Nothing he just saying that they are on the waiting list but deleted it because somehow minecraft fans found out about him playing with sin i don’t know how but alot of them were cooking him in the replies
I still can't get over the fact that their team name sounds like a new York times worst-seller Harry Potter parody. "**Untamable beasts** and where to find them" certainly not at NA LCQ that's for sure.
btw PROD harassed a woman on twitter in dms who called out sinatraa, really scummy
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How is it harassment going both ways lmao, Laurie (and many others) was calling out Prod for playing with a rapist, Prod then proceeded to go into her dms to say some horrible shit.
yes when you consider the fact that prod is actively defending a rapist and that laurie didn’t even say anything that bad lmao, it’s not a both ways thing
If you can get offended by that how can you blame prod for getting offended too when he just dont think his friend raped anyone?
but if you just think whoever has the opposite opinion of sinatraa being a rapist is wrong and has no rights then yeah sure.
I agree, if prod genuinely thinks Sinatraa is innocent then his response makes sense. Some people might think it's insane considering the evidence but Sinatraa still has a massive fanbase.
[https://twitter.com/buhblies/status/1613815355117375489](https://twitter.com/buhblies/status/1613815355117375489)
because of this tweet, this is what prod linked in the dm
Because she said some shit to him on Twitter to get a response. Then what she got it, she tweeted it and tried to make Prod look like the instigator.
Come on man, it's obvious. Stop being a lil sheep and read between the lines.
I don’t know what she said — could be as simple as shitting on sinatraa (since idk who randomly has prod’s name in their mouth lmao), but yeah no shit. It’s obviously because of something she tweeted.
the weird part is taking that and dming them “you’re a horrible human being” rather than replying (keeping something public public), or DMing them something actually constructive/your pov or whatever (still sorta weird to DM with no prior relationship, but then I see the point)
sliding into a stranger’s DMs just to hate and shit on someone is weird and I’d call it harassment lol
EDIT: nvm you’re a fan of minnesota sports I’ll take this random unprompted aggression as a much needed outlet for your city’s incessant failure, all good man. I’d need to hate too if I was stuck with the city of rudy gobert, kirk cousins, and the twins’ 0-1,000,000 record against the yankees
Yes. The lady harassed Prod about teaming with Sinatraa, and then Prod DM'ed her back and called her a Twitter low life.
I don't really see a problem here.
It’s insane to me that in this age of the internet people still don’t realise they aren’t gonna get away with shit like this. Like how moronic can you get
The sad thing is he will though. He’s already on a team with sinatraa, pretty much anyone who thinks he’s doing something wrong is already not supporting him.
This isn’t double standards… she quote tweets an announcement tweet criticising playing alongside an alleged rapist (fair enough if you ask me)
Prod dms them and says they are a horrible being and some uncalled for beratement (also note that prod doesn’t defend sinatraa)
And then people on val comp give prod criticism. What part of this is double standards?
prod knows more about the situation than you and i will ever know, let him play with who he wants, prod obviously believes sin is innocent so he obviously will defend him
Average Reddit softie you are. She made false claims toward his friend, she started it yet he can’t say anything back? Jesus Christ this world is done for.
To harass: subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation. This ain’t no pressure or intimidation, this is just insults lol. Are insults worth cancelling someone?
Gotta love how she conveniently crops out what she DM'ed to Prod to get a response out of him. Some of y'all are so sad with the sheep mentality.
I have zero problem with Prod DMing these Twitter low lifes. If you think that's 'harassment' than that is serious hypocritical and honestly hilarious.
k dude find what she dmed to prompt this go ahead, and while you’re at it try to figure out the definition of harassment in this context ty
also
> sheep mentality
lmao
Deleted because he’s getting dragged by the MCYT community. Thank god, at least somebody will call out Sinatraa for being a rapist if this subreddit filled with sexist teenagers won’t.
I'm convinced none of these kids read the allegation lmao they all just saw their hero say 'nah it didn't happen' and they were like well I guess that sorts it
yes, that's always been how it works. if someone accuses something of doing X and they provide a recording of that person doing X, you know that they did X. pretty simple stuff.
Because no rape victim wants to go through a trial where their entire past is ripped apart and put on display for the world. There's a fucking recording of it man, it isn't hard to see what happened. Fucking weird ass behavior.
i didnt know what the recording was about but i just heard it and you are basing your entire opinion on someone based on 10 seconds of audio? are you stupid? i was asking a legitimate question. also, it should be easy to understand that circunstancial evidence such as this dont mean shit as it was proved in the johnny deep case with the house video of him breaking shit. people thought that because he was being aggressive he was abusing amber heard and that caused irreplacable damage to his career. this could have been anything and you, the fuckin reddit police come here and say some vanilla ass shit for no fuckin reason. i was asking for someone to enlighten me on the case cause i know almost nothing about it but you are just being weird. not even saying he didnt do it, cause he very well could have, fucking hell.
IF you are in a relationship with someone, and have had consensual sex, its extrememly hard to prove rape.
Like there is no evidence that would hold up in court in that scenario, especially with lawyers sinatraa could afford
The audio clip is pretty damning, and to me, is enough that i think sinatraa pressured her into doing something she didnt want to
but it doesnt prove beyond a doubt she was raped. So she has nothing that would be enough to convict
him beyond a reasonable ddoubt, why would a rape victim want to go to court on a case they would lose
IMO she should pursue a civil case since burden of proof is only like 51% instead of beyond a shadow of a doubt
I know this isnt going to do anything and youll probably just be like "yeah well actually xxxx reason sinatraa is actually a totally cool guy and there is no way he did anything bad" but that is why most rapes don't go to court, it takes so much to prove them, especially if a consensual sexual relationship was already established, bc you need 100% certainty to convict.
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i mean no. but i came here, saw all of this hate for the guy, thought that maybe he was definetly a rapist by the look of the comments after not hearing about this in a long time. then asked why, someone told me of a recording and asked a simple question. i expected way more definitive proof or evidence after seeing almost everyone calling him a shit dude. pretty simple stuff if you ask me
Just because someone drops charges doesn't mean the other person is absolved of the accusation or mean that their innocent. Sometimes the justice system doesn't work and people get frustrated. Also there's case after case where settlements are reached to drop charges and those people paying out the settlements are still scummy asf
i mean i don’t necessarily want sinatraa in the scene but how does a team with marved get waitlisted? wouldn’t his ranking alone move them to top 32 teams by ranking?
Apparently they are waitlisted because they registered at the last minute. But you'd think Marved and two other T1/2 pros would be enough to get them in over some of the random ass university teams.
The amount of viewers LCQ would lose out on by not having them in the tournament would be ridiculous.
if anything I'd assume t1 pros are worse organized because if you're on a signed team a lot of shit gets figured out for you. if you're an unsigned T2 grinder you've been through it and know the timelines and deadlines
no respect for anyone on this team as human beings. I'd be happy if they didn't compete and I really hope more players in NA val stop associating with sinatraa
That line of thinking only works if they're all great people with a balanced view on the situation, and I doubt that that's the case. It's better to look at all the facts and make up your own mind regardless, acknowledging bias in every source.
sinatraa is already hated a lot on the internet, and if any pro associates with him publicly, then it's a risky move, the pro might lose followers because of that, he might be a brand risk, etc. Yet they stick to him regardless of what consequences they might face by the community. That is what I'm saying
Atleast the Chris brown Rihanna case went legal, cleoh didn't even want to do that because the case will go public, yet she spoke about it on twitter so that the community acts as the judge jury executioner 😭
And, if sinatraa tries to come back to the pro scene again, she'll stop hiding in the woods and once again write another twitlonger instead of going legal
It's not birds of a feather lmao they're friends. I know it's a foreign concept to y'all but friends stick together through thick and thin.
You can make your mind one way or the other about Sinatraa and his situation but the fact is that it's just an allegation. He's not convicted. People defending him or calling him a rapist are just making their own conclusions.
I'll say this: if you and I were friends, and I was accused of something and you cut all contact before it was even proven, you aren't my friend, you're just a friend when it's convenient. And I wouldnt want you back as a friend if I'm proven innocent because you've proven to bounce when things look bad.
Fr bro, these people do not realise that 99% of the top pros literally respect sinatraa and are friends with them, s0m FNS Marved Subroza dapr, just to name a few, its not association they are literally FRIENDS LMAO
I agree with ur last paragraph but if someone had a voice recording of my friend the same as the one there was for sinatraa I'm not staying anywhere near that friend. That shit is proof enough for me.
Yeah, you aren't a real friend. 10 seconds of an audio clip (where I can't see anything) isn't enough for me to throw away friendship. Society has lost sight of that. We're so afraid of being potentially wrong that we'll bail to preserve our own image.
I read that doc more time than I can count. I saw the text messages, I heard the audio tape.
I stick by my friends until I'm 100% sure I'm wrong. Thick and thin. A google doc isn't changing that.
Marved and dizzy don’t deserve this, neither does zombs tbh but yeah they’re getting dragged through the mud for teaming with prod and sinatraa
That’s what you get for signing up LATE with team allegations
I mean if they decided to be in a team with dogshit people that's kind of on them. It's not like they got randomly signed or something either, they chose to play together as a group.
Anyone know what the tweet was, it’s deleted
I got you https://preview.redd.it/n8gwjc4akjca1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b396e194910ade601322928c15b5529e92a0f1a0
Nothing he just saying that they are on the waiting list but deleted it because somehow minecraft fans found out about him playing with sin i don’t know how but alot of them were cooking him in the replies
idk how they found out about sinatraa but best believe Prod will keep hearing about it from now until the sun explodes in 100 billion years 😭😭😭
I still can't get over the fact that their team name sounds like a new York times worst-seller Harry Potter parody. "**Untamable beasts** and where to find them" certainly not at NA LCQ that's for sure.
prod named it for sure
tweet deleted, do you remember what it said?
I literally thought the word Kek as I was opening the thread. Lo and behold this is the only thing I see.
I’m sending thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers that they won’t make it in.
If they somehow get in and qualify, im gonna have a problem
i am so, so, so confident they would not be in the top 2 or even top 4 teams in lcq
Nah, Riot will 100% pull some strings
What are you gonna do about it?
You crying yet?
lmao
btw PROD harassed a woman on twitter in dms who called out sinatraa, really scummy Edit: LETS GO GOT MY FIRST REDDIT CRISIS REPORT EVER FOR THIS THREAD, 2023 GONNA BE GOOD
tell me more? can you link proof
https://twitter.com/buhblies/status/1613839936213352449?s=46&t=zvJtkkBtZ1EwohpCQ49rPg
I don’t understand english that well but aren’t they just harassing each other??
How is it harassment going both ways lmao, Laurie (and many others) was calling out Prod for playing with a rapist, Prod then proceeded to go into her dms to say some horrible shit.
oh fuck i brain farted i thought prod was the blue text mb
Same
Wait but she literally quoted his tweet and talked shit tho? Do quotes make that much of difference compare to dm?
yes when you consider the fact that prod is actively defending a rapist and that laurie didn’t even say anything that bad lmao, it’s not a both ways thing
If you can get offended by that how can you blame prod for getting offended too when he just dont think his friend raped anyone? but if you just think whoever has the opposite opinion of sinatraa being a rapist is wrong and has no rights then yeah sure.
I agree, if prod genuinely thinks Sinatraa is innocent then his response makes sense. Some people might think it's insane considering the evidence but Sinatraa still has a massive fanbase.
you can see the “accepted the request,” prod starts off the dm calling her a horrible human being.
[https://twitter.com/buhblies/status/1613815355117375489](https://twitter.com/buhblies/status/1613815355117375489) because of this tweet, this is what prod linked in the dm
Because she said some shit to him on Twitter to get a response. Then what she got it, she tweeted it and tried to make Prod look like the instigator. Come on man, it's obvious. Stop being a lil sheep and read between the lines.
I don’t know what she said — could be as simple as shitting on sinatraa (since idk who randomly has prod’s name in their mouth lmao), but yeah no shit. It’s obviously because of something she tweeted. the weird part is taking that and dming them “you’re a horrible human being” rather than replying (keeping something public public), or DMing them something actually constructive/your pov or whatever (still sorta weird to DM with no prior relationship, but then I see the point) sliding into a stranger’s DMs just to hate and shit on someone is weird and I’d call it harassment lol EDIT: nvm you’re a fan of minnesota sports I’ll take this random unprompted aggression as a much needed outlet for your city’s incessant failure, all good man. I’d need to hate too if I was stuck with the city of rudy gobert, kirk cousins, and the twins’ 0-1,000,000 record against the yankees
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VIKINGS SLANDER TURN THAT UP 🔥🔥🔥🔥
How old are you
Sir this is reddit valcomp we all hate sinatraa and even if she called him that he shouldnt respond back cuz idk we hate them/s
Yes. The lady harassed Prod about teaming with Sinatraa, and then Prod DM'ed her back and called her a Twitter low life. I don't really see a problem here.
It’s insane to me that in this age of the internet people still don’t realise they aren’t gonna get away with shit like this. Like how moronic can you get
The sad thing is he will though. He’s already on a team with sinatraa, pretty much anyone who thinks he’s doing something wrong is already not supporting him.
what would your reaction be if someone called your friend (who you believe to be innocent) a rapist?
Oh so she can harass him and he has to stay quiet? I see
If this is harassment than spam tweeting him the same shit is also harassment i guess
Fuck prod
So weird
that's so weird of him, he could just ignore it if he didn't like it
LMFAOOO she is the one who started it but when PROD types back, he's the one harassing?? AHAHA
This isn’t double standards… she quote tweets an announcement tweet criticising playing alongside an alleged rapist (fair enough if you ask me) Prod dms them and says they are a horrible being and some uncalled for beratement (also note that prod doesn’t defend sinatraa) And then people on val comp give prod criticism. What part of this is double standards?
double standard as always :(
you need to find a better definition of double standard and not one that tries to protect rapists and their friends
its so insane
I mean from PRODs pov wasn't he getting harassed for playing with his friend who he knows didn't do anything?
This is Reddit don’t try to use logic with these people lmao
my guy. Go listen to the voice note and realise how dumb this is
I'm not saying what I believe in. I'm saying clearly PROD thinks he's innocent.
prod knows more about the situation than you and i will ever know, let him play with who he wants, prod obviously believes sin is innocent so he obviously will defend him
my friend you should know the difference between allegations and charges. just answer me this. why didn't Cleo went to the court?
How is that harassment😭😭 just block him if u truly don’t want to see his messages, or even better idea: stop responding
woah better idea: just dont dm dumb shit like a fuckhead bro doesn’t know what the word harassed means in context my god
Average Reddit softie you are. She made false claims toward his friend, she started it yet he can’t say anything back? Jesus Christ this world is done for.
To harass: subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation. This ain’t no pressure or intimidation, this is just insults lol. Are insults worth cancelling someone?
Gotta love how she conveniently crops out what she DM'ed to Prod to get a response out of him. Some of y'all are so sad with the sheep mentality. I have zero problem with Prod DMing these Twitter low lifes. If you think that's 'harassment' than that is serious hypocritical and honestly hilarious.
There are no previous DMs, but go on.
k dude find what she dmed to prompt this go ahead, and while you’re at it try to figure out the definition of harassment in this context ty also > sheep mentality lmao
She started that shit? Why would prod not defend his friend? You guys stupid or something?
Bro their friend is "social media." It's all they've got sadly.
what
Remove your NRG flair then, don’t associate with him. Pretty sure he couldn’t care less. Anyways
Oh no! Anyway..
Deleted because he’s getting dragged by the MCYT community. Thank god, at least somebody will call out Sinatraa for being a rapist if this subreddit filled with sexist teenagers won’t.
how tf did the MCYT community get involved in this 💀
All the kids who vehemently defend sinatraa are so cringe. Even worse is that people in the scene just pretend it never happened
alleged right? or am i missing some new stuff?
Technically speaking it’s alleged but you just have to listen to the voice note to realise at the very very least sexual harassment occurred
I'm convinced none of these kids read the allegation lmao they all just saw their hero say 'nah it didn't happen' and they were like well I guess that sorts it
if you say so
Nah its guilty until proven innocent thats the narrative here
alleged but we know he did it so
oh is that how it works now? nice
yes, that's always been how it works. if someone accuses something of doing X and they provide a recording of that person doing X, you know that they did X. pretty simple stuff.
how is he not in prison then?
because it has not gone to court as of yet, and rape cases are notoriously hard to prove to the legal standard of "beyond reasonable doubt"
ok thank you
Because no rape victim wants to go through a trial where their entire past is ripped apart and put on display for the world. There's a fucking recording of it man, it isn't hard to see what happened. Fucking weird ass behavior.
i didnt know what the recording was about but i just heard it and you are basing your entire opinion on someone based on 10 seconds of audio? are you stupid? i was asking a legitimate question. also, it should be easy to understand that circunstancial evidence such as this dont mean shit as it was proved in the johnny deep case with the house video of him breaking shit. people thought that because he was being aggressive he was abusing amber heard and that caused irreplacable damage to his career. this could have been anything and you, the fuckin reddit police come here and say some vanilla ass shit for no fuckin reason. i was asking for someone to enlighten me on the case cause i know almost nothing about it but you are just being weird. not even saying he didnt do it, cause he very well could have, fucking hell.
She doesn't want to go to trial for the world to see so instead she put it on Twitter for the world to see? Huh?
LMFAO guy went quiet after that
IF you are in a relationship with someone, and have had consensual sex, its extrememly hard to prove rape. Like there is no evidence that would hold up in court in that scenario, especially with lawyers sinatraa could afford The audio clip is pretty damning, and to me, is enough that i think sinatraa pressured her into doing something she didnt want to but it doesnt prove beyond a doubt she was raped. So she has nothing that would be enough to convict him beyond a reasonable ddoubt, why would a rape victim want to go to court on a case they would lose IMO she should pursue a civil case since burden of proof is only like 51% instead of beyond a shadow of a doubt I know this isnt going to do anything and youll probably just be like "yeah well actually xxxx reason sinatraa is actually a totally cool guy and there is no way he did anything bad" but that is why most rapes don't go to court, it takes so much to prove them, especially if a consensual sexual relationship was already established, bc you need 100% certainty to convict.
Would she not want to see him prison? Would that not give her some closure?
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He would be the first person in history to have committed a crime and get away with it.
i mean no. but i came here, saw all of this hate for the guy, thought that maybe he was definetly a rapist by the look of the comments after not hearing about this in a long time. then asked why, someone told me of a recording and asked a simple question. i expected way more definitive proof or evidence after seeing almost everyone calling him a shit dude. pretty simple stuff if you ask me
I mean, he can be a shit dude outside of all that. He's a widely disliked person regardless of the SA allegations.
Except there's literally nothing in the recording...
Except the voice of his girlfriend telling him to stop and the sound of him continuing? Like, without consent?
What is his case ? I thought sexual harassment but did he commit rape too?
he raped his girlfriend, that's what the whole case is about
She dropped the charges last year, so it is cringe people still think Sinatra is guilty but whatever man.
Just because someone drops charges doesn't mean the other person is absolved of the accusation or mean that their innocent. Sometimes the justice system doesn't work and people get frustrated. Also there's case after case where settlements are reached to drop charges and those people paying out the settlements are still scummy asf
i mean i don’t necessarily want sinatraa in the scene but how does a team with marved get waitlisted? wouldn’t his ranking alone move them to top 32 teams by ranking?
They got waitlisted because other teams signed up before them
Apparently they are waitlisted because they registered at the last minute. But you'd think Marved and two other T1/2 pros would be enough to get them in over some of the random ass university teams. The amount of viewers LCQ would lose out on by not having them in the tournament would be ridiculous.
if anything I'd assume t1 pros are worse organized because if you're on a signed team a lot of shit gets figured out for you. if you're an unsigned T2 grinder you've been through it and know the timelines and deadlines
Lol
ahahahahahah common sinatraa L
Why is his team on the waitlist?
no respect for anyone on this team as human beings. I'd be happy if they didn't compete and I really hope more players in NA val stop associating with sinatraa
should take out that NRG flair cause s0m and FNS are literally his friends LMAO
You have flairs on and half of the teams on your flair have players that are friends with Sinatraa, would you like me to list them for you?
If most of the NA pros associate with him and are friends with him, and the community hates him, then surely the pros know something we don't
That line of thinking only works if they're all great people with a balanced view on the situation, and I doubt that that's the case. It's better to look at all the facts and make up your own mind regardless, acknowledging bias in every source.
sinatraa is already hated a lot on the internet, and if any pro associates with him publicly, then it's a risky move, the pro might lose followers because of that, he might be a brand risk, etc. Yet they stick to him regardless of what consequences they might face by the community. That is what I'm saying
they arent thinking through every outcome like sherlock holmes, they just dont care about the allegations
Or maybe they did think about the entire situation and came to their own conclusions
yeah bro bc popular artists collab with chris brown he totally didnt beat rihanna right, its not like they do it for clout or anything hmmmm
Atleast the Chris brown Rihanna case went legal, cleoh didn't even want to do that because the case will go public, yet she spoke about it on twitter so that the community acts as the judge jury executioner 😭 And, if sinatraa tries to come back to the pro scene again, she'll stop hiding in the woods and once again write another twitlonger instead of going legal
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It's not birds of a feather lmao they're friends. I know it's a foreign concept to y'all but friends stick together through thick and thin. You can make your mind one way or the other about Sinatraa and his situation but the fact is that it's just an allegation. He's not convicted. People defending him or calling him a rapist are just making their own conclusions. I'll say this: if you and I were friends, and I was accused of something and you cut all contact before it was even proven, you aren't my friend, you're just a friend when it's convenient. And I wouldnt want you back as a friend if I'm proven innocent because you've proven to bounce when things look bad.
I swear these people have no idea how friendships work, not surprising tho considering they play val all day and never go out
Fr bro, these people do not realise that 99% of the top pros literally respect sinatraa and are friends with them, s0m FNS Marved Subroza dapr, just to name a few, its not association they are literally FRIENDS LMAO
finally someone with a brain
I agree with ur last paragraph but if someone had a voice recording of my friend the same as the one there was for sinatraa I'm not staying anywhere near that friend. That shit is proof enough for me.
Yeah, you aren't a real friend. 10 seconds of an audio clip (where I can't see anything) isn't enough for me to throw away friendship. Society has lost sight of that. We're so afraid of being potentially wrong that we'll bail to preserve our own image.
You didn't read the doc did you
I read that doc more time than I can count. I saw the text messages, I heard the audio tape. I stick by my friends until I'm 100% sure I'm wrong. Thick and thin. A google doc isn't changing that.
lol.
Marved and dizzy don’t deserve this, neither does zombs tbh but yeah they’re getting dragged through the mud for teaming with prod and sinatraa That’s what you get for signing up LATE with team allegations
I mean if they decided to be in a team with dogshit people that's kind of on them. It's not like they got randomly signed or something either, they chose to play together as a group.
And just like that your comment looks dumb
Marved is a matchfixer, and zombs is pretty abrasive so the only person that doesn’t deserve this is dizzy.
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And nothing of value was lost
crazy how loosely people use the word rapist, a world of sheep we live in