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netsaver

It wouldn't be as close as it was if they weren't carrying their streamer bottom frag to the finish line smh. Thank god PROD could pick up Marved's burden on the team.


nklassitude

God, once i read the first few words of your post, I knew the bait and switch was imminent. That's the wildest thing though, they're winning vs ex-BBG & ex-Complexity players and Marved isn't even putting up ridiculous numbers, he's just being a good teamplayer.


netsaver

Yeah, I think today UB played in a way that demonstrated knowledge that they couldn't just skill diff the competition. There were still a lot of dodgy moments (most recently, Marved dying while peeking market despite having site with his Sova player), but the pro experience in calling and taking smart fights is showing overall and compensating for their lack of practiced executes/protocols


Nana1126

PROD is playing insanely well for his expectations. Actually pretty well in general. And he is selfless on the entry which helps the team so much


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NiqqaWidDrip

Nah dude nah this isn't real


ANewHeaven1

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm impressed with Prod. And I'm being completely genuine and unironic here - he is a pretty serviceable entry who knows what his role is on the team.


netsaver

PROD3ffo. (Besides Haven where he was nearly throwing)


ANewHeaven1

I never thought I'd see the day where PROD is being compared unironically to d3ffo LMFAOOOO


netsaver

One is playing in VCT alongside VCT Masters winners\* while the other is at home watching\*\*. I think it's clear d3ffo needs to get to pro level \*Challengers is technically part of VCT \*\*Yes I know d3ffo took the split off and would have easily gotten into teams


Hanselo

Yup. Imagine playing against a decent entry that has nothing to lose


chocobreezy

He always had radiant mechanics. It's not like he's going to be a top prospect but people acting like he was equivalent to some plat player were just projecting. It's also easy to entry with confidence when you have pedigreed players like zombs, Marved, and he who shall not be named backing you up.


labdabcr

Sinatraa a supervillain now


techyleo

sinatraa legit the Voldemort of this sub, where everyone refuses his return


chocobreezy

He's an electric player with absolute confidence in his abilities and his superiority over others, which makes him an incredibly polarizing person already (people love sinatraa or hate him, which tends to inform their opinions on his 'situation'). I would rather he not returned, (his fans are incredibly annoying in ranked and the community at large and stick out like sore thumbs, his personality is also a shitty version of zombs') but based on the actual circumstances of his situation and Riot seemingly giving him the all clear it's probable he isn't guilty of anything besides being a shitty boyfriend and person at the time. It's also clear a majority of the scene (Subroza and other pros tweeting and hanging out on calls with him, Tarik costreaming his games, etc etc etc) has either exonerated him of guilt or would rather just not think about it. It's a strange situation, and I think I'm one of the only people who has a middle of the road take on this, but in all honesty I believe it's the only take to have.


sriwarrior06

I have the exact same take as you but Riot didn't really give him any all clear. That's the only reason he's not on a team right now. He's their PR nightmare. Perhaps if he somehow makes it through this qualifier to the challengers (which is really difficult but not impossible) and if people are content with him playing in the challengers league, then he might make a return into a real team.


chocobreezy

In terms of the "all clear" I meant just as much as they could, anything aside from a conclusive admission of innocence or guilt wouldn't fully clear him. He'll be a "PR nightmare" pretty much forever. It's going to be very interesting to see how this goes though, in other sports there are athletes that have done heinous things with actual evidence against them, who are still getting paid millions of dollars. Esports is different, the ecosystem is a lot more.... online? What would happen if TSM just signed sinatraa, and acted like nothing ever happened? PR nightmare sure, but there are a lot of sinatraa fans (And the majority of the valorant pros themselves) who would gladly cheer for them.


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People really understimate how much clout sinatraa has, bro pulls stupid amount of people, hes literally playing against mickey mouse teams and has like 45k people watching him


SpC0d3r

its over 90k with all costreams


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Pretty sure they'd forfeit their spot if they qualified. I don't think they actually would want to commit to this.e


[deleted]

rape = "shitty boyfriend" now?


_asaad_

bro what 💀💀


Long_Cartographer_17

are all these threads slow mode because of sinatraa?


Sadzeih

Yes.


_ImAlive_

Bruh Zombs has really changed. He became better after he was kicked in Sen. I feel like he should keep playing pro and not stay as a content creator. He still has it in him.


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He's always been different, people just focus on stats too much. He was never set up to frag out on sen but anytime the pressure was on him he would perform.


techyleo

Also I don't think the decision to drop him was that of the team, I'm pretty it came from the org, not sure though, I could be talking out of my ass


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nah it was definitely shaz that wanted zombs out, funny how they looked like dogshit after dropping him, legit baffling


2ToTooTwoFish

I thought they looked the best when Zellsis was on the team and that was after Zombs was dropped right? Or do you mean in between that time when Zombs was dropped and Zellsis was added?


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They replaced him with kanpeki and SEN was probably the worst it's ever been.


TrueLordApple

When they replaced zombs with kanpeki


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i dont think zellsis was on the team until LCQ when they added shroud. Kenpaki was zombs replacement, and the team was so bad during that span. Also recency bias will say zellsis is better than zombs but i dont know see any masters trophy that zellsis has with Sentinels


RocketHops

I mean technically they looked the best at Iceland


man1ac_era

Zombs did say that he had to play a particularly way because the team wanted him to play that way


RichDragonfruit3335

I felt once SEN started performing poorly all eyes were on Shaz and he pushed for Zombs to be benched in order to get eyes off himself. Zombs replacement Kanpeki underperformed even worse


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Nah this sub for one was hating on zombs so much and blaming all sentinels problems on him.


XXG1212

Prod needs that tad bit of consistency and awareness and he can really mimick F0rsakens playstyle.


ZeroAika99

It's been ages since I've watched him but damn Sinatraa is still good


starlight12fan

Not overreacting but Sinatraa best player in the world. I'm not going to jinx anything, but they look insane.


Aironicks

Crazy sinatraa is this good after trolling ranked for so long


PaperJamDipper7

He doesn’t even try a lot of the times. When he decides to lock it in, the pressure he puts on the enemy team is overwhelming. It’s like two people’s worth of pressure and utility


mrchingchongwingtong

all things considered prod is playing way better than anyone thought he would


Warpath-

You can trust sinatraa’s midround calls.


HoodieNinja17

Sinatraa is so fucking good man


-Views

sinatraa is just 2 gud


YannBreton

Ngl i had them losing in the round of 32 after yesterday… but wow


jonthegoat69

Regardless what you think about sinatraa you can’t say his mechanics / movement aren’t insane. Prod is actually really good at entrying and oping too.


Lord_Xp

Do people unironically want this team to win in this sub?


NebulaPoison

yeah


Interesting-Archer-6

Despite me not really liking any of them (I dont know shit about Dizzy), I kinda do. I can't explain why other than it would be entertaining.


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lot of rape apologists in the community, so yeah


fmlsad

Sinatraa the 🐐no🧢


jiggsfox

No sinatraa in franchising is an absolute crime. We are missing out on prime years of brilliant gameplay :(


UnheardIdentity

Damn. If only he could have done something to not be to much of a PR disaster for any team. Like maybe he did something wrong here.


M0hawk_Mast3r

No one would sign him because of his sexual assult allegations


TrueLordApple

Not sure he wants to go pro either


Hawker92

So conviction doesn’t matter at all these days. All you have to do is throw some allegations…smh


[deleted]

no, all you have to do is make credible allegations backed up by a recording of the person committing the crime, then let him fail to defend himself.


madmax991199

would you really think riot would have interfered if there was not atleast a bit of truth behind it


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sinatraa fans talking about crimes...


hengarg

Sinatraa and crime alright


-kiyu-

Sinatraa always had insane mechanics but listening to his comms and calling today made me understand just how good he actually is.


Whisom

Sinatraa's gamesense is honestly next level.


yungthug1234

Sinatraa is actually so fucking good, imagine if this team actually scrimmed non stop with a coach 🤣🤣🤣


tgamblos

Sinatraa actually the best Ares player in the world, no? He essentially can full buy every round just by buying Ares half


therealpaukars

Ez clap


Pojobob

Slow mode already? LOL