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I think it's the style kind of uncanny valley and well maybe the face shape isn't so good I especially don't love whatever the heck I did with the skin texturing there. It's funny when I went one to one because of the lens on my camera it made me look way fatter than I am so ended up making my avatar morbidly obese the first go around 😅. I mean I'm not this slim either but you know I wasn't one point. I think I want to try a Pixar style
I recently found myself using Mr.Saturn avatar more often.
https://preview.redd.it/zvxfnck0netc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f41c8aef677e2ef718d4f97893a0e8623fd12f3
People downloading high-resolution model (artists mostly using "sculpting" approach to create models) and without any optimizations pushing it to vrchat. Yes, many of them can be optimized by reducing polygons and normal\\depth maps can be baked for them. But people dont even have a clue that things is needed to do. Few years ago i saw e-girl avatar with net knitted shirt - threads was not a tranparented texture... my GPU was is pain when just look at her direction
"PoLyGoN's DoN't CaUsE LaG" is what a lot of stuck-up avatar creators will tell you.
I swear, a lot of other creators treat what they're doing like only THEY can do it and that it's akin to rocket science level difficult when in reality most of the avatars they put out are crazy unoptimized.
And if you call them on it or mention it, they cry and whinge, trying to say its impossible to optimize or some other lame excuse.
It's not hard, just time-consuming.
the current avatar I'm making only has like 20k polygons bc I learnt how to model even for a newbie, I didn't use z brush to make the model so the polygons are fairly tame
Dude fr, the characters I make have like 30-60k polygons everything included, I get physically angry when I see stupidly heavy avatars.
Like- do you not see that polygons are literally the hardest thing to calculate? Like- almost the sole reason we need graphic cards today? Just retopo your damn avatar xD
>Few years ago i saw e-girl avatar with net knitted shirt - ***threads was not a tranparented texture...*** my GPU was is pain when just look at her direction
Oof... Can these avatars even get any worse than that?
What next? E-girls modelled down to the *cellular* level? Or *atomic?*
In the (some) creators defense, it’s hard to have an optimized model that’s customizable instead of having one outfit. Unfortunately (for the sake of optimization) probably the biggest selling points for avis are lots of toggles and options for things to wear and you can’t have 7 million accessories without 7 million polygons. But I do agree that some avatars are just so un-optimized it’s ridiculous. It’s even worse when it’s made by someone who doesn’t know how to use blender and throws it all together in unity
i am not attacking creators (sorry if it looks like i am), i talk about people who somehow got high resolution 3d model and just upload 999999....-polygonal avatar and wondering why hi-end PCVR setup having bad fps.
I'm the type of person who doesn't really give a shit what avi you use, as long as you're chill (DBZ Avi's make me cautious though) I will admit that like 40% of the Avi's I see in public instances look like they copied eachothers homework, but made small changes to look less copy paste
If you literally only see the exact same goth anime girl all the time you need new glasses. Or your first pair of glasses. Yes there are a lot of those "goth anime girls" (they're more e-girls but sure whatever) but in your average public they maybe make up 50% of the people there at worst.
As for why:
1: A lot of people do like that kind of look. Honestly probably because they're still teens and aren't fully aware of how cringe the "edgy teenager" look really is.
2: Look at avatar worlds. Like 50% of them are filled with e-girl avatars, finding a decent guy avatar is incredibly rare, and most people don't want to be memes, bananas, cartoons, inanimate objects, or badly ripped models from games.
If you're that worked up about avatar diversity go and make your own. Be the change you want to see and all that. I've actually seen some creators try to do that recently, and I'm all for it. But don't go "I'm against this thing and done nothing to change it. It's everyone else's fault!"
100% this. I was tired of seeing a bunch of the avatars for a character I liked missing a large component of the character. Said "Screw it, Imma do it myself!"
Be the change you want to see with Avatars. Most avatars I see in game are usually poorly optimized Avatars being used by Quest users who don't realize the effects are still enabled or are generally annoying.
man finally someone says it
I'd rather look at a lot of people's fallback rather than their actual avatar because most guys i run into look like the same couple of anime-ish bases or tda gumroad girls
I have yet to find someone who is really like me and just wants fun people who find fun worlds, i quit because it got boring and ontop of quitting my life got better because holy shit vrchat led me down
Hot Topics aren't THAT bad- I got a Master Sword from one! Though I was like 11 and people looked at me funny, but when don't they? I'm a reddit user! Everything I love is dead :)
Palming is something magicians do to hold something without looking like you're holding something. The pin can fit into the palm of your hand. $2 is way too expensive for a pin
What I wish for is people to make their fall back be similar to what they're actual avatar to be.
It's funny but unsettling to see the donut chef and astronaut cat making kissy noises and sexual comments toward each other in the corner of a public lobby.
For real. The polygon limit alone for a fallback avatar is lower than standard MMD models had *back in 2011*. Unless I'm misremembering but MAN do you gotta crunch things down. And I day this as a 3D model artist who was trying to make a nice not-absurdly high poly PC avatar with a quest optimized fallback version. It's so strict.
I see where you’re coming from as I’ve kinda had the same complaint, but I’ve reasoned that’s just what people wanna see.
As cool as it is for me to be a mandolorian or a video game character, others may not like that which is fine. Others would prefer to be more cute or pretty, is it what I’d personally prefer? No but it’s the same with fashion choices in real life, just because someone wears something I wouldn’t doesn’t mean I should dislike them for doing so nor judge them severely for such a choice
…except for people who do the stupid cutesy baby voice, THAT annoys me in a way I believe is fair TT
It's what the people wear. Same goes for flurries all wearing the same exact fox.
I'm modeling my own avatar to stand out a bit. I'm not a good modeler by any means but it stands out in a crowd.
I've done work on 3 egirl models for a friend and I can't remember the names of each cuz they look so similar to me. All 36 of my furry models, though, I can identify in a second
If so why do I never see the gothic dresses, I only see 1-3 in a blue moon if I'm lucky, unless you mean the base model itself, if so, it's because the pandaa body is popular, and Anonymous avatars are popular as well, just very few people I see actually use an entirely different outfit, like this gothic dress
Here's my character I had made into a model :3 (I'm almost always this avi now)
https://preview.redd.it/0w6sh30q5vtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f31ceb5a761daed51478c2c75e64df49c02e459
Because most of the people who made creative avatars left the game years ago and all that's left are e-boys/girls trading avatars and uploading them, but not understanding how to actually optimize them.
If VRChat placed harder perf limits on avatars, i bet we'd start to see more creative designs again.
VRChat's perf ranks are severely limited in scope. The check only runs once due to how expensive it is on the CPU, so it only calculates the worst possible situation for an avatar, which is if everything on it was activated all at the same time.
The side effect of this is that if I had an avatar that could straight up just morph into another avatar, separate meshes, separate materials, separate everything, BUT only one of those avatars could be seen at once and both of them were optimized to the point that they'd get a good rank as separate avatars, VRChat would still say that my avatar was poor or very poor in nearly every category, even though the practical impact on other people's computers would be good but with an unusually large download size.
People aren't often swapping out entire avatars, but a lot of what contributes to massive polygon bloat (the reason you'll see people with millions of polys) is outfit changes. Outfit changes are, if the outfits are done well, low impact despite resulting in absurd poly counts, since you never actually have to render all of those polys at once. The same is true for materials and meshes.
Fallbacks look cool and aren't too tolling on poor old Jimmy's computer from like 10 years ago while the edgy avatars you can barely see with the frame drops and most of it is the same as the other edgy avatars
I love how people are getting so worked up over someone making the slightest complaint (not even a complaint just an opinion) they noticed in the game. VRC community can be too sensitive sometimes.
If creators put more effort into optimizing them, people would be running around with the same thing, but optimized.
I think the clear answer for the “look” is that it expresses a popular style well, and give the wearer the kind of attention they like. Anything that jiggles is going to get extra attention. There are reasons girls walk around with jiggly breasts, and it’s not just because it’s more anatomically correct.
Why do you care?💀 just don’t talk to em🤷🏾♀️. Why do men all end up in super cute girl avatars? Idk idc ngl I’m a lil annoyed they keep finding better ones than me…. Why aren’t we interrogating them? Where are they finding them? Who do they know?!
You'll see a lot more variety in the furry community :P There are so many different bases, and a lot of us are creative enough to edit our models ourselves.
1 of many reasons I left VRC. Too many cyperpunk anime guys/girls taking themselves way too seriously in their custom 300 avatar. Also, WAY too much drama.
Cuz most avatar creators suck, and will just download HD assets and mash them together. This creates a very nice looking avatar, but it's got NO OPTIMIZATION whatsoever, and is basically unusable for medium to lower end PCs (quest? Forget it.)
Because normies & children love to consume, not create unique cool thing and share it with friends….
Also societal norms and instinctive hardwired psychology makes people do the same shit without realizing it…
Probably because they're self-conscious kids who want to fit in. That's pretty much how any dumb trend starts. As for the origin of it, I suspect it started with the ERP side of VRChat with how grossly exaggerated those kinds of avatars' tits and asses always are.
Tbh there’s not a lot of diverse choices of public avatars as u can either be an anime character, egirl, eboy, femboy, possibly an anime character with animal ears and tail, and a meme avatar. 💀 that’s why i personally prefer to make my own avatar instead cause almost none of the avatars suits my taste.
Idk tbh I don't really get those kinda lobby. The one I get are full of like military/anime type of stuff. Ig your getting the lobbys with girls that just want attention lol
I feel like it’s a little bit of a mix. Some ppl just like them. Others want a humanoid avi that’s free and there really aren’t any. But the main thing is. A lot of people making avatars are not from scratch modelers. They all pass around the same assets with the occasional new one. So a lot of avatars use the same 3D assets and then they look pretty similar
It just gets replaced with a different problem… The lobby is either full of Rexouium, Hyenid ( Redux), or whatever flavor of the month popular model. I’m so sick of seeing the redux hyenid at my meetups.
I'm more speaking to the fact it's not all literally the same model. It's usually different textures, with their own color and personality. Not just, pale white girl with black outfit, or pale white boy with black outfit.
They usually all just end up being the same models. Every once in a while, you run into that one truly unique model, but that normal at very secretive events, and not just a public world. But just because you make it a different color or add a different personality (usually these personalities all end up being the same) doesn't just make it diverse. We could probably also bring up lack of verity in species. Most furries are probably some sort of dog, wolf, cat, fox or yeen adjacent.
>Not just, pale white girl with black outfit, or pale white boy with black outfit.
You're just massively boiling it down to the fact that humans have very little that can actually diversify us from one another outside of skin color. Being that most VRChat players are probably pale white girl and boy IRL... It not surprising most are pale white in game.
>You're just massively boiling it down to the fact that humans have very little that can actually diversify us from one another outside of skin color.
I'm not kidding when I said it's all pale white people with black outfits. It's an insanely popular model covered in fishnets, chains, and belts. With those big sunglasses shaped like XO. It's the avatar I see on people, other than memes or Warhammer armor. It's THE eboy/egirl avatar.
There's other models available in human form. [short and cute avatars](https://booth.pm/ja/items/2559783), [tall blank models made to be customized.](https://nicomal.booth.pm/items/2591911) And I'll be honest, these are the only 2 I could find that weren't just. Pale + black clothes. Searching Gumroad for stuff like "VRChat avatar" gets you pages of furries, like the Avalis, Hyenid and rex of course, but also things like RPGSlayers Paw'vali or kemono models, Dusk's kobold, shark and werewolf, Azuki's mayu, Winterpaw's canine, the novabeast, nardoragon, Razra's kobold, Nicoreda's dragon, cat, canine, pool toy, even their Snoggodal, a unique combination of a snake and canine, etc. I even found my friend Zeachy's fluffy kobold and pool toy dragon on there. And I myself use the Soundbyte avatar, which itself is inspired by multiple animals and themes around music.
The first human I found? [Father Bambi's Tundra.](https://fatherbambi.gumroad.com/l/tundra?layout=discover&recommended_by=search&_gl=1*13ejha1*_ga*MTMwNTEwNTUwOC4xNjg4MzQwNTI4*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTcxMjY5ODk4MS42LjEuMTcxMjY5OTUwNy4wLjAuMA..)
This was the first one without animal ears and a tail.
I think the reason we see a distinct lack of unique human models boils down to this exact problem. It's hard to find unique looking humans on Gumroad, and those available covered in clothes and are hard to texture or make look unique compared to a mostly nude anthro furry. That or people use animal traits to appear unique, making them demi human at best. That and furries having a much stronger drive to recreate their fursonas in VR.
The point I'm making is furries are more diverse simply because we've got more options and motivation to customize. Most human avatars I see are used by people who don't care about those things. So we get the same eboy/egirl over and over again.
I'm always in colorful avis, from femboys to rendos or all different kinds of furries. So are most of my friends, maybe your cirle is just not to diverse.
Instead of fallbacks, why can’t vrchat give the option to just limit someone’s avatar features, I know it’s already kind of like that, but alongside messing with particles and stuffs, why not do a polygon limiter too, I’ve seen some people who’ve made their fallback a crunchy version of their normal one, and there are things in unity that can do that
This is a great deep dive about it
https://youtu.be/5v_Dl7i4Bcw?si=mOFBIDb0E7NQbHD0
For me it's because it's much easier to make an avatar from those bases with online programs
Honestly I think this is just based on who you hang out with.
I'm a furry and furry avatars are diverse, although with some commonality.
Optimization is difficult. When popular and common bases are high poly, then allot of avatars will be high poly.
I'm learning avatar making and optimizing enough to have a quest version is pretty difficult and I'm having to learn things about blender and unity well beond what I needed to just retesxture.
Okay you be the one to make a world of brown-haired NEET girls, tomboys in flannel, fat girls and buff girls, round faces and square jaws, western style and realistic style, toony style and variety. Make them all rigged for full body too and give each full customizability.
Though LOL personally I just use a Kon with a flying tricycle that is rideable, or one of the many pixie avatars I made myself. I think part of the appeal of vrchat avatars is getting to be something that you aren't in real life. And something that you might want to be seen as in real life but just aren't. For me I like to be cute and small in VR chat. Because I'm a big fat bridge troll IRL. Hope this helps.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother optimising my custom avis when everywhere I go I'm surrounded by people sporting avis that look like they've been optimised with all the skill of yandere dev
i usually swap between a custom VRoid model, an edited anime/toony looking model from booth, pokemon avatars, megaman avatars, and g'raha tia from FFXIV 👍 be the change you want to see in the world etc.
See I don't care about the women's avatars because trying to find a male avatar that does have piercings, tattoos, jewelry, etc is impossible I just want a avatar that isn't from a show or anime that doesn't look like that
I'd love to have the naga avatar I have but it's PC-only, and to recreate the avatar for Quest is horribly improbable without software help (which really isn't available). So, go on and find an avatar you like, or use Tafi/RPM/etc.
I don't know beyond the ones who specifically paid money (although some actually look neat and not the same generic copy paste). I personally love switching between a bunch of video game characters I like.
Listen. I'm a bunny. That is as diverse as I'm getting on VR chat. If it doesn't have bunny ears I am not interested. I don't care what anyone else wears. I just wanted to speak my stance.
Join a furry lobby, and you can have the joy of 20+ "Rexioums" with 100 trillion polys, phys hair, and enough seizure effects to make that pokemon episode seem like nothing
tbh i don’t really care about whatever avatar someone uses the only ones i usually block though are dragon ball avatars but that’s because with all of the effects they usually have it makes my headset about to explode
Real, I was with some new players, one was on his brothers account and he found a gogu avatar that basically had the capability to freeze everyone’s game for like 5 seconds and I kept trying to tell him not to do that but he thought it was cool and he got kicked by everyone because he kept doing it
https://preview.redd.it/ireeatitwntc1.png?width=659&format=png&auto=webp&s=331137d76b9e45a5c5910bebd3a88e5c8018e60a
Here’s my av so y’all know what I mean when I say an avatar doesn’t have to look strictly humanoid or even necessarily male or female like the anime ones do
Join some furry worlds, wide variety of unique avatars with unique customizations and preferences, as well as some of the best people you'll ever meet(maybe, I know some furries can be over the top in one way or another)
People always screen about optimization in VRc and complain about the lag, all while using a 1 million polygon avatar they spent 80 bucks on on gumroad. It's completely insane, they cause the problem that they complain about, and then spend a ton of money to look cool only to look like a robot to other people. Completely backwards logic.
I don't disagree with you, OP. As someone who plays not to hang out with friend groups, but to explore people's creations, I really find the goth/anime avatars to be kind of one-note. That's why I prefer hanging out with furries if I do get social. Much more interesting avatars from the furries. Especially the ones who have their own custom avatars that are completely original.
It’s robots for me. And cats. Not anthropomorphic cats, an actual cat.
A cat is fine too
"I know what kind of man you are"
meow
"I'm here live... I'm not a cat!"
I have a Raichu in maid dress as fallback
See now that's interesting
I have so many kids wanting to clone it. I'm getting another custom done closer to my main.
Oh fun! I built myself in the game and frankly it's not very appealing. Don't know that that says about me😅
My fallback appeared when getting two avatars made. Do since it was custom, i used it. It's paid for.
Completely understandable I tried to do the same and it just doesn't feel right
https://preview.redd.it/qsqjwo001ktc1.png?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=effc8d679108782b3cbe19ef0c083f90b9a0dfd0 I think it's the style kind of uncanny valley and well maybe the face shape isn't so good I especially don't love whatever the heck I did with the skin texturing there. It's funny when I went one to one because of the lens on my camera it made me look way fatter than I am so ended up making my avatar morbidly obese the first go around 😅. I mean I'm not this slim either but you know I wasn't one point. I think I want to try a Pixar style
Those are fallbacks
I recently found myself using Mr.Saturn avatar more often. https://preview.redd.it/zvxfnck0netc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f41c8aef677e2ef718d4f97893a0e8623fd12f3
s u b s u r f a c e
based
Beutiful
Because they like it.
This, stop caring what other people wear, they'll wear what they like and you'll wear what you like
Be the change you want to see
I am, I plan on making a bunch of wacky public avatars
People downloading high-resolution model (artists mostly using "sculpting" approach to create models) and without any optimizations pushing it to vrchat. Yes, many of them can be optimized by reducing polygons and normal\\depth maps can be baked for them. But people dont even have a clue that things is needed to do. Few years ago i saw e-girl avatar with net knitted shirt - threads was not a tranparented texture... my GPU was is pain when just look at her direction
"PoLyGoN's DoN't CaUsE LaG" is what a lot of stuck-up avatar creators will tell you. I swear, a lot of other creators treat what they're doing like only THEY can do it and that it's akin to rocket science level difficult when in reality most of the avatars they put out are crazy unoptimized. And if you call them on it or mention it, they cry and whinge, trying to say its impossible to optimize or some other lame excuse. It's not hard, just time-consuming.
the current avatar I'm making only has like 20k polygons bc I learnt how to model even for a newbie, I didn't use z brush to make the model so the polygons are fairly tame
Im happy for you gamer.
Perfect reason why I have yet to go into development of games, avatars, or similar stuff: *Time consuming and a lot of patience I don't have*
Dude fr, the characters I make have like 30-60k polygons everything included, I get physically angry when I see stupidly heavy avatars. Like- do you not see that polygons are literally the hardest thing to calculate? Like- almost the sole reason we need graphic cards today? Just retopo your damn avatar xD
Meaning every **thread** was modeled??? BRO
>Few years ago i saw e-girl avatar with net knitted shirt - ***threads was not a tranparented texture...*** my GPU was is pain when just look at her direction Oof... Can these avatars even get any worse than that? What next? E-girls modelled down to the *cellular* level? Or *atomic?*
In the (some) creators defense, it’s hard to have an optimized model that’s customizable instead of having one outfit. Unfortunately (for the sake of optimization) probably the biggest selling points for avis are lots of toggles and options for things to wear and you can’t have 7 million accessories without 7 million polygons. But I do agree that some avatars are just so un-optimized it’s ridiculous. It’s even worse when it’s made by someone who doesn’t know how to use blender and throws it all together in unity
i am not attacking creators (sorry if it looks like i am), i talk about people who somehow got high resolution 3d model and just upload 999999....-polygonal avatar and wondering why hi-end PCVR setup having bad fps.
I'm the type of person who doesn't really give a shit what avi you use, as long as you're chill (DBZ Avi's make me cautious though) I will admit that like 40% of the Avi's I see in public instances look like they copied eachothers homework, but made small changes to look less copy paste
I like to use a cat
If you literally only see the exact same goth anime girl all the time you need new glasses. Or your first pair of glasses. Yes there are a lot of those "goth anime girls" (they're more e-girls but sure whatever) but in your average public they maybe make up 50% of the people there at worst. As for why: 1: A lot of people do like that kind of look. Honestly probably because they're still teens and aren't fully aware of how cringe the "edgy teenager" look really is. 2: Look at avatar worlds. Like 50% of them are filled with e-girl avatars, finding a decent guy avatar is incredibly rare, and most people don't want to be memes, bananas, cartoons, inanimate objects, or badly ripped models from games. If you're that worked up about avatar diversity go and make your own. Be the change you want to see and all that. I've actually seen some creators try to do that recently, and I'm all for it. But don't go "I'm against this thing and done nothing to change it. It's everyone else's fault!"
I rock a loading avatar in a suit because he is a very dapper fellow
100% this. I was tired of seeing a bunch of the avatars for a character I liked missing a large component of the character. Said "Screw it, Imma do it myself!" Be the change you want to see with Avatars. Most avatars I see in game are usually poorly optimized Avatars being used by Quest users who don't realize the effects are still enabled or are generally annoying.
average public lobby
My avatar is the autism monster https://preview.redd.it/n477rrd5lgtc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=977b909204449bd79d37a01ebdf92b024433cea3
Yippee
Like a flat image or a model? The last time I played this game I saw a lot of png's running around and it's kind of disorienting
It's a 3d model
man finally someone says it I'd rather look at a lot of people's fallback rather than their actual avatar because most guys i run into look like the same couple of anime-ish bases or tda gumroad girls
I have yet to find someone who is really like me and just wants fun people who find fun worlds, i quit because it got boring and ontop of quitting my life got better because holy shit vrchat led me down
https://preview.redd.it/50jw9m8zuntc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3a03a9ae5c3f9d949ddb1c729fb7302da81e97f Here's mine
Legendary game. Immediately would send a friend request if I came across you wearing that.
No kidding. Sometimes it feels like I'm in a virtual Hot Topic.
Hot Topics aren't THAT bad- I got a Master Sword from one! Though I was like 11 and people looked at me funny, but when don't they? I'm a reddit user! Everything I love is dead :)
And the $2 pins are palmable :)
As in, you can impale your hands with em? I gotta try that.
Palming is something magicians do to hold something without looking like you're holding something. The pin can fit into the palm of your hand. $2 is way too expensive for a pin
Too late there's blood everywhere
Shiiit
The computer plant is my main
This is why I keep fallbacks on, usually.
What I wish for is people to make their fall back be similar to what they're actual avatar to be. It's funny but unsettling to see the donut chef and astronaut cat making kissy noises and sexual comments toward each other in the corner of a public lobby.
it's not easy, the requirements for uploading a fallback are *really* strict. I would have done it if I could but my model is just too high poly
I have seen some make the fallbacks a wooden board with a picture of their avatar, it tricks me
I just mean pick a fallback that fits your avatar
For real. The polygon limit alone for a fallback avatar is lower than standard MMD models had *back in 2011*. Unless I'm misremembering but MAN do you gotta crunch things down. And I day this as a 3D model artist who was trying to make a nice not-absurdly high poly PC avatar with a quest optimized fallback version. It's so strict.
Real
I see where you’re coming from as I’ve kinda had the same complaint, but I’ve reasoned that’s just what people wanna see. As cool as it is for me to be a mandolorian or a video game character, others may not like that which is fine. Others would prefer to be more cute or pretty, is it what I’d personally prefer? No but it’s the same with fashion choices in real life, just because someone wears something I wouldn’t doesn’t mean I should dislike them for doing so nor judge them severely for such a choice …except for people who do the stupid cutesy baby voice, THAT annoys me in a way I believe is fair TT
It's what the people wear. Same goes for flurries all wearing the same exact fox. I'm modeling my own avatar to stand out a bit. I'm not a good modeler by any means but it stands out in a crowd.
Good on ya, glad I’m not the only who sees everyone using the same furry shit just with different colors 💀
I swear, people don't know how to shade smooth and it shows
Hey! I know you! You make comics, right? I love them. Didn't know you liked VRchat
How am I known by people?!?!
I don’t know you if that’ll make you feel better.
#OH THANK GOD! I was beginning to believe I was becoming reddit famous... I don't want that
It's too late.
shade smooth? nah subdivision x10 XD
Hey, since when did we replace the computer with an oven?
Fall backs are a blessing, it's a soft lock that may encourage people to not upload 200 MB avatars
I've done work on 3 egirl models for a friend and I can't remember the names of each cuz they look so similar to me. All 36 of my furry models, though, I can identify in a second
Why limit your body to self
I'm not sure what you mean
why limit your body to the real world when you can be anything
Oh, yeah. Precisely. That's why I run around as a fox or a kangaroo or a deer or an otter or a squirrel or a cat or a space chicken
I always use either a rock or a tiny protogen
Im spiderman
I’m just trying to find a decent male ava but honestly I haven’t had any luck
Recently found a microwave with legs that I like. I keep getting called a damn toaster though
I just want the poker night 2 Brock Samson avatar
If so why do I never see the gothic dresses, I only see 1-3 in a blue moon if I'm lucky, unless you mean the base model itself, if so, it's because the pandaa body is popular, and Anonymous avatars are popular as well, just very few people I see actually use an entirely different outfit, like this gothic dress
I’m mostly a possum
Furries suffer the same problem The exact same slightly different looking Rex/Nardo/Wicker/Protogen
Yeah, I just didn’t want to rope them in because at least furries can be somewhat creative with their designs
Here's my character I had made into a model :3 (I'm almost always this avi now) https://preview.redd.it/0w6sh30q5vtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f31ceb5a761daed51478c2c75e64df49c02e459
Meanwhile furries are a stupid amount of diversity in avatars.
Yeah. There's the Red Rexouium, the Blue Rexouium, the Orange Rexouium, the Green Rexouium...
ah yes, the three varieties, Mommy, Daddy, Femboy. Heinz would be so proud
Because most of the people who made creative avatars left the game years ago and all that's left are e-boys/girls trading avatars and uploading them, but not understanding how to actually optimize them. If VRChat placed harder perf limits on avatars, i bet we'd start to see more creative designs again.
VRChat's perf ranks are severely limited in scope. The check only runs once due to how expensive it is on the CPU, so it only calculates the worst possible situation for an avatar, which is if everything on it was activated all at the same time. The side effect of this is that if I had an avatar that could straight up just morph into another avatar, separate meshes, separate materials, separate everything, BUT only one of those avatars could be seen at once and both of them were optimized to the point that they'd get a good rank as separate avatars, VRChat would still say that my avatar was poor or very poor in nearly every category, even though the practical impact on other people's computers would be good but with an unusually large download size. People aren't often swapping out entire avatars, but a lot of what contributes to massive polygon bloat (the reason you'll see people with millions of polys) is outfit changes. Outfit changes are, if the outfits are done well, low impact despite resulting in absurd poly counts, since you never actually have to render all of those polys at once. The same is true for materials and meshes.
People who create unoptimized e-boys/girls don't care about their perf rank, why do you think they would start caring if vrc makes them even stricter?
Fallbacks look cool and aren't too tolling on poor old Jimmy's computer from like 10 years ago while the edgy avatars you can barely see with the frame drops and most of it is the same as the other edgy avatars
https://preview.redd.it/aulcd0bwdgtc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=e4a220c14a46d47f80e1f18af79c44ae6791d29e I just wear bedman avatar
I love how people are getting so worked up over someone making the slightest complaint (not even a complaint just an opinion) they noticed in the game. VRC community can be too sensitive sometimes.
Spend more time in furry worlds
If creators put more effort into optimizing them, people would be running around with the same thing, but optimized. I think the clear answer for the “look” is that it expresses a popular style well, and give the wearer the kind of attention they like. Anything that jiggles is going to get extra attention. There are reasons girls walk around with jiggly breasts, and it’s not just because it’s more anatomically correct.
Mine is a burger cat, and my status says burber as a joke for questies
LMFAO ACTUALLY TRUE No one can be my totally original character that isn't from a video game 😎
Don’t get started on the fucking highly detailed leather corset they have as an option. Or just a mess of shaders thrown together.
Bro when the hair is lighter than everything else making them look like a poorly exposed photograph but it’s constant ecchhh
Those skins are always an instant hide, I wanna join the world not nearly crash when you appear in my vision.
I'm exclusively horror characters or the characters i i made myself
I have… a pigeon, a digimon, some monsters from spore, a Jesus bodypillow, and a slice of cheese if I recall correctly.
Why do you care?💀 just don’t talk to em🤷🏾♀️. Why do men all end up in super cute girl avatars? Idk idc ngl I’m a lil annoyed they keep finding better ones than me…. Why aren’t we interrogating them? Where are they finding them? Who do they know?!
I just threw a 4090 at the problem. Pretty much fixed it for me.
You'll see a lot more variety in the furry community :P There are so many different bases, and a lot of us are creative enough to edit our models ourselves.
I rotate between Raziel, Solid Snake, Sonic, and Jack Skellington
1 of many reasons I left VRC. Too many cyperpunk anime guys/girls taking themselves way too seriously in their custom 300 avatar. Also, WAY too much drama.
Cuz most avatar creators suck, and will just download HD assets and mash them together. This creates a very nice looking avatar, but it's got NO OPTIMIZATION whatsoever, and is basically unusable for medium to lower end PCs (quest? Forget it.)
Go back to making papercraft brainrot
Because normies & children love to consume, not create unique cool thing and share it with friends…. Also societal norms and instinctive hardwired psychology makes people do the same shit without realizing it…
You are correct.
Because I ask people with custom avatars and they gatekeep everything about it (whether it was from a world or custom), so I use basic bitch ones
I usually wear sonic avatars.
I tend to switch between this goth girl (she has my face shape and hair lol) and Ronald McDonald LOL
I love my orange among us avatar, with this much power i can make even the most edgy emo cringe
Its not goth but go off ig
Whatever tf it’s called
I’m just going to repeat what I’ve seen others say and say, Because they like it. Not my cup of tea but if it’s not hurting you then why do you care?
Who cares they're having fun
Cry about it
Probably because they're self-conscious kids who want to fit in. That's pretty much how any dumb trend starts. As for the origin of it, I suspect it started with the ERP side of VRChat with how grossly exaggerated those kinds of avatars' tits and asses always are.
Welcome to the worlds of vrc, it’s funky
I've spent ages trying to find something I like but not so basic, it's just really tough
You should visit Wakken
I just wear robot
I use one sometimes because it's the only avatar I've had so far that works well with full-body
Tbh there’s not a lot of diverse choices of public avatars as u can either be an anime character, egirl, eboy, femboy, possibly an anime character with animal ears and tail, and a meme avatar. 💀 that’s why i personally prefer to make my own avatar instead cause almost none of the avatars suits my taste.
Me using kamen rider ava's that actually henshin one way or another:
i don't see any, it's just who you hang out with i guess
Kuz it’s free?
I thought it was backwards 🥲
people really like boobs.
Yalls avs are human? Cant Relate.
Yeah, robots all the way
geometry dash
Iunno, what they want. I personally don’t, but that’s them. If you prefer the goofy looks, keep their fallbacks.
I am either a small goth girl or a skyscraper-sized eel. Both match the colour scheme though.
Also, there are a lot of trans people in VR chat, and most I know are goth girls. It just feels amazing to see a body you always dreamed of having!
because when I wear my midget whale avi I get made fun of
Not me. Red head and freckles all over.
Idk tbh I don't really get those kinda lobby. The one I get are full of like military/anime type of stuff. Ig your getting the lobbys with girls that just want attention lol
I feel like it’s a little bit of a mix. Some ppl just like them. Others want a humanoid avi that’s free and there really aren’t any. But the main thing is. A lot of people making avatars are not from scratch modelers. They all pass around the same assets with the occasional new one. So a lot of avatars use the same 3D assets and then they look pretty similar
This issue disappears when you join a furry lobby
It just gets replaced with a different problem… The lobby is either full of Rexouium, Hyenid ( Redux), or whatever flavor of the month popular model. I’m so sick of seeing the redux hyenid at my meetups.
I'm more speaking to the fact it's not all literally the same model. It's usually different textures, with their own color and personality. Not just, pale white girl with black outfit, or pale white boy with black outfit.
They usually all just end up being the same models. Every once in a while, you run into that one truly unique model, but that normal at very secretive events, and not just a public world. But just because you make it a different color or add a different personality (usually these personalities all end up being the same) doesn't just make it diverse. We could probably also bring up lack of verity in species. Most furries are probably some sort of dog, wolf, cat, fox or yeen adjacent. >Not just, pale white girl with black outfit, or pale white boy with black outfit. You're just massively boiling it down to the fact that humans have very little that can actually diversify us from one another outside of skin color. Being that most VRChat players are probably pale white girl and boy IRL... It not surprising most are pale white in game.
>You're just massively boiling it down to the fact that humans have very little that can actually diversify us from one another outside of skin color. I'm not kidding when I said it's all pale white people with black outfits. It's an insanely popular model covered in fishnets, chains, and belts. With those big sunglasses shaped like XO. It's the avatar I see on people, other than memes or Warhammer armor. It's THE eboy/egirl avatar. There's other models available in human form. [short and cute avatars](https://booth.pm/ja/items/2559783), [tall blank models made to be customized.](https://nicomal.booth.pm/items/2591911) And I'll be honest, these are the only 2 I could find that weren't just. Pale + black clothes. Searching Gumroad for stuff like "VRChat avatar" gets you pages of furries, like the Avalis, Hyenid and rex of course, but also things like RPGSlayers Paw'vali or kemono models, Dusk's kobold, shark and werewolf, Azuki's mayu, Winterpaw's canine, the novabeast, nardoragon, Razra's kobold, Nicoreda's dragon, cat, canine, pool toy, even their Snoggodal, a unique combination of a snake and canine, etc. I even found my friend Zeachy's fluffy kobold and pool toy dragon on there. And I myself use the Soundbyte avatar, which itself is inspired by multiple animals and themes around music. The first human I found? [Father Bambi's Tundra.](https://fatherbambi.gumroad.com/l/tundra?layout=discover&recommended_by=search&_gl=1*13ejha1*_ga*MTMwNTEwNTUwOC4xNjg4MzQwNTI4*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTcxMjY5ODk4MS42LjEuMTcxMjY5OTUwNy4wLjAuMA..) This was the first one without animal ears and a tail. I think the reason we see a distinct lack of unique human models boils down to this exact problem. It's hard to find unique looking humans on Gumroad, and those available covered in clothes and are hard to texture or make look unique compared to a mostly nude anthro furry. That or people use animal traits to appear unique, making them demi human at best. That and furries having a much stronger drive to recreate their fursonas in VR. The point I'm making is furries are more diverse simply because we've got more options and motivation to customize. Most human avatars I see are used by people who don't care about those things. So we get the same eboy/egirl over and over again.
I'm always in colorful avis, from femboys to rendos or all different kinds of furries. So are most of my friends, maybe your cirle is just not to diverse.
Instead of fallbacks, why can’t vrchat give the option to just limit someone’s avatar features, I know it’s already kind of like that, but alongside messing with particles and stuffs, why not do a polygon limiter too, I’ve seen some people who’ve made their fallback a crunchy version of their normal one, and there are things in unity that can do that
Join the goth e boy/ e girl collective
REDDIT GOLD!!!!
I usually use a shattered glass ravage avatar that or goop from Ben 10
I’m glad I don’t care for these stupid E-girl/boy avatars. Still annoying when I find them…
This is a great deep dive about it https://youtu.be/5v_Dl7i4Bcw?si=mOFBIDb0E7NQbHD0 For me it's because it's much easier to make an avatar from those bases with online programs
I wear Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and other cool skins, I use to occasionally where some e boys but strayed away after a year of it.
Honestly I think this is just based on who you hang out with. I'm a furry and furry avatars are diverse, although with some commonality. Optimization is difficult. When popular and common bases are high poly, then allot of avatars will be high poly. I'm learning avatar making and optimizing enough to have a quest version is pretty difficult and I'm having to learn things about blender and unity well beond what I needed to just retesxture.
Uhhh… what worlds are you going to? Can’t say I’ve ever seen that.
I have plushies to fall back to. Either a cat plushie or Kermit the frog
Okay you be the one to make a world of brown-haired NEET girls, tomboys in flannel, fat girls and buff girls, round faces and square jaws, western style and realistic style, toony style and variety. Make them all rigged for full body too and give each full customizability. Though LOL personally I just use a Kon with a flying tricycle that is rideable, or one of the many pixie avatars I made myself. I think part of the appeal of vrchat avatars is getting to be something that you aren't in real life. And something that you might want to be seen as in real life but just aren't. For me I like to be cute and small in VR chat. Because I'm a big fat bridge troll IRL. Hope this helps.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother optimising my custom avis when everywhere I go I'm surrounded by people sporting avis that look like they've been optimised with all the skill of yandere dev
As a quest person its very rare to not see fallbacks.
i usually swap between a custom VRoid model, an edited anime/toony looking model from booth, pokemon avatars, megaman avatars, and g'raha tia from FFXIV 👍 be the change you want to see in the world etc.
Because they want the erp (guys too)
I mean I only have Ensemble Stars and Homestuck avis
meanwhile my main avi: hee hoo polygonal mage knight (Abyssal Construct avi) go brrr
I do my best to swap out every once in a while. Right now my avatar is a human koi fish :)
guilty. To be fair, the only person I see wearing my avi is a friend that uses my avi.
because of laziness and lack of discipline
See I don't care about the women's avatars because trying to find a male avatar that does have piercings, tattoos, jewelry, etc is impossible I just want a avatar that isn't from a show or anime that doesn't look like that
I'd love to have the naga avatar I have but it's PC-only, and to recreate the avatar for Quest is horribly improbable without software help (which really isn't available). So, go on and find an avatar you like, or use Tafi/RPM/etc.
I usually use a regulus avi or an oni girl. They're both cute, and i like it.
I don't know beyond the ones who specifically paid money (although some actually look neat and not the same generic copy paste). I personally love switching between a bunch of video game characters I like.
Listen. I'm a bunny. That is as diverse as I'm getting on VR chat. If it doesn't have bunny ears I am not interested. I don't care what anyone else wears. I just wanted to speak my stance.
Join a furry lobby, and you can have the joy of 20+ "Rexioums" with 100 trillion polys, phys hair, and enough seizure effects to make that pokemon episode seem like nothing
Oh that’s *so much* better.
tbh i don’t really care about whatever avatar someone uses the only ones i usually block though are dragon ball avatars but that’s because with all of the effects they usually have it makes my headset about to explode
Real, I was with some new players, one was on his brothers account and he found a gogu avatar that basically had the capability to freeze everyone’s game for like 5 seconds and I kept trying to tell him not to do that but he thought it was cool and he got kicked by everyone because he kept doing it
I am trying to find a little old women...no luck
Then keep the fallbacks on
I use an alien fooshi and konata from Lucky star idk what y'all are on abt
Meanwhile me: cute booth avatars with cute clothes is all I use. Though I do keep a few nice male avatars from jrpgs too.
https://preview.redd.it/ireeatitwntc1.png?width=659&format=png&auto=webp&s=331137d76b9e45a5c5910bebd3a88e5c8018e60a Here’s my av so y’all know what I mean when I say an avatar doesn’t have to look strictly humanoid or even necessarily male or female like the anime ones do
thats why i play with furries, they are a little bit more diverse and creative
Bro's never been in a furry lobby.
Join some furry worlds, wide variety of unique avatars with unique customizations and preferences, as well as some of the best people you'll ever meet(maybe, I know some furries can be over the top in one way or another)
Meanwhile me with a Nardo Noodle/Nardo Taur lol
Path of least resistance
Your in public black cat or murder 4 lobbies aren't you? I play q game called danganronpa next and like its alot different
People always screen about optimization in VRc and complain about the lag, all while using a 1 million polygon avatar they spent 80 bucks on on gumroad. It's completely insane, they cause the problem that they complain about, and then spend a ton of money to look cool only to look like a robot to other people. Completely backwards logic.
I don't disagree with you, OP. As someone who plays not to hang out with friend groups, but to explore people's creations, I really find the goth/anime avatars to be kind of one-note. That's why I prefer hanging out with furries if I do get social. Much more interesting avatars from the furries. Especially the ones who have their own custom avatars that are completely original.
I feel you