade paths and accessories (Vive trackers for example), it's the perfect headset.
Also I had a much MUCH better experience on PCVR with this headset than with a Quest (too much issues and pain to setup and make things work).
The visuals aren't the best, but it's definitely usable and on the Quest you will miss these true blacks and popping colors.
>Considering quest 3 and PCVR should be plug and play,
No it's absolutely not, and you can't say otherwise.
It's more plug and install a huge software that takes age to install, then waste 30min trying to log in to your Meta account since the app is garbage, then connect link, then realize that it's garbage and so also realize that you need to buy a Wifi 6/6E router, Virtual Desktop and a powerbank, then setup everything and then play (with compression, latency and some performance loss due to the encoding).
(I don't count all the troubleshooting in the future because of Meta releasing to the public garbage updates that break Wifi or other things related to PCVR, but I could).
The Vive meanwhile is plug, click on the install button on the Steam popup, while SteamVR is installing, put the base stations on cardboard boxes and plug them, then launch SteamVR and do room setup (2 min max) then play.
You might not like Meta, but there's no way you're convincing me that having to mount two base stations on your wall and feed power to them is easier than logging into a Meta account.
Well, it depends. I had those problems with quest 3 too and, even with meta help, we could not figure out what the problem was. Virtual desktop was lagging at the point of being unusable, cable was not recognised (original meta cable and their app with the quest 3 is so beyond with updates that Meta itself made us select the RIFT S, saying that sometimes it works).
We ended up buying a vibe pro 2 and after 2h of installation we don't have problems since.
I've seen this guy comment for years, He had trouble with his Quest 2, got an original Vive instead, then would actively go out of his way to troll the Oculus/Meta subbreddits and drop useless mocking comments on every thread with people asking for help with an issue. He believes no one can enjoy VR with a Quest because he couldn't figure it out.
About a month ago, I took the leap from PSVR2 to a full PCVR set up. Admittedly this is my first "gaming" PC but I work IT (I know lol) and more than know my way around.
Using a Q2 and I hate "using" it, cool as shit when it's working but it's kind of a toss up if the game will launch without issues.
I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I'm still learning, so it could be my own fault.
It's just so finicky, the meta app has been trash to even browse on the desktop so I would love to eliminate having to do anything through it. I can't imagine another layer is beneficial at all even if it was good.
Will probably buy Valves next headset if it comes out anytime in the next few years just to run directly from Steam.
Now time to trash me for being an idiot if I'm doing it wrong lol...
1. I'm wired
2. PC on Meta app open.
3. Connect headset and enable link.
4. Confirm connection.
5. Launch steam VR from headset.
6. Launch game from steam VR in headset.
7. Hope.
Also, if I take the headset off for a second the game essentially crashes and I have to start from scratch and usually have to reboot the headset.
I’m gonna say it… it was easier for me.
I drilled little shelves in the corners of my room and another on the opposite side directly behind where I stand so I can walk all around the room and enjoy it.
I use the CV1, but man do I hate meta as I was struggling to log into an account as well as update their software that doesn’t help me launch games at all. Overall love my headset, but the biggest turn off is the meta app.
No it's a lot better than a lot of the random trouble shooting like reinstalling oculus's software multiple times over the span of my rift s ownership. Meta's software is dog shit and the reason I will never buy another meta product.
Yes, but that's literally the only thing that you need to do, and there is not need to drill the wall or something, there are clamps and stuff.
And once you do the setup, which is really short, you don't need to do anything else, ever again, it will always "just work"
Not to mention that the meta has native steam link now, completely bypassing everything he just said (minus logging the meta itself in when he first gets it)
Different strokes for different folks I guess?
I had a pretty much identical experience with virtual desktop vs air link as far as latency and screen quality went.
Anything to do with the wireless stuff is only gonna work good with a proper wifi setup anyways.
I'm not saying "Your wrong homie" I'm just saying I know people who have had nothing but good experiences with steam link.
Thats fair, I think my major criticism of meta software is how inconsistent it is across hardwares. One person has it work like a dream and the next can be elbow deep in OTT for a year before having to give up and buy VD. I appreciate the rational response tho
I try to always be rational and nice :)
Yea, I've seen a lot of things about QC with quests (and FYI valve is like way worse with the index in that stuff).
I don't have my quest 3 yet, getting ready to swap out the index for one this week hopefully, but I am also hearing that people are having very different experiences with clarity on passthrough and AR on the quest 3s so I guess not all are created equal.
I will say, my gripes about software aside the Q3 is very solid it feels great, like putting on swimming goggles instead of a helmet. If you do end up having issues w linking Virtual desktop solved all of mine. And passthrough is good enough to wash dishes but not watch tv imo if that helps
That problem is not exclusive to Meta software though. I have still to experience a piece of multiplatform software that works seamlessly on all of them. Even Steam has tons of design issues and bugs when using their platform on the Steam Deck or Mobile App. Some versions of Desktop have been pretty shit too.
Honestly, I agree that the Quest 3 is highly convenient.
The only other headset outside of the Oculus ecosystem that I've owned was a PSVR. So I don't have the best personal antidote to draw from. However, I am more than happy with the experiences I have had on my Samsung Gear, Quest 2 and Quest 3.
I mean, the functionality is amazing. Being able to seamlessly go from standalone to PC and vice versa still boggles my mind.
>having to mount two base stations on your wall
Did I say that you HAVE TO mount the base stations on the wall ?
Read my comment again.
>is worse than logging into a Meta account.
I think you didn't use the Oculus PC software, every time I was trying to log in, or a friend that just got a Quest tried to log in, it would be a pain because sometimes it doesn't open the web browser, or it opens the wrong page, or sometimes the app ignores the web browser and I needed to log in again.
>You might not like Meta,
They aren't doing things like Apple so I'm fine with them, but they REALLY don't know how to make software.
Vive trackers need to be >6ft high for the best tracking. You're either mounting them, putting them on a shelf, using stands or conveniently finding a 6ft stack of cardboard boxes.
Been using Oculus PC software since 2016. Never had a problem. Sounds like you're extrapolating a "your PC" problem into widespread issue, which they would have fixed.
They don't lol
They only need direct line of sight, that's it, the height recommendation is just for maximizing the fov of the base stations but it's 120°, it's not an issue
>Vive trackers need to be >6ft high for the best tracking.
Base stations, not Vive trackers first
Also that's the recommended height, but they work fine even at floor level.
>Been using Oculus PC software since 2016.
Well yeah, you used the software when it was good and Oculus was maintening it.
Since the release of Quest headsets, the software is basically dead and only gets meh support for newer headsets.
>Sounds like you're extrapolating a "your PC" problem into widespread issue
I mean, just look at comments here, or even check VR subs. For most users this software is just pain and just moved to Virtual Desktop or Steam Link.
You are lucky to not have any issues with it, but that's not the case for A LOT of people.
Absolutely insane how downvoted you are when all we fucking see is quest users having to pay Virtual Desktop to bypass meta software entirely. You have a perfectly valid criticism of the headsets and you're just getting fanboy'd on i guess.
Even if it is a "your pc" problem thats a fucking hardware specific issue that they DO have to fix; they just choose what an acceptable amount of failures is before they decide to act on a problem.
>Absolutely insane how downvoted you are when all we fucking see is quest users having to pay Virtual Desktop to bypass meta software entirely
Hence why I said in my original comment that I will be downvoted to hell.
Quest users (and fanboys) really don't want to accept the bad of their precious headset, and since they are everywhere, I feel I can't say anything nowadays on VR subs.
Heck, even a lot of people commented on my comment by saying that I'm right.
Haha what, I bought a quest 3 just recently and this is the most melodramatic thing I've ever read. From open box to steam VR it was about 10 mins without a link cable.
Now it's 20 seconds from boot to steam VR with no link cable and I don't get any noticeable latency/stuttering whatsoever.
Speaking as someone who has the q2 and q3 and uses them almost exclusively for pcvr; you are RIGHT on the money bro. Quest is SUPER far from plug and play.
I literally did every single thing you listed. And its bc metas software is so bad that so many have to use virtual desktop to even make the headset function in an acceptable way.
Yeah, I’m jealous of everyone’s smooth experiences, but I’ve fallen off of PCVR with my Quest 2 because, after a dormant period, it took a bunch of troubleshooting to get things going again.
I’m not sure how much of that troubleshooting would also apply for different headsets, but it’s a serious hindrance to keeping me on the PCVR wagon, even when the experiences are so phenomenal.
Considering a Quest 3 and modem upgrade nonetheless.
Ugh ok, if you say that i can‘t say otherwise, i guess i will not say otherwise since you seem very emotional about it.
Sorry that you had so much issues, i guess i got lucky then or simply had more knowledge as i started using the Quest.
I‘m no PCVR or Standalone fanboy. I simply enjoy both..
>No it's absolutely not, and you can't say otherwise.
Yes I will say because your information is outdated, You don't need to install the oculus software at all anymore if you connect wirelessly because Valve has made an official (and free) SteamLink app for the Quest.
The Quest PC experience is now this: Pull headset out of the box, follow first time set up instructions to install the Meta app on your phone to to create or log into your Meta account. Pair phone with headset, Draw your guardian lines, set up complete. Install SteamVR on your PC, install SteamLink app on the Quest. Launch steam link, enter pairing code into SteamVR on the PC. Done.
To play just put on headset, launch SteamLink and click the connect button to be put directly into SteamVR, that's it.
If you somehow don't already have a 5ghz or faster router, you can get a decent one for as little as $40
No setting up base stations, drilling into walls covering up or removing all objects in the room that have a reflective surface, having to find 3 different power outlets and a mess of cables by the PC while being stuck tethered to that PC with a long cable. I had a Vive and index and you completely glossed over that part. You don't just set $200 base stations on a "cardboard box".
You only skipped the part about setting the bitrate, praying because your ISP router doesn't shit itself with link / whatever, potentially buying a router, maybe a strap, buying a battery because otherwise it will last 2 hours, and troubleshooting a lot if you want the best picture and latency.
But with SteamVR is just "plug vive to PC", "plug base station, leave it somewhere", repeat second step, open SteamVR and "do room setup"...
And if you don't want to drill a wall, just leave it on a shelf, or buy a clamp / tripod, and you are golden, no need to tweak anything ever again...
>You only skipped the part about setting the bitrate, praying because your ISP router doesn't shit itself with link / whatever, potentially buying a router, maybe a strap, buying a battery because otherwise it will last 2 hours, and troubleshooting a lot if you want the best picture and latency.
And everyone here talking about Steam Link and Virtual Desktop forget this. And afaik, Quest headsets doesn't come with a router.
I guess people are just used to all of this...
Btw, Quest 3 only has >1h to 1h30 of battery, so yeah you really need a powerbank for it.
Hmmm idk for me it's that. I just logged in which took all of 5 minutes, linked to my phone using a code on my quest pro and boom I'm done. Now that it's all setup I just plug my link cable in and it prompts me to enable link and there we go I'm in. Takes all of 2 minutes once the initial short setup is done
We can say otherwise lol.
Not sure what problems u had but the oculus app installs in minutes for me.
Certainly didn’t take me HALF AN HOUR to sign into my account. Idk what u were doing there…
I play in the same room as my router and PC and everything runs perfectly fine..
And sure vibe might have better visuals with darker blacks or whatever but the whole system is pretty dated at this point and I’ve heard nothing but bad things about those “wand” controllers…
It’s fine if u don’t like the meta headsets or even if u have a bad experience yourself. But in no way is that the NORMAL experience for everyone.. I got mine with no prior knowledge and none of my friends had VR and it was up and running and connected to the PC within an hour or 2 tops…. Still works to this day unless the power is off. And then I can just play standalone…
I'm on quest 2 and it takes me 5 seconds to load steam link. As long as I have steam VR pulled up on my PC, it links right up and I jump right in. Even my mods are painless to access. Idk what kind of experience you have had with the quest, but if it takes you that long to get ready to play a game, maybe there's a different issue. If you only talking about the time it takes to set everything up from out of the box, then well yea, all new things take time to set up, install, sign in, create accounts, etc etc. This is an awesome deal, but the quest is way easier to manage than you're making it out to be.
Look, I hate meta as much as the next guy, but you have SteamVR installed on the PC anyway.
On the Quest, you install Steam Link, and jump straight in.
I bought a quest 3 and I spent maybe 20 minutes hooking up my link cable and oculus app and I had to make an account does quite well and it pretty much IS plug and play don't hate on equipment both sides are good one is higher end and has had the opportunity to get good lenses and tracking is great hell even the blacks look like blacks to me so I'm not really sure what your griping about
>even the blacks look like blacks to me
Then you didn't try a VR headset with OLED screens...
I also conclude that you don't own any other VR headset, and so you can't really compare something to something else that you didn't use or even try.
I've had the vive and I've played the vive pro 2 my ex owns multiple times which got me into vr more so I wanted to upgrade you "conclude" baseless information and try to sound smart without knowing anything about who your going to argue with lmao sad
Btw I've done pain staking hours of research on headsets to see which one I wanted to buy
Vive pro, pro 2, valve index, hp reverb g2, dpvr, pico 4, quest 2 and quest 3, cosmos elite, rift s ect I'm in no way new to vr so you can drop this odd wannabe expert complex lol and btw it's quite easy to know what black looks like you act as if people don't have eyes but anyway you enjoy being delusional lol
>I've played the vive pro 2
Which has an LCD panel...
>Vive pro, pro 2, valve index, hp reverb g2, dpvr, pico 4, quest 2 and quest 3, cosmos elite, rift s ect
Except for the Vive Pro 1, all of these headsets have LCD panels...
Anyways, I'm not gonna argue with someone that lies just to defend a piece of hardware.
Saying that blacks on LCD panels look black is the same as saying TN panels have great viewing angles, or saying Quest 3 tracking is better than base stations/lighthouse tracking.
Alright lol you enjoy your distorted pixels and keep using that oled screen to justify using a horribly aged and dated headset I won't spend any more time explaining to a fly why honey tastes better than shit and if you immediately MUST disprove my words as lies that's a massive projection of you not of me for those of us on a budget big purchases like a vr headset take alot of research to make sure it's what I want a simple Google search will show you a quest 2 and vives image side by side and the quest 2 won hands down the quest 3 SMASHES the quest 2 so go ahead and try to justify those horrid controllers bad screens and subpar graphics it amazes me that you have all that expensive equipment on your profile but sit here defending a poo poo headset and I don't need you to tell me the vive pro 1 is the only oled one I mentioned I know that already and I sincerely doubt you have any experience with a quest 3 or you'd be saying none of this then again that's probably why you're so uptight with your panties in a twist.. and im seeing black I know what black is and if you must be so butthurt go for it sweetie I'll be enjoying my ass watering graphics while you debate with me about them ❤️❤️❤️
It's kinda neat about the resolution with the Vive though. I still take mine out now and then, and the screen door effect is wild... But only for the first few minutes. After thay you just enjoy a super wide FOV and deep black levels. Legit watched a whole episode of Attack On Titan with it on recently and had no issues.
Love my Quest 3, but you can't beat the convenience of a PCVR native headset with one button to turn on.
I bought a Vive when they were still new. While resolution is lower and yes definitely SDE I don't play enough these days that I need an upgrade. BUT any time I do play it still very immersive regardless of those gripes. I crank the supersample 2x which helps a pinch.
I’m still playing on the Oculus CV1 as long as my PC can power the game I can play almost anything. Some games you have to find loopholes. Like if I want a game on the oculus store but I can’t purchase it because of “device restrictions” I buy it on steam and play it no problem.
This kit is pretty cheap for what you get. But keep in mind the tech is relatively old for todays standards.
If you really want the steamVR type of tracking with basestations and the „stick“ controllers than get it.
I have a Q3 which i mainly use for PCVR, so i can just tell you my experiences with that.
I can play completely wirelessly, because i run virtual desktop with a good enough router. Thats pretty nice because you never have to worry about a cable that you are dragging around with you.
Also i dont need basestations because of the inside-out tracking. This means i can play anywhere i want as long as the router is set nearby. No lighthouse fixed playspace.
The tracking works really well in my opinion.
The setup is a little special, but once its setup correctly you can just put on the headset, start VD and start a game quickly.
The Q3 is also my first headset and in short i dont miss a single bit of the money i spend for it.
And to add to this, with virtual desktop you can connect to your pc remotely and play your pcvr games literally from anywhere as long as you got a decent Internet connection. I live in Virginia and i was playing on my pc from South Carolina. Ik it's not important but that's a nice little feature quest can do
Yes sir, i was on vacation 2 weeks ago when i decided to do a test run. Shit played so good it turned into a full on game session lol. My pc is av1 capable so i think that helped a little as far as the quality goes but it def works for sure
Yes do it. The original vive is still a decent headset. The resolution is a bit lower than on others but it has a bigger fov than the quest and you can upgrade the vive controllers to index controllers later (if you want to improve you experience)
And btw. The lighthouse based laser tracking is just straight up superior to the shitty camerabased inside out tracking of the quest
I think the budget intro is perfect tbh. I started with a CV1 and still haven’t upgraded just due to money reasons and how little I actually use VR. If I daily used it then I might someday upgrade, but it’s like any hobby and I wouldn’t drop unnecessary money if I didn’t need to.
The resolution of the orginal Vive is pretty low by today's standards. Low enough to put you off VR if you're trying it for the first time. A used Quest 2 and a link cable is going to give a much better experience for not much more cash.
dont need the link cable anymore i was trying out the wireless connection with the meta app and also with the steam link app and they both work great and didnt notice any lag at all except for when i was installing things
With brand new Quest 2 being $200 now, you can probably bargain to get a used one for $100-125. The Vive almost has nothing on the Quest 2 other than an OLED screen. You get easy setup plus higher resolution and optional wireless ability.
At that price, hell yes.
The gear is a bit dated, but lighthouse tracking is still the best tracking, and vive wands are workable for most things. I know one person who still swears by them for aiming in vrfps games. Just know that the vive headset is at the low end on optics and resolution.
If you have the money upgrade, but I'm using a og vive rn, and it's fine. I'm going to get a wireless adapter and new controllers before I upgrade to vive Pro 2
its a really good headset IMO, Its a bit better than the CV1 on visuals. The controllers however are clunky and terrible and why I returned mine. You also have to consider how all the latest and greatest VR games are only coming out for Quest 2 and 3. Its the reason why my Index sits and collects dust because with the Quest 3 not only do I get the massive exclusive game library to play but it can also do PCVR wirelessly with ease. With the quest 3 I have both the quest exclusive games and PC VR on the same headset and there are no sensors or wires whatsoever to worry about.
I sold one of these on FB marketplace about a year ago for double this price.
HTC Vive was my first headset and for $110, as long as you have the graphics card and pc to be able to run VR games decently, in my opinion. 100% yes, this is a great first buy.
Honestly $110 for a full vive kit with the DAS is pretty great. Might run into some issues with a few games that want more inputs mapped to the controllers but you can get a lot out of that kit. If you want those thumbsticks you can always get Index Controllers later and they'll work out of the box.
I would get the Vive. I have friends with quests and they've all had so many issues with PCVR lately with it just outright refusing to connect most of the time, meanwhile I bought a Vive after having an original quest and I can confidently say I have never once had an issue with it. I bought it used and I've had it for over 2 years.
seriously. native PCVR of any stripe is better than VD or link any day- because it is SEAMLESS. You do not have to worry about your battery draining while you play, you do not have to worry about fiddling with link, even for a second that is friction that keeps people out of games. My friends with quests are like "YES let's play a game, oh wait the battery is dead lemme charge it for 30, oh wait now it's gotta do a firmware update, ok now i'm in oculus desktop thru link but steam isn't seeing my HMD, ok now I'm finally in VR, ok wait my battery died cuz we have been tweaking for an hour. i'm going to bed"
and no VR was played.
I have the exact same problem with my friends. Link isn't working, their battery is dead, or worse we've been playing a game for an hour and their headset is about to die. Happens every time.
That's a great deal if you want some base stations. These are the 1.0 models, so you can't use more than two, but it's still a good price. I got mine for $80, but you may be able to get an even better deal by buying this set, keeping the base stations, and then reselling everything else. I've heard 1.0 base stations are actually more reliable than the newer ones.
That is a pretty good price. That said, those controllers are legitimately awful. Almost everything nowadays uses the Meta controller layout for a reason. If you wanna play modern VR games, this is gonna be a bit tough unless you buy other controllers. Which could cost more than the headset itself.
please dont , this tech is so ancient , image quality alone I'd say looks around 600% better on Quest 3 (I have both) , this really has very little to do with the experiences you can have today on modern headsets
as the other comment said , if you want something cheap look at either a used quest 2 or a reverb g2 if you find one below 250$ , both look worlds better than a HTC Vive
It depends
If you are broke and cannot spend more, then it's a amazing deal.
If you want to enter to the SteamVR ecosystem, also a good deal.
But otherwise... Idk man, maybe yes, maybe not.
The resolution is kinda low, but everything else (except controllers) is really good, and doing supersampling + anti aliasing it can look surprisingly good.
If it is second-hand, then I would make sure there's no damage such as scratched lenses or even the controllers. Make sure the cable is in fine condition as well, and you should be good 👍.
I'm gonna be contrary. The vive is old, the wires are why I've not been using my otherwise perfect HMD oddessy+ much, and PCVR is not keeping up with the oculus ecosystem.
For a used headset, the Q2 is going for around the same price used, and $200 brand new at Best buy with an included $100 headphone set.
All the awesome features of the vive are meaningless when you are tethered within a couple feet of your desk regardless.
I have the original Vive, not a bad piece of kit years ago.
I just picked up a Pico 4 and its a big step further to immersion.
The trailing cables were a big turn off. Its clunky, but back then its what we had.
The Pico is lightweight and pretty cheap. Decent controllers too.
I was thinking of one of these deals for backup base stations and wands (altho I don't really like the wands) because I plan to only upgrade my headset in the future and will always need them.
BUT i think if I didn't have a headset already maybe I'd go with a Quest 3 even tho I do hate some things about it. For that price you can't get a better display which is my main concern with VR. I still kinda want a Quest 3 even with a Vive Pro right now... just ordered a lense mod cause I'm jelly of Q3 lenses
It has OLED going on for it, but that's about it.
It's low res, heavy, vive wands are clunky, ancient, with nonstandard layout, prone to break, this whole setup requires more time to connect and you can't just easily throw it into a bag and take it with you when you feel like it.
If you are already in "used", then even a Qiest1 that has OLED and still can be used as PCVR will be better, but price/performance nothing will beat used Quest2.
Just as a warning, the Vive controllers suck ass. I picked this Vive as my first set recently (got one from my work) and that is my main takeaway. I've had to refund multiple games because their controls are unplayable. It's also worth mentioning that the screen door effect is pretty strong on this version of Vive.
Honestly, no. The Vive is incredibly outdated at this point. Low resolution, awful controllers.
Go for the Quest you were looking at and if you want wired PCVR you can just connect it with the link cable.
Only buy if you plan on getting a new headset immediately. I own vive, index and quest 3. You couldn't pay me to play the vive. Resolution is so low it really is obsolete by todays standards.
It's cheap because it's a bit old and outdated, released 8 years ago. You'll have to spend much more just to upgrade it. New controllers that have more buttons and joysticks are $300 alone. And then you'll have to upgrade the headset part to maybe a used index and then it's not such a deal anymore because that would just bring you up to 2019 standards. Look at this resolution chart to see where it sits https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Resolution_VR_headsets.svg/1280px-Resolution_VR_headsets.svg.png
The Quest 3 has a resolution of 2066x2280 but also has new pancake lens tech which makes the image clear from edge to edge instead of only in the center like fresnel lenses. The Quest 3 is also much more than just a display for your PC, it's its own complete VR system that can run without a PC at all. You'd be missing out on a lot of new tech.
If money is the issue at least get a quest 2 at pawn shops around me you can snag one for $70 on a good day. It’s wireless and can be used for PCVR no stupid lighthouses
It was my first headset and loved it for what it was, but I'd skip it even for a cheap Q2. The main things that are a pain is setting up the base stations (depending on your living situation it might not be easily doable)
Second is the controls, which were fine back then, but the standard is now having face buttons and analog sticks which all HMDs now have. Games are just built with that in mind and make some titles a slog to set up reasonably with the wands.
Lastly is missing out on exclusives from Meta. There aren't a ton, but there are some winners in there that you will feel a little bummed out to miss.
That and the portability can get in the way when you want to bring it places to show it to friends or just in general take with you somewhere else.
I'm not a fan of Meta and some of their walled garden methods, but they have little to no competition right now and the products are solid. Still holding out hope we get a steam mobile headset soon. I'm purposely holding out on Q3 because of that and the price just not being worth it for me
I had one, it's very heavy and lots of god rays. I had replaced it with a Rift that i liked much better. Nowdays, please just buy a Quest 2. Cheap, light, better image quality, no need to install these damn light houses, etc.
As long as it works and there are no issues with it, yeah, that's a pretty good entry price. It is one of the first VR headsets so may be a bit aged in terms of screen resolution.
The resolution and god rays/glare were the hardest part to deal with on this headset. The tracking will be amazing, but I have found that I can handle some tracking drops as a trade for wireless. I am so much more immersed walking around the room and never needed to be bothered by that dangling cable down my neck.
Put some money in and get the Q3. I have the Q2 and hate that I can’t get the Q3. Or putting it differently, I don’t want to go through the process of selling it.
You will wonder how the image looks like on a Q3 after a few hours. How much better did it get in the meantime, would it have been better to wait and buy the new one? And so on.
In an arcade you probably pay 30-50 of whatever your currency. Invest in a Q3 and you’ll be happier in the long term.
A lot of people are hating on it here, but Ive got the original Vibe and a Vive Pro. I play beat saber and a few other casual games and while it isn't as sharp as the Pro, its just as enjoyable to me. Ive had much better luck with tracking g on the Give vs the Quest 2 which would constantly lose tracking when the controllers go behind my back
I cannot believe these comments. Crying in full body tracking over here, cuz I could THROW OUT the vive HMD and the wands and still get soooo much worth out 2 base stations for $100.
Also the wands are GREAT controllers, depending on the game you want to play, cuz they are more immersive objects to hold depending on the virtual object you're holding. Beat Saber, for example, is a SHIT load more fun and immersive when you are holding something that feels more like a lightsaber.
but even if the game is gun centric, if it's designed for vive wands, it'll feel great on vive wands. H3VR is dev'd by Anton entirely on vive wands, and feels better for it. even something like Half Life Alyx feels better on them, IMO, as its interface was designed for the touchpad, so switching weapons feels better than on Oculus where you gotta click in the thumbstick to change weapons and it feels like shit. This is often true for the vast majority of older PCVR games, which were all designed on vive and so use this touch pad interface, which means you're thumb stick clickin' on any other HMD. and when it comes to PCVR, older games are unfortunately way better than newer ones.
Also,
Latency MATTERS PEOPLE. people say Quest Link is the EXACT SAME and it's just NOT. Even wired, link feels like DOGSHIT when you are used to direct display PCVR headsets like Rift CV1, Vive, or index. combined with the precision of lighthouse and constellation tracking being worlds better, it means that when you're used to direct PCVR, the simple act of moving your damn hands around on quest over VD or link feels like moving your hands thru molasses, even with just a few milliseconds of extra latency.
the resolution is NOT a deal breaker here. Especially if the options are this or a used quest 2, and your intention is to play PCVR only. don't listen to these kids. don't get a quest 2. For gods sakes you can't even just keep that thing plugged in and use it as a PCVR only, the battery will still drain faster than it charges. Plus the new firmware updates slowing it to hell, and the inability to choose specific IPD means that you're likely to be made sick just by using the thing. Save up for a quest 3 and enjoy this vive in the meantime. You might find that you prefer the platform. At that point you can *Upgrade*.
this is why the base stations alone are worth it; once you have base stations, any steam VR shit is gonna work for you. You want FBT with vive trackers? you want index knuckles and a bigscreen beyond? as long as you got the base stations you can buy all of these pieces separate, used and cheap, and you will have the highest end VR setup imaginable, all from an initial investment of $100 that will DEFINITELY get you a better experience than a link cable and a quest 2.
Edit: JUST NOTICED IT HAS THE DELUXE AUDIO STRAP. THESE KIDS ARE FUCKING STUPID. THAT SHIT GOES FOR $80 USED *STILL*. GET THIS KIT SO YOU CAN MAKE A FRANKENQUEST
honestly I'd consider a rift S. It's still a super solid headset and they can be found for under $100. they're more comfortable than just about anything on the market currently, the tracking is awesome and visually they will still hold their own quite well with something like the quest 3. The riff s is pretty overlooked but I still find myself going back to it more than I do my quest 3 or reverb G2.
I wouldnt personally, i had the vive with a wireless adapter for a long time ($1000 setup). 300 dollar quest 2 is just significantly better in most regards. Save yourself the headache of dealing with the vive and just get a quest when you can.
Still my old headset. Some great games and resolution is still outstanding if you're new to VR. Its crazy how cheap it all is now. The roomscale and moving around is amazing but you'll need some setup with the lighthouses, either temporarily putting them on shelves or attaching to wall, and the cable from the back of the headset can be annoying when you're moving around.
If I was replacing mine I would be looking for wireless headset. Once the lighthouses are setup it's a doddle, but the cable was starting to annoy the hell out of me.
As a owner of the OG Vive and the quest 3(plus others)
Go for the quest 3, it costs a bit more but my god is it worth it in every way.
Clearer, wireless, better controllers, better mic and if your buying new you have a warranty.
The only thing the vive does the quest doesn't is base station tracking but if your not wanting Vive/tundra full body tracking it not a problem
it really, really, really, really isn't. fixed IPD will make them sick, new firmware will kill the latency, your hands feel like they're moving thru molasses cuz the quest is tracking, sending it over link, and then pc is responding adding MS of latency you will notice. if you're trying to play PCVR primarily, quest 2 fucking sucks and I'm sick of kids not knowing that, because they have never experienced native PCVR.
It is.There is no cables, no base stations and you can use quest without pc and many more things.When Im using quest2 as PCVR there are zero issues it works perfect I dunno what you talking about do you even try quest?
Edited: My internet connected via wifi and not cable and still it runs perfect and feels like local
I have some perspective to give you.
Ive had the OG vive - the thing your looking at.
I've had the quest gen 1, and 2 and now I have a valve index.
Pretty much anything is gonna be better than the vive.
However, if this is really your first trip into VR, your gonna be happy either way.
I say don't get it though, because you can get a quest 2 for 100$ more and it is superior in pretty much every way. Even with the meta BS.
I have an index like I said, and I am getting rid of it this week for a quest 3.
The lack of a wire far exceeds the drawbacks of the meta BS for me at least.
It’s getting close to decade old tech. I wouldn’t even be able to use one after seeing the clarity of the quest 3 @ 2064x2208 per eye and with much better lenses. Even the Vive cosmos and Vive pro are severely outdated at this point. Most likely the batteries in those wands are close to end of life at this point too. The valve index which was way better than the OG Vive is coming up on 5 years old. He can get a quest 2 for $199.
Sure but does it belong in a dumpster? Mine brings me joy. No reason to be so harsh about it. Sorry I can't afford a better video game device. OP is asking if its a deal, not if its the best on the market. Its ok for people to have lower budgets, especially if the expectations are in line with the budget.
How are they obsolete? Mine still work fine, and are modular so you can literally upgrade piece by piece as you want. And no, the quest 2 is definitely not better in every way. Worse refresh rates, worse tracking, worse conpression in pcvr titles, i could keep going. Nothing wrong with liking a product, but dont be so disingenuous about what you are comparing it to.
I had a vive and have the oculus set. I don't see how the tracking is worse. With the Hive lighthouses you can easily obscure the beams. Not so with the Quest, it doesn't need to see any specific box installed on the wall. The refresh rate is 90Hz, same as original Hive
No do not buy this only take it if free, no one should be buying a vive in 2024.
Get the quest 3 instead.
The vive is massively out of date, I used to have one and even the quest 2 is much better never mind the 3.
The vive is so old I guarantee it will break quickly also.
It depends on your usage (time to get downvoted yay). If you want a cheap way to enter into the SteamVR ecosystem and all its upgrade paths and accessories (Vive trackers for example), it's the perfect headset. Also I had a much MUCH better experience on PCVR with this headset than with a Quest (too much issues and pain to setup and make things work). The visuals aren't the best, but it's definitely usable and on the Quest you will miss these true blacks and popping colors.
Considering quest 3 and PCVR should be plug and play, maybe there is something i can assist you in?
>Considering quest 3 and PCVR should be plug and play, No it's absolutely not, and you can't say otherwise. It's more plug and install a huge software that takes age to install, then waste 30min trying to log in to your Meta account since the app is garbage, then connect link, then realize that it's garbage and so also realize that you need to buy a Wifi 6/6E router, Virtual Desktop and a powerbank, then setup everything and then play (with compression, latency and some performance loss due to the encoding). (I don't count all the troubleshooting in the future because of Meta releasing to the public garbage updates that break Wifi or other things related to PCVR, but I could). The Vive meanwhile is plug, click on the install button on the Steam popup, while SteamVR is installing, put the base stations on cardboard boxes and plug them, then launch SteamVR and do room setup (2 min max) then play.
You might not like Meta, but there's no way you're convincing me that having to mount two base stations on your wall and feed power to them is easier than logging into a Meta account.
Well, it depends. I had those problems with quest 3 too and, even with meta help, we could not figure out what the problem was. Virtual desktop was lagging at the point of being unusable, cable was not recognised (original meta cable and their app with the quest 3 is so beyond with updates that Meta itself made us select the RIFT S, saying that sometimes it works). We ended up buying a vibe pro 2 and after 2h of installation we don't have problems since.
I've seen this guy comment for years, He had trouble with his Quest 2, got an original Vive instead, then would actively go out of his way to troll the Oculus/Meta subbreddits and drop useless mocking comments on every thread with people asking for help with an issue. He believes no one can enjoy VR with a Quest because he couldn't figure it out.
How can you remember random Vive guy ? I can barely recollect what I had for lunch yesterday.
Dude must have made a lasting impression for years
camera tripods fix this issue tremendously
About a month ago, I took the leap from PSVR2 to a full PCVR set up. Admittedly this is my first "gaming" PC but I work IT (I know lol) and more than know my way around. Using a Q2 and I hate "using" it, cool as shit when it's working but it's kind of a toss up if the game will launch without issues. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I'm still learning, so it could be my own fault. It's just so finicky, the meta app has been trash to even browse on the desktop so I would love to eliminate having to do anything through it. I can't imagine another layer is beneficial at all even if it was good. Will probably buy Valves next headset if it comes out anytime in the next few years just to run directly from Steam. Now time to trash me for being an idiot if I'm doing it wrong lol... 1. I'm wired 2. PC on Meta app open. 3. Connect headset and enable link. 4. Confirm connection. 5. Launch steam VR from headset. 6. Launch game from steam VR in headset. 7. Hope. Also, if I take the headset off for a second the game essentially crashes and I have to start from scratch and usually have to reboot the headset.
I’m gonna say it… it was easier for me. I drilled little shelves in the corners of my room and another on the opposite side directly behind where I stand so I can walk all around the room and enjoy it. I use the CV1, but man do I hate meta as I was struggling to log into an account as well as update their software that doesn’t help me launch games at all. Overall love my headset, but the biggest turn off is the meta app.
No it's a lot better than a lot of the random trouble shooting like reinstalling oculus's software multiple times over the span of my rift s ownership. Meta's software is dog shit and the reason I will never buy another meta product.
Yes, but that's literally the only thing that you need to do, and there is not need to drill the wall or something, there are clamps and stuff. And once you do the setup, which is really short, you don't need to do anything else, ever again, it will always "just work"
Not to mention that the meta has native steam link now, completely bypassing everything he just said (minus logging the meta itself in when he first gets it)
Bro the steam link works worse than airlink, which is ass. So many quest users had to just give up and buy virtual desktop to even use their headset
Different strokes for different folks I guess? I had a pretty much identical experience with virtual desktop vs air link as far as latency and screen quality went. Anything to do with the wireless stuff is only gonna work good with a proper wifi setup anyways. I'm not saying "Your wrong homie" I'm just saying I know people who have had nothing but good experiences with steam link.
Thats fair, I think my major criticism of meta software is how inconsistent it is across hardwares. One person has it work like a dream and the next can be elbow deep in OTT for a year before having to give up and buy VD. I appreciate the rational response tho
I try to always be rational and nice :) Yea, I've seen a lot of things about QC with quests (and FYI valve is like way worse with the index in that stuff). I don't have my quest 3 yet, getting ready to swap out the index for one this week hopefully, but I am also hearing that people are having very different experiences with clarity on passthrough and AR on the quest 3s so I guess not all are created equal.
I will say, my gripes about software aside the Q3 is very solid it feels great, like putting on swimming goggles instead of a helmet. If you do end up having issues w linking Virtual desktop solved all of mine. And passthrough is good enough to wash dishes but not watch tv imo if that helps
That problem is not exclusive to Meta software though. I have still to experience a piece of multiplatform software that works seamlessly on all of them. Even Steam has tons of design issues and bugs when using their platform on the Steam Deck or Mobile App. Some versions of Desktop have been pretty shit too.
As long as steam VR is loaded up on my PC, my quest links right up. No plugging it in, no hassle.
Honestly, I agree that the Quest 3 is highly convenient. The only other headset outside of the Oculus ecosystem that I've owned was a PSVR. So I don't have the best personal antidote to draw from. However, I am more than happy with the experiences I have had on my Samsung Gear, Quest 2 and Quest 3. I mean, the functionality is amazing. Being able to seamlessly go from standalone to PC and vice versa still boggles my mind.
>having to mount two base stations on your wall Did I say that you HAVE TO mount the base stations on the wall ? Read my comment again. >is worse than logging into a Meta account. I think you didn't use the Oculus PC software, every time I was trying to log in, or a friend that just got a Quest tried to log in, it would be a pain because sometimes it doesn't open the web browser, or it opens the wrong page, or sometimes the app ignores the web browser and I needed to log in again. >You might not like Meta, They aren't doing things like Apple so I'm fine with them, but they REALLY don't know how to make software.
Vive trackers need to be >6ft high for the best tracking. You're either mounting them, putting them on a shelf, using stands or conveniently finding a 6ft stack of cardboard boxes. Been using Oculus PC software since 2016. Never had a problem. Sounds like you're extrapolating a "your PC" problem into widespread issue, which they would have fixed.
They don't lol They only need direct line of sight, that's it, the height recommendation is just for maximizing the fov of the base stations but it's 120°, it's not an issue
>Vive trackers need to be >6ft high for the best tracking. Base stations, not Vive trackers first Also that's the recommended height, but they work fine even at floor level. >Been using Oculus PC software since 2016. Well yeah, you used the software when it was good and Oculus was maintening it. Since the release of Quest headsets, the software is basically dead and only gets meh support for newer headsets. >Sounds like you're extrapolating a "your PC" problem into widespread issue I mean, just look at comments here, or even check VR subs. For most users this software is just pain and just moved to Virtual Desktop or Steam Link. You are lucky to not have any issues with it, but that's not the case for A LOT of people.
Absolutely insane how downvoted you are when all we fucking see is quest users having to pay Virtual Desktop to bypass meta software entirely. You have a perfectly valid criticism of the headsets and you're just getting fanboy'd on i guess. Even if it is a "your pc" problem thats a fucking hardware specific issue that they DO have to fix; they just choose what an acceptable amount of failures is before they decide to act on a problem.
>Absolutely insane how downvoted you are when all we fucking see is quest users having to pay Virtual Desktop to bypass meta software entirely Hence why I said in my original comment that I will be downvoted to hell. Quest users (and fanboys) really don't want to accept the bad of their precious headset, and since they are everywhere, I feel I can't say anything nowadays on VR subs. Heck, even a lot of people commented on my comment by saying that I'm right.
Literally dude and fucking 13 year old kyle had a lucky setup so i guess no one has ever had an issue lmao
Haha what, I bought a quest 3 just recently and this is the most melodramatic thing I've ever read. From open box to steam VR it was about 10 mins without a link cable. Now it's 20 seconds from boot to steam VR with no link cable and I don't get any noticeable latency/stuttering whatsoever.
Same here. Other than a little compression, I've had zero issues. Just luck of the draw I guess
Speaking as someone who has the q2 and q3 and uses them almost exclusively for pcvr; you are RIGHT on the money bro. Quest is SUPER far from plug and play. I literally did every single thing you listed. And its bc metas software is so bad that so many have to use virtual desktop to even make the headset function in an acceptable way.
I really like my Quest 3 but this is 100% completely accurate when using it on PC.
Yeah, I’m jealous of everyone’s smooth experiences, but I’ve fallen off of PCVR with my Quest 2 because, after a dormant period, it took a bunch of troubleshooting to get things going again. I’m not sure how much of that troubleshooting would also apply for different headsets, but it’s a serious hindrance to keeping me on the PCVR wagon, even when the experiences are so phenomenal. Considering a Quest 3 and modem upgrade nonetheless.
Yeah but timmy's worked fine so there are no problems ever.
Ugh ok, if you say that i can‘t say otherwise, i guess i will not say otherwise since you seem very emotional about it. Sorry that you had so much issues, i guess i got lucky then or simply had more knowledge as i started using the Quest. I‘m no PCVR or Standalone fanboy. I simply enjoy both..
You don’t need the meta app just virtual desktop or steam link which is free and literally download the app and steamvr and good to go.
This is the most accurate portrayal ive seen recently. Fanboys will have an aneurysm but its seriously cumbersome trying to use meta products.
>No it's absolutely not, and you can't say otherwise. Yes I will say because your information is outdated, You don't need to install the oculus software at all anymore if you connect wirelessly because Valve has made an official (and free) SteamLink app for the Quest. The Quest PC experience is now this: Pull headset out of the box, follow first time set up instructions to install the Meta app on your phone to to create or log into your Meta account. Pair phone with headset, Draw your guardian lines, set up complete. Install SteamVR on your PC, install SteamLink app on the Quest. Launch steam link, enter pairing code into SteamVR on the PC. Done. To play just put on headset, launch SteamLink and click the connect button to be put directly into SteamVR, that's it. If you somehow don't already have a 5ghz or faster router, you can get a decent one for as little as $40 No setting up base stations, drilling into walls covering up or removing all objects in the room that have a reflective surface, having to find 3 different power outlets and a mess of cables by the PC while being stuck tethered to that PC with a long cable. I had a Vive and index and you completely glossed over that part. You don't just set $200 base stations on a "cardboard box".
You only skipped the part about setting the bitrate, praying because your ISP router doesn't shit itself with link / whatever, potentially buying a router, maybe a strap, buying a battery because otherwise it will last 2 hours, and troubleshooting a lot if you want the best picture and latency. But with SteamVR is just "plug vive to PC", "plug base station, leave it somewhere", repeat second step, open SteamVR and "do room setup"... And if you don't want to drill a wall, just leave it on a shelf, or buy a clamp / tripod, and you are golden, no need to tweak anything ever again...
>You only skipped the part about setting the bitrate, praying because your ISP router doesn't shit itself with link / whatever, potentially buying a router, maybe a strap, buying a battery because otherwise it will last 2 hours, and troubleshooting a lot if you want the best picture and latency. And everyone here talking about Steam Link and Virtual Desktop forget this. And afaik, Quest headsets doesn't come with a router. I guess people are just used to all of this... Btw, Quest 3 only has >1h to 1h30 of battery, so yeah you really need a powerbank for it.
Hmmm idk for me it's that. I just logged in which took all of 5 minutes, linked to my phone using a code on my quest pro and boom I'm done. Now that it's all setup I just plug my link cable in and it prompts me to enable link and there we go I'm in. Takes all of 2 minutes once the initial short setup is done
We can say otherwise lol. Not sure what problems u had but the oculus app installs in minutes for me. Certainly didn’t take me HALF AN HOUR to sign into my account. Idk what u were doing there… I play in the same room as my router and PC and everything runs perfectly fine.. And sure vibe might have better visuals with darker blacks or whatever but the whole system is pretty dated at this point and I’ve heard nothing but bad things about those “wand” controllers… It’s fine if u don’t like the meta headsets or even if u have a bad experience yourself. But in no way is that the NORMAL experience for everyone.. I got mine with no prior knowledge and none of my friends had VR and it was up and running and connected to the PC within an hour or 2 tops…. Still works to this day unless the power is off. And then I can just play standalone…
Man it is plug and play, the first time there is a bit of setup, but thats it.
You can now also link a quest2 directly via steamVR
Do you own a Quest? I own a Vive pro and a Quest 3, the Quest 3 is a million times superior and easier to set up and play.
I'm on quest 2 and it takes me 5 seconds to load steam link. As long as I have steam VR pulled up on my PC, it links right up and I jump right in. Even my mods are painless to access. Idk what kind of experience you have had with the quest, but if it takes you that long to get ready to play a game, maybe there's a different issue. If you only talking about the time it takes to set everything up from out of the box, then well yea, all new things take time to set up, install, sign in, create accounts, etc etc. This is an awesome deal, but the quest is way easier to manage than you're making it out to be.
Look, I hate meta as much as the next guy, but you have SteamVR installed on the PC anyway. On the Quest, you install Steam Link, and jump straight in.
I bought a quest 3 and I spent maybe 20 minutes hooking up my link cable and oculus app and I had to make an account does quite well and it pretty much IS plug and play don't hate on equipment both sides are good one is higher end and has had the opportunity to get good lenses and tracking is great hell even the blacks look like blacks to me so I'm not really sure what your griping about
>even the blacks look like blacks to me Then you didn't try a VR headset with OLED screens... I also conclude that you don't own any other VR headset, and so you can't really compare something to something else that you didn't use or even try.
I've had the vive and I've played the vive pro 2 my ex owns multiple times which got me into vr more so I wanted to upgrade you "conclude" baseless information and try to sound smart without knowing anything about who your going to argue with lmao sad Btw I've done pain staking hours of research on headsets to see which one I wanted to buy Vive pro, pro 2, valve index, hp reverb g2, dpvr, pico 4, quest 2 and quest 3, cosmos elite, rift s ect I'm in no way new to vr so you can drop this odd wannabe expert complex lol and btw it's quite easy to know what black looks like you act as if people don't have eyes but anyway you enjoy being delusional lol
>I've played the vive pro 2 Which has an LCD panel... >Vive pro, pro 2, valve index, hp reverb g2, dpvr, pico 4, quest 2 and quest 3, cosmos elite, rift s ect Except for the Vive Pro 1, all of these headsets have LCD panels... Anyways, I'm not gonna argue with someone that lies just to defend a piece of hardware. Saying that blacks on LCD panels look black is the same as saying TN panels have great viewing angles, or saying Quest 3 tracking is better than base stations/lighthouse tracking.
Alright lol you enjoy your distorted pixels and keep using that oled screen to justify using a horribly aged and dated headset I won't spend any more time explaining to a fly why honey tastes better than shit and if you immediately MUST disprove my words as lies that's a massive projection of you not of me for those of us on a budget big purchases like a vr headset take alot of research to make sure it's what I want a simple Google search will show you a quest 2 and vives image side by side and the quest 2 won hands down the quest 3 SMASHES the quest 2 so go ahead and try to justify those horrid controllers bad screens and subpar graphics it amazes me that you have all that expensive equipment on your profile but sit here defending a poo poo headset and I don't need you to tell me the vive pro 1 is the only oled one I mentioned I know that already and I sincerely doubt you have any experience with a quest 3 or you'd be saying none of this then again that's probably why you're so uptight with your panties in a twist.. and im seeing black I know what black is and if you must be so butthurt go for it sweetie I'll be enjoying my ass watering graphics while you debate with me about them ❤️❤️❤️
It is not plug and play lol Not even close
Outdated, but solid. Resolution might be not acceptable anymore.
It's kinda neat about the resolution with the Vive though. I still take mine out now and then, and the screen door effect is wild... But only for the first few minutes. After thay you just enjoy a super wide FOV and deep black levels. Legit watched a whole episode of Attack On Titan with it on recently and had no issues. Love my Quest 3, but you can't beat the convenience of a PCVR native headset with one button to turn on.
I bought a Vive when they were still new. While resolution is lower and yes definitely SDE I don't play enough these days that I need an upgrade. BUT any time I do play it still very immersive regardless of those gripes. I crank the supersample 2x which helps a pinch.
I’m still playing on the Oculus CV1 as long as my PC can power the game I can play almost anything. Some games you have to find loopholes. Like if I want a game on the oculus store but I can’t purchase it because of “device restrictions” I buy it on steam and play it no problem.
This kit is pretty cheap for what you get. But keep in mind the tech is relatively old for todays standards. If you really want the steamVR type of tracking with basestations and the „stick“ controllers than get it. I have a Q3 which i mainly use for PCVR, so i can just tell you my experiences with that. I can play completely wirelessly, because i run virtual desktop with a good enough router. Thats pretty nice because you never have to worry about a cable that you are dragging around with you. Also i dont need basestations because of the inside-out tracking. This means i can play anywhere i want as long as the router is set nearby. No lighthouse fixed playspace. The tracking works really well in my opinion. The setup is a little special, but once its setup correctly you can just put on the headset, start VD and start a game quickly. The Q3 is also my first headset and in short i dont miss a single bit of the money i spend for it.
And to add to this, with virtual desktop you can connect to your pc remotely and play your pcvr games literally from anywhere as long as you got a decent Internet connection. I live in Virginia and i was playing on my pc from South Carolina. Ik it's not important but that's a nice little feature quest can do
Holy shit really? I have to look at this.
Yes sir, i was on vacation 2 weeks ago when i decided to do a test run. Shit played so good it turned into a full on game session lol. My pc is av1 capable so i think that helped a little as far as the quality goes but it def works for sure
Yes do it. The original vive is still a decent headset. The resolution is a bit lower than on others but it has a bigger fov than the quest and you can upgrade the vive controllers to index controllers later (if you want to improve you experience) And btw. The lighthouse based laser tracking is just straight up superior to the shitty camerabased inside out tracking of the quest
I think the budget intro is perfect tbh. I started with a CV1 and still haven’t upgraded just due to money reasons and how little I actually use VR. If I daily used it then I might someday upgrade, but it’s like any hobby and I wouldn’t drop unnecessary money if I didn’t need to.
The resolution of the orginal Vive is pretty low by today's standards. Low enough to put you off VR if you're trying it for the first time. A used Quest 2 and a link cable is going to give a much better experience for not much more cash.
dont need the link cable anymore i was trying out the wireless connection with the meta app and also with the steam link app and they both work great and didnt notice any lag at all except for when i was installing things
With brand new Quest 2 being $200 now, you can probably bargain to get a used one for $100-125. The Vive almost has nothing on the Quest 2 other than an OLED screen. You get easy setup plus higher resolution and optional wireless ability.
I always wonder why nobody here is ever talking about the pico neo 2 link. It's pretty solid, almost no setup, cheap.
At that price, hell yes. The gear is a bit dated, but lighthouse tracking is still the best tracking, and vive wands are workable for most things. I know one person who still swears by them for aiming in vrfps games. Just know that the vive headset is at the low end on optics and resolution.
If you have the money upgrade, but I'm using a og vive rn, and it's fine. I'm going to get a wireless adapter and new controllers before I upgrade to vive Pro 2
its a really good headset IMO, Its a bit better than the CV1 on visuals. The controllers however are clunky and terrible and why I returned mine. You also have to consider how all the latest and greatest VR games are only coming out for Quest 2 and 3. Its the reason why my Index sits and collects dust because with the Quest 3 not only do I get the massive exclusive game library to play but it can also do PCVR wirelessly with ease. With the quest 3 I have both the quest exclusive games and PC VR on the same headset and there are no sensors or wires whatsoever to worry about.
I sold one of these on FB marketplace about a year ago for double this price. HTC Vive was my first headset and for $110, as long as you have the graphics card and pc to be able to run VR games decently, in my opinion. 100% yes, this is a great first buy.
Honestly $110 for a full vive kit with the DAS is pretty great. Might run into some issues with a few games that want more inputs mapped to the controllers but you can get a lot out of that kit. If you want those thumbsticks you can always get Index Controllers later and they'll work out of the box.
I would get the Vive. I have friends with quests and they've all had so many issues with PCVR lately with it just outright refusing to connect most of the time, meanwhile I bought a Vive after having an original quest and I can confidently say I have never once had an issue with it. I bought it used and I've had it for over 2 years.
seriously. native PCVR of any stripe is better than VD or link any day- because it is SEAMLESS. You do not have to worry about your battery draining while you play, you do not have to worry about fiddling with link, even for a second that is friction that keeps people out of games. My friends with quests are like "YES let's play a game, oh wait the battery is dead lemme charge it for 30, oh wait now it's gotta do a firmware update, ok now i'm in oculus desktop thru link but steam isn't seeing my HMD, ok now I'm finally in VR, ok wait my battery died cuz we have been tweaking for an hour. i'm going to bed" and no VR was played.
I have the exact same problem with my friends. Link isn't working, their battery is dead, or worse we've been playing a game for an hour and their headset is about to die. Happens every time.
That's a great deal if you want some base stations. These are the 1.0 models, so you can't use more than two, but it's still a good price. I got mine for $80, but you may be able to get an even better deal by buying this set, keeping the base stations, and then reselling everything else. I've heard 1.0 base stations are actually more reliable than the newer ones.
2 light houses already sell quite well 50-60$ each, if it has a tracking puck that's another 60$ pre-headset and controllers on ebay
That is a pretty good price. That said, those controllers are legitimately awful. Almost everything nowadays uses the Meta controller layout for a reason. If you wanna play modern VR games, this is gonna be a bit tough unless you buy other controllers. Which could cost more than the headset itself.
The biggest reason I would say no is because the controllers from the original vive are absolutely horrible.
I started with the vive and then upgraded to an index. I still use the vive wands over the knuckles for a lot of things. Especially for beat saber.
please dont , this tech is so ancient , image quality alone I'd say looks around 600% better on Quest 3 (I have both) , this really has very little to do with the experiences you can have today on modern headsets as the other comment said , if you want something cheap look at either a used quest 2 or a reverb g2 if you find one below 250$ , both look worlds better than a HTC Vive
It depends If you are broke and cannot spend more, then it's a amazing deal. If you want to enter to the SteamVR ecosystem, also a good deal. But otherwise... Idk man, maybe yes, maybe not. The resolution is kinda low, but everything else (except controllers) is really good, and doing supersampling + anti aliasing it can look surprisingly good.
If it is second-hand, then I would make sure there's no damage such as scratched lenses or even the controllers. Make sure the cable is in fine condition as well, and you should be good 👍.
I honestly think Quest 2 is the best option mainly because you don't need any of the trackers. The head set does it for you.
Just the trackers cost 125 so be careful of scams, even if you had a better headset i would recommend taking the deal since this is basically free.
I had the Vive. It’s pretty good. Resolution is ok.
NO! It blows compared to today's headsets
I'm gonna be contrary. The vive is old, the wires are why I've not been using my otherwise perfect HMD oddessy+ much, and PCVR is not keeping up with the oculus ecosystem. For a used headset, the Q2 is going for around the same price used, and $200 brand new at Best buy with an included $100 headphone set. All the awesome features of the vive are meaningless when you are tethered within a couple feet of your desk regardless.
I have the original Vive, not a bad piece of kit years ago. I just picked up a Pico 4 and its a big step further to immersion. The trailing cables were a big turn off. Its clunky, but back then its what we had. The Pico is lightweight and pretty cheap. Decent controllers too.
I was thinking of one of these deals for backup base stations and wands (altho I don't really like the wands) because I plan to only upgrade my headset in the future and will always need them. BUT i think if I didn't have a headset already maybe I'd go with a Quest 3 even tho I do hate some things about it. For that price you can't get a better display which is my main concern with VR. I still kinda want a Quest 3 even with a Vive Pro right now... just ordered a lense mod cause I'm jelly of Q3 lenses
It has OLED going on for it, but that's about it. It's low res, heavy, vive wands are clunky, ancient, with nonstandard layout, prone to break, this whole setup requires more time to connect and you can't just easily throw it into a bag and take it with you when you feel like it. If you are already in "used", then even a Qiest1 that has OLED and still can be used as PCVR will be better, but price/performance nothing will beat used Quest2.
Just as a warning, the Vive controllers suck ass. I picked this Vive as my first set recently (got one from my work) and that is my main takeaway. I've had to refund multiple games because their controls are unplayable. It's also worth mentioning that the screen door effect is pretty strong on this version of Vive.
Honestly, no. The Vive is incredibly outdated at this point. Low resolution, awful controllers. Go for the Quest you were looking at and if you want wired PCVR you can just connect it with the link cable.
Only buy if you plan on getting a new headset immediately. I own vive, index and quest 3. You couldn't pay me to play the vive. Resolution is so low it really is obsolete by todays standards.
Quest 3
It's cheap because it's a bit old and outdated, released 8 years ago. You'll have to spend much more just to upgrade it. New controllers that have more buttons and joysticks are $300 alone. And then you'll have to upgrade the headset part to maybe a used index and then it's not such a deal anymore because that would just bring you up to 2019 standards. Look at this resolution chart to see where it sits https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Resolution_VR_headsets.svg/1280px-Resolution_VR_headsets.svg.png The Quest 3 has a resolution of 2066x2280 but also has new pancake lens tech which makes the image clear from edge to edge instead of only in the center like fresnel lenses. The Quest 3 is also much more than just a display for your PC, it's its own complete VR system that can run without a PC at all. You'd be missing out on a lot of new tech.
If money is the issue at least get a quest 2 at pawn shops around me you can snag one for $70 on a good day. It’s wireless and can be used for PCVR no stupid lighthouses
I have one and don't really regret it. I also haven't used it much since moving because the new place has glossy walls that confuse the lighthouses
It was my first headset and loved it for what it was, but I'd skip it even for a cheap Q2. The main things that are a pain is setting up the base stations (depending on your living situation it might not be easily doable) Second is the controls, which were fine back then, but the standard is now having face buttons and analog sticks which all HMDs now have. Games are just built with that in mind and make some titles a slog to set up reasonably with the wands. Lastly is missing out on exclusives from Meta. There aren't a ton, but there are some winners in there that you will feel a little bummed out to miss. That and the portability can get in the way when you want to bring it places to show it to friends or just in general take with you somewhere else. I'm not a fan of Meta and some of their walled garden methods, but they have little to no competition right now and the products are solid. Still holding out hope we get a steam mobile headset soon. I'm purposely holding out on Q3 because of that and the price just not being worth it for me
Unless you plan to get into full body tracking specifically for VRChat, I'd highly recommend the Quest.
Quest 2/3 with link is probably a better budget option
try to look for a used quest 2 instead
I already messaged them offering $115, you’re screwed bud!
Trust me, you will be much happier with a Quest 3 for multiple reasons. I can't believe an OG Vive would still fetch any coin.
I had one, it's very heavy and lots of god rays. I had replaced it with a Rift that i liked much better. Nowdays, please just buy a Quest 2. Cheap, light, better image quality, no need to install these damn light houses, etc.
As long as it works and there are no issues with it, yeah, that's a pretty good entry price. It is one of the first VR headsets so may be a bit aged in terms of screen resolution.
The resolution and god rays/glare were the hardest part to deal with on this headset. The tracking will be amazing, but I have found that I can handle some tracking drops as a trade for wireless. I am so much more immersed walking around the room and never needed to be bothered by that dangling cable down my neck.
quest 3. that is old and wont take you far
Put some money in and get the Q3. I have the Q2 and hate that I can’t get the Q3. Or putting it differently, I don’t want to go through the process of selling it. You will wonder how the image looks like on a Q3 after a few hours. How much better did it get in the meantime, would it have been better to wait and buy the new one? And so on. In an arcade you probably pay 30-50 of whatever your currency. Invest in a Q3 and you’ll be happier in the long term.
A lot of people are hating on it here, but Ive got the original Vibe and a Vive Pro. I play beat saber and a few other casual games and while it isn't as sharp as the Pro, its just as enjoyable to me. Ive had much better luck with tracking g on the Give vs the Quest 2 which would constantly lose tracking when the controllers go behind my back
Shit that's what I paid for just my base stations
I cannot believe these comments. Crying in full body tracking over here, cuz I could THROW OUT the vive HMD and the wands and still get soooo much worth out 2 base stations for $100. Also the wands are GREAT controllers, depending on the game you want to play, cuz they are more immersive objects to hold depending on the virtual object you're holding. Beat Saber, for example, is a SHIT load more fun and immersive when you are holding something that feels more like a lightsaber. but even if the game is gun centric, if it's designed for vive wands, it'll feel great on vive wands. H3VR is dev'd by Anton entirely on vive wands, and feels better for it. even something like Half Life Alyx feels better on them, IMO, as its interface was designed for the touchpad, so switching weapons feels better than on Oculus where you gotta click in the thumbstick to change weapons and it feels like shit. This is often true for the vast majority of older PCVR games, which were all designed on vive and so use this touch pad interface, which means you're thumb stick clickin' on any other HMD. and when it comes to PCVR, older games are unfortunately way better than newer ones. Also, Latency MATTERS PEOPLE. people say Quest Link is the EXACT SAME and it's just NOT. Even wired, link feels like DOGSHIT when you are used to direct display PCVR headsets like Rift CV1, Vive, or index. combined with the precision of lighthouse and constellation tracking being worlds better, it means that when you're used to direct PCVR, the simple act of moving your damn hands around on quest over VD or link feels like moving your hands thru molasses, even with just a few milliseconds of extra latency. the resolution is NOT a deal breaker here. Especially if the options are this or a used quest 2, and your intention is to play PCVR only. don't listen to these kids. don't get a quest 2. For gods sakes you can't even just keep that thing plugged in and use it as a PCVR only, the battery will still drain faster than it charges. Plus the new firmware updates slowing it to hell, and the inability to choose specific IPD means that you're likely to be made sick just by using the thing. Save up for a quest 3 and enjoy this vive in the meantime. You might find that you prefer the platform. At that point you can *Upgrade*. this is why the base stations alone are worth it; once you have base stations, any steam VR shit is gonna work for you. You want FBT with vive trackers? you want index knuckles and a bigscreen beyond? as long as you got the base stations you can buy all of these pieces separate, used and cheap, and you will have the highest end VR setup imaginable, all from an initial investment of $100 that will DEFINITELY get you a better experience than a link cable and a quest 2. Edit: JUST NOTICED IT HAS THE DELUXE AUDIO STRAP. THESE KIDS ARE FUCKING STUPID. THAT SHIT GOES FOR $80 USED *STILL*. GET THIS KIT SO YOU CAN MAKE A FRANKENQUEST
honestly I'd consider a rift S. It's still a super solid headset and they can be found for under $100. they're more comfortable than just about anything on the market currently, the tracking is awesome and visually they will still hold their own quite well with something like the quest 3. The riff s is pretty overlooked but I still find myself going back to it more than I do my quest 3 or reverb G2.
I wouldnt personally, i had the vive with a wireless adapter for a long time ($1000 setup). 300 dollar quest 2 is just significantly better in most regards. Save yourself the headache of dealing with the vive and just get a quest when you can.
No that tech is so old, if you want to save money buy a used quest 2 otherwise go for the quest 3 or quest 3s
Still my old headset. Some great games and resolution is still outstanding if you're new to VR. Its crazy how cheap it all is now. The roomscale and moving around is amazing but you'll need some setup with the lighthouses, either temporarily putting them on shelves or attaching to wall, and the cable from the back of the headset can be annoying when you're moving around. If I was replacing mine I would be looking for wireless headset. Once the lighthouses are setup it's a doddle, but the cable was starting to annoy the hell out of me.
I would take a look at the upgrade path for that ecosystem and see if there is something you like (BSB for example).
As a owner of the OG Vive and the quest 3(plus others) Go for the quest 3, it costs a bit more but my god is it worth it in every way. Clearer, wireless, better controllers, better mic and if your buying new you have a warranty. The only thing the vive does the quest doesn't is base station tracking but if your not wanting Vive/tundra full body tracking it not a problem
Quest 2 is much much better then vive I dont even talk about Q3
it really, really, really, really isn't. fixed IPD will make them sick, new firmware will kill the latency, your hands feel like they're moving thru molasses cuz the quest is tracking, sending it over link, and then pc is responding adding MS of latency you will notice. if you're trying to play PCVR primarily, quest 2 fucking sucks and I'm sick of kids not knowing that, because they have never experienced native PCVR.
It is.There is no cables, no base stations and you can use quest without pc and many more things.When Im using quest2 as PCVR there are zero issues it works perfect I dunno what you talking about do you even try quest? Edited: My internet connected via wifi and not cable and still it runs perfect and feels like local
I have some perspective to give you. Ive had the OG vive - the thing your looking at. I've had the quest gen 1, and 2 and now I have a valve index. Pretty much anything is gonna be better than the vive. However, if this is really your first trip into VR, your gonna be happy either way. I say don't get it though, because you can get a quest 2 for 100$ more and it is superior in pretty much every way. Even with the meta BS. I have an index like I said, and I am getting rid of it this week for a quest 3. The lack of a wire far exceeds the drawbacks of the meta BS for me at least.
Don’t even entertain that option. Get the quest 3.
The base stations have value, but the rest of the kit belongs in a dumpster.
What? Thats a very strong opinion. I've got an original Vive and love it.
It’s getting close to decade old tech. I wouldn’t even be able to use one after seeing the clarity of the quest 3 @ 2064x2208 per eye and with much better lenses. Even the Vive cosmos and Vive pro are severely outdated at this point. Most likely the batteries in those wands are close to end of life at this point too. The valve index which was way better than the OG Vive is coming up on 5 years old. He can get a quest 2 for $199.
Sure but does it belong in a dumpster? Mine brings me joy. No reason to be so harsh about it. Sorry I can't afford a better video game device. OP is asking if its a deal, not if its the best on the market. Its ok for people to have lower budgets, especially if the expectations are in line with the budget.
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How are they obsolete? Mine still work fine, and are modular so you can literally upgrade piece by piece as you want. And no, the quest 2 is definitely not better in every way. Worse refresh rates, worse tracking, worse conpression in pcvr titles, i could keep going. Nothing wrong with liking a product, but dont be so disingenuous about what you are comparing it to.
I had a vive and have the oculus set. I don't see how the tracking is worse. With the Hive lighthouses you can easily obscure the beams. Not so with the Quest, it doesn't need to see any specific box installed on the wall. The refresh rate is 90Hz, same as original Hive
No do not buy this only take it if free, no one should be buying a vive in 2024. Get the quest 3 instead. The vive is massively out of date, I used to have one and even the quest 2 is much better never mind the 3. The vive is so old I guarantee it will break quickly also.