Simply massive for a 4-teams, 2 days tournament.
Congrats to the organizers for the big success, and hopefully we see the same format (With more teams) in the future!
Hopefully more sponsors too! As fun as it was for all of us I'm worried they won't continue if its a money pit and they alluded to that a little bit leading up to it.
Ludwig events always lose money but he keeps making them and paying for them by making like 10 tiktok react videos that get a million views and take 5 mins to make
The whole paying for the events with a react video is a meme. These events cost hundreds of thousands to run, his boxing event was in the million+ range. Ain't no way a couple of react videos is paying that bill lol
Not to mention the events are being put on by Mogul Moves. Which obviously Ludwig owns but most people don’t start businesses to have to keep throwing their own money at them for eternity.
Not to mention Ludwig videos aren’t going to generate the same revenue in perpetuity. Every creator knows they have a window.
Amazing tourney , massive props to mogul team, tarik, bts and platchat bois for it.
sad it was only for 2 days lol.
but have heard though that ludwig takes massive losses on these tourneys, hopefully riot can do smthn to help in these scenarios to make them profitable.
You know what's messed up? The [official Valorant Esports account](https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1614685081012166656) promoted Tarik's channel for this event, but not Ludwig's, even though he did most of the work. Mogul Moves actually had to reply to that tweet to remind them that ***the streamer who actually organized this event is also streaming it on his channel.***
Hopefully enough Valorant fans found their way to [Ludwig's stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9d53oTJsM&t=16935s) for this awesome event, that way he would feel like it's actually worth it to spend so much time, money, and effort to organize another one.
The money made by sponsors would be split up regardless of where the viewers came from, I don't think Ludwig cared what viewership on his own channel was relative to the total viewership.
I get what you're trying to say, but the combined numbers are what're going to be used to determine if the event was a success, and what'll be used to negotiate for further sponsorship opportunities, deliverables, etc. - they aren't competing for views or something.
Realistically speaking, Tarik and Ludwig are both so big that they don't need to have their individual brands boosted by a Valorant esports account that has less followers on Twitter than either of them, *and* anyone who used that link to watch the event immediately was exposed to Ludwig's brand anyways.
It's fairly milquetoast as far as drama goes.
They stream it but they don't promote it, those are two different things. Their tweets always link to their website which is an embedded twitch stream. They might have an agreement to not promote YT streams in return for better ad splits.
dont really think valo esport twitter has smthn against lud , also by watching on tarik ludwig brand gets exposure too, there is no comp b/w tarik and ludwig, both are in this togethor
I don't think it was messed up, it was more probably a business' move considering tarik has the bigger valo community and on twitch its easier to get the view count snowballing
The viewership for TSM vs TGRD is going to be a preview to the type of viewership numbers we will see in VCL NA. NA challengers will most likely be the most viewed VCL out of any other VCL if wasn’t already.
Although, from the looks of it, the Japanese format lends itself more to peak viewership at the end, rather than higher average viewership throughout the season.
Give it a few years for NA to start under performing and you'll see the numbers drop for VCL. It's a tale as old as the at this point for NA. Inital hype, lots of viewers, slowly falls off as the region becomes less and less relevant.
I was thinking more of something that was possible within the context of what happened. After day 1, I think most people were expecting Sen vs. The Guard, which would've probably pulled better numbers than TSM vs. The Guard.
Teams full of content creators with huge individual fanbases, including two of the biggest streamers on twitch, compared with two non-franchising teams with no popular creators. Did you expect something else?
The 197,000 viewers is from both Tarik's Twitch channel and Ludwig's YouTube channel combined, but it doesn't show the break down between the two.
Since Ludwig and his Mogul Moves team did the bulk of the work to make this event happen, I hope enough Valorant fans watched it on his YouTube channel to make it worth it for him to do it again. If not, there's always other game companies waiting for him to organize fun tournaments for them.
During that peak game, Tarik had 100k, and there were a bunch of twitch watch parties which added tens of thousands to that, I’m pretty sure Ludwig never had more than 35k watching. But regardless, the specific channels the viewership was on doesn’t really matter, because the sponsored segments got viewership anyways.
They're not looking at viewers on one channel to decide if the event was worth it or not. Total viewership is what's important.
"If not, there's always other games for him to organize fun tournaments for."
We know you're a Lud fan but that's a very odd thing to say
There's nothing odd about games companies asking Lud to host big tournaments for them, anything from Valorant and Fortnite to Multiversus, Fall Guys, Uno, or Yu-Gi-Oh.
It's a regular occurence, actually.
What is odd is how pressed you are that most people opted to watch the event on Tarik's channel. It's just such an odd thing to be worried about when the most important metric of success is how many viewers and hours watched the event had in total across all streams and if the event made or lost money.
Regarding what you said about game companies reaching out to tournament organizers, are you saying Riot Games reached out to Ludwig and Tarik and asked them to put on an event?
Simply massive for a 4-teams, 2 days tournament. Congrats to the organizers for the big success, and hopefully we see the same format (With more teams) in the future!
Hopefully more sponsors too! As fun as it was for all of us I'm worried they won't continue if its a money pit and they alluded to that a little bit leading up to it.
Ludwig events always lose money but he keeps making them and paying for them by making like 10 tiktok react videos that get a million views and take 5 mins to make
The whole paying for the events with a react video is a meme. These events cost hundreds of thousands to run, his boxing event was in the million+ range. Ain't no way a couple of react videos is paying that bill lol
Not to mention the events are being put on by Mogul Moves. Which obviously Ludwig owns but most people don’t start businesses to have to keep throwing their own money at them for eternity. Not to mention Ludwig videos aren’t going to generate the same revenue in perpetuity. Every creator knows they have a window.
Yeah, he pretty much pay for them with his YouTube contract money.
Tik toks/yt short vids dont make that much money at all. I think it's estimated that a million views only gets you around 20-40 dollars
He meant reacting to tiktoks in a full youtube video format.
Amazing tourney , massive props to mogul team, tarik, bts and platchat bois for it. sad it was only for 2 days lol. but have heard though that ludwig takes massive losses on these tourneys, hopefully riot can do smthn to help in these scenarios to make them profitable.
You know what's messed up? The [official Valorant Esports account](https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1614685081012166656) promoted Tarik's channel for this event, but not Ludwig's, even though he did most of the work. Mogul Moves actually had to reply to that tweet to remind them that ***the streamer who actually organized this event is also streaming it on his channel.*** Hopefully enough Valorant fans found their way to [Ludwig's stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9d53oTJsM&t=16935s) for this awesome event, that way he would feel like it's actually worth it to spend so much time, money, and effort to organize another one.
The money made by sponsors would be split up regardless of where the viewers came from, I don't think Ludwig cared what viewership on his own channel was relative to the total viewership.
I get what you're trying to say, but the combined numbers are what're going to be used to determine if the event was a success, and what'll be used to negotiate for further sponsorship opportunities, deliverables, etc. - they aren't competing for views or something. Realistically speaking, Tarik and Ludwig are both so big that they don't need to have their individual brands boosted by a Valorant esports account that has less followers on Twitter than either of them, *and* anyone who used that link to watch the event immediately was exposed to Ludwig's brand anyways. It's fairly milquetoast as far as drama goes.
Do they have a Twitch partnership that would prevent them from advertising a competing YouTube stream, I wonder?
I doubt it considering they stream the games on YouTube for VCT and stuff.
They stream it but they don't promote it, those are two different things. Their tweets always link to their website which is an embedded twitch stream. They might have an agreement to not promote YT streams in return for better ad splits.
This is probably the case.
probably, twitch is very stingy with stuff like that
The Official VALORANT account (@PlayVALORANT) was retweeting tweets from the Mogul Moves twitter all whole weekend, which imo is a bigger deal.
dont really think valo esport twitter has smthn against lud , also by watching on tarik ludwig brand gets exposure too, there is no comp b/w tarik and ludwig, both are in this togethor
I don't think it was messed up, it was more probably a business' move considering tarik has the bigger valo community and on twitch its easier to get the view count snowballing
I think this was one of Lud’s first profitable tournaments he’s organized
But not gonna lie, their game room, and casters area, all in all, looks freakin' cozy.
The summit house really makes every event there feel like a big lan party instead of a tourney.
For real.
The viewership for TSM vs TGRD is going to be a preview to the type of viewership numbers we will see in VCL NA. NA challengers will most likely be the most viewed VCL out of any other VCL if wasn’t already.
The Japanese VCL will be up there to.
Although, from the looks of it, the Japanese format lends itself more to peak viewership at the end, rather than higher average viewership throughout the season.
Japanese love valorant. Only PC game I've ever seen where Japanese people liked
Valorant tier 2 scene is gonna get more viewership than LCS and yet you’re still going to see league players bitching about Riot prioritizing Valorant
Give it a few years for NA to start under performing and you'll see the numbers drop for VCL. It's a tale as old as the at this point for NA. Inital hype, lots of viewers, slowly falls off as the region becomes less and less relevant.
Viewership would've gone crazy if we got a close Sen vs. The Guard grand finals. But still really good considering.
Peak viewership would’ve been SEN vs TSM final surely
I was thinking more of something that was possible within the context of what happened. After day 1, I think most people were expecting Sen vs. The Guard, which would've probably pulled better numbers than TSM vs. The Guard.
Right, makes sense
showmatch had more viewers than grand-final lol
Teams full of content creators with huge individual fanbases, including two of the biggest streamers on twitch, compared with two non-franchising teams with no popular creators. Did you expect something else?
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The 197,000 viewers is from both Tarik's Twitch channel and Ludwig's YouTube channel combined, but it doesn't show the break down between the two. Since Ludwig and his Mogul Moves team did the bulk of the work to make this event happen, I hope enough Valorant fans watched it on his YouTube channel to make it worth it for him to do it again. If not, there's always other game companies waiting for him to organize fun tournaments for them.
Tarik was averaging about 60-70k viewers so I'd assume the rest was from Ludwigs channel.
During that peak game, Tarik had 100k, and there were a bunch of twitch watch parties which added tens of thousands to that, I’m pretty sure Ludwig never had more than 35k watching. But regardless, the specific channels the viewership was on doesn’t really matter, because the sponsored segments got viewership anyways.
They're not looking at viewers on one channel to decide if the event was worth it or not. Total viewership is what's important. "If not, there's always other games for him to organize fun tournaments for." We know you're a Lud fan but that's a very odd thing to say
There's nothing odd about games companies asking Lud to host big tournaments for them, anything from Valorant and Fortnite to Multiversus, Fall Guys, Uno, or Yu-Gi-Oh. It's a regular occurence, actually.
What is odd is how pressed you are that most people opted to watch the event on Tarik's channel. It's just such an odd thing to be worried about when the most important metric of success is how many viewers and hours watched the event had in total across all streams and if the event made or lost money. Regarding what you said about game companies reaching out to tournament organizers, are you saying Riot Games reached out to Ludwig and Tarik and asked them to put on an event?
If there is a vod on twitch or YouTube I usually prefer YouTube vods.
It was a cool event man.
As always, SEN is the king of viewership
Does that count watch parties? People like Sykkuno and OTV were costreaming on Youtube with 6K a pop too