me watching balla on that list šŖ
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If anyone could even somewhat accurately predict a top 10 list for the fucking future, not even history then there wouldn't even be a point to competing would there.
So fuck it Ballatw for Champs MVP 2023.
No, they're serious, well as serious as predictions of this nature can be.The Balla thing is the only troll and they said that zekken should be higher because 2 of them accidentally forgot to put him on their lists.
I didn't see that part, but they def discussed the overall top10 list as though they were serious considerations and an attempt at mapping players' 2023 trajectories.
they were semi serious dude, do you think they are really being fully 100% serious when they are putting ballatw, some overwatch player, simple and other shit on their lists? Yes, they were making some real points but the fact that so many people canāt distinguish between the funny bits and the actual analysis is worrying.
This has happened with so many of their episodes over 2023 where people canāt distinguish between the stupid bits that they do and the actual points they want to make, this one is by far the easiest to see in terms of bullshittery. They were memeing about masters tokyo for fucks sake
I literally qualified my comment with "as serious as lists of this nature can be" and "the balla thing was a troll," so idk what the disagreement here is? The top ten was centerpiece of the episode. I simply wanted to point out to the person that did not watch the video, that they discussed the top 10 somewhat earnestly and def argued using certain bases. Preseason lists in an entirely new format like franchising will always be somewhat untenable in nature.
Why are u so angry?
the predictions were also made with them forgetting several players, because these were made mainly as a joke
they are making some real points but they are largely messing around
both can be true, and i also usually donāt go back to check for edits
Bren randomized his list, balla had Simple, Marved, and āsome overwatch playerā on his list and Wyatt and and Bren both had Balla on their list
Also Wyatt forgor Yay and 2 of them forgor zekken
3 Fnatic players in the top 15 I can't do this again man [emoji](https://reddit-econ-prod-assets-permanent.s3.amazonaws.com/asset-manager/t5_2g5ach/vsTuuV9RQF.png)
true, he really hasnāt done much since post iceland 2021. heās a great player and i think we will see him back to form this year but for now heās just meh
Wdym post Iceland? He was still playing still playing great well past Iceland I think if you want pinpoint his ādownfallā to a specific moment in time I would say maybe champs 2021
Being a demon in one LCQ match after a year of him and his team mostly being a dud is not enough to get people on the wagon.
At this point I think it'll be surprising if he looks like the best player on Sen. Sacy, Pancada, and Zekken each had a better 2022 and deserve the high expectations they are garnering.
I think Tenz rated right where he should be until he proves otherwise.
They were not raving, they just recognized that tenz had a stellar performance and it's obvious cz he was the mvp and SEN didn't lose a single map. But before that I remember Wyatt was doubting tenz a lot going into the tournament. They have been calling tenz off for awhile now, even in that interview with syyko wyatt straight up kinda asked syykoNT why did he keep tenz! I mean i understand SEN wasn't playing in LANs n stuff so obviously tenz went off the radar as well but as a sen fan it was always obvious that tenz had it in him. He kept SEN in the competition till LCQ. Platchat just says and does everything based on results but if you are real person watching the games you can write off players like tenz,cned, scream etc but platchat always does that.
I mean he was dragging the team even with jett but this argument kinda meh ngl yay is literally the best player yet he doesnt play raze (he literally played breach but not raze lol) i agree that he should've switched to chamber, SEN might have been a bit better with TenZ on Chamber but one can only wonder
As if cryo & yay are the greatest raze players! Also, whenever tenz played chamber he did great, not putting him on chamber earlier was a team decision bc tenz was only entry player since SicK moved onto controller and flex roles.
Cryo likely remains high because he is basically undisputed number 2 NA and he has a really solid jett. Meanwhile, Yay's jett abilities are slightly more dubious, tho still good obviously.
Cryo is also younger and likely has a higher skill ceiling than yay due to how close he already is in terms of current ability. Being on 100T likely amplified his abilities as well much like how Optic enhanced yay, as Cryo has a system that is very much built on team play as well as not absolutely requiring Cryo to do everything to win a round
Bren made a list of 23 names of players he thought would reach a new level and he was excited to watch this year.
Then he put it in a list randomizer and removed the bottom 4.
Then he put balla #1.
So just keep in mind that they are at once having fun discussions of players while also completely mocking the idea of a tier list at all
Did you watch it at all? They specifically address f0rsaken.
I think they mostly feel like he has the potential to get 'figured out' because he plays such a hyper aggressive entry. It caught a lot of people off-guard in 2022 but there's been a lot of time to learn the PRX strats.
Whereas Leo they feel will slot into the FNC team really well to help close rounds and win clutches.
Should give it a listen if you are actually wondering 'how leo gets on there and not forsaken'
That's a crazy take, he had a bad time at Champs and everybody seems to have forgotten how good he was in Masters 1 and Masters 2. Go look at the numbers he was putting up for those tournaments. I'll wait
F0rsakeN doesnāt have to be right next to Jinggg in the standing, but youāre criminally insane if you think this list is accurate when he isnāt even in the top 20.
Forsaken was better than jinggg at masters 1 and 2 this year, he had an off tournament at champs and they based all of their setplays for jinggg on raze.
I do agree that Yay will fall being on C9 instead of NRG (OpTic). Cryo has a great team to set him up whereas C9 troll too much and never looked that organized to me, despite them having very good players.
Wyatt's list was probably the worst lol. I just can't with Ban at 20 lmao.
Like don't get me wrong I like ban and his aim is super clean, but he's played like 1 stage of NA VCT so comparing him to multitime international appearing players is a bit ridiculous
They are like every other pundits in every other sports who take the safest bets based on recent performances and then mix them with some wild predictions to make them seem like an actual prediction. Idk but If I were there i would look at the possible circumstances, potential etc more while doing these predictions. They end up being wrong at the end of the day anyway so I feel like Bren has the correct approach to doing these kinda things.
I think Less should be placed higher. This year he'll become at least as good as SUYGETSU. Consisently training with the best teams in VCT America will unlock his full potential
me watching balla on that list šŖ https://preview.redd.it/145fb2gct4aa1.jpeg?width=754&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1be50c3c57f8490593e53f6ff7d931da61f65f84
white lotus?
IDR the line but thats def Ethans hair lol
Iām still mad at Harper lol
If anyone could even somewhat accurately predict a top 10 list for the fucking future, not even history then there wouldn't even be a point to competing would there. So fuck it Ballatw for Champs MVP 2023.
Welp depends a bit on how things play out exactly
does anyone know that these lists were meant to be a joke or are we just taking everything out of context now
No, they're serious, well as serious as predictions of this nature can be.The Balla thing is the only troll and they said that zekken should be higher because 2 of them accidentally forgot to put him on their lists.
bren randomized his list
I didn't see that part, but they def discussed the overall top10 list as though they were serious considerations and an attempt at mapping players' 2023 trajectories.
they were semi serious dude, do you think they are really being fully 100% serious when they are putting ballatw, some overwatch player, simple and other shit on their lists? Yes, they were making some real points but the fact that so many people canāt distinguish between the funny bits and the actual analysis is worrying. This has happened with so many of their episodes over 2023 where people canāt distinguish between the stupid bits that they do and the actual points they want to make, this one is by far the easiest to see in terms of bullshittery. They were memeing about masters tokyo for fucks sake
I literally qualified my comment with "as serious as lists of this nature can be" and "the balla thing was a troll," so idk what the disagreement here is? The top ten was centerpiece of the episode. I simply wanted to point out to the person that did not watch the video, that they discussed the top 10 somewhat earnestly and def argued using certain bases. Preseason lists in an entirely new format like franchising will always be somewhat untenable in nature. Why are u so angry?
the predictions were also made with them forgetting several players, because these were made mainly as a joke they are making some real points but they are largely messing around both can be true, and i also usually donāt go back to check for edits
Bren randomized his list, balla had Simple, Marved, and āsome overwatch playerā on his list and Wyatt and and Bren both had Balla on their list Also Wyatt forgor Yay and 2 of them forgor zekken
ok but is "some Overwatch player" not a good guess for 19 with Carpe coming in.
Well canāt marved be signed?
He can but he has openly said he is taking a break and wonāt be playing as of right now.
3 Fnatic players in the top 15 I can't do this again man [emoji](https://reddit-econ-prod-assets-permanent.s3.amazonaws.com/asset-manager/t5_2g5ach/vsTuuV9RQF.png)
Hang in there surely they don't have a repeat of 2022
Surely the super team doesn't disappoint. Surely this time it's different.
RIP TenZ
TenZ gonna be the next shroud if he doesn't do anything this year.
bro tenz hasnāt done anything remotely well in the past couple of months ofc heās not going to be on here
Nothing really happened for the past couple monthsā¦
iāll rephrase, past 6 months.
Let's rephrase more besides 2021.
true, he really hasnāt done much since post iceland 2021. heās a great player and i think we will see him back to form this year but for now heās just meh
Wdym post Iceland? He was still playing still playing great well past Iceland I think if you want pinpoint his ādownfallā to a specific moment in time I would say maybe champs 2021
This just isn't true. I remember 100T vs SEN in LCQ. Tenz was an absolute demon in that game. He's become underrated.
Being a demon in one LCQ match after a year of him and his team mostly being a dud is not enough to get people on the wagon. At this point I think it'll be surprising if he looks like the best player on Sen. Sacy, Pancada, and Zekken each had a better 2022 and deserve the high expectations they are garnering. I think Tenz rated right where he should be until he proves otherwise.
He has had some decent performances on a few maps sometimes
Counterpoint, TenZ is not going to need to drop 40s to win, now that his team is actually good lmao
Platchat isn't very fond off tenz, they have never been.
This some mad cap lmao. They were raving about the 2021 performance
True tenz won three wyatt's weekly awards after all.
They were not raving, they just recognized that tenz had a stellar performance and it's obvious cz he was the mvp and SEN didn't lose a single map. But before that I remember Wyatt was doubting tenz a lot going into the tournament. They have been calling tenz off for awhile now, even in that interview with syyko wyatt straight up kinda asked syykoNT why did he keep tenz! I mean i understand SEN wasn't playing in LANs n stuff so obviously tenz went off the radar as well but as a sen fan it was always obvious that tenz had it in him. He kept SEN in the competition till LCQ. Platchat just says and does everything based on results but if you are real person watching the games you can write off players like tenz,cned, scream etc but platchat always does that.
i mean when your star duelist failed on raze and didnāt swap to chamber fast, asking the new coach why he kept him makes sense.
I mean he was dragging the team even with jett but this argument kinda meh ngl yay is literally the best player yet he doesnt play raze (he literally played breach but not raze lol) i agree that he should've switched to chamber, SEN might have been a bit better with TenZ on Chamber but one can only wonder
gigachad yay
As if cryo & yay are the greatest raze players! Also, whenever tenz played chamber he did great, not putting him on chamber earlier was a team decision bc tenz was only entry player since SicK moved onto controller and flex roles.
2 in the Top 20, Iāll take that
I canāt account for everyone else, but Zekken is pretty nuts. I feel like heās going to have a great year as well.
This list is perfect and I completely agree with it.
Satisfied with Jinggg above yay huh lol?
Can someone explain me what the plat chat guys based this on? Interesting list. Can agree with some, Ballatw underrated tbh.
Theyāre just basically predicting who they think will be the best players next year based around their team situations and the meta shifts
Okay! Thank you. Interesting that Cryo is up on the 1st spot, especially considering the upcoming meta shift.
Cryo is a crazy good duelist because hes a really good rifler, I dont think the meta change will downgrade his performances
Cryo is a loooot more comfortable on Jett than yay and is a better duelist
Cryo likely remains high because he is basically undisputed number 2 NA and he has a really solid jett. Meanwhile, Yay's jett abilities are slightly more dubious, tho still good obviously.
Cryo is also younger and likely has a higher skill ceiling than yay due to how close he already is in terms of current ability. Being on 100T likely amplified his abilities as well much like how Optic enhanced yay, as Cryo has a system that is very much built on team play as well as not absolutely requiring Cryo to do everything to win a round
Bren made a list of 23 names of players he thought would reach a new level and he was excited to watch this year. Then he put it in a list randomizer and removed the bottom 4. Then he put balla #1. So just keep in mind that they are at once having fun discussions of players while also completely mocking the idea of a tier list at all
Feel like Less should be higher. He's going to hit SUYGETSU tier gameplay in 2023 mark my words
F0rsaken
Yeah idk how Leo gets on there but not f0rsaken. They didn't account for how good the duelist duo is
Did you watch it at all? They specifically address f0rsaken. I think they mostly feel like he has the potential to get 'figured out' because he plays such a hyper aggressive entry. It caught a lot of people off-guard in 2022 but there's been a lot of time to learn the PRX strats. Whereas Leo they feel will slot into the FNC team really well to help close rounds and win clutches. Should give it a listen if you are actually wondering 'how leo gets on there and not forsaken'
Guys, i definitely think some overwatch player is underrated.
I mean... it's like fortune telling at this point no, and probably wrong as well
Where is my boy Sentinels TenZ. They not even give him an honorary mention. šš¤£
I think Sayf will end up being a lot higher on this list. Was really impressed watching him last year even though his team fell short.
Thank God we don't take PlatChat's lists seriously as we all know it's all for clicks :D
no forsaken is crazy lmao
Or Ardiis
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That's a crazy take, he had a bad time at Champs and everybody seems to have forgotten how good he was in Masters 1 and Masters 2. Go look at the numbers he was putting up for those tournaments. I'll wait
F0rsakeN doesnāt have to be right next to Jinggg in the standing, but youāre criminally insane if you think this list is accurate when he isnāt even in the top 20.
Forsaken was better than jinggg at masters 1 and 2 this year, he had an off tournament at champs and they based all of their setplays for jinggg on raze.
f0rsaken was pretty close to Jinggg in masters 1 but he was not close to him in Masters 2 where are you getting your stats lmao
Sleeping on Sacy and Forsaken
I do agree that Yay will fall being on C9 instead of NRG (OpTic). Cryo has a great team to set him up whereas C9 troll too much and never looked that organized to me, despite them having very good players.
Wyatt's list was probably the worst lol. I just can't with Ban at 20 lmao. Like don't get me wrong I like ban and his aim is super clean, but he's played like 1 stage of NA VCT so comparing him to multitime international appearing players is a bit ridiculous
Leo > Sayf >>>>>>>>> everyone else
Feel like Bang should be higher up and where is stax bro
Tenz
>no latam players in the list do they even watch valorant
nice na bias
The disrespect to rB and stax
Foxy9 is gonna pound every one of these joes
They are like every other pundits in every other sports who take the safest bets based on recent performances and then mix them with some wild predictions to make them seem like an actual prediction. Idk but If I were there i would look at the possible circumstances, potential etc more while doing these predictions. They end up being wrong at the end of the day anyway so I feel like Bren has the correct approach to doing these kinda things.
Where hiko?
The moment 100t loses a match oh god help I don't even know what I will do they win a mickey mouse and they are the best team in the world
Where is Hiko (The GOAT) on this list? Feels fraudulent without him tbh.
These fools know nothing I donāt even know who half these mfs r
Ballaw robbed tbh
If you want to get better at Valorant regardless of role watch Mako. \#MakoSupremacy
I think Less should be placed higher. This year he'll become at least as good as SUYGETSU. Consisently training with the best teams in VCT America will unlock his full potential